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On April 12 2011 06:42 Robellicose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 05:43 AirbladeOrange wrote:
The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us.
Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. There are no town PM circles, and the mayor and pardoner learn the identities of the bodyguards, so if mafia gains one position, they can wipe out the other fairly quickly. Add on the voting capability of the mayor and the one-time lynchblock (which would have to be lategame only for mafia as we'd probably lynch the pardoner pretty quick afterwards) and it's pretty clear that the mafia would want to run at least one campaign for mayor. If I had to say which candidate I think is the most scummy, I'd call Kav. Maybe. It's more of a 'least-obviously-town' choice rather than a pro-mafia choice. GMarshal I think it's silly to lynch the pardoner - If we want rid of the role completely, try and vote a green in and get him to pardon one of the early lynches (perhaps the first one where we aren't sure of our lynch victim, probably the day 1 lynch). This gets rid of the pardon whilst still protecting a probable green. If mafia obtain one of the positions, and don't block the lynch, then we can lynch on the next turn in the knowledge that we're definitely lynching scum that time. Please do not consider lynching the pardoner purely to get rid of the pardon. There is no reason to. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice:
Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum.
Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue)
Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum.
Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit.
I think this is great advice. Blues should listen to this. Especially if you aren't hugely experienced at Mafia - I'm certainly not. What I would like to ask the more experienced TL Mafia members - In previous IRC games I've played, we had an IRC channel (I assume to all intents and purposes a pm circle is the same) that the mayor could invite people to and as a result the pooling of blue info was possible with only a small chance (mayor inviting a mafia) of the mafia finding out who the blues were. This is going to sound mafia as all hell, but what are the usual ways of blues sharing info without letting mafia know who the blues are? Is it solid analysis from town? Does one detective post his info like mad hoping a medic is around? If you don't want to share these tips, could you recommend a mafia game on TL that also did not have a town pm circle of any kind so I could read up on how this information can be shared?
As for lynching the pardoner, I said it depends on who gets elected, but I was only toying with the idea anyway, I think I may have overreacted to the threat that the pardoner presents, although it is a pretty large one.
As for information sharing I said in a previous post it depends on who the actual blue is, one method is for the dt to breadcrumb his results by claiming that he he feels "really good" about players who are town and "really bad" about players who are scum in an analysis, then when the DT dies the town can go back and look at who he had good and bad feelings about.
Claiming with role-blockers around is a poor idea, it should only be done if the blue has a red he cannot get lynched otherwise.
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On April 12 2011 07:16 tnkted wrote:
GM I was ok with your earlier ideas but your later ones are extremely scummy.
1. Lynching the pardoner? Are you serious? You backed off it quickly but I don't know how you could ever possibly think that removing half of the town's 'safe from night kill' roles would ever be a good idea.
2. Posting a list of what the blues should be doing? Extremely stupid, tells the mafia who they should avoid. Lists like that are only useful when we're dealing with a crowd half this size. If you were mafia that list would help you by getting all of the blues to focus their powers in one area, which you can easily avoid. Anyone you leave off the list is guarrenteed to be killable!
3. Calling vig hits on pandain? He's probably a blue that was stupid enough to announce himself in front of everybody, hes done nothing but lurk since then. Anybody in this thread with half a brain is aware of his role now, why could you possibly want to kill him? If you were mafia calling a vig hit on pandain would be the smartest thing you could do, since he would be saving you a hit at night.
I'm not saying you're town, but the conspiracy theorist part of my brain is going nuts with thoughts about how you and protract are mafia, and protract is getting bussed to get you into the mayors position.
TLDR; GMs ideas are horrible and I can't support his campaign. I withdraw my candidacy, my vote right now is more important than providing a valuable alternative.
I can't believe I'm typing this. ##vote DrH
Also everybody, about Serejai: I play SC2 with him sometimes and I am/was part of the TL minecraft server, and Serejai is the biggest troll I've ever seen. He was fucking with you. I don't know what hes doing this game but hes hard to read. As he posts more I'll be happy to translate into english for you. :D
Did you miss the part about the blue list being to provide a focus for discussion? If mafia sees the list and decide not to hit player because they are on the medic list then all the better for us, if we had 2 medics then I just made the mafia avoid 4 players, my updated list come nightfall will make it so that there are about 6 players in the medic protect list, if the mafia avoid them then all the better for us, also consider the fact that a medic seeing that list has no obligation to follow it,a s a matter of fact mafia not only has to ignore the "protected" targets but also has to worry about medics who might not be following my lead. Blue direction lists are all things considered a good thing.
As for pandian refer to my policy, LaL, now that he has made a claim and retracted it nothing pandian says can be trusted, what if two days from now he comes out and says, "lol, jk I am a DT and I checked Qatol and he is scum" would you believe a word of it? I know I wouldn't, hell it would probably cause enough chaos to force us to lynch him.
