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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 19 2011 20:00 deconduo wrote: Any suggestions for PTP2? No list checks, incorporate pick their penalty, and shoot whoever gave me my role. Most wtf batman role I have ever seen. ALthough I didn't live to use my role into a night phase, the single best aspect of it was the rival condition bum had to meet if I died making me essentially unkillable via mafia. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On June 19 2011 22:50 Eternalmisfit wrote: I think that list checking roles are just too powerful based on PTP and PYPI. This could have been handled in a couple of ways: 1. Make lists check return # of town instead of # of mafia. This would give the DT mafia + 3rd party in list which makes it harder to determine the scum exactly. 2. Reduce/Restrict number of list-checks. I also think that if we had 3 assassins instead of 1 SK as Jackal was fake-claiming, the game would have been much closer for the mafia. 2 third party seemed quite low to me. Finally, posting restrictions are fine and dandy but it becomes kind of annoying if too many people have those or these restrictions are too strong. It was impossible to determine Amber's alignment sans DT check and Torte might have been caught faster if not for him being restricted by 7 posts. Well, that is all as far as my suggestions are concerned and since I am not the most experienced, someone of these might not be good too. That pretty much sums up my thoughts. Just like GM said, we relied way too much on votecheck lists instead of doing real analyzing. And Amber's post restrictions imo were hilarious but it was a little too much. Maybe if he was a werewolf instead, so that we could actually communicate  I'm happy the role I created was actually useful. I was afraid that Desk was going to get vigi'd and he wouldn't reveal scum. I have to say you put on a great show GM. Towards the last 2 days of the game I was starting to get suspicious and I was going to target you, in case I died, but I really wanted to see if I was right about steff/Karshe >.> Lol, sadly I was wrong. But you were definitely right about PM Land. I trust people way too easily. I really look forward to the next game =D | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No list checks, incorporate pick their penalty, and shoot whoever gave me my role. Most wtf batman role I have ever seen. ALthough I didn't live to use my role into a night phase, the single best aspect of it was the rival condition bum had to meet if I died making me essentially unkillable via mafia. -_- Batman You are Batman. You are the hero (insert city name here) deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So the town hunts you because you can take it. You are a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight. Role-claming as Batman at any point of the game will get you lynched. However, since you are well disguised as Bruce Wayne, role checks on you come back as Playboy Millionaire. Every night you go ahead and protect the first person being targeted by a KP. However, you are truly incorruptible and do not let scum die out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness and thus protect that person regardless of their alignment. The Joker does not want to kill as you are too much fun. Thus, you are immune to kills from the regular mafia KP. Notes: 1. Batman’s protection ability does not work on himself if he is the first person targeted by the kill ability. 2. The ‘bulletproof’ ability only works on regular mafia KP. It does not work on role-KP of other mafia members (since all mob members do not agree with Joker). Also, town KP (vigi-hits) can kill Batman. This was the original role I made (I did not know there was Joker in the game.. it was just added for fluff in text). Decon removed the mafia KP immune part and added the Joker link (retirement etc) later on w/o informing me. I made a role which could be used both as town and scum as the KP protect could have been used wisely by scum as well to save from vigi-hits. On that note, it would be nice to know who made the roles for whom. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:53 Eternalmisfit wrote: -_- This was the original role I made (I did not know there was Joker in the game.. it was just added for fluff in text). Decon removed the mafia KP immune part and added the Joker link (retirement etc) later on w/o informing me. I made a role which could be used both as town and scum as the KP protect could have been used wisely by scum as well to save from vigi-hits. On that note, it would be nice to know who made the roles for whom. Honestly the biggest beef I had was the name of batman. Had I not had that listed I would have been an not good not bad role. Saying I was batman though meant I should have had something else to my power. Making me able to choose who to save out of whoever was hit at night would have done it or giving me a kp ability or the like. The name batman implies badass beyond belief  | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
You are the Paranoid Paratrooper. You can choose to spend a night in your plane, immune to all night actions. On the first night you are visited, you gun down anybody visiting you at night. If you get hit by a vigilante, you both die in the firefight. If mafia targets you, whoever sent in the list dies with you. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
