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On June 16 2011 19:59 omgCRAZY wrote: Alright! Let's get this thing started! Need my mafia fix! hehe yes. This will become pretty cool, since we all know each other from the previous mafia. :-) | ||
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but since we don't know whether there is a medic, it would be bad if we lose our only blue in exchange to one mafia. | ||
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##vote: Treadmill | ||
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On June 20 2011 00:05 CjrNinja wrote: Well, it looks like supersoft hasn't come back yet. I'm taking my vote off him and onto gtrsrs. His plan to pile all our votes and waste them on a modkill, negating ANY possibility of getting a mafia today and effectively turning day 2 into another random lynch day 1 is the scummiest thing i've seen so far. Gtrsrs' personality change from a fearless tunneling townie to a passive, uncommitted scum is not unnoticed by me. Gtrsrs: If you think Drazerk is the scummiest so far, then fucking vote for him. There is no 100% certainty on day 1. By lynching a modkill, the day 2 certainty for lynching a scum will be no closer to 100% then it is today. ##Unvote: supersoft ##Vote: gtrsrs haha, now I am back, so you may put your vote back on me if you wish. I don't know what to say about gtrsrs... I agree with him, that we shouldn't randomlynch on day1 in general... mhh difficult situation. If we had a DT for sure, I'd also say, we better lynch a lurker/afkler... But since we cannot be sure about that... From another point of view: If he was mafia, he shouldn't be interested in lynching a person that's afk. Best case for them is, if we lynch one of us who is contributing. So I think this position of him to lynch someone who probably gets modkilled doesn't convince me. A more valid point is his passiveness... How much time is left until nighttime? | ||
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pretty funny how strong your behavior changed from the last game when you were mafia :D Is this a mindgame or are you really townie this time? | ||
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gtrsrs is innocent. Unbelievable. I reread the whole thread, and he's the only one that isn't suspicious to me. I really don't trust aprudds. He is only agressively trying to be the townleader and control the action. But he doesn't lead us anywhere. He just jumps from target to target and accuses everyone, who posts something in here. Moreover is this guy smart enough to change his behavior without a reason - he doesn't need a new role for that. | ||
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On June 20 2011 03:35 aprudds wrote: Really Gtrsrs is the ONLY person that isn't suspicious? You sir need to get your brain checked. Lynch Treadmill? You must have some BRILLIANT reasoning for this. Let's see.... A)He's useless B)He suggested a bad plan Damn, with that reasoning we must all probably be scum. How can you judge usefulness on day one again? Also if your suspicious of me why are you trying to lynch treadmill again? Because he's "useless"? So if we go by that logic we should ignore everyone suspicious and try and lynch everyone we think is "useless" right? Can we please smarten up? If you really think I'm scum make an argument about it. I promise, that I'll set up an argument if gtrsrs flips green. | ||
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What's the votecount so far? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 18 2011 06:23 gtrsrs wrote: disagree at all points since we potentially have a roleblocker (who i might accidentally call a "hooker" as habit from epicmafia, just a heads up), the mafia doesn't actually need to kill a power role to nullify it. they can hook it all game and go after other townies since a confirmed DT that can't provide reports is worse than the possibility that there's a DT out there somewhere. a DT should only *definitely* claim if he's got a guilty when there are TWO mafia left. there are no millers in any set-up so his reports will be 100% accurate, and narrowing us down to 1 mafia from 2 (especially if that means a 50% chance at hitting a roleblocker if there is one) is better than sacrificing his power to get a single goon. IMO. also i don't think it's safe to ignore any set-ups as possibilities. while it would certainly make for a less "fun" game, there's strategic merit in every set-up including the almost all-'nilla set-up. just "assuming" we have blue roles would benefit the mafia, as we may wait for a medic save or detective report that never comes  for reference on this page, these are the possible set-ups: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town. 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town. For example this first post. This post makes perfect sense if he is the medic. He only talks about the setup with a roleblocker, because if there is a DT, there's also a roleblocker. ARGH! guys!!! This roleclaiming was pretty stupid... But not nearly as stupid as this OUT OF CONTROL accuses by aprudds! If you are town, then you are the reason for us losing this game! Now mafia has every information about the setup they require to fool us completely... | ||
