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On June 30 2011 06:57 iGrok wrote: Just for the record, I am nuking GMarshal first, because he is the CONSPIRATOR Looks like I've been caught ##Nuke: iGrok My counter batteries await your retaliation. I have formed a coalition with three other people who will retaliate on your allies if any dare target me. Bring it bro, I'm not afraid of nuclear warfare! | ||
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On June 30 2011 07:10 iGrok wrote: AHA! You have fallen into my trap! ##Hack: Gmarshal Watch, as your Nuclear Missiles REVERSE COURSE and destroy your entire country! Hahaha, I made you expend your hack! It was only a cruise missile! No damage would have been done. (well except for the retaliatory strikes I expected everyone would launch. Those would have hurt someone, I'm sure ^_^) | ||
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Too many real life concerns atm to focus on mafia. I may or may not rejoin depending on how this weekend turns out. | ||
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Lets wait till tomorrow at least. Forgot about something -___- | ||
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Probably. /in Worst comes to worst I nuke someone and get killed in retaliation or something ^_^ | ||
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On July 05 2011 07:18 Palmar wrote: I can't have you waiting like this /in Oh, well then. ##Nuke: Palmar My work here is done. (seriously, I'm considering the possibility of starting the game with nuclear war. For giggles) | ||
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I say we can hit the radiation cap by night 1. | ||
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On July 05 2011 10:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Required Reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction Don't worry, no one else will have the guts to nuke ME (in before getting nuked 5 minutes into the game) | ||
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Just as I'm getting ready to go to sleep too. I guess I'll sit here and f5 until I get my role and *then* go to sleep | ||
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Mutually Assured Destruction: Why we are not "nuking scum until they glow" ![[image loading]](http://sazal.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/john_f_kennedy-749600.jpg) There is a shiny little counter that counts the radiation level as we shoot and causes everyone to LOSE if we shoot wily nilly, furthermore a free shooting environment encourages people to fire at will, which will only result in one thing, many many innocent townies glowing as a result of bad reads. This is exactly what the mafia needs, and what I will not allow. Firing protocol is as following, no one, and I mean no one fires without at least a majority (50%) of the town consenting to it by posting I agree to the nuke of Playername when we have 50% agreement, the person who posted the motion fires at the designated target, and boom. This serves two purposes. 1.) it means nukes have to be discussed, rather than the disaster that was WaW1 with people firing at will and scum laughing 2.) It limits the number of nukes and avoids retaliation + a rising counter. To enforce this policy, anyone who fires a nuke with out consent will be immediately counter-nuked, by anyone who is around, we must not allow ourselves to fall into chaos. Furthermore, we will all agree to nuking confirmed liars, confirmed scum and lurkers, if there is someone who is lying we will all agree to the nuke with no hesitation. Lets not let the mafia pull a caller this game, ok? That is all. Yours faithfully JFK | ||
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On July 05 2011 13:27 sandroba wrote: @GM your enforcement of the policy leads to exactly the scenario you are planning to avoid with your policy. This voting you are proposing, while nice is never going to happen. Just don't fucking nuke until we have good info to analyse. Save your nukes today. Don,t fucking counter nuke before considering very hard if the player who is nuking you is scum. I'm going to make it crystal clear. If anyone fires a nuke without consent he is getting nuked. Period, and no one is going to nuke me for it, because its a logical policy. We will not have the nukefest that was WaW. Some people only understand death threats, well this is one. No one is firing with out town consent. | ||
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On July 05 2011 13:37 Coagulation wrote: I have Nukes. Alot of them. Scum are going be nuked excessively as long as im alive. Also your death threats are meaningless to me. I am Un nukable. Anything you send at me will only rain on my neighbors. Thats ok. Thats what lynches are for! Hello Mr. Conspirator! | ||
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Palmar, go read Bang Bang mafia, and both of callers games where everyone had guns before deciding that "everyone using their discretion is good" townies are by definition stupid and are going to end up shooting each other because "he is scum, my gut says so" followed by "oops he flipped DT, oh well he was being scummy" followed by "oh no, now someone else is nuking me, because I nuked the dt". Towns are stupid, work on that assumption when planning. | ||
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Don't fire counternukes unless nukes are aimed at obviously pro-town players. Why? Because counter-nukes are all that is stopping an axis victory near the endgame, as if we use up all our counternukes and the axis hold on to some, then as soon as the numbers are close to even, (say 8 vs 4) and the daily lynches have exhausted our nuclear arsenal, they will just win by nuking 4 people and shooting down counternukes, so, if you have the ability to shoot down nukes and a nuke is shot at a somewhat scummy player, even thought the shooter will have to die for his crimes, consider letting his nuke land. Obviously if its aimed at a pro-town player then shoot the nuke down, but otherwise it might not be a terrible idea to let it land. | ||
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On July 05 2011 20:44 Palmar wrote: I want the option to be there. As I've said, if it's a terrible shot, we'll stop it. And for the most part, the discussion will be focused on the lynch. I don't agree, can we now drop it, as it certainly looks like no one is going to be firing their missiles like retards and we're shitting up the thread? In general terms, working as a team is the better options, but we don't know who's leading that team, there needs to be induvidual thought. But as I said, I have much less problems with the plan you've proposed than GM's original one which was basically: "Let's nuke the fuck out of everyone who lurks, and everyone who nukes too" That really bothered me. But I'll agree to disagree if you will. Fun fact, my plan was based on mutually assured destruction, which historically works  Also, nuking lurkers is just like lynching lurkers, it obviously requires town agreement, you don't just nuke random people. I don't see what bothers you about my plan, its a way to control nuclear weaponry, and ensure scum are dissuaded from ever firing. | ||
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On July 05 2011 20:49 Palmar wrote: Final words on the whole discussion. I'll pretend to go with your plan at the moment, as I'm a non-factor in it anyway. I sure as hell hope that people have the balls to nuke later in the game before a mafia infested town council leads us to hell. /sigh much like the "mafia infested" town controls the lynches too, right? Thats the beauty of the thing, we are all voting for who to nuke. I propose one amendment though sand, lets not force ourselves to shoot, make it a majority vote. 50% of the town has to agree or its a no nuke, to avoid the "everyone votes for someone different" syndrome. It also means people have to be persuasive and someone can't get stupidly killed just because 4 people are derping. | ||
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On July 05 2011 21:18 sandroba wrote: @GM I don't agree with majority. It requires people to be very active and with the 24hr deadline I think we will end up no lynches most of that time and that fails to abuse the mechanics of this game. We can derive usefull information from a non majority lynch regardless, so I don't think it matters. Majority lynch benefits mafia more than town imo. @curu since who will be nuking does not matter we can change it to have people volunteering, but that also has its problems. Also observe that many scum players as well as blue roles have 0 nukes, so mafia killing the players that declare no nukes, while having a better chance to hit blues, also throws more suspicion the mafia among them. Works kinda like the zodiac list. Forcing ourselves to nuke is only going to end up with more dead townies, and it forces activity. We should 100% not be forcing ourselves to use nukes, that only helps the conspirator. I'd rather no nuke than have us do a really tentative lynch with like 3 people voting for the person, as that will probably not provide any useful information and likely end up with a dead townie. I really think majority lynch is the way to go with this one. | ||
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On July 05 2011 21:29 sandroba wrote: Also we are nuking just once a day, how does this help the conspirator? Over time we end up accumulating radiation, the number is "high" but I expect the mafia will try to go out with a bang when nuked, and I suspect there are more nukes than counter nukes, the more we nuke the more we help the conspirator. Especially if the end game is decided by nuclear Armageddon (which it might). Basically I want us to be able to not nuke if we can't all agree on a target, even with no-nukes we get information from interactions, who chose not to hammer, vote-switches, and interactions, and by requiring majority we make sure its a consensual decision, rather than a vocal minority controlling the nuke. Plus by making it majority we force everyone who wants to get someone nuked to be really active about it, which generates *tons* of information. | ||
