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I know what happened last night. But first, a confession: I am the bus driver. On March 28 2011 17:21 bumatlarge wrote: Excellent, sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but I have access to a DT within my circle. We checked lemonwalrus. He came back blue police force While that makes no sense whatsoever since blues cant be in the item game. And of course he is not in my circle. He has to be the GodFather Last might my action was to bus Bum and Lemon. I didn't know what item lemon had. I figured jackal was mafia and was going to shoot tack, while the rest of the mafia killed lemon and coag, thereby winning mafia the item game. I didn't know that jackal had died, and I didn't know that lemon was bulletproof. So the reason that bum's check came back as blue is because he was checking himself. Now, why would i switch bum and lemon, you might ask? Well, Bum is invincible. As long as his two bodyguards are alive he can't die. That means I could switch him with anyone and that person would live because all hits would be deflected off bum. Obviously I can't ever make this maneuver again because GM is dead and its too risky if the mafia gets the other bodyguard, but it was a good oneshot effort and would have won us the item game if mafia had tried to win it all at once. This maneuver had the happy side effect of confirming bum as blue, so yaay! I trust you again bum, I secretly figured you were scum for awhile. So if I am the only bus driver, what happened last night? It would be stupid for there to be two bus drivers in the game. How was coags kill switched to annul? On March 28 2011 15:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Found it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=42#840 I remember KJ guessed who the medic type role was then used it to give the mafia a bunch of free protections. Mind control. Coag was mind controlled to use his item on annul instead of on Tack. Thats why the post is written the way it is. I mean, read the damn thing. It's all about how he 'was confused as to why he was standing in front of annul'. Go read it again, it makes way more sense for it to be mind control. Also, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned elsewhere in the text if that had been what I did. Had that been my move, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned at all. You guys are also missing the fact that Kav claimed somebody hit him last night. Thats an extra KP we haven't accounted for: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed (look at the DP again) 5. KP used on kav??? Mafia's Plan Now before we delve into 5, lets examine 4 for a minute. GM is deader than a doornail. I have reason to believe that annuls role (outside of the item game) was bodyguard. I think last night the mafia hit GM and bum and used mind control to switch coags hit onto annul, therefore allowing them to kill the mayor and win the IG in one swoop. Coag would be dead due to the bomb, and the only people left in IG would be Jackal and Tack and Lemon. Mafia almost killed bum, and I accidentally saved him by switching him and lemon. 0_0 How fucking lucky did town get last night? We still haven't accounted for 5, or for the direction of black's kill. Black must have hit annul; that would explain why there were two kills in the same place. Why would black have hit annul? He was out of the item game, and everyone thought that annul's item was going to go off. I do not know this yet. I suspect bum has more ideas about this than I do. I do know that the reason why annul's item didn't go off is because he was stealing Tack's item during the night. That explains why annul has the mood ring and not Tack. Now for the KP used on kav. What happened? Lets look at this list again, and I'll show you what I think happened: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed There was no KP used on kav. There weren't enough KP in the game for that to happen. What happened was, my switch of lemon and bum saved bum's life from being ended and thats what the failed KP was: They managed to hit a bulletproof lemon instead of a suddenly weakened bum. Kav claimed a hit in order to A) bring himself into town's good graces and B) to stop anyone from wondering if Bum was the other target. Kav is Mafia Now who could possibly have orchastrated this plan from the mafia's perspective? such a person would 1. have to be in the item game 2. have to have known that coag was the one who was gonna hit Tack, not jackal The only people that fit both of those descriptions are Lemon, Jackal, and Coag. Lemon is probably clear thanks to my breadcrumbing plan from earlier. He could easily not be, however, probably thanks to myself switching him and bum and accidentally foiling the DT check (sorry!). Coag is definately a green thanks to breadcrumbing earlier. Therefore, the true battle of red is between Lemon and Jackal. Both of them have much to gain if town lynches Tack, and both of them already think that Tack is the mafia. The question is which one of them is more scum than the other, and which one is playing the other for a fool. Personally I believe Jackal is scum. I had a FOS on him early in the game and he hasn't done much to change my mind. He failed my breadcrumbing test after refusing to participate, he has tunnelled players multiple times, and chainsaw defended virtually every single accusation against him. This entire plan is exactly the sort of thing he'd cook up; killing everyone but himself and Tack and somebody that aggrees with him (lemon) and then convincing town that Tack had murdered everyone in the night and lynching him. Who do we see supporting jackal on this? Who is supporting jackal even after Bum accused lemon? Rean and Decon. Scum. Coag. Played for fool. Coag, you even said that the only person who could have fooled you was jackal. Its whats happening right now, don't you see?! If you have more info (ie, dt check) I would release it right now. Therefore, mafia list: Kav Rean Decon Jackal And bum, I'd be very very careful with how you act from now on. I suspect the rest of my bus driving will be blocked by red/black, so I won't be able to save your ass again. | ||