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at first, he just makes some useless posts, no accuses, just a little bandwagoning here and there. In fact he first voted on Drazerk, switched to gtrsrs and switched again to aprudds. Not a reason to call him scum (I also switched twice :D) What made me consider that he's mafia is his recent behavior. Since people started accusing him, he changed dramatically: + Show Spoiler + On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote: looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play. Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave. It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia. Note this: "Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave." .... third person... Well I don't know, I might be wrong, but I think he meant: "You idiots, I didn't act suspicious at all." Also this: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him. Also this one. "you call me scum? You are scum yourself!" All in all, Xedat is the most obvious choice even more than Drazerk and gtrsrs. I am not sure about both. They were both under heavy pressure and posted some suspicious/strange things... ##vote: Xedat | ||
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On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote: Umm what??? I got RB'd......?? So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim. What just happened? oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that | ||
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Xedat/Drazerk/Alderan/CjrNinja/Treadmill I really don't know what to think about you guys. I just see you guys bandwagoning around. But we can't just lynch you all in a small game like this. We are 2 lynches away from losing. You guys have to realize this! Can you please post some more thought out posts? It would really help us. We have to stick together in order to beat the mafia at this point. If everyone is only interested in surviving, we can't and won't win this. Xedat, it would be great if you post some explanations for your behavior. Especially the posts I quoted in my last post. + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2011 07:47 supersoft wrote: I have to agree, Xedat is pretty suspicious. I just went trough all his posts. at first, he just makes some useless posts, no accuses, just a little bandwagoning here and there. In fact he first voted on Drazerk, switched to gtrsrs and switched again to aprudds. Not a reason to call him scum (I also switched twice :D) What made me consider that he's mafia is his recent behavior. Since people started accusing him, he changed dramatically: + Show Spoiler + On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote: looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play. Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave. It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia. Note this: "Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave." .... third person... Well I don't know, I might be wrong, but I think he meant: "You idiots, I didn't act suspicious at all." Also this: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him. Also this one. "you call me scum? You are scum yourself!" All in all, Xedat is the most obvious choice even more than Drazerk and gtrsrs. I am not sure about both. They were both under heavy pressure and posted some suspicious/strange things... ##vote: Xedat I also would be really glad if someone could sum up the accuses against gtrsrs, that are still valid. He was accused of being too passive. Explanation for that would be, that he is our medic. Does someone have something real against him, or are his "voters" just scum that wants to create a suspicious situation around him by just voting him and claiming he's scum, hoping for a bandwagon? Pyo please, you seem pretty reasonable. Don't take this game too personal. You have to stay focussed. Work something out, and don't be just pissed about the fact, that gtrsrs wasn't lynched at day1. | ||
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I know, that I pushed two mislynches... Okay, aprudds wasn't a good choice right from the beginning, but it was a weird situation and I tried to save our medic (and I was right about this guy)... But I thought Xedat was 100% scum... Since today is the last chance for us to come back, I will read the whole thread again and try to find something apart from the whole DT/roleblock-Claimstory... Obviously we can't trust the DT that will now come forward... We don't know whether he's scum or not and we don't know whether Alderan is scum or not. Again: Since this is the last chance, don't overreact if someone roleclaims... He and Alderan could be mafia or they could be innocent. We don't know. And we can't afford a mislynch! These overeager decisions in the past, nearly costed us the game! Now calm down, its 4:3 we nearly have a 50% chance to one of them. | ||