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On July 05 2011 22:00 Palmar wrote: This is correct  And as I said, I don't have any nukes. Anyway, I still don't agree with the plan. All the mafia has to do is to not lurk and they will be able to sway the nuke votes in the wrong direction. We already have to deal with this problem for the lynch, so why the added reliance on outspoken players? Here's an alternative, since you guys like policies. a) Don't nuke unless you're sure. b) when you nuke, you must provide detailed reasoning of why you nuked c) If deemed satisfying, we proceed normally, if not, we lynch you. This is in effect the same thing you're suggesting sandroba, it just leaves a little wiggle room for independent thought. Except this is what is really going to happen a.) Town player A comes up with the crappiest argument in existence of why player b is scum. b.)Town shoots him down and tells him not to shoot, etc, Player A is 100% convinced though and shoots anyway c.) Player B rages and sends out retaliatory nukes, counternukes go out. d.) Player B flips green in a pile of rubble, with who knows how many others being killed in the process e.) furious lynch mob kills player A, who also flips green. f.) Rage from the previous days carries over, more nukes flying about. g.) mafia giggles. If everyone has a say in whether or not the nukes are used, and its clearly established that its the will of the town (by a MAJORITY), then player B if he is town won't counternuke, player A will never fire in the first place, and catastrophes will be averted. | ||
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On July 05 2011 22:03 sandroba wrote: @Palmar LOL? If that's so any game is auto won by mafia if all they have to do is not lurk and sway the votes. How do you propose we win the game if not by lynching scum. I'm tired of arguing with you, because you are either scum or conspirator, so from now on I'll ignore your post till I can lynch you. I already have all the info I need to prove that you are not town aligned. Don't be stupid, just because he has a different viewpoint doesn't mean he is scum. Remember bad plans =/= scum? I'm pretty sure he is just pushing a bad idea because he thinks its good, not as part of some scum agenda. | ||
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On July 05 2011 22:08 chaos13 wrote: Don't try to be a hero. Not only have you already stated you have no nukes, making this worthless and not about to help anything, but it's the night phase and you can't even use actions. If you don't agree with his plan, don't follow it. Simple as that. So far I'm seeing ten pages of "herp" "derp" "herp" "derp". I don't agree with any of the plans that have been proposed, and people didn't agree with what I suggested in lieu of them. All this arguing is doing is giving scum and conspirators a barrier to hide behind, and I can guarantee you that the conspirator(s) are somewhere in this discussion trying to influence our nuke policies. Have we done any scumhunting so far? No. So here's the deal. Come day 1, absolutely no more discussion about nuke policy. If we haven't decided on anything by then, too bad, but at that point we start scumhunting. This means that if you have a plan that you want put into effect, you need to be persuasive. If you have a plan, outline it as follows. (Your Name)'s Plan for Not Letting the Conspirator Win Nuke Policy Fire/Don't Fire under the following circumstances: Punishment This is what happens if you break the rules: Why Explanation for why this is the best plan: Support How does this plan compare to WaW 1? How could it have affected the results of that game? Other Tidbits Anything else you want to say. ##Vote: (Your Name)'s Plan And people will vote on your plan. The goal for these plans will be to have 12/29 players vote for them. This is relatively close to a majority, and is achievable for anyone. If we're getting close to the end of day and no plan is close to achieving it, you'll have to consider moving your vote to a different one. If no plan results in 12/29 votes, we don't follow through with it. If we do, every player is required to follow it, and if you do not, you are lynched. A plan must follow the format as outlined above in order to be eligible for voting. Now stop derping and get stuff done. Im pretty sure theres only like 3 hours to game start. Anyway we are using the sandroba plan with majority vote unless someone (other than Palmar) objects strenuously. GMrobas's Plan for Not Letting the Conspirator Win Nuke Policy One nuke is shot per day, if a majority of players (50%) agrees to it. no other nukes are fired for any reason Punishment Policy lynched, no excuses allowed, you fire, you die. Why double lynch, increased information, decent use of kp, no need to fire if its not necessary/an appropriate target cannot be deiced upon Support Its not a clusterfuck Other Tidbits Hi coag. ##Vote: GMroba's plan | ||
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On July 05 2011 22:20 sandroba wrote: @chaos13 as you can see my plan is extremelly pro-town and is gaining momentum. Now is the perfect time to discuss plans since the game has not even started. Most reasonable people are agreeing with it and others are trying to shut it down for no sane reason. If you don't agree with it you better provide some reason. We will not leave it to be discussed day1 when we have to focus on who to lynch. Also if you think I haven't done scum hunting so far you are in for a surprise. Just agree to the majority lynch part of it, trust me. There's a reason why in games with double lynch the town doesn't always use them all up by the end of the game, there aren't always clear targets, we need an option for no nuking, and by having a majority lynch system we ensure we don't go through with stupid lynches. | ||
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On July 05 2011 22:23 sandroba wrote: @GM can we agree to reduce that to 40%? Considering 20% of people will most likely lurk this is going to be the majority of the active. I don't want us wasting an oportunity to lynch because players were not active enough. That's a nice compromise on my part and if you are reasonable you will agree =). Im not content with it, but compromise is acceptable I suppose. 40% it is, although higher vote still wins, e.g. if I have 55% of the votes and you have 45% only I am getting nuked. This is the minimum threshold to be able to nuke, ok? | ||
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On July 05 2011 22:33 sandroba wrote: 24 hours is plenty of time. 2 well thought out lynches>1 any kind of lynch. Radiation is not going to be a problem as I've argued extensively already. Radiation could be a huge problem, which is why I want us to be able to no lynch as we move into later into the game. | ||
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On July 05 2011 22:45 Palmar wrote: I'm reserving the "nuke only if town is being led astray" thing for pros and great analysts. And my plan clearly said: "No retaliatory nukes", any retaliatory nuke is auto lynch. I think you are way overestimating the towns ability. People like to tunnel, and won't hesitate to nuke if they think you sanction it/they are right. That's why we need a voting system, so people know that if they fire a nuke without town consent, EVEN IF they hit red, they are still dying. We aren't going to ignore great analysis, if someone can come up with a great analysis chances are we are going to follow it, agree with him and nuke, what I'm afraid of is the "leading the town astray" part. Look at what happened to BC in PTP, you can be extremely pro-town, and all it takes is one misguided townie thinking you are leading the town astray to get rid of a town asset. I'm working off the assumption that my allies are all stupid and my enemies are all brilliant, its the only way to play reasonably. Plus how do you judge who is "pro" enough to shoot? What happens if a "pro" misfires? Its not a good idea, and it generates no information, as we aren't forcing people to make up their minds on nukes, since they have no control on how another player uses the nuke. We need a voting system, its the only way to make *everyone* accountable for deaths. | ||
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On July 05 2011 22:49 Palmar wrote: This is a great point, I hadn't thought of that. Like, this point is actually so good that I'm retracting everything I've said. Despite concerns of independence, allowing people to explain their roles is even more important if they're up for a lynch. Fuck me... Oh, no we are not going through *this*. In WaW1 caller had a series of insane roleclaims that won him the game by people letting him survive. In this game IGNORE all roleclaims. Pretend they didn't happen, as they can be easily faked and they really don't provide us with much information. I will ignore all claimants, as there could be mafia cops, and mafia doctors and who knows what the hell else, roles =/= alignment and we will NOT allow people to squeak by by claiming. | ||
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On July 05 2011 23:02 syllogism wrote: Gmarshal: at least early on some role claims can be somewhat trusted because "Each Faction has a gimmick in the name of their players" and mafia may not be able to convincingly fake them. After some flips things get murkier I'm not banking on that, nor should you. I've seen too many people confirmed by information that "only townies should have" and then later seen them flip red to trust that. We should all agree, right now, that we will ignore claims, before we get the famous I am Israel/japan the insane cop whose checks got bussed. (yes this *happened* and he got away with it). I am 100% distrusting claims, and so should everyone. | ||
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On July 05 2011 23:07 Palmar wrote: I never trust claims, I just figure out what part of them I can use to my advantage I was going to bring up the "lets let drazek live" deal, but you know what, i'm not going to argue little things ^_^ I will ignore all claims, plain and simple, if you are on the chopping block and claim medic, don't expect mercy. In bold so everyone can see it role is not related to alignment one more time, for the sake of repetition. Role is not related to alignment, role-claims mean nothing With that tangent done. Palmar, I take it you support the GMroba plan now? | ||
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On July 05 2011 23:09 sandroba wrote: Stop being silly and read what I posted. Not every game we have 2 lynches per night cycle. I also didn't claim town would win 100% of the time under those circumstances, I said it's extremelly town favored and town should win most of the time given the same skill. I disagree. Town usually sucks at hitting scum, double lynch is situational, which is why we implemented the threshold system. Remember double lynch means LYLO comes much faster. We shouldn't be afraid to double lynch, nor should we shy away from not nuking if the situation doesn't call for it, there is no reason why we *have* to lynch if we don't have a decent target. | ||
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On July 06 2011 01:46 youngminii wrote: i was about to nuke gmarshal i want to nuke something please let me nuke someone Once we elect the nuke target, we can let you nuke it I suppose... | ||
