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vyro
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vyro
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anyway, as others have already said... let's find those scum  | ||
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vyro
United States22 Posts
how are clues usually worked into the game? what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia? what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles what does a usual townie plan look like? thanks in advance | ||
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vyro
United States22 Posts
On April 23 2011 17:50 Conversion wrote: You want to read the OP for game-specific mechanics like clues. OP states that there are no clues in this game, so clues aren't included here. Any normal game with clues, however, usually incorporates something (sig, profile picture/info) into a night post. about that. lately, i haven't been able to expand spoilers. when i click "show spoiler", the page refreshes to the top, and the address bar has a pound sign in it. i'm using chrome 11 Posting less is considered detrimental to ideal town environment, where everyone is posting and contributing. Posting does not necessarily mean that one is pro town, however. Being inactive let's mafia blend in and it is why inactivity is frowned upon. Inactivity isn't really a sure mafia tell, but it is considered anti-town/scummy behavior. Lies to catch mafia.. I would suggest reading some mafia games where there were fake roleclaims that contradicted behavior/posts or something like that. Mafia actually falsely role claims often if it will pay off, though it's usually a very heavily calculated move. ok, i see. i guess i could understand why they would want to fake roleclaim. i'll be looking through those previous mafia games, however daunting it may seem. it'll be interesting to see how phelix defends himself if he ever shows up ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria | ||
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vyro
United States22 Posts
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vyro
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I don't understand? Can one not see the spoilers? something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. And try not to spam, it's considered anti-town/scummy behavior. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvote to help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems | ||
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vyro
United States22 Posts
so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night | ||
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vyro
United States22 Posts
##Vote HardCorey | ||
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vyro
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is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point? | ||
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vyro
United States22 Posts
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia? @freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on. bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle | ||
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vyro
United States22 Posts
There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts: 1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part) 2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. i guess this goes to show i shouldn't say everything off the top of my head, which has been stated before in a guide. for that i apologize, but isn't every townie afraid of being falsely accused as a mafia as is the case right now? i look consciously because i haven't done this before. and i hate to use that defense because it's a lame one, but it's the truth (lol how weak does that look). This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. i thought it would be helpful that the medic save someone beneficial. i guess that's pretty condescending to the medic's basic reasoning skills though. as it's pretty obvious who our important posters are. still need to learn how to balance open discussion with giving away too much information i guess. what are 'blatant' plays to you are not as blatant to me He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big. jaminz says no one's accused me of anything big, but then again no one's really been accused yet, ignoring enervate. and there has been a lot of suspicious floating around me, so yes there does seem to at least be a trend in suspecting me whereas others have been noted for purely their inactivity. again, the active players seem most pro-town to me, which would leave the 3 mafia among the 5 less active (phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, ascle) which is less likely statistically, which leads me to believe at least one of them is not actually a townie. but at the same time, i'm afraid to lose any of them (the actives) because a loss of their analysis is a major loss to this relatively inactive game. i really wish i hadn't posted my earlier stuff because in hindsight, they really weren't quality posts at all. even these later ones still aren't that great. but then again, this self-deprecation and self-consciousness and the open announcement of such haven't been helping either. and now that i've typed that all out, i still am not sure how to show that i'm not mafia. my actions that others have deemed questionable make sense, which again gives me some comfort that others have had suspicious. but now i'm afraid this makes it too easy for the mafia to join in and lynch me to avoid being spotlighted. should i have just posted an analysis of others rather than defend myself against a dead person? i'll post an analysis of others and suggest better lynch targets, but i really wanted to get this post out asap | ||
