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On June 10 2011 15:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok everyone, thank you for your patience. iGrok the Godfather has been lynched. Amazingxkcd will remain dead and the mafia will lose one KP for the night to compensate for a free DT kill. I’ve talked this over with several people and they feel this is the fairest, least disruptive way to deal with things. I apologize that this situation occurred; it was my sloppy vote counting which led to it. If you are unhappy with this decisions please PM flamewheel rather than bring it up in the thread
I'm ok with this outcome and smugly fist-pumping while grinning to myself.
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On June 10 2011 15:30 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 15:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok everyone, thank you for your patience. iGrok the Godfather has been lynched. Amazingxkcd will remain dead and the mafia will lose one KP for the night to compensate for a free DT kill. I’ve talked this over with several people and they feel this is the fairest, least disruptive way to deal with things. I apologize that this situation occurred; it was my sloppy vote counting which led to it. If you are unhappy with this decisions please PM flamewheel rather than bring it up in the thread I'm ok with this outcome and smugly fist-pumping while grinning to myself.
I guess that puts gtrsrs and myself in the clear as townies...
oh shit, i guess that also means we're probably dead unless the mafia decide to go fishing for blues.
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On June 10 2011 15:31 iGrok wrote:
Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now,
So long and thanks for all the fish!
gg dude, I hope you didn't take my getting in your face personally.
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On June 08 2011 13:26 Pyo wrote:
So they hit our vet? Or we have another medic who happened to protect the right person. I disagree with Treadmill. If you were medic saved or vet, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!!!! Keep them guessing whether you are the vet or whether we have a third medic. Town doesn't need to know that information only mafia would want you to reveal yourself.
Going back over the posts, I think I was actually quite wrong about this. The person who hit (if they were hit) should come forward, but should not say whether they are a vet or whether they got medic-protected. I was being overzealous at the time. Whew, there, I got that off my chest.
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On June 10 2011 13:49 Senj wrote:
Wow. I couldn't have been more wrong about anyone this game.
wrong about whom?
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Given that the vote for iGrok was so close, if we give the mafia the benefit of the doubt that they aren't stupid and wouldn't kill off their GF if they didn't have to, I think it's safe to say that all the people who voted for iGrok are town-aligned.
Pyo, Gtrsrs, Sprungjeezy, Kurumi, Supersoft, CjrNinja, omgCRAZY, Xedat, Kairo, monsterDrakar, TranceStorm, Drazerk, freeloader625
I'm working on going post by post for the remaining players:
Munk-E, Senj, Cherubael, Blackone, Treadmill, grush57, Impervious, Alderan, 35spike1, TheAwesomeAll, Aprudds, Vain, Aril, teamsolid, Heist, Jackal58
for now, i'll just post about out Cherubael, who appears very scummy:
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Basically he is throwing out a lot of aggression/accusation in all of his posts but doesn't really commit to any of it. He also declares case against xkcd to be stronger than against iGrok without really saying why. Although there aren't really any obvious contradictions in his posting/voting, he is acting quite suspicious.
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On June 08 2011 15:11 heist wrote:
Let's assume iGrok is gf.
So you're saying that on the very first night, the mafia kills off deMorcef (definitely a pro-town vibe poster) primarily because he has consistently sided with iGrok? Keeping the people who believe in iGrok alive seems much more sensible than killing one off just to provide some "cred". I'm really doubting iGrok is gf if we have to assume the mafia killed off a consistent town supporter of the gf.
Just came across this post by heist. I don't know if he made it just to contradict me (from his posting, it's clear he doesn't like me very much), but I find this interesting, because iGrok getting flipped GF means that this is exactly what the mafia did.
Not saying that heist is scum, but he definitely was very quick to defend iGrok.
He was also among the first (but not the first) to really draw attention to xkcd.
here is his full post history:
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I'd like to say that he is scum, but it might simply be that he doesn't like me very much - it's hard for me to know that my judgement isn't clouded by personal bias.
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On June 10 2011 18:13 Xedat wrote:
Okay, it might just be my opinion but your posts are directly influencing mafia htis. What if mafi awanted to kill 35spike1 or apprudds (I don't think they will hit Treadmill as he is under suspicion).
Please save your critical posts that could influence mafia.
Also, we should go over amazingxkcd's post and also check who were the people that awnted him lynched the most.
oops, didn't see this. oh well, I guess I'll wait till the end of the night to post the rest of my analyses.
I will add, however, that we should also look at those who quick to defend or divert attention away from iGrok.