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On July 06 2011 02:04 Palmar wrote: I actually have far more belief in this playerbase. As you can see on my crusade against the "only nuke when it's agreed upon" idea. But yes, I really don't think we have to worry too much about random nuking in this game. With that in mind, I'm going to go completely against what I usually suggest and just throw this out there: Assumptions: a) too many nukes and we lose b) nukes become more accurate late-game Conclusion: Should we perhaps just... not nuke today? Sandroba's plan assumes the nuke is a double lynch, which is perfectly fine, but this is also a double lynch on a timer, one that ticks every time we nuke, and we can assume that every time a mafia is up against the wall he will nuke everything he can. So, how about it, I say we just ignore the nukes, for now. Actually I agree with this, day 1 lynches are hard enough as is, lets not make it a 24 hour day 1 lynch on top of that, theres a reason why games with double lynches wait till day 2 before they can be activated. As far as the campaigns go, I think the nuke destroying one is best, we want to cut down the enemy's arsenal, again a lategame scenario scum are working towards is one where the town is out of anti-nukes and low on nukes and the mafia holds enough nuclear weapons to obliterate the town. The extra lives only apply to "Boreritish commanders" which I doubt is all of us. Plus I'm much more scared of nuclear Armageddon than I am of night kills. | ||
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On July 06 2011 02:17 syllogism wrote: Even if there are only 2 or 3 boreritish commanders, it still looks better than the alternatives. Destroying 3 nukes is pretty nice, but mafia likely can't use nukes until mid to late-game and it's quite possible for them to die without using all their nukes. Moreover, nukes can be shot down And medics can protect at night. Anti-nukes are our only salvation against a doomsday operation on the part of the axis powers, we cannot afford to waste them, reducing the number of nukes is essential to doing this. Assuming the scum team is 6 people, and assuming 1.5 nukes per person, they have around 9 nukes, destroying 3 is taking out one third of their capacity to launch a major nuclear strike. Lets cripple the bastards. | ||
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... where did that number come from? | ||
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On July 06 2011 02:22 syllogism wrote: Extra lives work against nukes as well, no? No. A nuke wipes you from the face of the earth. Night kills are like invasions, and extra lives are additional troops/fortifications. Nukes don't give a damn if you have a mechanized division instead of cavalry, its still going to kill you. | ||
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On July 06 2011 02:25 deconduo wrote: 5 Allied teams, 29 players. Three seems like a safe lower limit to pick. Fair enough, I was just curious ^_^ | ||
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On July 06 2011 03:24 Caller wrote: false. extra lives count against missiles launched. it will be expended if the missile is a real nuke OR a dud. Well in this case I think veteran lives are best, I was off the mark on this one, but thats almost as good as three anti-nukes in the case of a doomsday operation, assuming the vets are still alive. | ||
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On July 06 2011 08:33 JeeJee wrote: Well, let's see, lurker-wise I'm looking at Mataza One post, out of nowhere suggesting existence of weird nukes. To me this stands out because it's such a strange thing to think about, unless you of course have special nukes. Later confirmed by Caller that "not all nukes are created equal", so weird nukes may indeed exist. No other posts. Would townies have special nukes -.^? ##Vote:Mataza That is really, really wifom, sure townies might have special nukes, pressuring him for lurking is fine and dandy (I'll even vote for it). but the possibility of having "special nukes" is not cause for killing anyone remember role =/= alignment. That said, lets pile the death threats on, see if that causes some chatter ##Vote: Mataza | ||
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you never lynch the most vocal players day 1, as theres a more than even chance they are town, if they are really vocal and scum then by day 2 their true colors will probably be apparent. | ||
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Alignment is irrelevant, this is a policy lynch, in fact, if the nuke phase isn't over I request permission to counternuke so that our lynch can actually generate information. | ||
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On July 06 2011 19:14 syllogism wrote: So with the options being lynching a scummy player (Palmar) and policy lynching a likely townie (ask yourself, is mafia ever going to be doing that on day 1 after we we had agreed to policy lynch anyone for it), why are so many of you going for the latter Policy is policy for a reason. if we write off every random nuke as "oh, scum would NEVER do that" the then mafia is going to nuke to blend in. We are shutting down that option, now. | ||
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On July 06 2011 19:20 syllogism wrote: Are you going to lynch him even if the nuke didn't go off due to the nuclear phase being over He had the intent to nuke. Yes. Yes we are. | ||
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On July 06 2011 19:22 syllogism wrote: The focus on killing Conspirator is misguided. Killing him brings us no closer to winning the game and does not allow us to use nukes freely. It's possible he has some anti-town powers, but we'll likely know that soon enough Im not trying to kill the conspirator. I don't give a damn if he lives or dies as long as we keep from random nuking. I'm enforcing a policy that the majority of the town has agreed to in order to keep order and avoid random nukes. That is all. | ||
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I call upon All Townies to halt and eliminate this clandestine, reckless, and provocative threat to world peace and to stable relations between our nations. I call upon you all further to join in an historic effort to end the perilous arms race and to transform the history of man. You have an opportunity now to move the world back from the abyss of destruction by refraining from any action which will widen or deepen the present crisis, and then by participating in a search for peaceful and permanent solutions. Our goal is not the victory of might, but the vindication of right; not peace at the expense of freedom, but both peace and freedom, here in this hemisphere, and, we hope, around the world. God willing, that goal will be achieved. That is all | ||
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On July 06 2011 20:39 syllogism wrote: Anyone wanting to lynch a townie is scum. The ones voting to lynch Mataza better believe there's at least a decent chance of him flipping red Nope, I belive he'll flip green. I'm still killing him for breaking the established policies. I don't give a damn what you think of me as a result, but I will NOT allow this town to fall into "I nuke cause I'm town, lol!" | ||
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On July 06 2011 20:41 prplhz wrote: Also, GMarshal, did you get any PMs from Caller when the nuke landed on you or something? No PM's from Caller or ON as of yet, why? | ||
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On July 06 2011 20:49 prplhz wrote: Because a nuke landed on you. Yeah, I'm aware, I wanted to know why you were asking | ||
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On July 06 2011 21:11 Mataza wrote: I don´t have the time to read the last 3 pages, but i am sick of the word policy already. I am sorry for interrupting your World at Conference Mafia, but I wanted play WAW Mafia 2. This is supposed to be awesome, not boring. I stand with my missile and I did fire a missile, I guarantee that. What´s on it you will see. Also if there is a conspirator he will be unable to nuke someone, logically. His aim is to get others nuking, not to do all the work himself. Just like Mafia are usually a minority on who to lynch. I regret nothing. Screw policies. Then thats your way of playing. I'm playing to win.A nuke scorched wasteland does not bring me any closer to winning, so I'm not going to allow you or anyone to encourage one. | ||
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On July 06 2011 21:15 prplhz wrote: What the hell is awesome about ruining everything for everybody? Either you're a douchebag or you're a terrorist with no place in this game or in any game. In the latter case, get the fuck out. If you don't want/have time to read the game then you shouldn't be in it anyway. I hope you get modkilled so we save a lynch. If there is any undiclosed reason for your lunacy that you can't reveal, then it better be really good. Calm down man, he just fired a nuke for "fun". No need to rage, we just deal with it as we decided. Play nice, no need to rage and create bad feelings. | ||
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See you in hell Mataza. | ||
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On July 06 2011 22:25 syllogism wrote: The name claim order can be randomized or in order of scumness. Obviously the more claims we get, the easier it is to lie Yes, lets oust all the power roles. I think mass claiming is a terrible idea, scum won't have that hard a time lying, and its just going to let the mafia figure out who the best targets are. | ||
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On July 06 2011 23:44 syllogism wrote: I agree on GMarshal, for the reasons you stated and due to his initial choice of campaign and the reasoning behind it. It seemed to me there was initially some coordinated effort to get use to go for that campaign, though perhaps that's too daring. If Palmar flips red, I will definitely be pushing to get GMarshal lynched, barring some new information pointing to other direction Yep, I'm scum because I thought extra lives didn't apply to nukes, great catch. You realize you are FoSing pretty much every vocal player out there, right? The people that talk can be worrisome, sure, but right now we have to worry about those who aren't talking. If you think i'm scum I welcome any case you may have, otherwise don't just say "is scum for wanting to destroy mafia nukes" that seems to make little sense. | ||