2nd coloumn in the spreadsheet is who that person picked the role for. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly the biggest beef I had was the name of batman. Had I not had that listed I would have been an not good not bad role. Saying I was batman though meant I should have had something else to my power. Making me able to choose who to save out of whoever was hit at night would have done it or giving me a kp ability or the like. The name batman implies badass beyond belief Orly??? ![[image loading]](http://www.games.net/features/images/106502_2.jpg) | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Thanks for hosting, it's a busy set-up but I'll definitely be around for PTP2. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
It´s next to impossible to balance the game without considering the roles. Either adjust the setup based again after the roles were all sent in or switch roles around as needed. Latter would mean you can´t tell people who they pick for. For the former, I suggest adding more 3rd party if the balance seems off. I was baffled when I found out there were only 2 SKs. In my opinion, either scum would have needed to be nearly all killing roles or 4+ third party, 3 assassin, 1-2 sk. Had pro town players not shot like mad all game long, this would have been way onesided. Let´s say 24 town vs 8 scum. It would take 8 nights without saves and 8 mislynches for scum to win. On the counterside it could have been all over night 2 had all the townside kp luckily hit. When scum have to rely on town to selfdestruct with all their combined firepower, I wouldn´t call that balance. Nothing personal decon. The game was still fun | ||
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DropBear
Australia4396 Posts
Keep the game in the thread. Torte de Lini was being hassled when he posted in other forums. Noone should have to put up with that any time they post outside the Mafia forum. It's distasteful. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
I think giving me an invincible role (or a near invincible role) is somehow bad for me because I fell into a anti-town playstyle both times I had a killproof role: This game and sleeper cell. The reason for it in sleeper cell was to draw hits but in this game i was quiet not because i wanted to draw hits but because I was never in any danger of getting lynched. :/ I think it is somehow crucial to my motivation in games like this to be in danger of dying... I'm not sure why but I find it hard to focus on the game if I'm not at l-1 at all times. So please everyone, if I ever act like I did in this game again and lurk my ass off (i was refreshing the thread constantly, I just wasn't posting) threaten to kill me or roleblock me so that mafia can kill me. I thought mafia played very well however. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On June 20 2011 16:21 DropBear wrote: One other thing I forgot to mention. Keep the game in the thread. Torte de Lini was being hassled when he posted in other forums. Noone should have to put up with that any time they post outside the Mafia forum. It's distasteful. That should be a general TL mafia rule... | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 20 2011 22:02 Amber[LighT] wrote: That should be a general TL mafia rule... Yeah, this was the only thing that happened in the game that I got pretty mad at. Everything else was fine, but keep the game in the game. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On June 20 2011 22:14 deconduo wrote: Yeah, this was the only thing that happened in the game that I got pretty mad at. Everything else was fine, but keep the game in the game. Can someone link this for me please? Sorry, I didn't really follow much of this game, but I want to see what you're talking about before I adjust anything in the model OP. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 20 2011 23:01 Qatol wrote: Can someone link this for me please? Sorry, I didn't really follow much of this game, but I want to see what you're talking about before I adjust anything in the model OP. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=181358¤tpage=5#95 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=228836#3 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=228836#17 | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On June 20 2011 22:03 Mataza wrote: When I proposed killing the shit out of you, you just left the game. Was I too late to threaten your life? Oh, no man. I went to bonnaroo. I wasn't that worried about getting killed, heh. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On June 20 2011 23:06 deconduo wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=181358¤tpage=5#95 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=228836#3 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=228836#17 Agreed. This is crossing a line. I don't have any problem with people pointing out that people are posting elsewhere but not in the mafia thread as long as they keep it in the mafia thread. Chasing people around the site is too much. Thanks for bringing that to everyone's attention, deconduo. | ||
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