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On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman.
i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie.
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On June 10 2011 20:39 Drazerk wrote:
Even though it was close i would not rule any of them out yet even though it was close if I was mafia I would lynch the gf to remove suspicion from my self for later in the game
The iGrok - dont lynch + xkcd lynch list is a pretty good place to start for now
I'm not so sure that's a good idea. I mean it's really hard to tell if iGrok's list was intended to manipulate or just a random list or a list of people he put together analyzing the situation as if he was town.
I guess I'll also add that my suggestion of exonerating those that voted for iGrok was contingent on the assumption that the mafia would be playing optimally/intelligently, but that can be called into question if they actually did double hit GGQ day 1 after having seen two medics get killed.
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On June 10 2011 20:53 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 20:01 Pyo wrote:On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman. i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie. These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad.
Yep, Jimbooo is totally my scum buddy. Oh wait, he's already been modkilled and flipped green. If anyone is being suspicious and isn't anything to the game, it's you. In case it isn't clear, you just suggested to vigi kill someone who is already dead and flipped green.
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On June 10 2011 20:53 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 20:01 Pyo wrote:On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman. i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie. These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad.
Also, you are totally wrong here. The reason town doesn't like people who are suspicious is that they might incorrectly kill them, not because they want them dead!!!
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On June 10 2011 21:12 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 21:11 Pyo wrote:On June 10 2011 20:53 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 20:01 Pyo wrote:On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman. i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie. These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad. Also, you are totally wrong here. The reason town doesn't like people who are suspicious is that they might incorrectly kill them, not because they want them dead!!! People who are about to get killed start to get really talkative,You know? Unless they're scum. As iGrok has shown us.
so are you saying you are spamming because you are about to die? I'm utterly and completely confused by you.
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On June 11 2011 09:44 gtrsrs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2011 15:31 iGrok wrote:
Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now,
So long and thanks for all the fish! HOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMAD + Show Spoiler +god i feel vindicated. looks like my sleuth-nose didn't need to be blown, i had the scent from day 1. anyways the only person that is *actually* cleared at this point is [green]kurumi. i don't know if that's a good thing because it means we have no reason to lynch him and shut up his spamming now, but it's nice to have a poster to rally behind. that being said, i think this also clears up [green]pyo, myself, and potentially [green]sprungjeezy. it would be INCREDIBLY stupid to bus the godfather, and pyo and myself have been harping him since day 1. sprungjeezy jumped on a bit late but he was passionate and convincing. again, in a close vote like that, the mafia would have NO reason to bus their godfather. now we get onto the next part. i CANNOT believe that amazingxckd flipped blue of all things. i'm not too worried about it because he's a terrible player. in a close vote between 2 people where HIS ASS IS ON THE LINE, he voted for a third party. there are no words for that kind of stupidity. here's another thing. since we've now had this happen twice in 2 days. IF YOU ARE ON THE LYNCHING BLOCK AND YOU ARE A BLUE, CLAIM YOUR ROLE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i realize that somewhere in his novels amazingxkcd made a soft-claim on detective saying that he KNEW that kurumi was town. but do you honestly think that's enough? how many people actually read that shit? at best, half the town skimmed it. a much better approach would have been to post " I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT" because that would actually get read. and yes, it means that you *might* get killed by the mafia that night. but if you were going to die via lynch, it's better that we lynch someone else that could be mafia instead i just seriously don't understand what amazingxckd was accomplishing by voting for jackal. mind = blown at his stupidity. so where do we go from here? i think someone pointed out a couple pages ago that in a close vote race, it's incredibly unlikely that *any* mafia voted for iGrok. while it's not solid, and there's some major WIFOM to consider, i think that we should focus mostly on the people who voted for amazingxkcd for our analyses now and can we please keep them under 29034820932038 characters from now on? i don't know why TL.net players have this propensity to try to up each other, but you can say just as much in a 1-page essay as you can in a 10-page essay with the amount of fluff you guys write i'm out to play a couple games in a LoL tourney but i will be back to analyze some of the people who voted for amazingxkcd later. hopefully medics are considering protecting me and seriously, how mad do you guys think iGrok is right now?
No need to be an ass. Also, in defense of xkcd, he technically wasn't losing the lynch vote so I can understand why he didn't claim. I do feel a little bad for iGrok because the accusations against him really were arbitrary (we read his attempts at being manipulative more as him being a douche), which among more experienced players shouldn't have garnered the attention it did among newbies. Unfortunately, he didn't really respond to the pressure very well and ended up tipping off GGQ which is what ultimately swayed most of the town. In other words, I think more of the credit goes to GGQ for bringing forth the real evidence against him, rather than you or I for simply jumping on suspicious behavior.