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On July 07 2011 00:08 TheAwesomeAll wrote: I know your active lurking and very defensive by know, but more interesting stuff has happened than what syllo said about you, what are your thoughts on the situation? Lynch or nuke ? Anti or dead sandy? chaos13? I prefer a nuke, but the town seems deadset on a lynch, and I want to avoid Mataza launching retaliatory strikes, so I suppose the lynch is the way to go, although we should start discussing tomorrow's nuke/lynch target. Anti or dead, I think that whoever is holding the anti-nuke should make that decision. Do they think that sand is town enough to expend what might be our only insurance against doomsday? I think its a judgment call on whoever has it, if they have many and are likely to be night killed soon, then yes shoot away, if they have almost none and are immune to night kills, well then perhaps holding on to it is better. Chaos13 seems to me to be doing what he did in RTM, I like how he wants to keep discussion focused. Want more from him though I hardly call what I'm doing active lurking, I'm just not as active as usual. I did warn you guys early on (pregame) NOT to apply meta to me this game, I'm trying something completely different, again if you think I'm scum point to why, not to meta. | ||
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On July 07 2011 00:13 Mataza wrote: If you were a bit more well versed in certain history facts of a certain nation you could actually deduce my alignment by my roleplaying. I am still in here for the fun. If I don´t have fun while winning, why do I even bother signing up? I don´t. It may be less effective but it is definitely more enjoyable. I prefer going down laughing then winning sadly. How any of my actions make me conspirator is beyond me. If anything, it would show I suck as conspirator, which I think should be pretty damn hard. I showed that I fired a missile and even if I didn´t say what is in it or not in it, no one suddenly went in and fired his nukes at some else. The nuclear holocaust you are fearing is not gonna happen. Actually, retaliatory nukes by townies against townies will only happen if you are uptight enough to take a lynch as personal insult and get worked up over that. Relax and everything´s gonna be alright. You should trust Bob Marley on that. he is a much wiser man than me. You can have fun without violating international law you know? Hell if you had waited till day 3 or so I'm sure we'd have some kind of triggering event or a couple tunneling townies triggering WWIII. You could have been part of the chaos and watched me sob as the town broke down into chaos. Instead you had to fire a nuke with next to no reasoning, and not leaving it up for town discussion first. | ||
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On July 07 2011 00:23 Palmar wrote: is mataza soft-claiming that his nuke is either a dud or something completely different? I guess we'll find out when it lands, won't we? Unless someone shoots it down that is. | ||
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On July 07 2011 00:28 ~OpZ~ wrote: I would post, but I've been....Indisposed. Something came up that I've been waiting FOREVER for. When I planned to get on and actually be focused I got a phone call from the one....and she was like "I'm in town" and I was like "OMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGMOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGMG" in my head and replied "That's cool." So....Turning her back into "The One" became priority number one, when priority number one should of been nailing the bitch. I didn't expect that at all though. And I'm sorry for my inactivity, but it is what it is...I just want to be happy with my red head before she goes back to Middle Georgia (probably today, considering she was "gonna leave last night" before she called me, but the repeated hints of "well my classes are all online this semester so I don't NEED to go back) Wish me luck?. Best of luck then man! ^_^ See you in about 24(?) hours. | ||
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We all agree Mataza needs to be killed. We can nuke him and use the lynch on someone else, so lets have a vote, if I can get 15 people to agree in time we nuke Mataza, otherwise we lynch. So vote in the following way I vote to nuke Mataza | ||
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On July 07 2011 00:33 TheAwesomeAll wrote: wait there is a SK? Thats nowhere in the op, if thats a slip it is the most obvious one ive ever seen. I think he's talking about the conspirator. | ||
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I know where my vote is going now. Seriously I know its hard to grasp this but hold your fire. Do NOT fire your shiny nukes without town agreement. I know its exciting to have a huge nuclear arsenal but firing it off is not helping things. Sit on the goddamn things, we are moving towards world destruction/town chaos, that is a BAD thing, lets avoid doomsday, ok? ##Unvote: SoonToBeDead ##Vote: youngminii To reiterate NO ONE is firing without a majority, if you want to fire, call for a vote, otherwise hold your damn missiles. | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:05 youngminii wrote: the WRL stayed the same i did you all a favour and you want to lynch me this doesn't even make sense, this town is terrible See we were going to happily lynch Mataza, and then not fire nukes as we had decided, the possibility of nuking Mataza was being debated and argued, with people voting for or against, we had like 5 votes for and 4 against or something, we were reaching a town consensus. Then you were like "oh, fuck what the rest of the town thinks, I'll just do my own thing" and fired. How is that doing us a favor? You stole discussion and raised the radiation level, if you are town you also ensured your own death and wasted a countermissile. Thanks, but if those are the types of favors you intend on doing you can refrain. | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:05 syllogism wrote: So that's your contribution after coming back, more townie lynching? ##vote GMarshal Policy is the way to avoid chaos. Stop supporting the conspirator. Yes I'm aware I'm likely killing a townie, its irrelevant, keeping people from being complete morons is as important as killing scum. Townies with guns historically destroy themselves unless kept in check by strong enforced policies. I am strongly enforcing policies. Now, lets assume you controlled the lynch, what scum would you like to lynch? Other than the guy who is trying to keep all the idiots with radioactive explosives from frying our assess I mean. | ||
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I have a counternuke, and a nuke of my own. I now need to think of what I'm doing. | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:12 youngminii wrote: yeah but now we know gmarshal is scum plus they were MY resources, not yours i will do as i please (see mataza this is what i meant by i agree with your philosophy) [this is now a proper caller game] Ok, let me remain calm. How the fuck do you conclude I'm scum? What scummy behaviors? THis is exactly like RTM, "GM tries to enforce order and maintain town atmosphere, KILL GM" Seriously this is painfully stupid. | ||
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Oh and I'll be nuking a random lurker in about *taps watch* 11 hours. That will teach them to lurk. | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:18 sandroba wrote: GM, you are scummy as fuck, you should be 100% sure I'm town at this point and you sugested to let the nuke land. Also you want to kill mataza who I'm pretty sure is town, yet Palmar broke the policy FIRST and you said nothing about it. You also didn't say anything about MY HUGE analysis of palmar. You are scum, go die now. Ok, you know what, I would argue, but I'm being nuked, so who cares. YM, I'm shooting down your nuke at Mataza, because I can. And random lurkers the clock is ticking. Remind me never to join another game where everyone has a gun, unless its troll, which was my original intent, but then people were like "oh we won't nuke" and I was like "hey this could be a regular game of mafia" | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:18 youngminii wrote: Act pissed off to look like town but not enough to get modkilled: Check Point to a different game to rely on previous town meta: Check Forgot that his main defense of his gameplay was "I want to try something new": Check SCUMSCUMSCUM This is hilarious. Thank god I won't have to play with you derps any more. I'll make you a deal, if you are so sure, bet your nukes on me being scum, if I flip town you swear not to fire them any more, if I flip scum you do whatever the hell you want, deal? Oh and I never advocated letting nukes land on sandroba I said it was up to the person with the anti-nukes to make a judgment call. But hey, no one ever actually reads what I wrote, its much more fun to just make it up. | ||
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Yeah, go for that, night lives will be useless when everyone is glowing. | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:25 Mataza wrote: I would, but you know I am dying before you do. I'm going to intercept the missile aimed at you, rather than the one aimed at me, because I don't feel like dealing with these people ^_^ | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:32 youngminii wrote: lololololol i think gman forgot that mataza started this whole mess loool oh god this game is turning out SO much better than i expected Im aware, but I'm a sucker for defending America, even if it *is* causing Armageddon, it must be for freedom, justice and good old fashioned American Pie, no? | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:36 sandroba wrote: Let me ask you something GM, do you think I'm scum? You have anit-nukes yourself. I'm not sure, I was going to wait and see how you reacted as you weren't around at launch time IIRC, I wasn't going to make that call until about 30-15 minutes before the nuke landed. | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:42 sandroba wrote: You were hell bent on lynching mataza today, but now you shoot the missile which is heading towards him, not you, down. How does that make anysense? I'm going to die, I thought I might as well have some fun with it, keep the radiation level from rising by one and give you someone you can properly policy lynch. Plus you are all yelling about how I'm scum for wanting him lynched to enforce the policies we agreed upon, so I decided to give you what you asked for. | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:39 Palmar wrote: He's france btw, not america. And for some reason he keeps linking German music with it. France, America, Russia, China aren't we all people in the end? I dream of the day in which we will all, together be able to overcome our differences and break the chains of hatred and strife that bind us to these accursed weapons of mass destruction. (Hopefully we won't overcome them just in time for the mutant roach armies spawned from the nuclear craters of our cities to eat out descendants living in primitive squalor). One day we will throw away the nukes and the guns and embrace