Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IV

Okay, I will try to defend myself, but as most of you have red glasses on when reading my post I don't think this game will be possible to win for town.

supersoft asked me to answer his post so I will do that first:

On June 21 2011 07:47 supersoft wrote:
I have to agree, Xedat is pretty suspicious. I just went trough all his posts.

at first, he just makes some useless posts, no accuses, just a little bandwagoning here and there. In fact he first voted on Drazerk, switched to gtrsrs and switched again to aprudds. Not a reason to call him scum (I also switched twice :D)
What made me consider that he's mafia is his recent behavior. Since people started accusing him, he changed dramatically:

On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote:
looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me.
Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon."
Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way?
Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play.

Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave.

It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia.

Note this: "Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave." .... third person... Well I don't know, I might be wrong, but I think he meant: "You idiots, I didn't act suspicious at all."

Referring to town in third person is pretty normal and I just copied other players. It is the same as if I had said "please everyone".

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On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote:
So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too?
Why don't you say anything about appruds?
Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.

Also this one. "you call me scum? You are scum yourself!"
All in all, Xedat is the most obvious choice even more than Drazerk and gtrsrs. I am not sure about both. They were both under heavy pressure and posted some suspicious/strange things...

I call the person I find most scummy scum, not because he calls me scum, but that has something to do with it. I know I am not scum and now we know appruds is not scum, crninja is inactive but not that scummy, me not changing my vote from Drazerk might have been a mistake, but at that moment I did not find him scummy, now I am undecided.
So between 4 players where he thinks 3 are 100% scum I know 2 are not 100% one is simply inactive and about one I am unsure. Of course I think it is scummy for him to just accuse everyone, as it makes a bad atmosphere for discussion. Also I know that he sucks in his analysis because I know that he is wrong at least 50% of the time, which is not much better than random lynching.

##vote: Xedat

Again, I want to reiterate that town wants to have a lot of discussion, with everyone having to say useful things so that no one can hide between the inactives. Supersoft, you just told me I accused gtrsrs of being scum because he accused me, but look at gtrsrs' posts. Everyone who defends me or drazerk in the slightest way or even just disagrees with him is immediately told that he is scum. How many people did gtrsrs accuse by now? He is trying to make a bad atmosphere for discussion and tries to make himself the leader, a clear scum play.

Also, I want to explain why everyone voting for Lord Vatti is a bad idea and a scum plan:
The game mafia lives from discussion and analyzing peoples posts and votes for their intentions.
Gtrsrs says that we lose a player when we not lynch the inactive one. This is only correct on the surface. In reality what we want is information. Consider these three scenarios and think for yourself which is best for town:

Day 1, 13 players, no discussion, no information (this is the start)

Day 2, 11 players, we all lynched the modkill, so no discussion, no information (its like the start with 2 less town)

Day 2, 10 players, we lynched the scummiest one, lots of discussion, lots of information (If you don't think this is best for town you are scum.)

If anyone still thinks that gtrsrs' plan was great he should over think it.

Now to gtrsrs' accusations. I am referring to this post, Its in the spoiler.

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On June 22 2011 03:07 gtrsrs wrote:

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really now, do you?
it's funny that you say "still" because as far as i can tell you've never actually thought i was scum
let's take a stroll through your posts shall we

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didn't notice this til now. why would a town ever need to know this? not enough to be suspicious of someone but it sure does lend credibility to my case.

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bolded blue noted for later

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these two posts reek of scummy wishy-washiness. he fake accuses Drazerk and then before anyone can take it seriously, he backs off it. "oh no no i wasn't actually accusing him lol LET'S WAIT FOR SCUM TO SLIP"

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"wait for scum to slip? that's the dumbest thing anyone's ever said lol!! oh, it was exactly what i said in my last post? PANIC VOTE"

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see my post earlier (here) for why this solidified Xedat as scum in my eyes. Drazerk offered NO defense whatsoever, nothing even resembling a defense, but Xedat was all too happy to pull his vote off his scumbuddy now that the pressure was on me instead. with only a handful of posts, none of which have ANY substance, Xedat "doesn't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore". el oh el.

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wishy washy much? as soon as i claim medic, which you'll remember he asked blues to do ealier in the thread he pulls his vote off me and puts it on aprudds, who is just an over-eager townie. now remember, mafia knows who is town. as long as *someone* was getting lynched, mafia doesn't care. that's why Xedat has been so adamant about lynching someone today instead of doing the smart thing and voting for Lord Vatti.

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an interesting change in position seeing as you told blues to claim if they were being lynched.

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really? last post you said i was scum if aprudds flipped green. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF WISHY-WASHY SCUM, TRYING TO SPREAD CONFUSION

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no, xedat, this is why you lynch the guy who's already going to die. instead of starting with 2 dead townies, we start with 3 and lose a mis-lynch. but of course mafia sees this as a good thing.