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vyro
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phelix: + Show Spoiler + has said very little besides voting to lynch inactives. early on this was ok, but no meaningful contributions at this point is a little irksome rising: + Show Spoiler + initially targets inactives. critical of enervate for not defending himself as stated in multiple posts. pokes around for information a lot which is pretty good, but some of his intuition is questionable to me. he considers fez and sirael townies off of very little information. the optimism may be from a pro-townie perspective. but as scum, he would find them least threatening. i tend to think it's the former (town) because he believes moderate activity could be indicative of a blue role fez: + Show Spoiler + votes enervate due to inactivity and unvotes after a weak explanation. also defends enervate a couple of times as jaminz piles on some accusations. enervate trusts fez afterwards. looks to others to initiate. i appreciate the fact that he doesn't want to bandwagon and vote me. his one major post casts doubt on rising, enervate, and me. with a little bit of doubt on phelix and ascle. seems pretty pro-town despite his defense of enervate (especially since he also still has doubts on him) sirael: + Show Spoiler + not sure where his confusion with jaminz comes from. the two posts he quotes on jaminz isn't really contradictory. maybe he (sirael) is the confused one, but he doesn't really point fingers at anyone until hardcorey becomes the most obvious inactive. nothing much to go on here. would like to see more posts from him to get a better opinion freestalker: + Show Spoiler + curious what would've happened had enervate not accused him and jaminz so early on. one of the first to make a summary post, mainly drawing attention to inactives and enervate. points out that it's doubtful all 3 mafia are lurkers, which i agree with. had some filler posts in between, but they were generally clarifying. in a lengthy post replying to jaminz, he responds reasonably and states he's not afraid to speak up because he has nothing to hide. wish he would format his posts more neatly though, replying within the quote you're replying to is messy. suspicious of sirael, enervate, and me strong townie vibe enervate: + Show Spoiler + starts off with an excuse for inactivity and a very unbacked don't vote for me. thinks mafia will post more than townies, which is unlikely after reading the more experienced members' posts and previous games. trusts fez. suspicious of jaminz and rising. obviously jaminz was townie. as for rising, as i stated before, i believe he's more likely a townie than scum. enervate's suspicion of these two raises questions. later bandwagons onto hardcorey following the logic to lynch inactives. following jaminz's death, he still suspects rising as well as me now. lots of finger pointing without much analysis. suspects one of the likelier townies. poor defense, definitely one of the scummier semi-actives conversion: + Show Spoiler + don't like his logic on investigating an inactive. if cop checks an active, his proposed scenarios are all the same. why not check an active who you could count on to discuss and participate. one of the first hugely substantive posts, much props there. his analysis of most in that post is to analyze and be more active. lots of scum reads, but still identifies probable townies. the paranoia seems town-ish. mildly defends enervate in favor of a lynch on hardcorey, but defends himself reasonably. hardcorey was just so absent :\ suspects sirael, enervate and me. same accusations as free. troublesome? but also stems from basic logic, so i'm on the side that they're both pro-town. if they were both scum, well we're pretty screwed. what's with all the itouch business anyway? i really don't care if you're on your itouch or not, just saying reads as town ascle: + Show Spoiler + voted enervate. claims a lot of the hardcorey votes were bandwagoners. also didn't note that i voted for hardcorey as well, a slight oversight? said very very little before jaminz's death. now suspects me? jaminz's last post pointing to me was posted 6 minutes before the end of the night phase. i'm curious how late night roles typically submit their actions. despite his suspicions on me, sticks with his initial vote to lynch enervate. not sure why he didn't pursue me further, but i guess i should be thankful. his analysis on me is kind of uneventful, it feels like he could keep assuming higher levels of thinking (e.g. he knows i know that he knows that i know...) despite the early inactivity, i don't regard ascle as scummy. his reaction to jaminz's post and my post seems appropriate of a townie summary: suspicious of enervate, sirael, and phelix apologies for the lack of activity. but these kind of posts always seem so time-consuming and daunting. however, i've committed to this game, and i want to stick to it. if people still have doubts on me, i'm more than happy to answer to them. | ||
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vyro
United States22 Posts
vote tally: sirael: 1 (freestalker) enervate: 4 (rising, ascle, conversion, vyro) i don't disagree with freestalker's vote, but i want to make sure a lynch on one of my reads goes through, and my 4th vote solidifies the lynch on enervate | ||
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