as brothers (or radioactive dust) under one waving flag of unity and love (or a mushroom cloud). | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:43 Palmar wrote: What the hell are you talking about Cthzasza. The shit we're in now is exactly what I was trying to fucking avoid by just calmly lynching according to policy. But hey, I probably don't know what I'm saying, as you were... blowing up the world. Remember what I said about overestimating the town? Yeah, I think I'm as guilty of that as you are. Can you imagine if we followed your plan though? | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:50 Palmar wrote: Hmm... My plan would've done exactly the same as sandroba's. We'd have policy lynched Mataza and proceeded. But hey, TAA and YM don't need to follow no fucking plan, just nuke nuke nuke. And for the big finale, we have fucking Sandroba come in and randomly nuke into town, CAUSE IT'S SCUMMY TO DISAGREE WITH HIS POLICY, BUT PRO-TOWN TO BREAK IT AND NUKE TOWN. Yep, fully agree, when I flip green kill sand. Hell nuke him if you want, people have all pretty much decided that playing to win is less fun than NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST. Because NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST is hilarious, as is nuking people. I should have chosen the extra nukes rather than the extra life (which palmar shot out from under me) and the counter nuke, Imagine the fun I'd be having right now. | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:57 Palmar wrote: Sorry about that, that really should've been in the rules. They even specifically stated that duds do no damage. But yeah, go for sandroba once I flip town and GM probably flips town too. No worries. Because I hate inactives I'm going to fire a nuke at one before I go, because why the hell not? Are there any you particularly want me to aim for? I may just ignore you as I have a target in mind, but I'm more than happy to listen. | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:02 sinani206 wrote: God damnit ym ##Nuke: youngminii Whee! Nuclear Holocaust! So, we are going for a conspirator win day 1? Not bad, not bad, I suppose its just to easy a role to win with. | ||
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Sandroba, do you care to tango? I know I do, lets test how nuke proof you *really* are | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:13 sinani206 wrote: I have one more. But I can't use it unless someone else nukes me. SOMEONE PLZ DOUBLENUKE ME You launched one nuke at YM right? then JJ nuked you, so you should be able to launch again, I think. | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:14 sandroba wrote: Well nuke away. I gave up on this game already. High five! So did I! Pretty much when the nuclear holocaust started and everyone accused me of being scum. And then you nuked me against your whole plan. That was kind of amusing. I still want to nuke someone, who should I fire at? Kita hasn't been very active, and that upsets me, so I think I may target him... | ||
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Heres a cypher who tells you who I'm thinking of nuking. + Show Spoiler + VQKWPBVUIVWPGMGFRIPPWODLCYSYINZTAUOPLIJWZLMGRHMFOYTTWTNLBEMPIHWPUCESMSYPUSPWTULMUYDZXTFTCQHJEFALGMQTXIJSCHVCNAAGTZTFMTXLHTHPOQXHEFKMIRKFTCSGDIETAXVSIADLFTQCNQSRYYVFWNLRSPOEHILARLVZLECS Kudos to anyone who cracks it ^_^ | ||
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Why so negative? There will be a party in the graveyard when we die. There will be booze and chicks, and sandroba will not be invited, because he is "nuke proof". Spoilsport! Oh and + Show Spoiler + VQKWPBVUIVWPGMGFRIPPWODLCYSYINZTAUOPLIJWZLMGRHMFOYTTWTNLBEMPIHWPUCESMSYPUSPWTULMUYDZXTFTCQHJEFALGMQTXIJSCHVCNAAGTZTFMTXLHTHPOQXHEFKMIRKFTCSGDIETAXVSIADLFTQCNQSRYYVFWNLRSPOEHILARLVZLECS | ||
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I see you remember Orgah mafia, much like I do. It might be | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:33 JeeJee wrote: I'm actually trying to solve it so please tell me you didn't troll this and just mash your keyboard -.^ No, its an actual cypher, if you count the letters the distribution will make that pretty clear. | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well, I tried, Apple, Peach, Pear, LowHangingFruit, and I can't figure out the key, haha. The key is really, really related to this game, I'll give out a clue in a couple hours, if I can come up with a clever enough one ^_^ | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote: And here I was thinking there was going to be a clue within the clue...  Sorry I'll make the next one harder. After I find a new target. | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:45 sandroba wrote: Read the thread curu. Me and sinani have claimed 2 leaders of CCCP that are 100% guaranteed to be present in this game. No one counter claimed us. Throwing suspicion at me at this point is stupid. And I'm the Chinese restaurant, but no one seems to give a damn about that one. I elected the glorious leader Cash Mai-Check over the treacherous Malt Soydong and got a counter nuke and a night life as a reward. Should have given into temptation and gotten Malt Soydong's two nukes and the ability to fire two nukes per day, imagine the hilarity. | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:48 Palmar wrote: Whatever, don't let me ruin your fun. Someone just nuke me and then you can nuke as much as you fucking want to as I'm the conspirator. Nope, when we hit the radiation limit we *still* die. | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:52 Curu wrote: No one knows anything about the roles besides which factions exist. Hell look at what Caller himself pulled in WaW1, role and country claims don't mean shit to me. There must be a reason Caller chose a closed role setup with an open factions setup. Consider the possibility of a 3rd party whose victory condition is to assassinate every leader of each faction for example. It's Caller, he's going to be setting up a shitfest. I'm sure I can't be the only one who's thought of this and I doubt they would counterclaim. That no one is counterclaiming you is irrelevant to me. Why are you doing a complete 180 and now independently nuking and advocating for people who are also independently nuking? You spent like 4 pages trying to set up this policy. You, sinani, YM should all be lynched by town under your policy. And yet now you claim that they are the ones that are "obviously Town" when you yourself said no one but Mafia has a valid reason to go against your policy. You don't seem to care at all about it. I'm not completely convinced you're scum because nothing makes sense right now but you seem to be just advocating chaos. Policy lynch them. OH wait, thats why sand nuked me. Just go for Armageddon, it will be more funny that way. | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:53 sandroba wrote: YM, k so you will survive the nuke since you got an extra life. We can still maybe salvage this game. IF SOMEONE HAS ANTI NUKES PLS USE THEM ON THE ONE HEADING TOWARDS SINANI. LYNCH PALMAR. He claimed conspirator when he's about to die. Town would NEVER claim that. He's either trully the conspirator (unlikely) or Scum (likely). Hate to remind you, he claimed Assassin in PTP, fake claiming weird shit isn't anything unexpected from him. oh and wiggles, how do you feel about the possibility of me shooting nuclear weapons at you? | ||
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On July 07 2011 04:56 sandroba wrote: @Curu IT'S in the fucking OP that CCCP is allied. Do you think there's no lenin in this game? Surelly you must be joking. Also how would I know Lenin wasn't in the game if I was scum? Don't you think I would claim a low key leader. Seriously stop being silly or eat a nuke tomorrow. Yes Mr.Paragon of self control and adherence to plans | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:02 sandroba wrote: No, I won't explain shit. You now know I'm town, expend your energy hunting scum, not pestering me. This attitude is not at *all* anti-town Mr.President Pro-tip destroying the town environment (in more than one way ;P) is going to lead to  OOOOM* | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:03 sandroba wrote: Lol, I never said my plan wasn't to stop myself from doing shit like that . If mataza is scum, he wins MVP this game imo.LOL "I have a plan that applies to everyone, but me" could have mentioned that the first time around, would have made life much easier. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:06 syllogism wrote: The people who were mostly lurking while shit was going down are the scum team Which is why I'm nuking Zona. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:06 sandroba wrote: You are right. Please Curu, refrain from acusing obvtown of being scum. Have a nice day good sir. =) We *clearly* have different definitions of obvtown Its funny because everything I tried to avoid is happening GM says: Don't nuke, save counter missiles What actually happens: 6 nukes fired, 3 anti nukes and one extra life gone. GM says: Don't claim and dont believe claims What actually happens: Claims make people "obvtown" GM says: Make a plan and stick to it, its the proper way to be town What actually happens: plan is ignored, GM is nuked for trying to enforce it GM says: Lets have the town win What is actually going to happen: conspirator wins. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:12 Curu wrote: No I'm not going to nuke him. I'm not at that "awwww shiet let's just do whatever" stage that everyone seems to be at. Hey people. You have a LYNCH too. Let's stop nuking everyone we find suspicious and instead present an argument and USE THE LYNCH. Wow, I'm impressed, there are THREE people with common sense in this town. And I'd never thought I'd say this, but one of them is KURUMI. Welcome to the club of people who think nuking each other is stupid. I name you vice president. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:16 Mig wrote: I seriously hate everyone. Especially sinani/sandroba/gm/palmar. You know a game is completely screwed when fucking kurumi is the voice of reason. I didn't nuke anyone. I said "kill everyone who nukes" then sandroba shot a nuke at me. What do you want from me? | ||