As I said with the pardoner, it was me being a little bit too rash, but the pardoner is *still* extremely anti town and I'm unhappy that its going to be in anyone's hands at all.
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On April 12 2011 07:25 tnkted wrote:
Then make the pardoner save your first lynch. Its been suggested several times before. It would solve your problem entirely and would only cost us a lynch that is probably going to be town anyway.
I have to go to class, i'll respond ot other points when i get back.
And then we waste a lynch the only town kp, I think its a stupid idea to pardon the first lynch, there's no reason to assume it *won't* hit scum, especially if its aimed by a town player who is gunning for an area with a high concentration of mafia (read: the lurkers) (and yes it *is* an assumption that some mafia will be lurking, but a fair one, no?)
Again every lynch gives us information, we shouldn't lynch exclusively for it, but we should not stop from lynching out of fear.
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Well there goes my hope that Tack would show up with a huge pro town post and justify me.
Thats what, two replacements thus far? This bodes ill for the town.
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EBWOP: Also Tack, hope you find more time and play in another game relatively soon! Gl with quitting smoking!
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On April 12 2011 07:39 aidnai wrote:
GM, what makes you say tackster was town?
Good on you for quitting tackster. On to a healthier, nicer smelling future!
Hopefully you'll find someone that can replace me rather than lose a green altogther...
He said he was green in his goodbye post.
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On April 12 2011 08:08 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
This is for one of the same reasons I wouldn't want a black mayor. ...what? I'm sorry I'm still trying to learn how to play this game but... what does skin color have to do with anything. That's just being racist =/
I am flabbergasted by the magnitude of your contribution, you sir have proven to be a real asset to the town.
Guys, I think I found my lynch if I'm elected mayor!
[x] Few posts
[x] no contribution
[x] detrimental to town
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On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt?
Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive.
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On April 12 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive. another thing i will do as mayor i will never kill/vote for someone i believe to be town/assassin aligned just because they are "bad"
I'm not voting for him because he is "bad" Im voting for him because he is anti-town and not even trying to hide it. Find me a single helpful post of his, there are none. He isn't even trying and is distracting the town.
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On April 12 2011 08:20 kevconsim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? im killing kavdragon im saying the mafia is probably going to hit him for that But now we know that if he doesnt die he could be mafia. -.-
See, he singlehandedly created a circle of wifom that is distracting the town.
Tell me how this is a pro-town or even neutral play at all
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On April 12 2011 08:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:20 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? im killing kavdragon im saying the mafia is probably going to hit him for that But now we know that if he doesnt die he could be mafia. -.- WIFOM not even worth considering Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:20 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive. another thing i will do as mayor i will never kill/vote for someone i believe to be town/assassin aligned just because they are "bad" I'm not voting for him because he is "bad" Im voting for him because he is anti-town and not even trying to hide it. Find me a single helpful post of his, there are none. He isn't even trying and is distracting the town. But do you believe that he is mafia? I don't so I have bigger fish to fry. Scum like kavdragon or barundar for instance
I think I'm 60% certain he is mafia, I don't think any town player in his right mind would play like that. Kav has been posting large contentless posts I grant you that, but I'm not sure he is scum, again I'll be interested to see his flip, but I like lynching the troll better.
Also this is the first time I've seen you mention Barundar, whats your case against him if you dont mind explaining?
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On April 12 2011 08:28 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:24 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:20 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? im killing kavdragon im saying the mafia is probably going to hit him for that But now we know that if he doesnt die he could be mafia. -.- WIFOM not even worth considering On April 12 2011 08:20 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive. another thing i will do as mayor i will never kill/vote for someone i believe to be town/assassin aligned just because they are "bad" I'm not voting for him because he is "bad" Im voting for him because he is anti-town and not even trying to hide it. Find me a single helpful post of his, there are none. He isn't even trying and is distracting the town. But do you believe that he is mafia? I don't so I have bigger fish to fry. Scum like kavdragon or barundar for instance I think I'm 60% certain he is mafia, I don't think any town player in his right mind would play like that. Kav has been posting large contentless posts I grant you that, but I'm not sure he is scum, again I'll be interested to see his flip, but I like lynching the troll better. Also this is the first time I've seen you mention Barundar, whats your case against him if you dont mind explaining? I don't like this. This guy has two posts that have zero content and no clear intentions, and you somehow pull '60% mafia' out of that? While kav has a million posts with zero content that are obviously trying to look protown and you can't even pull a percentage out of your ass for him?
Its the "Zero content and no clear intentions" that worries me about him, all the other people with 2-3 posts at least *tired* to look pro-town. These dont, and I see it as a player trying to disguise his alignment by not saying anything. 60% was frankly pulled out of my ass, I still see him as anti-town but I won't argue it since its not like I can write a PbP on him to prove anything.
