EPTStill I'll wait for the end post I guess. Next time it's such an abnormal setup I think I'll just fling shit around though, Mataza had the right of it. It's just frustrating seeing all the planning and thinking going to waste to a guy who did nothing, and that the only way it happened was a skewed mechanic or bastard mod (I'm not actually calling you a bastard Caller, it's just a term ^_^).
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Still I'll wait for the end post I guess. Next time it's such an abnormal setup I think I'll just fling shit around though, Mataza had the right of it. It's just frustrating seeing all the planning and thinking going to waste to a guy who did nothing, and that the only way it happened was a skewed mechanic or bastard mod (I'm not actually calling you a bastard Caller, it's just a term ^_^). | ||
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So we had four factions in the Mafia then. Normal Mafia, dec who won by killing TAA and winning, and TAA who won with Conspirator. I'm sure Wiggles had an alternate win condition too but he died before I could figure out what it was. My role was a Framer. I could influence the night post and change flips for one night. This was my creation: Hail to you Earthlings from deep outer space, We’ve come here now to watch this place. Interested we are to see your fate, So for now no action, we’ll sit and wait. But before we depart, here’s what we saw, An intricate development that’ll drop the jaw. Nuke all you want until the whole world glows, And you’ll miss those zombies sitting under your nose. They have no heartbeat, the walking dead, They won’t be satisfied till they’re thoroughly fed. You squabble amongst yourselves as we laugh with mirth, Because human beings are not the only faction on Earth. This was to just throw as much confusion into Town as possible. Caller suggested the zombies to me and lol there were zombies. And this was my second night creation: Averted a coming crisis with that timely rotting death, Never trust those who never draw breath. One world leader dies and now only two remain, Locked together in death, one’s efforts will be in vain. Tides are shifting and alignments draw out, Of one thing in particular we have little doubt. Try as you may, dispel your utterly foolish notion, For it is most definitely impossible to lynch an entire ocean. Studying each one, we’ve had some great joy, Rubbish speak and trolls and an odd little boy. We’ve watched your people, some certainly bore, They’ve even taught us the meaning of “snore.” We applaud you Earthlings, it has been most fun, Missiles and killing, destruction a-ton. One more small tidbit we’d like to pose, The threshold of your planet, one of you knows. This was created before all the shit went down. Basically to confirm Kitaman as the Ocean (he wasn't), to get Navillus lynched/nuked for his misspelling, and to enforce my own fakeclaim. I breadcrumbed my fakeclaim (J. Brobert Oppenheimer, father of the atomic bomb) with my very first post: Considering that radiation levels increase on any sort of activity (hitting someone with multiple lives, dud missiles counting) then I think it's somewhat safe to assume that the nuclear cap is somewhat high. Last World at War had 34 nukes spread among 22 countries with 9 as the max radiation level. This game, assuming an average of 1.5 nukes per person (29 people), then we have about 43 nukes total. So I’m going to preemptively place the radiation level at around 12. Just my analysis based purely on the previous game. Take from it what you will. And with the night post would have said yep, I know the WRL (purely made up arbitrary number). Here are our role powers: Dec: You are in charge of the Wheatmarket. You have the power of blitzkrieg! You may double all actions that a player takes (besides yourself). Double role checks, double vigilante hits, double nuclear weapons, whatever. You may use this power only once per day/night cycle. Kurumi: In the tradition of most Japanese things involving cards you may summon monsters with them. These monsters may give you anything from role and name checks to an extra night life to an anti-missile card/medic protection to a single night hit. You may only pick one power per day and must use all four abilities before you can use them all again. Curu: You are the Tree Reich's Dharma Gobbels! You are the Cropaganda minister. You may frame anything you want about a player once per night, be it country, name, alignment, role, whatever! You may also deliver a speech for night phase which you PM to me during the day and I post with the night post. TAA: You are the leader of the Tree Reich. Aptly, you are also not only the head of the Axis (godfather, appears as you want to role and alignment checks) but also may once choose to end day at your choosing (namely, you will set the remaining time for day to 3 hours). You also have the power to once cancel an Allied campaign. You also have two anti-nuclear weapons. Kita: I have three nukes and a two time use activated protection role that will save me from kills for a cycle. I'm not sure if it will save me from lynches too, but if so I'll scum up the thread to distract everyone from the rest of you. My secondary ability