There needs to be some sort of balancing mechanic, because the game really snowballs out of control every time scum is lynched. Scum initially needs 3 mislynches to win, and an additional mislynch for every member they lose.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 17 2013 04:00 GMT

#563

On April 17 2013 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:

Show nested quote +

word yo.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Positive_Feedback

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 17 2013 04:07 GMT

#564

The no-flips part is like, murderous to town.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

April 17 2013 04:12 GMT

#565

On April 17 2013 13:07 yamato77 wrote:
The no-flips part is like, murderous to town.

But it also seems really un-fun =/

Feel free to convince me otherwise though

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 17 2013 04:17 GMT

#566

All players have the Vengeful trait, day ends when the lynched person uses their Vengeful power? And no flips? is that correct?

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 17 2013 04:20 GMT

#567

That sounds like an amazing game.

I would host it.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

April 17 2013 04:21 GMT

#568

no-flips + vengeful would be pretty interesting, in that it doesn't leave the town out to dry in terms of post-flip information.

I'll have to think about that.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 17 2013 04:25 GMT

#569

If you don't host that setup, I will.

I'm completely serious.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 17 2013 04:25 GMT

#570

depending on size, adding a Day Cop(or 2 imo) without confirmed sanity and a Scum Day Rolecop would help with the no flips aspect. Might be the only way to make the game playable.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 17 2013 04:32 GMT

#571

Any game I host is going to be small, because I hate long games as a player.

I was toying with the idea of having lynched players show no flip while shot players show their flip.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

April 17 2013 04:34 GMT

#572

On April 17 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
If you don't host that setup, I will.

I'm completely serious.

I'm seriously thinking about hosting it, but I want more input on the balance.

So far we got:
Instant-Majority
No-flips
No-NK's
Vengeful Mechanic

As far as blues go, I'm tempted to leave it as is. I really, really hate cops in mini's, especially in a format w/out NK's.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 17 2013 04:41 GMT

#573

Well how are you going to introduce new information in the thread? Going off a 9 player mountainous setup (7 Town vs 2 Scum, all vanilla) it's difficult for Town to win. Extrapolating to a setup with no power roles + Vengeful sounds incredibly difficult for Town.

If only Town has the Vengeful trait then No Flips doesn't matter, as every Town player will be proven innocent once lynched. Scum can't, and the Town will know when they have successfully lynched one. Maybe if only a few Townies have it then No Flips will work.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 17 2013 04:44 GMT

#574

this might be a good read

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vengeful_Mafia

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 17 2013 04:44 GMT

#575

What about SHOT players showing flip?

That's new information, but it isn't guaranteed. I like it.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 17 2013 04:54 GMT

#576

If Scum also get the vengeful trait then it would work. If only Town do then you're back at Square 1. Then it has to be other way around where lynches flip and players killed by Vengefuls don't.

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 17 2013 04:59 GMT

#577

Yeah, everyone vengeful, flips only if shot, and no NK.

6-3 setup, instant majority lynch.

Lets mafia POTENTIALLY shoot strong town leaders if they get lynched, but that would come at the cost of near-confirming the lynched person as mafia, while mafia can choose to deny town any sort of certainty by aiming for the low-hanging fruit, obscuring town's information.

Town, then, also have a way to stop scum momentum if they shoot correctly upon being mislynched, near-confirming themselves as town that died and trading 1-1.

I feel like it's a good setup. It'll have a lot of variation, but it gives mafia some tools they usually don't have, while nerfing crutches to mafia play like the NK. It would be an excellent learning experience.

MidnightGladius

China1214 Posts

April 17 2013 05:09 GMT

#578

Hmm, I might try this/slight variations out IRL, and I'll let you know how things go. Should be a fun change of pace from traditional games

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 17 2013 05:17 GMT

#579

If Town gets lynched and shoots another Town player they go into Day 2 at 4 vs 3.

From here it's 3vs3 if Town is lynched and now has to shoot:

50% chance of shooting Town turning it into 2Town vs 3Scum = game over.
50% chance of shooting Scum turning it into 3Town vs 2Scum. Best odds but not by much. Scum has traded 3 for 1 at this point and can still win with 1 missed shot. Town knows for sure that 1 Scum has died because the game is still going on. Good place for the game to be sort of.

I'd say this is the best case scenario for Scum and looks playable. Worst case for Town and still winnable.

Why is 6 v 3 better than 7 v 2 though?

yamato77

11589 Posts

April 17 2013 05:21 GMT

#580

To give scum more leeway. In most mini games, the game is carried essentially by one, maybe two good town players. Scum losing 1 of 3 to kill them off is more winnable than losing 1/2.