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Maybe, maybe not. I'm actually probably taking the nuke to the grave with me. I just wanted to see who people proposed as targets/how those people reacted I might still do it, if I find a scummy enough lurker, but i'm probably not firing. Three nukes is more than enough radiation, thanks. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:21 syllogism wrote: "Due to being neutral you do not possess the ability to fire nukes but if you are killed in anyway the guilty player will die by divine intervention from your lord and savoir and the next night phase is skipped." Looks good to me? Ohh, reverse PoD and not town but neutral. Sounds like a good target actually. How long do I have till the nuke aimed at me lands? | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:36 Mig wrote: GM sandrobas nuke hits you at 15:10 Oh, so I have like 10 hours. Yeah not shooting till like 15:08 | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:38 Mig wrote: Are you going to shoot draz or someone else? I don't know yet. I encourage the lurkers to pick up their activity though, or I might just be aggravated enough to nuke them instead. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:40 Coagulation wrote: Why are you gonna shoot? What happen to "Dont shoot unless voted on" Why did you let the derps suck you into the derpfest? I'm getting nuked, might as well make the most of it, no? | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:41 Mig wrote: Then shoot draz. At least with your dying action you would have done something to actually help the town. I dislike the implication that me coming up with and trying to enforce a plan was not helping the town. Again I don't know what I'm doing with my nuke, but as far as operations go, everyone change to the one that stops us from nuking. Lets not have a repeat of this tomorrow. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:49 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...I'm only on page 11, but Curu just seems scummy. @_@....I f5'd page 49, and seen thread went up five more and I'm guessing sandroba nuked him? Clearly I wasn't the only one that thought that. nope, he nuked ME for lynching people who nuked. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:52 sandroba wrote: Well GM, I nuked you for the double standarts. You refused to vote for Palmar who nuked FIRST and I even posted a huge analysis on how I was sure he was anti town. You NEVER adressed it. Guess what? Palmar just claimed conspirator so I was right all along. Guess what? It was a fake nuke, he claimed it was and we all knew it was. Theres no double standard there, I'm killing people who fire radioactive weapons of mass destruction, not people who fire pop guns. I'm sorry I didn't comment on your analysis, I kind of missed it to be honest, also conspirator is completely different from scum. For one we don't need to kill him to win, we can just ignore him, why do you care if he is around or not? He has no nukes and no power. And having violated YOUR OWN plan you cannot speak about double standards. | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:59 syllogism wrote: How do we know conspirator doesn't have anti-town powers Aren't you the guy who was saying "kill scum" well he sure as hell isn't scum, so why are you killing him? | ||
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On July 07 2011 06:03 sandroba wrote: Yes I did violate my own plan, when it was clear no one was following it. What happened to "We don't believe claims" towards palmar's nuke. The fact that you never suspected his nuke to be real made me suspicious aswel. As for palmar being conspirator I had no way of knowing, neither theoretically did you if you are town. My analysis was 100% spot on which he was clearly anti-town. I did unvote him already. Well if he was lying about the nuke then he was retarded, I would have died and he would have been lynched. 1 for 1 is not a bad trade. Stop trying to buy town cred now, we both know you know I'm town. I'm curious as to what your alignment is though. And most people were following the plan, Mataza was going to die and YM was going to be lynched for the violation, then you walked in and nuked me. You sir are partially responsible for this mess and the town better not forget it. As a town leader you are even more responsible. Town should really lynch you. "Double standards" indeed | ||
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On July 07 2011 06:12 Drazerk wrote: Flavour text and laughs to brighten up the game I then abused it to prove a point Palmar did the same in PTP, its not *that* odd | ||
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On July 07 2011 06:24 Mataza wrote: Did you know I was really split on whether to nuke Sand and vote Palmar or do it the other way around? You were both pro nuking in some way or the other, either at regular intervals(Sandroba) or whenever the fuck you want(Palmar). Oh lord, I am now responsible(in part) for getting GM nuked instead of the scummy guys. I´m not forgetting who sheeped behind my madness. Btw, I don´t care if we enforce watchtower now, I´m empty. Thank you YM for only preventing my nukes. I hope you really think Sandroba is town, because I don´t. Also we need more great justice in this thread. i'm leaving you, kurumi and the new guy whos name has four letters and starts with a C in charge. Oh dear. Poor town. | ||
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On July 07 2011 06:29 Eiii wrote: hahaha, I'm so sad I wasn't around for the draz fakeclaim, I spotted it right away. There was a random capitalized 'W' in the middle of a sentence Anyway, when does day end and what's going on? I need to vote for someone. ummm, did you miss the fact that you got nuked? It lands in like 30 minutes too... | ||
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On July 07 2011 07:33 Drazerk wrote: Fail to see the relevance it would have and apparently having a laugh in a game of Mafia = Bad so I am not taking my chances Just lynch him and get it over with Interesting. Tell me, do you have any counter nukes? | ||
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On July 07 2011 07:37 deconduo wrote: So yeah, I have no idea what happened to the thread. Even going over everything twice I can't tell scumminess from idiocy. My best bet is mafia are just standing back laughing at the chaos but who knows, they could be in the middle of it. Changing to Watchtower is obviously the only logical move at this point, given the shitfest of the day. I thought it would be bad, but I had hoped that the big huge bold warning I gave would instill at least some bit of sensibility into people. Oh the instigator is sandroba. Everything was in line until he nuked me. And you'd think the fact that he had a plan to avoid this would have kept him from triggering Armageddon. Apparently not. Don't forget town, don't forgive. Sandroba started this holocaust he is the principal responsible for this chaos and destruction, and single handedly responsible for the death of a townie (me). I GMarshal, command this town, suffer not the heretic, Sandroba to live. Burn him from this earth with the sacred fires of the nuke, pierce him with the keenness of the blade in the night, tighten the noose of rope around his neck. Purge Him! | ||
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On July 07 2011 07:56 sinani206 wrote: Why hasn't anyone antinuked the nuke heading toward me? I thought I was loved... We probably used up the anti-nukes Plus we should not use anti-nukes untill 10-5 minutes before the nuke lands. | ||
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On July 07 2011 07:58 Eiii wrote: I eagerly await caller's post so I can see what the hell that does It doesn't show up till the night post. You probably have nothing to worry about. If you are town. Might be problematic if you are a miller. Oh and I still have a tick up my sleeve, but I need to find a target. | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:03 JeeJee wrote: Not for a while :< 16KST'ish? Later if I decide to fire a nuke at a lurker. | ||
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This is *purely* a theoretical exercise. | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:15 Drazerk wrote: Myself confirmed townies are always good if there is medic support around Now lets say this theoretical power had the *tiny* setback of destroying one of that person's nukes, and raising radiation levels by 1. Would you still use it that way? Lets also say you can't aim it at yourself. | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Does this ability perchance explode one of those person's nukes, raising the radiation level by one, and killing the person, thus revealing their alignment? Also, I switched to it as soon as the nukes started going off like this, but please: VOTE FOR OPERATION WATCHTOWER. FOR PEACE. FOR JUSTICE. Not this tidy theoretical power that doesn't really exist and I am not trying to figure out whether to use or not. No, I would guess not. | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:20 Eiii wrote: so what you're saying is I should get my nukes out now EMP's have nothing to do with my *purely theoretical* power. EMP's are real. Any ability like say Secret Agents, is right now just speculation which I am discussing for purely intellectual reasons | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:25 JeeJee wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2011 08:20 Eiii wrote: so what you're saying is I should get my nukes out now hell no wtf he's full of shit he claims china, and says he picked that guy that gave him an anti nuke and an extra life,both of which are now gone. He also now claims to have an EMP which may or may not do something (he's hesitant to claim what it does, although I don't know why because I don't think anyone can do anything about it. Otherwise it would be a shitty special power) And he also claims a public alignment check that destroys all nukes but raises radiation by 1? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2sltg.jpg) I'm discussing a purely theoretical power here. One that if it did exist might perhaps require me to use up a nuke, in this theoretical world, to pay for it. | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:30 Mig wrote: Why the fuck is everyone asking for GM to use it on them to confirm them as townies? I mean let me get this straight GM theoretically has a power that destroys a nuke and reveals alignment and people want him to use this power on you if you are town. Are you serious? Pick someone who is scummy and use it on them. Use some common sense people. Oh, good someone with a good thought. In an imaginary world such as the one I'm picturing that sounds like a brilliant plan. Imagine if you had this power, who would you subject to it? | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:32 JeeJee wrote: So. GM and chaos can communicate outside of the thread? Come at me mafias. ? where did that come from? | ||
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And I fail to see how you drew the conclusion that I'm in communication with chaos. I think chaos13 just completely misinterpreted my theoretical power which may or may not be real or fictitious with the EMP. The EMP has no effect on radiation levels or anti-nukes. What it actually does depends on a couple things though :/ | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:41 JeeJee wrote: You'd have to be pretty retarded to misinterpret it in such a way You'd also have to be pretty retarded to shoot nukes at me/day 1 at all, yet here we are. Anyway, what would you do with my theoretical ability JeeJee? Who would your fictitious experts in infiltration target and why? | ||