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Ahh. Ok Well that could explain why Annul was hit twice; black dt checked him and thought he was red. It doesn't explain why they tried to hit bum though... Hmm.. @Coag: Who all knew what Lemon's item was? | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Doesn't the mayor have 2 BG's? How would bum have died last night? That is the one part I don't get. LSB, if a mayor got bussed would it bypass his bodyguard protection and transfer it to the other bussed person? Yep, the mayor retains his protection even when bussed. I asked lemon about this specifically. | ||
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why do YOU think he was hit twice? And what do you mean I'm in the right game? | ||
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I'm not actually sure. Night 0 perhaps? LSB said that there was a very good reason night 0 existed and I'm not convinced it was to vote 'godfatheresque' positions in. I think black has an alignment check they could use either night 0, or during the day and they used it at one point to check what annul was. Makes sense, he was one of the most vocal people at the beginning of the game running for mayor and black would obviously want to know if he was red or not. We should look back and see if our little confirmed black in the IG supported annul's candidacy or not. | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:34 chaoser wrote: Highly doubt this...we didn't even have role PMs yet. Sure, the regular roles, but how do we know that mafia/black weren't told what the godfather roles would be? Surely they would be told what powers the person they were voting would be given? Were mafia/black told what roles the godfather would have when they voted the godfather in? | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:35 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah, no. I do believe that you're the bus driver and have switched bum and lemon, otherwise the lemon check wouldn't have made sense in a LOT of scenarios. Now, we still need to figure out why Tack didn't die. Two bus drivers might be a bit much indeed. The only thing is, mafia thought Jackal would hit, not Coag, so whatever happened, couldn't have been a spell cast on Coag. Did you not read my post? Mafia must have known who was going to do the hit, which means either lemon or jackal must have told them. | ||
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 Didn't think that one through when I posted it. | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:41 CubEdIn wrote: Ah I see. Well then, the only scenario that makes sense to ME right now is that Lemon is indeed red, tnked managed to screw up everyone with the awesome bus switch (since, you know, lemon was getting checked), and Tacked is caught in the middle. The reason I'm saying this is that Day 2 is entitled confusion, and it's pretty clear that Coag didn't know why he shot annul. I don't know, I've just been getting a good vibe from tack this whole game, and I don't think LSB would place a newbie in a 4-man-mafia team, and then place HIM in the item game. I know it's meta-game and shouldn't be considered, but come on, it makes much more sense for Lemon to be the scum. Besides, we can solve this by killing both, someone get medics on Jackal/Coag and kill the other two. Easy peasy. And yes, I'm considering that Jackal is town. You do realize that lemon is new too, right? | ||
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LSB pmed the "twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something' alignment pm while kita pmed the 'sit tight' one. When I set up my breadcrumbing in my first few posts I was using my alignment PM, the twiddle your thumbs one. Coag, who had recieved kita's pm instead, breadcrumbed to me and I didn't notice since I only had knowledge of lsb's pm. So the sit tight phrase was not part of my plan at all. Therefore, the results of the PM breadcrumbs were: Lemon & annul, who recieved their PMs from LSB, immediately picked up my clues. Coag laid a breadcrumb of his own ('sit tight, i'll go over your posts') which i missed but insanious picked up on immediately, confirming them both Jackal refused to play Tack also dropped a 'sit tight' breadcrumb. However, tack dropped his sit tight breadcrumb after coag and insanious had already confirmed that was a clue word, so he could have just been clever. Tack isn't clear. Jackal isn't clear because he didn't play the game. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:00 deconduo wrote: Tack had my PM pretty much spot on, including the green highlighting of the word townie. Same for Jackal. As I recall, Tack posted a breadcrumb, not the actual PM... could you find that for me? I'd look myself but im in class and shouldn't be typing. :X | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:01 Insanious wrote: Um, actually, what we have is: 1) 1 shot on Lemon, bussed to Bum. Gmarshal took the hit 2) 1 Shot on annul from scum 3) 1 shot on Tack, mind controlled or bussed to Annul 4) 1 shot on kav that failed. Wait a minute...if GM took the hit because I bussed it to bum then I was mislead by kita in pms... I was under the impression that hits on bum would be stopped cold by the bodyguards, and mafia would have to kill both bodyguards by randomly shooting or by role checks before they could kill bum. If I killed you GM i'm sorry!! | ||
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We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:14 Insanious wrote: But GMarshal would only die if it was bussed from Lemon to Bum If it shot lemon, lemon would of just blocked the shot. THis is unless Kav is lying. Then it would of been 1) 1 Shot on Annul 2) 1 Shot on Tack shifted to Annul 3) 1 Shot on Bum bussed to Lemon 4) 1 Shot on GMarshal Yep, This is what i was saying. Kav must be lying. Gmarshal died because he was targeted. | ||
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And tack I didn't recieve both role PMs, I only recieved one. When coag and insanious started talking about the other one I was confused for the longest time until I realize that he had recieved a different one, probably from the mod that didn't send me mine. I recieved the twiddle your thumbs pm. | ||
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