is that when I die, all remaining Japanese players must immediately Admiral Ackbar a target by the end of the day/night phase in which you are killed, killing the target and anyone that used a role action on them during that cycle and bypassing medic protection. I guess it depends on how big a part of the axis my faction takes up to see how active I'll play. I still have to read the thread, so I'll probably post again in a bit. Here are my thoughts on the setup so far: prplhz: You are in charge of the ESES, the Environmental Services Endogenous Security. You welcome people of all colors like the Rainbow you are. You may check anyone of your choice to figure out what their identity and role is, and where they are from, once per night. That person is also jailed, meaning they will be roleblocked and immune to other night actions. Wiggles: Basically he can choose one person at night and that person is immune to all night actions, day actions, and nukes for one cycle. We should have easily won if we were all online. TAA shoots down the nuke at Wiggles, Kurumi throws his extra life onto himself. Unfortunately it was like 5 AM in Europe when their nukes landed so TAA and Kurumi weren't on in time. So I made a new plan: Alright guys. Here is who is left currently: Gmarshal – ONE LIFE LEFT Ciryandor – American, SHOULD die to kita’s nuke. Chance he survives because he’s Roosevelt. Coagulation – British, FUCKTON OF LIVES AND/OR NUKE IMMUNE Mig – can redirect nukes, I DON’T THINK HE’S BRITISH. SO MANY BRITISH ALREADY Drazerk – British, FUCKTON OF LIVES Gtr – what the fuck is he Nav – British, FUCKTON OF LIVES 7 of them alive. Kita survives his lynch and we night hit Mig. I'm going to assume Ciryandor will survive his nuke because he hasn't claimed any powers. This is worst possible scenario (besides if Mig survives, which will be bullshit because ANOTHER vet?). So 6 alive to 5 of us. Not bad but TAA is 100% getting lynched next day. That'll leave us 6 to 4 possibly going into the next night. Maybe TAA nukes someone as he dies, 5 to 4 (best case). Problem is like 4 of them have confirmed each other so me/Dec/GM/prplhz are the next on the list. None of us can survive nukes. We will probably lose. THIS IS WHAT I PROPOSE. BLITZKRIEG. TAA you cancel the extra life British campaign. Let's make sure none of these fuckers stay vets. THEN AGAIN, I don't think their vet status includes nukes. YM and Misder both died to 1 nuke and they were British. TAA shortens the day. I HOPE THIS MEANS NUKES WONT PROLONG DAY or this seems like a useless ability. We BLITZ lynch someone. Preferably Coag since he claims nuke immunity. We also nuke the fuck out of every remaining Townie (we have enough nukes, especially with dec's doubling power). This means we fire 6 nukes. Game goes to night. We hit Roosevelt in case he has a crapload of antinukes. If we haven't won by the next day then kita has one of his lives left (JeeJee used his Jack power to put the life on kita so he shouldn't have to use both of his to survive today. PLZ CONFIRM CALLER) and TAA has 1 antinuke left. We nuke the fuck out of every townie again (again, 6 nukes) and have kita use his life and TAA shoot down one of theirs. WE MAKE SURE WE NUKE FIRST SO THEY CANT FIRE OFF TWO EACH DUE TO RETALIATION STRIKES. What I need from you guys is a count of how many nukes you have left so dec knows who to double. If anyone has 3 nukes we double him on first day so he can nuke again second day. kita you need to scum the fuck out of this thread today. TAA MUST NOT BE LYNCHED. I had to attack Mig because he basically figured out 5 scum and was reaching confirmed Town status. How I came up with my plan: Kitaman can activate two extra lives that will save him from anything. He can only activate one each day though. This includes lynch. Kurumi was a Jack who could throw an extra life onto someone. So Kurumi threw the life onto Kita (survived Mig's redirection nuke), TAA shot down the second nuke heading at Kita. Dec doubles Kita's power so he activates one life to survive Navillus's nuke and has one left to survive the lynch. I had to shoot down Mig and make sure Kita did not get nuked one more time. So I came up with my big retaliation speech. It seemed to work since Mig said "damn I regret asking people to nuke Kita now." And Drazerk seemed to be on board with me too and suspect Mig. Navillus would obviously be on board with me but he was dead anyways. Coagulation seemed to suspect Mig a bit too now. I also used him asking TAA to be nuked against him since I knew TAA would flip scum when he died next day and would survive all nukes this day. THEN ANOTHER THING CAME UP IN THE IRC. Dec could only win if we killed TAA too. He also had a new operation: he gains 1 KP that night and an extra life and 2 nukes if TAA dies. So I convinced TAA that he was going to be dead next anyways and to bus him. Me and Kita had to make sure Dec did not shoot TAA with that night KP so we convinced him to simply nuke TAA the next day in an attempt to gain town cred. Dec's fakeclaim was amazing for this (all credit to Dec) as his scummy actions could be explained by the traitor part while he also appears Town by killing TAA. All of this was just the work we put into DAY 2 ONLY. So you see why I am pissed off that PALMAR won? I focused more on planning the mechanics and actions of what we should do rather than clearing myself. For some reason no one really suspected me as scum when I was pretending to be some super smart soldier but all my analysis flipped green people. | ||