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That was rather unkind and nonconstructive. If I had such a theoretical ability perhaps you would not be a poor target. | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:46 JeeJee wrote: What do you want me to bother with his posts for? If he flips (I have an odd sinking feeling that he won't), then I'll answer it in full detail -- it will still be day. Unless he has to use this theoretical ability before he pops -- that's up to him to confirm Well if this theoretical and in no way proven ability did exists then one would probably need to still be alive and uncratered to use it, right? | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:50 JeeJee wrote: Not necessarily, it could easily be a last will or a vengeful ability. In fact it fits very well as such, certainly much better than multiple day-use abilities that can be used in the same cycle. So let's see -- you're confirming you have to be alive to send in the request? Hypothetically. It would be quite a strange hypothetical ability that could be carried out without a glorious leader, so yes, if this ability did exist I would need to be alive to execute it. I would also probably have to sell off my only nuke to afford such expensive and powerful infiltrators. | ||
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No, I believe that was sandroba "hey guys I have a plan! nah just kidding, NUCLEAR STRIKE!" | ||
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On July 07 2011 09:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, GM, is this hypothetically Role+Alignment, or just alignment? A public revealing of role might not be that great, if you miss scum =/ Purely theoretically from the hypothetical text I received the results would be alignment and role name, e.g. Cash Mai-Check, Chinese Restaurant, Allies. purely speculatively of course. | ||
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On July 07 2011 09:09 Coagulation wrote: GMarshal IF U DIE and flip GREEN Who would be good nuke targets? No one, hold your nukes. | ||
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On July 07 2011 09:54 heist wrote: Gone for half a day and this thread has blown up with posts. Might take a while to digest. What an ironic phrase. The thread isn't the only thing blowing up. You could say things have gone... critical. | ||
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On July 07 2011 10:03 chaos13 wrote: If you die and flip green who would be good lynch targets? Sandroba instigated this whole Armageddon, so get him for me please. gtrs is lurking so nail him as well. Look at the people who were around and didn't comment on anything, look at those who just spontaneously decided I was scum, for no reason. Drazek is probably either scum or the neutral monk he claims to be, he makes a good lynch either way. | ||
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I won't be around for the impacts in 5 hours (thats like 3 am my time) so I may as well hand out my last thoughts. 0.) Stop with the nukes, seriously, stop. 1.) Sand is scum, no doubt about it. YM and Mataza are probably town 2.) Don't nuke. Seriously don't I'm taking my nuke with me to the grave and all townies being nuked should do the same 3.) There is no "hypothetical power" but talking about it revealed interesting information, I suspect that one of those who called for checks may be a gf like role. 4.) JeeJee needs to be lynched to enforce the lynch all nukers policy as does Sand, plus sand is scum. 5.) Please stop nuking each other 6.) Kurumi, Mataza and Curu are left in charge. Behave and don't let the idiots nuke anyone. 7.) EMP also does not exist, it was fun to see people sweating over it though. 8.) DONT NUKE 9.) Really, dont nuke. Night everyone, I wake up for the nuke, might not, but either way I'll have a dramatic death post. ~GMarshal aka JFK. | ||
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I had 1 extra life at the start of the game... then palmar nuked me. I got no PMs after that saying I lost the life, but I assumed I had, because thats what missiles do. I just got nuked now and notified I lost my extra life... also apparently the countermissile I shot didn't go off because its "shoddy Chinese equipment". Goddamnit, what that hell is going on, why did palmar's missile earlier not take my extra life away? Did someone do something? Mt head hurts now. | ||
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On July 08 2011 02:23 kitaman27 wrote: Wait, so GMarshal, you're saying you "forgot" that you had two extra lives, wasted an anti-nuke to save yourself, learned that it didn't work, and lived because you re-read your role? Something seems off... Anyone wanna claim redirecting the missile from YM? Also, did you launch and anti-nuke JeeJee or do you have an ability that protects you from dieing to nukes? The post hinted at radio signals. "A cultist that can win with town" worries me. Seems like there is another party that we will have to worry about. Does "Chapel of Ze" mean anything to anyone? It would be nice if we could connect who would belong in the group with Trotsky. Marx perhaps? I really thought I was dead, notice the fact that I started talking about imaginary abilities and EMPs? Also notice how there was a message about a counter missile hitting the missile aimed at Mataza? Yeah that was mine, I later got a PM notifying me that I'm out of extra lives and telling me that my counter missile failed because of shoddy chinesse manufacturing. I couldn't make it up if I tried, this is truly a caller game. | ||
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On July 08 2011 03:10 TheAwesomeAll wrote: people its night, lets stay silent for the dead, since we had quite a few of them. Why? This is time for constructive discussion, time to remind everyone to not fucking fire nukes and time to scumhunt. | ||
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Because we don't nuke people. Also he claimed nuke proof IIRC | ||
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On July 08 2011 23:48 syllogism wrote: Look at the time line of sinani206 claiming Leon Trot-Ze and Sandroba claiming UMADIMIR LENEN. Pretty impressive improvisation if he managed to decide it was a good spot to fake claim and come up with a reasonable fake claim in less than 2 minutes. Plus him being Zombie Lenin makes sense. So much time wasted on people who are quite likely to be town at this point Why are we believing name claims its completely unprovable this is a CALLER game, for all we know Umadir Lenen is town until the conspirator is killed, then he discovers his love of donuts and becomes an Alien Menace/serial killer. Names mean nothing, roles mean nothing, actions are everything, and sandrobas actions don't point at him being town aligned. | ||
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On July 09 2011 00:10 Zona wrote: GMarshal: Are you saying you lost a life to Palmar's "fake nuke" and another to sandroba's nuke? That is correct. When I read my Pm for the first time it said something around the lines of "you are Chinese Restaurant, you start with 1 nuke and 1 extra life" I then elected Cash to be my leader which granted 1 extra life and 1 anti-nuke, I completely forgot that I got one extra life to start with, so I thought I had lost my only extra life to Palmars fake nuke. Turns out I had one more than I thought. | ||
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On July 09 2011 00:41 syllogism wrote: The situation is different here though since, presumably, town has been self destructing on day 1. In that game there was a serious need for misdirection And how do you know the town *isn't* being misdirected? The key event that threw us into chaos yesterday and started a chain of nukes was sandroba nuking me. Another key, although less important event was the YM nuke. Yet neither of these two key instigators have flipped, despite taking the town from "we lynch anyone who nukes" to "AGGGH CHAOS AND DISORDER!!!" What a coincidence, don't you agree? I think the mafia is trying to cause chaos right before our eyes, and we are just ignoring them, because "mafia isn't that blatant" | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 08 2011 23:46 GMarshal wrote: @Zona, my explanation is not everchanging, I thought I was going to die because I misread my role PM. [/QUOTE] What reason did you have to think you were going to die? Didn't you fire an anti-nuke to save yourself? Unless you anticipated your anti-nuke wasn't going to work, you wouldn't have worried about getting killed off. I fired an anti-nuke at the missile targeting mataza. I didn't feel like arguing about my innocence for the next 3 days, so I was willing to take the nuke and save someone I thought was town. Things didn't work out that way. | ||
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On July 09 2011 05:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: GM, since we have time to talk, can you explain your weird flip-flopping on Day 1 to me? First you went from policy lynching Mataza even if he were town, to trying to shoot down the nuke heading towards him, and entrusting him to a warden for the town. You also have a ton of contradictions after Mataza launched his nuke, about whether to lynch, or to nuke, and even though you had agreed on a lynch, you later call for a nuke, which YM took as permission to start firing. There's more contradictions too. Can you explain this to me, please? (I can start quoting if you want, too) Sure, I was going to policy lynch anyone who nuked, to garner additional information I offered to nuke Mataza IF and only IF 50% of the town would agree. If YM, interpreted that as "permission" to nuke then he needs to actually read what I posted. I wanted to nuke Mataza so we could have more discussion for the lynch other than "policy". Then sand nuked me, and decided that "hey people who nuke aren't going to be lynched" and I had to get rid of my counter nuke, so I figured, if I save myself the town will decide I'm scum and spend all of tomorrow lynching me/nuking me, so I might as well save Mataza, who I had a town read on (despite the stupidity). Since we were apparently not policy lynching/nuking anyone, I might as well save him. Funny you call me out on "flip flopping" when sand went from "no nuke" to "fuck this, NUKE GM", while I mostly maintained that nuking was a bad idea and should only be done with town consensus. Not that anyone listens to me. | ||
