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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 26 2011 14:28 GMT
#401
Ugh, inactivity is going to kill this game as it's a majority lynch system but I'm as much to blame as anyone else.

I'm fairly certain Mafia is among those lying low unless everyone just lost interest in this game because they know in this setup it's very much favourable for Mafia if everyone just sits back and doesn't do anything.

For this point Ace's I-don't-care attitude in encouraging more inactivity rubs me the wrong way. Ace you're a renowned player, can you give some thoughts?

For now:

##Vote: Ace
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 26 2011 14:31 GMT
#402
And if you're Town, please start posting. I will do so myself now as well.

I got no pressure at all (no one even mentioned me actually) even though I was the hammer on DR and I've been MIA almost the entire game (sorry guys). For Mafia it would be ridiculously easy to no post their way to victory while the active players argue with each other all day.
wat
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
July 26 2011 15:20 GMT
#403
Where is RedFF and Palmer They havn't posted much on D2 at all the last time RedFF posted was to accuse me after I called him scum and the last time palmer said anything was before that and votes for Pyo.


My most likely mafia right now are RedFF, Palmer, and aprudds. I still don't think anyone has made a real case vs Ace that is better than any of these three people. I think right now the best case is against aprudds so to recap.
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2011 11:32 Sevryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:32 aprudds wrote:
And yes VisceraEyes, it does look like your making stuff up and putting them in people's mouths. It's quite annoying actually, and it hasn't even happened to me yet.

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?


Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.

Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered.

Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him.

Tunnels VE for like 3 posts straight
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On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:
Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. Stuff like
i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok?

Makes me cry and laugh at the same time. You really seem to like waving your penis around eh?

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 22 2011 10:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.

I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.

I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.

I will post some reads soon.


I like your style of flexing your over 9000 games played. With that many games your reads must be super awesome as well!

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.

FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.

You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.

I like Ace's posts.


Some deep reasoning there. I guess your scumdar is just that good from all those games you played........


+ Show Spoiler +

On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
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On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.

FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.

You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.

I like Ace's posts.



All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me.

What benefit does town get from lynching a random person?


I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience.

I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.



Or not..... I guess your scumdar is pretty terrible then.


Put that penis down, your not the best player in the world and acting like it is just making you look like a fool. Your pride and indecisiveness is just going to get you hanged.

Than this post which really put me against DR.
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On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:
On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid.

Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it.

same kind of thing attacking DR without attacking his arguments.

##unvote
##vote aprudds
I would prefer to see aprudds lynched today but ace is a good target aswell



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On July 26 2011 07:16 Pyo wrote:
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On July 26 2011 00:13 Sevryn wrote:
Looking at Pyo's posts i think he is either scum or super lazy he has a large amount of useless posts and the abstaining from voting.
Ace seems to me to have come into this game with the attitude that town is boned and its all just a barrel of laughs which makes me think there is a good chance he is scum.
because there isn't that much to read off of Pyo im going to vote ace for now.


##Vote Ace


Yeah, I guess I have been kind of lazy. Seeing town jump on a bandwagon like that day 1 was certainly demoralizing. I've also kind of bummed myself out of Arkham Asylum too. But I'll start contributing:

If you look back at how the DR bandwagon developed, it all started with this post by Jacinto:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10420934
I thought this was a perfectly reasonable "get the ball rolling" attack on DR. The case was weak, mostly just non-commital play. I figured DR would just brush it off and the case would be dropped, and I thought DR's post was perfectly reasonable:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10429554

Palmar next throws in a few jabs at DR (typical in-your-face Palmar play), but he seems more occupied with RedFF, and even threw out a jab at me as well.

VisceraEyes next jumps in:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430096
This vote almost feels like VE is reacting to the fact that he doesn't like DR for agreeing with/not being against Ace's plan. I'm not convinced that this is particularly scummy in that it feels a little too committal toward a brewing bandwagon.

The next thing to crop up which really got the ball rolling was this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430660
Here aprudds throws out an ad-hom attack on DR. This is eerily reminiscent of how he managed to start a bandwagon against Freeloader in mafia XL. (For those that don't know, after role PMs went out, Freeloader asked whether mafia could PM each other despite the "no PMs" rule. aprudds brought this up as a scum slip and had the whole town distracted by it for all of day 1.) In this post aprudds is painting DR as an unlikable guy, sort of needlessly needling him/trolling him into acting scummier. And he continues to do it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430971
However, appruds doesn't vote for DR right away. It really feels like aprudds is riling up the town making them dislike DR while not really committing to him. It is only after Palmar also votes for DR that you finally cast your vote. To me that seems really scummy and manipulative, just like he played in mafia XL.