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a nice juicy contradiction-filled post. let's break it down
a. 5 posts ago i was town. 3 posts ago i was scum. 2 posts ago i was not scum. now i'm scum again.
b. no, being one of the first people to vote for someone after the initial vote is the DEFINITION of "jumping on a bandwagon," sorry.
c. now i'm town again, as long as it clears Xedat?
d. "If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. " but you don't think i'm the medic. you think i'm scum. but not enough to actually vote for me?

is anyone else reading this?

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who is mafia in my books? Xedat, Drazerk and then someone else. i can't tell if Pyo is being a bad sport or a clever mafia. thinking back, it's unlikely for all three mafia to jump on the bandwagon immediately, that would be too obvious. so i'm feeling CjrNinja less and less. it's still a possibility however.

as for saying things about aprudds, don't gloss over my posts. IMMEDIATELY after Drazerk jumped ship off me and onto aprudds, i asked people to take their votes of aprudds. it was an extremely blatant scumtell and the town didn't pick up on it. i feel bad for aprudds. he was trying to play like me in a situation where it was unneeded, and it made HIM look really scummy. you and Drazerk orchestrated a voteswing at the last minute before people could pull their votes off of aprudds.

town, to me it is very obvious that Xedat is scum. i think Drazerk is as well, but i feel like Xedat is the better vote here. i know this now looks like 2 days in a row that i've soft-defended Drazerk, but that's not the case i swear. hopefully this is enough for you guys to put your vote on the obvious mafia

##vote: Xedat

His first accusation, me wanting information what mafia can do when they die is also an obvious scumtell. He tries to incriminate me with playing mafia style for asking questions, well guess what this was before the roles were even sent to the players. I bit this was only a mistake by gtrsrs (not) and he did not try to make his case against me better by lying (he did). I can only quote mafia master Ace, when he said:
" Priority 0: Shoot liars. Some players still try and spin these stupid fairy tales saying that lying helps the town. They also believe Voldemort is real. Don't listen to them. Without going in depth about why lying is bad just follow this statement - SHOOT first."
This refers to vigilantes, but is still relevant for town.

I wont break down his whole post, I will describe to you how I experienced day 1 so you can read my intentions:

First I accuse Drazerk a bit, without him having said anything really incriminating, to get discussion going. I stop after 3 posts or so because his posting seemed pretty normal and tell him I just accused him for getting a discussion going. Pyo seems to have picked on to something and votes for him, I also vote for him as the second? person to put him under pressure. (did I think he was overly suspicious? No, and I already told you, this is important for getting discussion going.) Drazerk posts some more and I don't think we get anything more out of him, for the slight suspicion I had against him he did not respond very scummy.
On the other hand, there is one person who reacts very scummily to accusations against him. Its gtrsrs. Read through his posts when everyone votes for him. He is screaming like a wounded kitty thinking it is a lion. He accuses everyone and insults everyone desperatly trying to stay alive.
This seemed scummy to me because it is extremely anti town (bad atmosphere). His whole demeanor was that of a bloated ego mafia trying anything to stay alive.
Of course, I vote for him. ( gtrsrs tries to make it look like I just randomly jumped on bandwagons, which simply is not true. Every time I changed my vote the situation had changed significantly.)
Then, in a desperate last attempt to save himself he says he is the medic. To make the situation clear to you, I voted for gtrsrs, then went on the train with no internet to go to my parents to attend private matters.
At the evening, shortly before voting ends I have time to attend the game. I read most of the posts ( I think I didn't read page 15 before voting, no time) and see he claimed medic, while also saying me, Drazerk, appruds and crninja are the most obvious scum ("3 of them are 100% scum").
As I said I know I am not scum and I didn't think Drazerk was, I didn't think anything about crninja or appruds, so I looked for whom most people voted and it was appruds. Was this an educated decision of which I thought longly? No, I just wanted to save the medic. To make it clear, my vote was the one saving gtrsrs and I think had I not switched to the one with the highest votes after him (appruds) he would have been lynched regardless.
This was a crystal clear town move to save the medic.
But, on the other hand, there was his suspicious behavior, his reaction after being voted for, so I wrote that if appruds is town, gtrsrs is probably scum. When you have 2 clear candidates like appruds and gtrsrs, one or the other is scum most of the time, so I wrote what was my experience.

After appruds flipped town the next logical step was that gtrsrs is mafia, so I wrote that in the night.
Then I said that I still think that gtrsrs is mafia and I voted for him on the day.

To make it clear again, on the beginning of the day some people are voted for, the one that reacts the most ridiculously defensively is (which is very scummy) is gtrsrs, so I vote for him.
Then he claims medic, I save him by switching my vote to the next highest, saying gtrsrs scummy when appruds is town. This happens and I say it incriminates gtrsrs a lot, then voting for him.

Gtrsrs tries to make it look like I am "wishy washy", which means that I am unclear in my posting. In opposition of that I said he is scummy and only changed my vote for him when he claimed medic, then seeing that this was a mafia trick and saying I am still suspicious of him.
This is not wishy washy.

If there are any specific thing I should answer, ask them, but please don't try to read everything I say as if I can only be mafia, or everything I do will be in vain.

I hope I made my position clear.

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