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On July 09 2011 07:25 TheAwesomeAll wrote: dude, you just told mafia about google, now they know close to anything. Youre either dumb or scum. Noooo! Now the mafia know about the INTERNET! Quickly, no one mention things like "the wheel" or "fire" or they may be able to advance technologically! @Opz- I don't really have an opinion on decon, he's lurking, but so are 5-6 other people. Like gtrs, remember him? | ||
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On July 09 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote: I have more posts than half the people in the game. I have no idea why people think I am lurking. I have almost three times more than OPZ. Fine, not lurking, but not really that opinionated either. I don't know, none of your posts really stand out to me as committing to anything strongly. I may be mistaken, but thats my impression. | ||
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On July 09 2011 07:43 Drazerk wrote: You know what I think I am going back on my first impressions, Syllo is Scum or acting very strangely. I am just getting bad vibes from him. You get a cookie from me for posting live reports in the NASL finals threads. So for that I will mindlessly agree. Syllo why you scum? | ||
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On July 09 2011 10:59 kitaman27 wrote: This doesn't make sense at all. Why would you sacrifice yourself who you know is town, for someone else who may or may not be town. Especially someone like Mataza who was creating nothing but chaos. @Sandroba: What was the purpose of your fake zombie claim? What were you trying to accomplish with that? Also, after posting a one-liner that GM is scum and nuking him, have you changed your mind about him? If so, what in the last 24 hours changed your opinion? I just really didn't feel like arguing my innocence ^_^ Yes it makes little sense, deal with it. | ||
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Also I nominate gtrs to be nuked failing that I suppose a lynch will do. | ||
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On July 09 2011 23:47 TheAwesomeAll wrote: thats just upping the WRL, GM i know you can do better... Has GTRSR posted at all? Please give some reasons or analysis. Lurking hardcore, this will encourage other lurkers to stop lurking and start posting. Its not like I can analyze all three of his posts and come up with any meaningful conclusions damnit. | ||
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On July 09 2011 23:52 syllogism wrote: He has 0 posts, no votes since the game started. You aren't even trying. What is your opinion on Opz based on this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10209743 and that youngminii was likely framed If he has no votes why hasn't he been modkilled? Sorry, but I hate lurkers. My opinion on ~Opz~ ? He has exactly the same response I do, when a situation is sketchy like that resolve it. Easiest way to resolve it is to kill the main suspect. Until you caught the tidbit about the win-con I would have happily lynched ym. I do think ~Opz~ has a couple scummy content-less posts, but those wanting to kill YM are in no way scummy, in fact they are the proper response. | ||
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On July 09 2011 23:54 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ##vote: ULTRA ##vote: GMarshal http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237920¤tpage=41#818 blatant lying on day one, not on my watch What did I lie about? | ||
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On July 10 2011 00:00 syllogism wrote: The problem is he wanted to lynch YM before this likely fake "flip" and after that he was "uncertain" Oh, I didn't notice the timings on that. Let me go back and look again, I'll get back to you on that, but if thats the case then yes its scummy, very scummy. | ||
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I can tell you what my role PM said, and what choices I had to make, nothing more. If I were ballsy mafia fake claiming I'd be fucked as soon as either Cash or Malt flipped, as cash flipping would prove I was lying and malt flipping would allow cash to immediately claim and get me killed. | ||
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According to the last night post chaos13 had a vigi shot or something right? Maybe he blew it on YM last night? | ||
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On July 10 2011 05:53 Coagulation wrote: I dont even think you know what the fuck is going on. I will fully admit I have not the slightest clue of what is going on. I kind of lost it when we started nuking at random. That said, I welcome our new conspirator overlord. | ||
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On July 10 2011 10:00 Coagulation wrote: The reasonable people have long since stopped trying to enforce any kind of logic or order in this game. Pretty much. I was going to rant, but whats the point? | ||
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STOP NUKING. I don't even care about radiation, when you random nuke you essentially guarantee the death of a town player, as scum will be shooting down missiles aimed at them. Each nuke brings lylo one step closer. | ||
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On July 10 2011 11:17 heist wrote: Why do I get surprised anymore whenever I come back to this thread after a break? I no longer feel "surprise" or "shock" or "fear", I no longer feel anything, theres only this empty void where there was once hope and willingness. I won't be surprised when someone else shoots off a nuke. Or when the zombies (who's winconditions we still don't know by the way) take over. Or hell, when Drazek reveals he is really the messiah and that his will is for us to nuke ourselves. | ||
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Zombies don't enjoy delicious fried rice, hence they should be lynched. | ||
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On July 10 2011 13:51 Eiii wrote: actually I'll just vote for GM now Yes, please vote for the guy who claimed an Allied role and wasn't counterclaimed, rather than a self claimed Zombie. I'm sure your undead masters will be overjoyed. | ||
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On July 10 2011 14:04 Eiii wrote: hahah, somehow between my first post and the second I completely confused GM and sand in my head :B not really sure how that happened, sorry gm. Can't go back on a decision like that now though! I guess thats fair, I mean you *did* say you were voting me, so now you have to mindlessly tunnel me for the rest of the game. Its best if you punctuate it by calling for *everyone* to nuke me to make sure I die | ||
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On July 11 2011 11:30 Navillus wrote: ##vote deconduo ##vote ULTRA I am Louis Mountborton of the Boretish Empire, one of the British claims is probably lying. so you are boretish not boreritish? Thats an interesting nationality, I'm not sure its one I'm familiar with. I wonder, are the boretish nuke-proof? | ||
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On July 11 2011 11:48 Mig wrote: Nobody has even mentioned navillus for about 50 pages. Do you think when he is completely flying under the radar he would come in here as mafia and claim british and draw attention to himself? Why not? Why so defensive mig? I find it... interesting that we have no issue believing in cyborg dinosaurs, aliens and zombies but an *ocean* is far fetched. I mean have *you* ever seen a giant body of water? | ||
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Neither did I when I lost one to palmar's fake nuke earlier, so don't worry about it. *sigh* need to consider who my vote is going to go to... | ||
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On July 11 2011 12:58 Navillus wrote: Exactly. You should nuke me because I'm in the habit of popping in as mafia when no one is noticing me to make dubious claims that will possibly get me killed. Now is when you say "I actually lied about my identity, I'm actually the third party solar flare from the year 2300AD, I have to kill the ocean to win" | ||
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On July 12 2011 00:23 TheAwesomeAll wrote: on a serious note GM, wtf did you just do? Nothing at all actually. I was bored so I decided to test for reactions. It wasn't very informative I'm afraid. Oh, well, I'll be back in a few hours and I'll see about trying to figure out who claimed what. | ||
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On July 12 2011 01:49 Drazerk wrote: My plan is still going into action regardless. No analysis, No anti radiation nuke. I like you. Thank you kindly ^_^ | ||
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On July 12 2011 05:42 TheAwesomeAll wrote: dude you dont get it, i dont just HAVE Also i dont believe he saved mataza... (did he ? i think YM(he got temp banned btw) nuked mataz, then GM was like wow why you nuke? YM and GM exchanged some nukes and Mataz died, with the epic see you all thread) Typing from phone. I have yet to fire any nukes. | ||
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On July 12 2011 05:48 Mig wrote: Coag or GM nuke TAA Why? Provide a coherent argument and I'll think about it, but as I've already said, I think its moronic to just nuke everyone. | ||
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On July 12 2011 05:52 Coagulation wrote: mig your walking a fine line of playing too well to be town. and GMARSH your playing terrible(if town). Im disapointed cause I would expect you to have more game presence for us. Sorry man, but when half the town is idiotic enough to fire nukes for giggles I no longer feel bound to contribute. However I'll see what I can do tonight, if I get back at a reasonable time. | ||
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On July 12 2011 06:13 Mig wrote: Can anyone give me reasons why this is a bad idea? Coag/GM? Because having 3 lives indicates nothing about his alignment. He could be nuke proof and have 17 anti-nukes, or lasers and an EMP generator. How do any of these traits prove him to be scum or town? Also, I have to wonder, why did an anti-nuke save kita while wiggles and JeeJee were not spared? I think kita might be a key mafia role, and we really need to consider lynching if he doesn't die to the nuke. I'm fine with killing TAA if you think he is scum, but realize that having 2 or 3 or fifteen lives doesn't show his alignment at all. | ||
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This game showcases why "let the town do its own thing" is absolutely retarded, townies are by definition stupid and *will* just fire because "nukes are cool" or "its fun". Once town reaches that stage its practically impossible to stabilize | ||
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