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On April 12 2011 08:34 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:24 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:20 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? im killing kavdragon im saying the mafia is probably going to hit him for that But now we know that if he doesnt die he could be mafia. -.- WIFOM not even worth considering On April 12 2011 08:20 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive. another thing i will do as mayor i will never kill/vote for someone i believe to be town/assassin aligned just because they are "bad" I'm not voting for him because he is "bad" Im voting for him because he is anti-town and not even trying to hide it. Find me a single helpful post of his, there are none. He isn't even trying and is distracting the town. But do you believe that he is mafia? I don't so I have bigger fish to fry. Scum like kavdragon or barundar for instance I think I'm 60% certain he is mafia, I don't think any town player in his right mind would play like that. Kav has been posting large contentless posts I grant you that, but I'm not sure he is scum, again I'll be interested to see his flip, but I like lynching the troll better. Also this is the first time I've seen you mention Barundar, whats your case against him if you dont mind explaining? Yes let's keep shifting attention to the guy with 2 troll posts instead of contributing/discussing something worthwhile.
Fine, what do you want to discuss kind sir? I posted a list yet it was apparently not worth discussing. I tried to make arguments and pressure, but that too was deemed "bad". So tell me, what do you want to talk about? I'm game to discuss anything.
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On April 12 2011 08:37 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:35 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:34 redFF wrote:On April 12 2011 08:24 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:20 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? im killing kavdragon im saying the mafia is probably going to hit him for that But now we know that if he doesnt die he could be mafia. -.- WIFOM not even worth considering On April 12 2011 08:20 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote:On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive. another thing i will do as mayor i will never kill/vote for someone i believe to be town/assassin aligned just because they are "bad" I'm not voting for him because he is "bad" Im voting for him because he is anti-town and not even trying to hide it. Find me a single helpful post of his, there are none. He isn't even trying and is distracting the town. But do you believe that he is mafia? I don't so I have bigger fish to fry. Scum like kavdragon or barundar for instance I think I'm 60% certain he is mafia, I don't think any town player in his right mind would play like that. Kav has been posting large contentless posts I grant you that, but I'm not sure he is scum, again I'll be interested to see his flip, but I like lynching the troll better. Also this is the first time I've seen you mention Barundar, whats your case against him if you dont mind explaining? Yes let's keep shifting attention to the guy with 2 troll posts instead of contributing/discussing something worthwhile. Fine, what do you want to discuss kind sir? I posted a list yet it was apparently not worth discussing. I tried to make arguments and pressure, but that too was deemed "bad". So tell me, what do you want to talk about? I'm game to discuss anything. Well, a name on who you are lynching day 1 would be nice, which lurker/inactive?
I'm thinking our troll here might be a good lynch, other than him ON and Monster seem to have drawn enough attention as lurkers to make me suspect them, especially the Monster ninja vote.
It won't be someone who is going to be modkilled though, I'll leave them to die by the banhammer
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From the voting thread
On April 12 2011 08:49 jaminz wrote:
##Vote Doctor Helevetica
who are you and why are you voting Dr.H
RedFF, this must mean Dr.H is scum right? I mean its an unjustified vote!
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On April 12 2011 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
HEY GMARSHAL I LIKE YOUR EARLIER PLAN OF LYNCHING THE PARDONER ASAP WHAT DO U THINK
If it helps town go for it, I dont fear death, as long as its in the benefit of the town. Only scum are afraid to die. I don't fear death, I fear a fruitless death.
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You are right, how did I miss such brilliant justifications as
On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote:
Placeholder vote on DrH
On April 11 2011 17:26 The_Roist wrote:
As for my vote, I feel DoctorHelvetica has the towniest position regarding our claimed ninja and how best to use him in the towns' favor.
## vote DoctorHelvetica
along with that entirely unjustified vote, truly these are masterpieces of reason and logic.
My question stands FF, why were votes like this suspicious for me, and not suspicious for Dr.H...
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On March 26 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote:
BODYGUARD:
You are one of two random townies that will be selected night 1 to become Bodyguards. As long as you are alive, neither the Mayor nor the Pardoner can be targeted by night actions of any kind. You have no special powers other than that. Both the Mayor and the Pardoner know who you are, as you are protecting them.
@Darth
Also where the hell have you been? You have like 3 posts in the thread.
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I'm torn between AirbladeOrange, OriginalName, M0nster and whatever the trolls name is.
Probably AO though, on my gut, as some player around here are so fond of saying
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On April 12 2011 09:49 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 09:47 GMarshal wrote:
I'm torn between AirbladeOrange, OriginalName, M0nster and whatever the trolls name is.
Probably AO though, on my gut, as some player around here are so fond of saying I'd lynch OriginalName over Airblade. Day one reads are hard, so lynching the person who is less active is a good idea. My take, anyways.
There are still three hours left, so theres plenty of time for one of them to come in here with a groundbreaking and epic post that reverses my stance on one of them.
I'm leaning Airblade, but I'm still thinking it over, again 3 hours is plenty of time.
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