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On June 24 2011 06:50 Pyo wrote: It wasn't so obvious until gtrsrs started running his mouth. Roleclaiming at night is not standard play hence "let me think of something." I will defend my lie by saying there was no downside to doing. Worst case scenario everyone sees through it and nothing changes, best case scenario if there is a DT/RB then I just gave the real DT a chance to save himself, and if there is no DT/RB, I gave gtrsrs a chance to save himself. Since I didn't get lucky, we're right where were before. Also the DT coming forward now is no more or less likely to be trusted than if I didn't claim DT. yes of course, that's right. The DTlie wasn't bad for us... It just dind't change anything that's exactly what I wanted to point out. | ||
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On June 25 2011 06:31 CjrNinja wrote: Pretty apparent that Alderan lied about being rb'd. Since noone has stepped forward and claimed dt, i'll be putting my vote here. ##vote: Alderan are you sure, that you didn't want to DTclaim, but abandoned it after seeing the epicfail of your buddy? :D | ||
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luckily I have a much better plan that lynching me and losing: Look at Alderans post. He wanted someone to claim DT. That means, that there must be a mafioso left, who could claim DT for him! Unfortunately for him, their plan was revealed. What happened now? obviously they abandoned their plan, because noone claimed! But let's have a look who didn't post/claimed something up to this point: Freeloader and CjrNinja. We have a 50/50 chance by now to get one of them now for sure! Since you guys probably don't trust me and think that I am mafia, I stop now with my analysis. Because if I were mafia I'd probably suggest the townie out of these two. I let you decide who to lynch out of these two + Show Spoiler + (I am not mafia and I really don't want to lose, I recommend CrjNinja - He is lurking all the time and bandwagoning. Very passive player, would have been a perfect blue. Now we know there isn't another blue, that points towards red! freeloader on the other hand is one of the more active players in here. But I think his fast vote on Drazerk this day wasn't thought out too well, not really protown, too) | ||
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if everyone is against all reason, I have to contervote against Drazerk and hope he's scum. Because I am not. | ||
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On June 27 2011 20:50 Treadmill wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 17:09 Drazerk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 15:08 freeloader625 wrote: Shhh... do you hear the crickets? What started off started off as pages full of spam and back and forths' is now reduced to a dead game? And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, "fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say. ##vote: Drazerk + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2011 07:00 Pyo wrote: See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out. Still possibly worked  But we need to all vote unanimously at the moment votes would be spread - Drazerk, Supersoft and Freeloader (aka Mafia win) I am going to hold my vote for now but we don't have an easy Mafia target like yesterday. Freeloader if you are town we CANNOT be voting for different people so I encourage you to change it or you will have lost us the game. If you don't change it your pretty much scum leading them into a easy win Good grief, Drazerk. Its posts like this that made me think you scum in the first place. You're right, we need to build a consensus. You know what that requires? Voting. At this point in the game, delaying your vote will only help the mafia game the system. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 19:24 supersoft wrote: Yes of course. Lynch me for no reason. This will win us the game for sure. Just reread day one, when you all voted on gtrsrs. I was the only one who put in some effort and read his postings. All of you were just bandwagoning around blindly. We can't afford another mislynch. luckily I have a much better plan that lynching me and losing: Look at Alderans post. He wanted someone to claim DT. That means, that there must be a mafioso left, who could claim DT for him! Unfortunately for him, their plan was revealed. What happened now? obviously they abandoned their plan, because noone claimed! But let's have a look who didn't post/claimed something up to this point: Freeloader and CjrNinja. We have a 50/50 chance by now to get one of them now for sure! Since you guys probably don't trust me and think that I am mafia, I stop now with my analysis. Because if I were mafia I'd probably suggest the townie out of these two. I let you decide who to lynch out of these two + Show Spoiler + (I am not mafia and I really don't want to lose, I recommend CrjNinja - He is lurking all the time and bandwagoning. Very passive player, would have been a perfect blue. Now we know there isn't another blue, that points towards red! freeloader on the other hand is one of the more active players in here. But I think his fast vote on Drazerk this day wasn't thought out too well, not really protown, too) So we are all morons because we band-wagonned gtrsrs, whereas you have the distinction, night one, of having.... bandwagonned Aprudds? Um. Right.' + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable...... Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game. There are 2 scenarios to how this happened. Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning. The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it? Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place. It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose. If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight. Alderan was not looking for someone to claim DT. He was clearly scum, and knew he was being bussed (it was 100% clear that he was scum here, in retrospect - had he actually been role-blocked he would have been certain there was a DT, not wishy-washy). Had the mafia, as you propose, planned for one of them to claim DT at this point Alderan's point would have been much more certain in that direction. Also it would have happened before he posted this. You're really grasping at straws here. I just went from maybe 90% sure on you to 95%. Thanks for the words about Cjr. Helps point the way to the third member of your club. if you read my posts, you would see that I only tried to save our medic. You only contributed by proposing a ridiculous plan right at the start of the game! Drazerk you have to trust me. I am town. I don't think you are scum. CrjNinja most likely is scum! his buddy is treadmill or freeloader. I don't know. but we have to get scum today. Help me ##unvote ##vote: CrjNinja | ||
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On June 28 2011 02:19 Drazerk wrote: At the moment all our votes are spread which is exactly what they want + Show Spoiler + Supersoft : 2 Drazerk Treadmill Drazerk : 1 Freeloader CrjNinja : 1 Super soft Guys unless we actually focus someone down we lose ... no Ifs or buts Free loader your vote is pointless at the moment and carries no weight change it or your Mafia scum Also Ninja don't think we have not forgotten about you... If I don't hear something from you soon I will also hunt you down Yeah, do you want to contribute and analyze something or do you keep making completely useless posts. Everyone knows the votecounts so far. There are 5 players left. It's not that difficult. And excuse me for spreading my vote. You may understand, that I don't vote against myself. I'd appreciate your point of view on the whole thing. Do you agree with me? if you disagree, why? | ||
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supersoft, drazerk, treadmill VS. freeloader, crjninja or supersoft, drazerk, freeloader VS. treadmill, crjninja These two set-ups are in my opinion the most reasonable set-ups. Treadmill had a slight relation to crjninja at day1. supersoft, drazerk, crjninja VS. freeloader, treadmill This set-up is very unlikely the real set-up, I read through the whole thread and there is no connection between these two guys... They also don't agree today and i'd have been easy for them to get one of us lynched if they would have been working together. Because of this and my explanation before, I am convinced that crjninja is scum and the perfect lynch for today. if we are lucky, we may see something out of the votingbehavior of the other two fellows, to seal the deal. | ||
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and yes, cjrninja comes out of lurking, but he doesn't give us anything. He doesn't defend himself and he doesn't post any reasons for his actions. He just accuses people, that were accused before. He even doesn't vote. my vote stays on him. | ||
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On June 28 2011 08:47 CjrNinja wrote: Feel free to point out 'my actions'. All I see from your accusations is that I've been lurking. read the thread. | ||
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On June 27 2011 19:24 supersoft wrote: Yes of course. Lynch me for no reason. This will win us the game for sure. Just reread day one, when you all voted on gtrsrs. I was the only one who put in some effort and read his postings. All of you were just bandwagoning around blindly. We can't afford another mislynch. luckily I have a much better plan that lynching me and losing: Look at Alderans post. He wanted someone to claim DT. That means, that there must be a mafioso left, who could claim DT for him! Unfortunately for him, their plan was revealed. What happened now? obviously they abandoned their plan, because noone claimed! But let's have a look who didn't post/claimed something up to this point: Freeloader and CjrNinja. We have a 50/50 chance by now to get one of them now for sure! Since you guys probably don't trust me and think that I am mafia, I stop now with my analysis. Because if I were mafia I'd probably suggest the townie out of these two. I let you decide who to lynch out of these two + Show Spoiler + (I am not mafia and I really don't want to lose, I recommend CrjNinja - He is lurking all the time and bandwagoning. Very passive player, would have been a perfect blue. Now we know there isn't another blue, that points towards red! freeloader on the other hand is one of the more active players in here. But I think his fast vote on Drazerk this day wasn't thought out too well, not really protown, too) this. | ||
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