TL Mafia XXXVIII - Page 8

On April 12 2011 13:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
gmarshal you admit you're bad at scumhunting so can you trust me and just lynch kavdragon or at least barundar

On April 12 2011 14:04 Latrommi wrote:


Ok, there's suspicion. I get it. I had problems with getting the mafia forum's access, but got through with it enough to read a few pages before voting.

On April 12 2011 16:06 bumatlarge wrote:


I'm going to focus on how GM goes about the first day, as I feel that it's the clearest indication of his play and his meta.

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GM immediately establishes himself as a policy person, which is understandable. I can't really consider this post scummy alone. He talks about relevant things early in the game, but it's way too forced. Paragraphs to explain simple ideas. Pardoners are strong but they can be pro-town, being able to do exactly what their role entails. Bam first paragraph done. Lurkers are the best lynch.

Last part is so WIFOMy. I find if you come across something that leads to WIFOM, the best course of action is describe the situation and how it leads to WIFOM, and then drop it until it rears its ugly head in the game. Gmarshal is setting it in stone. No good.

How is anything I said there untrue again? yes there is a certain level of wifom involved if a mafia gets elected, however I think its safe to say that if the BG's died night one there would be suspicion cast on everyone elected, is that unreasonable? Also, yes I agree, I do establish myself as a policy person, because I realize that town keeps losing because it allows people to get away with stuff it shouldn't



I died in insane night 1, i thought the game started 24 hours earlier than it did, I was ready to start, yes, yes I was frustrated, problem?

Ha, mock frustration, this one line is worse then everything he said before. Kav is already on board. In fact let me show you what GM's post should have been.



Straightforward. Even though I disagree with things, this is so easy to respond to. I think we should lynch a lurker rather then an inactive Kav. I see your point on the pardoner Kav. DONE AND DONE. You really lynched Kav?

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But let me continue, Gmarshal could have gotten unlucky, he didn't know how to put those words out properly.



It reminds me of when I would get assigned a 500-word-essay in elementary school, and I'd do my best to say as much as possible while repeating the same idea different ways. If anyone does not see the evidence here, please inform me so I can clarify. I will do it with everyone of GM's posts if I have to.

Because there was sooo much to talk about night 0, you are right the post says nothing truly new, but kav wanted night 0 discussion, and I saw no reason to avoid it simply because it was obvious to me, a newer player might not see it as clearly



Seeing these posts as well does not win me over in the "Gm is obvious town" department. It seems fairly clear that GM is well aware of what he is doing.

I fail to see your point here, I made a relevant post, this makes me scum how?



I don't mean to divert, but are you serious Dr.H? You've defintely been reading Kav's posts, but I find it hard to believe you missed GM's. Massive FoS Doctor Mayor. This only helps my case.



recall what I said about how town should approach WIFOM. Textbook.

Dr.h asked a stupid question, I awnsered, what did you want me to reply to him? "uh... magic?"

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I'm not going to be accusing anyone based on the fact that they ran for mayor. I did that before when I was scum. Easiest mislynch ever. But of course I will focus on how they did it! Let's rip this to pieces.



Cute, if you ended your campaign there, I would have dropped my entire argument. Seriously, but you didn't. You need to TRY to be mayor, but you don't need to be mayor. Let's see why that matters.

Once again I applaud you, correct I didn't need to be mayor, but why not? I'm confident I can do a better job than the people who ran, and frankly I'm not impressed with the results either way, this way at least I ensured I would deny the role to mafia



Hardly a fair argument GM, your only mafia play was in Death Factory, which is not right to include, no offense to Ace.

And two minimafia games, if you want to do research, both of which I lurked through btw



Not that I disagree, but you've stated your point from #1 on how you're always town, and when you are mafia, you sit there quiet and wait for town to lynch you. I don't see much difference here, because every townie should be doing this anyway, but you need to remind us of it. Very well, I am reminded of a townie's purpose.

no, the point of this is to remind you that when I'm town I dont pull a Pandian and roleclaim for shits and giggles, or just lurk stupidly, I actualy try, much like I am doing now

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Because of what we concluded from points 1 and 2! Basic assumptions that are assumed. Oh dear that sentence was useless, hope no one notices that the previous sentence was useless like this useless sentence.

Sorry, I like verbose sentences, but I've always liked verbose sentences feel free to read my other games for evidence. And honestly what do you want me to say about the fact that I'm going to lynch a lurker other than I know I'm going to choose it and that scum won't be influencing my decision? I fail to see how any of this makes me scum



Leave this point out next time it overlaps with #3.

Fair enough



You've made your Policy policy apparent, you're just explaining what it is to have a policy.

GMarshal is encouraging not flaming! Scum!



This should have been your first post in the game. Make sure you do that next time GM, so you can beat everyone to that particular punchline, so it actually looks like you are town.

Right, becuase me trying to give blues direction and give a point for discussion is *also* a clear sign of scum, however did I miss this. Hey, Dr.H the posts where you do this exact same thing must also make you scum! Seriously, you are right, the advice is kind of generic, but we were less than an hour into the game, I promised I would provide lists later, and I did



Awful policy. Vets have already explained how wrong LaL is, and I should know considering I am going to host a game named after it.

LaL is awesome, or at least viging liars, liars cannot be trusted, see the Pandian fake claim later on.



It's so blatant, at least someone call GM out on repeating what not only everyone else has said, but what he has said. Maybe they have already? Guess I should finish the thread...

sorry, you are right, I didn't realize 1 and 9 overlapped, next time I'll proofread better



:/ leave out 1-8 and use this as your campaign next time.



Ok, lets compare this to Kav the townie!



Completely different approach from usual Kav. But what is hilarious is he has said everything GM stated and more. I almost can't stop myself on droning on about Kav being lynched. In fact, I couldn't. I DIDNT EVEN KNOW MY ALIGNMENT YET. God people. Gm is scum. Dr.H's play SO FAR has been completely unimpressive and damning for both GM and dr.H.

I may have confused chaoser and Dr.H before, I need to go back and see what I read, because Chaoser was switching his In-thread vote (not the on in the vote thread) and it seemed too off-key for me, but Dr.H is so much more apparent.

On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:


Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate.

Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion.
Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results.
Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT.
DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town.

Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way.

On April 13 2011 01:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I felt the need to. This isn't really going to affect who the scum hit, they can't hit me, they can't do anything to me, and it shouldn't really alter their opinions on anyone else. If Bumatlarge is spot on with his analysis, they're wary of him regardless of whether or not I say he's great.

I think this will be pretty much non-effectual. I'll never make a lynch case/scum case at night though.

On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
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How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts.



Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice.



Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more.

I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move.

And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?....

On April 13 2011 08:39 bumatlarge wrote:


If you really think Kav's posts were empty compared to yours, you need to read them again. I read Kav's posts and yours in my first read through, and the difference was apparent. Kav wasn't posting for his benefit. He was genuinely unconcerned of convincing people of his alignment, it would be nice, but he was focused on town cohesion, and he got it. Your agenda was yourself. Proving yourself and the newer townies, and it worked to an extent. It was a shame I was not here earlier.

If you think Dr. H is my scumbuddy, anaylize myself and analyze Dr. H. You're so desperate that you just want to throw things around hoping it doesn't hit you in the back of the head. I don't need a DT check on you, I know you are scum. Dr. H has given HEAPS on posts that link you to him, and the only thing you have is my threat to him.

On April 13 2011 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Yes it is.

On April 13 2011 11:33 bumatlarge wrote:
No im not actually a veteran. If you really push GM doctor there is a good chance you wont get lynched the next day. Just saying.