Insane Mafia 2 - Page 68

On March 26 2011 14:25 Tackster wrote:
@GMarshal thank you for at least considering the evidence before you made your mind up. I was worried that players here are just sheeping Jackal.

I would like to point out something else important: I'm new to forum mafia. So barring the idea that I'm the devil and the ultimate scum surely if i'm behaving scummy people must be able to PROVE it.... If I am that devil btw how am I FOSsed when there can be no proof?

Anyway notice how not one shred of evidence has been brought forward except for the pseudo-evidence that people in the mini-game think i'm scum without any evidence themselves... Of which by the way 2 consist of SCUM

From: Tackster [ 53 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: RE: Item Game
Date: 3/26/11 14:14
OK Guys there is obviously a circling of wagons going on here... I'm PMing this to all mini-game players with a pearl of wisdom:

THERE IS SCUM IN THE MINI-GAME

We each need to rely on our OWN opinions and we need to realise that strategy is going to win the mini-game not dumb luck.

So I expect everybody in the mini-game to reply to this PM and evaluate me using my bloody opinion as well...

2 of us are mafia and they will be the one's sowing dissent and FOSsing the others.

We need to work out our Steal/Defend/Use strategy, we need to try and assess item powers and get scum to slip.

If you're all going to genuflect to Jackal veteran status and ignore me this is going to auto-fail for town.

Also apart from Jackal and Coagulation I don't really see many IG related posts.

The mayorship is seems basically decided, right now the only 2 worries are how will we handle this mini-game and how will we out the scum.

Yours Expectantly,
A backstabbed green

On March 26 2011 14:34 Tackster wrote:
Lol my PM asked for people to actually converse with me. You're either seeing scum where you want to or trying to create problems for town. Thanks for outing that btw I think it shows how reasonable I am!

As a townie I am sitting tight till i get more information...

And you should too

tnkted United States. March 25 2011 23:32. Posts 292
On March 25 2011 19:42 CubEdIn wrote:
While I do agree that there are a few players who look scummy, I would also suggest we put some hard pressure on the lurkers. Especially those who are also in the item game.

I mean, yes, annul seemed very anti-town so far, and I would also get rid of such players, but he was trying to make his case and at least we have a lot of pages of posts to analyse, if need be. The quiet ones are always the ones that are hiding something.


This. Amber[LighT] and Brownbear haven't posted much of anything, and i know that they both (brownbear at least) are usually pretty active.

We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus.

As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus.


On March 17 2011 18:48 Lemonwalrus wrote:
/in
if you are even still letting people in?

It is my first time, but I promise to read the rules thoroughly after class today and come prepared.


He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore...


On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote:
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Actually it is black and baby-blue.

This is tl.


Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it:


On March 24 2011 11:47 Lemonwalrus wrote:
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Well, I think that the 'vote or no vote for day 1 lynch' platform is a moot point.

Someone running with a day 1 vote could easily be mafia, since mafia would have a good shot at tipping the vote, especially now when there is no real suspicion on anyone. Then again they could easily be not mafia and just want to use the vote as a way to win the popular vote to make a vote for them seem like a vote for fairness.

Similarly, someone running no day 1 vote could easily be mafia since, obviously getting a free kill day 1 is good for mafia. But they could easily be not mafia and just trust their own mafia sniffing capabilities better than that of the town in the case of a vote.

So basically, as of right now, I have not seen any compelling reasons to vote for anyone, I'm gonna wait to see how the debates continue and vote for whoever I think has the strongest ideas for further down the road. Idk, this is my first game though, so maybe I'm thinking too hard about it.


Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie!


On March 25 2011 03:09 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Sorry about the one-liners from before...it is my first time, I didn't realize that was inappropriate. I promise to make all future posts of mine painfully and needlessly verbose.

As far as the bum/not bum vote, I think bum is the best bet for the town for reasons that have already been discussed at length. (the biggest one for me being that I think if he wasn't blue by now one of the real blues would have surely counter-claimed) (If you are a blue and therefore know that bum isn't, please, there is no reason for you not to counter claim) So unless someone gives one hell of a compelling reason for me not to I intend to vote bum.

As far as the irc channels goes, well, gather round fellas, because I may be new to mafia, but I am an old hand at irc. I think having an irc for this is a very bad idea. Basically, it is just a more fast paced version of the forum which, on the one hand i know we all think 'well that is good it gives the scum more of a chance to fuck up and reveal themselves when they are under the gun' but the thing is, everyone will fuck up sooner or later. I'm sure if we do an irc channel literally everyone that participates will, sooner or later, say something that convinces someone that they are scum. That is what happens when you are able to share information without thinking hard about it first. (for instance, look at my signature...do you think any of those guys (besides aesop) would have said those things if they had had time to re-read it before clicking a post button?)

Also, I see a major component of the irc channel debate will be 'x isn't active in irc, he must be scum' or 'x is too active in irc, he must be scum' basically wifom madness imo, since with imperfect data either choice will put suspicion on a player and, since town outnumbers scum, more suspicion floating around should benefit scum.

So I vote no on irc and yes on bum, and the above are my reasons.


Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it.

Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this.

On March 25 2011 03:17 Lemonwalrus wrote:
wtf the more i post the more i get crap for not posting, what do you guys want from me (((((


Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone)

I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity.

Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun.


IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn."

I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS

Rean Netherlands. March 26 2011 06:26. Posts 156
Hmmm. It's probably in black's best interest to start killing off the item-game players as fast as possible, while the red's would want to take it easy there to prevent black taking the cake, since black is arguably the biggest threat to the red team at the moment. So with 1 night-kill a time, it comes down to some good analysis and a few lucky medic/dt's for town to walk away with the items

bumatlarge United States. March 26 2011 06:19. Posts 2058


The lynch candidates as of now:
annul
orgolove
lemonwalrus
iGrok
deconduo

Coagulation United States. March 26 2011 08:24. Posts 4500
stop hating on LEMONwALRUS plz i already told you guys hes green.

CubEdIn Romania. March 26 2011 09:10. Posts 4099
Ok ok. I'll post some of the more thought out plans tomorrow if I have time, but out of what I seen so far:

...

3. I agree that unless something extraordinary happens, we should take out someone in the item game. Even with a 1:3 shot to hit a scum, it will only get better fast (assuming some of them die during the night as well). If they kill one, we will get a 1:2 shot during day 2.
Of course, it's not set in stone, stuff may be revealed, but as a guide line it's a good place to start.

On March 26 2011 15:02 iGrok wrote:
FINALLY made it to my new condo. I love it, its amazing. I'll have to read and catch up, can anyone briefly summarize the lasy 10-15 pages for me?

And Tackster, the best way to alert blues to any plan is to simply PM bumatlarge i think

On March 26 2011 15:03 GMarshal wrote:

PMs are not allowed unless you have some power that allows it...