As for your other points of keeping your posts short, organized and WELL FORMATTED, I agree completely. Same deal with your point about blues letting themselves get lynched.
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I noticed that 35spike, Kurumi, and Sprungjeezy are all signed up for mafia XLII even though they are still alive in this one. Is this allowed?
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On June 11 2011 13:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Impervious was cleaning his gun. He hated those scummy reds with a passion. He also happened to be a gun enthusiast who took great pride in his collection. He had his favorite Colt Anaconda stripped in front of him. As he was oiling the gun he suddenly heard a noise behind him. “Nice collection” growled a sinister voice. Impervious’s heart went cold. He looked at his dissembled gun and realized he had no chance. A cold chuckle filled his ears. The town found his body the next morning.
Jackal58 was playing his guitar in his basement. He was feeling pretty good about the game so far, the godfather was dead and he was sure the mafia was reeling. He was playing pretty loudly and consequently didn’t hear the person enter his basement. He slammed out one last chord and turned his amp off. A voice reached his ears “you’re dead” it said flatly. Jackal spun around just in time to meet a silenced bullet through his head.
Jackal58 the townie has been killed
Impervious the vigilante has been killed
lol, nice day post. Too bad about Jackal and imperivous. I'm surprised mafia went after him considering how much suspicion he had garnered in the last day cycle.
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On June 11 2011 12:11 TranceStorm wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm assuming that quite a few people will be posting their "in case I die thoughts". I will be doing the same right now by declaring my extreme suspicion for Vain. Looking at his previous game history, he played in Slightly Normal Mini Mafia I. In this game, he was the doctor and aided greatly in the town's victory. Notice that in that game, although he was accused of lurking and was a heavy lynch target throughout the day, he responded to the pressure placed upon him very well and helped the town win. In that game, he posted without fear, pointing out logical fallacies in other people's arguments, making witty comments (often one-liners), and accusing other players freely. This game, however, he is far more cautious and reticent in all of his posts. Note that he only ever speaks about the players most hotly debated at the moment and only throws small support behind lynching one of the candidates. In fact, the only matter which he seems to strongly support is iGrok's innocence. The first point of suspicion against him is here: + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 02:56 Alderan wrote:On June 07 2011 02:53 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:43 Vain wrote:On June 07 2011 02:31 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:11 Vain wrote:
Ok, i finally finished reading. Man, sleeping is bad for keeping up with a mafia game.
First off: Kurumi is probably town if he also spammed this much in a previous game where he was scum. I don't know his style very good but he is drawing way too much attention to be a comfortable mafia.
I don't quite understand this. So Kurumi is probably town because he's acting the same way he did when he was mafia before? Euh, i meant town. Jackal stated that when he was town he's just as hard to analyze. Iirc he was not scum the other games Jackal played with him. + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going. AmazingxkcdI've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts.
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:
interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.
@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.
You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town. @iGrok and @Jackal58; I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58. About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion. Kurumi was town in XXXIX. Lynched day one for posting nonsensically for the first half of the day. He has improved significantly from that game believe it or not. He is also still playing in PTP mafia and is a self proclaimed SK. Ok, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I'm starting to see how Kurumi could be a townie, but I could also see him as a scum who felt the pressure and is trying to change his tune. I still don't thing he should be lynched today. I'm trying to think of who should be, but I really don't know :/ But you agree that it shouldn't be freeloader? Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). iGrok puts him on the top of his don't lynch list yet Vain had not been too particularly active in that period. My second point of suspicion (and my strongest one) is my earlier post against him: + Show Spoiler +On June 10 2011 10:04 TranceStorm wrote:@Vain. I'm not particularly concerned about your defense of Lafali. My question regards your vote for rookie on day1. You first post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=28#554 concluding that Jackal's analysis of rookie was not sufficient. I'm cutting this out of your post here: Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 07:39 Vain wrote:
It was true that he was asking for information but proposing that we should have a strategy doesn't really ring a scum bell for me. Then later, you switch your vote to rookie roughly an hour later saying: Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 08:28 Vain wrote:On June 07 2011 08:23 Impervious wrote:Alright, I'm back, and I've read the last ~10 pages to try to get myself up to date. I've probably missed something, but I think I have a good idea on what's going on so far. On June 07 2011 04:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Impervious???? Bah. Obviouscum. I'll be keeping an eye on you. Scum. Btw - GREEN AND YELLOW!!!!! Ok, now, from what I've seen, I think Jackal's plan is best. I've seen a bunch of "newbie" posts, but that one seriously hinted at finding blues, as well as finding flaws in previously used investigative strategies. While it may be a "newbie" type post, it also answers a question I ask myself whenever I'm looking at someone - Are they acting in the best interest of the town? My gut feeling is "no", even though he has so few posts. And, rather than pick on lurkers for the sake of picking on lurkers (since they'll likely be modkilled at some point), I think our best move at the moment is to lynch rookie44. Ok, i guess you're right. His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. So with that my vote will also be on Rookie for the sake of voting. 4 hours remaining but i'm going to bed so my vote is final. Goodnight Only roughly an hour passed between these two posts. During this period, rookie had not posted and no one had brought up any new reasons as to why to vote for rookie.Yet you vote for rookie on the basis that: "His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. " That in no way is a justification to vote to lynch someone. Simply because they didn't contribute should not justify a vote and considering that there were other candidates with significant evidence against them (which you seem to ignore), it seems highly suspicious that you jump right to rookie's vote when you earlier argued that he "didn't ring your scum bell". I had done this earlier in the thread where I had questioned him regarding why he voted for rookie when he had declared an hour before that rookie wasn't particularly suspicious. His reasoning in the thread was that he "hadn't contributed anything at all", which is a poor reason to lynch anyone. He has still yet to explain his reasoning behind the rookie lynch and I find that damning. The third point comes from this quote, which Vain belatedly posts near the end of yesterday's lynch: + Show Spoiler +On June 10 2011 09:43 Vain wrote:
So basing off this i would believe very strongly Kurumi is town. There was no real reason for him to attack lafali this hard on day one. The plan could have easily backfired. Also i'm not sure about iGrock now but i can't get one thing out of my head. Remember the whiteboard iGrok posted? why the fuck would you have such a thing if you are mafia? I just can't believe he just painted arrows that had to be right just to give us an insurance he was town(otherwise hats off to you iGrok). Furthermore the list pleads for Xedat for him emphasizing kurumi thought lafali was scum. And as last this puts a bit of suspicion on Trancestorm for diverting to jimboo. you may conclude some other things from the list but it gets more and more speculation on the way(was it all setup or not). Now last but not least my vote goes to jackal. I believe iGrok or jackal have to be scum. There has to be at least one experienced player in the mafia camp in my opinion. I have my doubts about iGrok but i feel jackal has more things against him(saving lafali) so my vote will go with him. You make your own choice, it would be very bad if we bandwagoned in a short time again.
This post is enormously confusing, but boils down to two arguments. Vain doesn't think iGrok is mafia because he drew up those diagrams (a very weak argument), and Jackal is probably mafia because he saved lafali (a valid one). Yet note the hesitancy in this post. Vain votes Jackal on the basis that he is a better candidate than iGrok rather than on the basis that he really thinks Jackal is the mafia. Vain's carefulness is really different from his free-posting behavior in his previous game which makes me think that he is definitely mafia. It would be extremely prudent to pressure Vain on his vote on rookie and on his reasoning for his continuous defense of iGrok throughout the game.
I'll also add that iGrok made an attempt to classify Vain as "experienced" earlier on in day 1.
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On June 11 2011 13:23 freeloader625 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 13:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Impervious was cleaning his gun. He hated those scummy reds with a passion. He also happened to be a gun enthusiast who took great pride in his collection. He had his favorite Colt Anaconda stripped in front of him. As he was oiling the gun he suddenly heard a noise behind him. “Nice collection” growled a sinister voice. Impervious’s heart went cold. He looked at his dissembled gun and realized he had no chance. A cold chuckle filled his ears. The town found his body the next morning.
Jackal58 was playing his guitar in his basement. He was feeling pretty good about the game so far, the godfather was dead and he was sure the mafia was reeling. He was playing pretty loudly and consequently didn’t hear the person enter his basement. He slammed out one last chord and turned his amp off. A voice reached his ears “you’re dead” it said flatly. Jackal spun around just in time to meet a silenced bullet through his head.
Jackal58 the townie has been killed
Impervious the vigilante has been killed
Why would you ever take the time to clean your gun?!? This game is too dangerous for that! Jokes aside, how do you guys come up with this role play scenarios? I'm just curious.
manatees, right? jk, 
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