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On July 13 2011 00:18 syllogism wrote: I think Mr. Wiggles was the only player on mafia team who played well. Curu was good but gave himself away by obviously being insightful/smart and yet tunnelling very obvious townies and being all over the place with his anti role claims stance. Once people started flipping it became obvious he wasn't just some townie with a delicate win con. Prplhz pushed his completely braindead newbie gimmick too far. Unfortunately the few townies who were actually playing seriously had to spend too much time fighting against other townies just to stop stupid lynches/nukes to actually pin the mafia down. Mig was awesome except for that kitaman nuke slip up lol I failed in my play but not the way you think I did. I was trying to scum up as much as possible without actually revealing myself as scum (I die to a single nuke and wouldn't want to waste one of our only two anitnukes on me so I wanted to be lynched) once anyone else got suspected because my power was by far the most useless out of the whole Mafia team. Unfortunately it didn't work and no one pointed at me solidly and as a result Kurumi, Wiggles, and JeeJee all died before me. | ||
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On July 13 2011 00:40 Mig wrote: Yea haha. I couldn't believe I had to argue for 10 pages about how fake kita's was. And heist wanted to let him live so he could confirm it even tho we already knew you guys were fucking with the day posts. Curu your fake claim was good. When you first said oppenheimer I was like huh the only non military leader in the game? But then its like eh invented nukes whatever could be in there and just sort of dismissed it. All credit for my claim goes to TAA (I think?). I wasn't the one that came up with Oppenheimer, one of my Mafia buddies did. | ||
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But I think I played too seriously this game. Should have just nuked errywhere and gone with the flow. Fun game overall. | ||
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Drazerk was into it too but unfortunately (not saying it's your fault) all the fakeclaims and shifting roles and whatever stopped you from doing anything useful. GMarshall if that's your normal Town play I would lynch you every game as Town in a heartbeat. You really did nothing except try to confirm yourself as scum. But I think he just stopped trying too  . | ||
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I'm assuming: Dec won with Mafia and by killing TAA TAA won with Conspirator? I think Wiggles had one too, what was it? | ||
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On July 13 2011 01:24 Ciryandor wrote: And yes, I had another life as Hairy Broman. That's it? We thought you would have like 8 nukes and 5 antinukes and a nightkill ability and 5 lives lol. Since you were the leader of America and all. Overall I thought YM had the best ability. A 2 KP Vig when Mafia only had 1 KP, he wasted them both antinuking sandroba though. Mig's was strong too. Everyone else's seemed more or less useless or they didn't get to use them. | ||
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It sounds great but I don't really want to commit to a PM game. It makes some players extremely pivotal to the game (and have to work 10x harder) while marginalizing others, depending on how the PM clique turns out. It also encourages more of a lurker environment IMO. That and I have almost no experience playing them. I regret missing the Merc mini game, that one sounds fun. EDIT: Oh nevermind that's a PM game too. Oh and I also thought someone would connect me and JeeJee. I spotted the citizen fakeclaim in Closed Casket and told it to JeeJee over the Mafia IRC since he was convinced Palmar was the scum. I was worried with me posting my e-peen post in that thread and it coinciding with JeeJee's argument and revelation in the thread it would become apparent we were in contact lol. | ||
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On July 13 2011 01:50 syllogism wrote: I thought it highly likely that if one of you flipped red, so would the other (remember, I asked both of you to name claim in a single post). You shouldn't have defended Jeejee like that when I pointed out how good his town play was in CCM and how bad it had been so far in WaW Yeah but I spawned his effort. He was locked in on Palmar as scum and was just going to trust citizen to decide the game. He put together everything else afterwards (citizen being Mafia doc, etc) but I pointed out to him that citizen was Mafia. It was like a...reverse metagame because I knew his scumhunting effort was because of me so he shouldn't have been drawing suspicion in this game due to lack of scumhunting effort. Got torn over having to boost my e-peen and protecting my interest in this game, e-peen won. | ||