##vote: aprudds




##Vote aprudds


What happened to me thinking VE is scum you say? I think hes just a misguided townie who needs to reread why he thinks Ace is scum and I don't actually think hes scum anymore when I don't actually have a better scum read on him than RedFF, Palmer, and aprudds.

Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 26 2011 15:36 GMT
#404
Trotske, what is your suspicion about redFF? And why Palmar?
wat
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 26 2011 16:00 GMT
#405
Trotske, what is your opinion on Ace?
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
July 26 2011 16:08 GMT
#406
On July 26 2011 00:32 Trotske wrote:
someone else I have had my eye on is RedFF simply because His posts havn't been helpful at all.
here he posts an img saying that the vote on DR was a bandwagon which might be true
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 24 2011 01:01 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 00:40 Trotske wrote:
DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.

Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"

From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.

If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.

##vote DragonReborn422

[image loading]


Two posts later he votes for DR.




Is one reason I am getting a scummy feel from redFF another is that Most of his few posts havn't really been helpful in anyway or are just one liners without backing anything up.

Palmer Is more of a he hasnt been around much on D2 TBH I don't have much of a case on him he just feels scummy to me so I thought I would get some pressure on him.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
July 26 2011 16:09 GMT
#407
My opinion of Ace is he is playing pretty dumb for town or scum so I think there are better people to lynch.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 26 2011 16:13 GMT
#408
You don't get a scummy feel from me or Ace or any of the other people who haven't been around on day 2? Why Palmar in particular?
wat
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
July 26 2011 16:24 GMT
#409
Palmer is my 3rd pick I havn't really, made much of a case against him, as to why not Ace or you When ace has posted and its not to bitch and moan he stated his reasons for what he was doing which seems townie to me and you while you havn't posted much but when you do post you atleast give reasons to your votes and such even if they arent very good ones TBH your tied with VE for being kinda suspsious but not really doign anythign I could act on.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
July 26 2011 16:56 GMT
#410
Aprudds do you have a case on ace? I saw you posting earlier how you were trying to get him to post but besides his inactivity which I agree is scummy do you have a case?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 17:33:11
July 26 2011 17:10 GMT
#411
Day 2 vote count


Ace (4)
VisceraEyes
Sevryn
aprudds
Fortress Fortune
Curu

Pyo (1)
Palmar

trotske (1)
redFF

aprudds (3)
Pyo
Servyn
Trotske

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch! Ace is leading the vote with 4 votes but does not yet have a majority! Approximately 5 hours remain in the day and 1 person has yet to vote.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
July 26 2011 17:13 GMT
#412
shouldn't it be five hours?
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
July 26 2011 17:14 GMT
#413
and isn't Ace the only one not to vote?

Am I missing something?
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
July 26 2011 17:16 GMT
#414
I want to ask the people who aren't voting for aprudds to look at the cases for the other people and then compare it to the case for aprudds if they really think there are any other cases stronger than his. If you think that is true please post why you think that so other people can see your thinking.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 26 2011 17:33 GMT
#415
Yeah, I forgot to change it.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 26 2011 17:51 GMT
#416
I think the best course today is no lynch because of inactivity and Mafia can inevitably sway any lynch their way right now with no majority yet and only a few hours before deadline. I apologize again guys, I'm as much to blame as much as anyone.

Let's make sure we have a much more productive next day.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 26 2011 17:51 GMT
#417
Oh and
##Unvote

Unless we can get a consensus in these 5 hours.
wat
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 26 2011 18:28 GMT
#418
Remember that voting is still mandatory, you may not abstain ^_^
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 26 2011 18:34 GMT
#419
Oh right well

##Vote: Curu

I'd like to pursue Ace tomorrow if he still doesn't show up but I don't want to let Mafia get him lynched while we're all inactive.
wat
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 26 2011 18:41 GMT
#420
On July 27 2011 03:34 Curu wrote:
Oh right well

##Vote: Curu

I'd like to pursue Ace tomorrow if he still doesn't show up but I don't want to let Mafia get him lynched while we're all inactive.


It takes 6 votes to lynch, so even if you didn't change your vote, he still wouldn't get lynched.
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