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On July 13 2011 02:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: I had a very honest reason, but yea, I understand. not to mention I wanted to live until day 3/4 cuz of Maginot Line, so i didn't want to get randomly nuked. Did you even read my analysis of decunduo? My trap for him? Where I COMPLETELY proved he was actively lurking vs just not being around? How about the lynch train that was running over me when I wasn't around? I wasn't there defending myself or nothing, but Decunduo seen a weak FoS on him and jumped to accuse someone who was guilty of the same shit, then got smacked in the face with an extremely better post that I was waiting to post. =/ Did seriously NO ONE but me realize that? I saw it but I didn't want to bus him haha. Notice I said I didn't like dec's response, I was sort of soft bussing him so I could claim that as cred later on if he did get lynched while not actually pointing out his response to anyone. | ||
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I also want to say that the general level of TL Mafia is a lot less refined than actual Mafia forum gameplay (as it should be, people come on TL to talk about SC2 while people go to actual Mafia forums to play Mafia). More advanced techniques like tunnel hunting/chainsaw, random voting to draw out responses, judging people based on if they are too self-interested rather than willing to be sacrificed to gain information, etc are not going to be recognized by most of the players so drawing a case around that is going to go unnoticed most of the time. | ||
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There are obviously very good players on TL (Mig nailed like the entire Mafia team in this game). Actually I sounded pretty condescending, I'll retract my statement. I've only read WaW1, some of CCM, and WaW2 so I can't comment on the level of TL games. I think Caller's setup brought out the worst in people anyways so this probably wasn't an accurate representation. | ||
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So our roles and countries weren't told to each other. Is this intended? That coupled with the "beware of internal disputes" makes me think some of you have victory conditions that aren't completely aligned with just killing the Town. My best bet is that one of you is the Conspirator or that you need the Godfather to be lynched too to win so you can "take over" as the Axis leader. We might even have a Mafia within the Mafia. Still with nothing more solid to go on perhaps we should focus on killing all Town first before turning our investigations internal. Which I made, that's why Kita kept asking you. And turns out both my suspicions were right it seems, TAA won with Conspirator and dec needed to kill TAA (the Godfather) lol. | ||
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On July 13 2011 04:17 TheAwesomeAll wrote: I thought Curu was the guy who wanted to kill me, but it turned out to be deco. I dont think there is anyone else that has alt win cons. It was because dec told me, Kita, and prpl about his win condition. He has a special operation that gives him a KP at night but revealed him as a traitor if he didn't shoot you with it. We needed to make sure he didn't shoot you and used it on a Townie instead because we needed your power that day. So we had to come up with a plan to have you dead so we could pacify him lol. He also got an extra life and 2 extra nukes if he died so you being killed could have benefited us. I had to make sure you didn't have the win condition of staying alive or we would've been fucked. sandroba you were confirming Towns and FoSing Mafia and one of the only Townies doing analysis. I needed to get you dead somehow ^_^. Coag apparently Caller purposely worded Drazerk's PM in a devious way so that people would think there was no radiation while there actually was. Yeah I was pretty miffed about it too. Even without radiation I think you guys had already lost because of our extra KP and Navillus getting nailed by the retaliation nuke from Kita. We also would've blitz lynched one of you because TAA had an ability that made night only last 3 hours. I don't think Mafia team won, I think TAA and Palmar won. | ||
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On July 13 2011 04:52 Coagulation wrote: Curu your the only one that wasnt a clear scum read at the end to me.. I Would of lynched the shit out of decon and KITA both Scum did a really really bad job laying low. Mig was all over the scum team the entire game. IF townies HADNT FIRED THERE NUKES AT START KILLING EACH OTHER LIKE I SAID NOT TO DO OVER 12356347 TIMES THIS GAME. Yeah, I know we were all more or less discovered which is why I had my Blitzkrieg plan. Basically we were going to ninja lynch one of you then nuke the rest. It would have been like 4 to 5 (5 being Mafia) anyways after that night because Mig and Nav both were already nuked. We had the majority. Then we have 2 KP too that night so we had won either way. It's just that the world blew up so Conspirator won instead. Town blew each other up way too much. YM wasted his double night kill saving sandroba from nukes - sandroba happened to be nuke immune anyways. | ||
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