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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 28 2011 12:34 tnkted wrote: Assuming we can trust coag (i believe we can) Town still has our KP. Assuming we can trust jackal (i'm not certain about this) Town lost some bandanges (sounds like medic power). That means that mafia (NOT BLACK) has the ability to protect themselves. If tack isn't lynched, and he is the one who stole the item, we can be sure that he will be immune to a night kill. Yes you can use the bandages to self protect. That's what I was doing when they got stolen. How the fuck can you still doubt I'm town? Have you ever seen scum put their dick on the line on day 1 like I did? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On March 28 2011 12:35 Lanaia wrote: Logically, we should be asking tackster what he did last niht, shouldn't we? i did he completely ignored it. LOL | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
I think he went to bed... We'll see what he says tomorrow. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
Hahaha, awesome. ##vote Tackster I really don't see why not at this point. Unless town comes up with a good reason NOT to vote Tackster, my vote will stay. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 28 2011 12:35 Lanaia wrote: Logically, we should be asking tackster what he did last niht, shouldn't we? You don't ask scum questions. You kill them. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
so hilarious. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
If Tackster is scum: (And I'm pretty sure he is) Insanious defended Tack a good deal. Meapak defended Tack in one of his few posts. Oh, and just because I'm in the mood to divulge my opinions, and it seems scum see me fit to hit already, I'll add that Eiii is on my suspect list. I'll try to put together a analysis/reasons on this when I get the chance. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On March 28 2011 13:00 Lanaia wrote: @Kavdragon Will you be sharing with us the reason you think you were hit or would you prefer not to? Because I'm one of the few people doing analysis, and I've named two of their members already. I said that I would post an analysis on meapak earlier, and I already posted on Insanious. They didn't want me adding anyone more of their buddies to that list, and they didn't want my analysis on meapak to ever happen. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On March 28 2011 13:00 Lanaia wrote: @Kavdragon Will you be sharing with us the reason you think you were hit or would you prefer not to? He doesn't think he was hit, he says he took a hit. On March 28 2011 12:31 Kavdragon wrote: Right, just got back online. I've not read up yet, but I took a hit last night. Gotta account for this as well. I really don't like this bandwagoning that's going on. Yah it's really suspicious that your hit got swapped but it just seems too convenient. We're allowing the trigger happy coag run the show. Are we going to see a townie fall today because of your short-sighted analysis? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 28 2011 13:18 Amber[LighT] wrote: I really don't like this bandwagoning that's going on. Yah it's really suspicious that your hit got swapped but it just seems too convenient. We're allowing the trigger happy coag run the show. Are we going to see a townie fall today because of your short-sighted analysis? The only thing that could have gone wrong is if LW set Tack up. Either way, Town will win IG. If we lynch Tack and he's green, LW is mafia in which case we just medic protect one of Jackal and Coag and we lynch LW the next day. Coag might be trigger happy but the plan makes sense and given that it's Jackal who thought it up, I'm not very surprised to say the least, he has a thing for gambits. Bum supports it as well and seems to be supporting the story that's coming out of Coag/Jackal so I'm going to be following that. I've already looked at a lot of Tack's posts and though he's been posting, a lot of it has been either echoing what other people have said or has been arguing with annul. He posts big ass posts but they have little substance. I can post by post analysis if you want. All the people saying it's convenient, that's a WIFOM argument and you know it. Unless things surface that will shed more light onto this situation and put a new spin on it, I'm going to believe Coag and Jackal and Bum. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
Quick question: If the whole IG plan was to bait the scum player into stealing jackal's items, why did jackal just let it get stolen instead of protecting it? That's the one thing that I'm confused by in this whole affair. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
What we know: Coag had a gun. Jackal and Lemon knew this. Jackal referenced having KP in thread. Coag shot at Tack Scum shot at Tack/Annul Coag's (and maybe scum's) shot was redirected to Annul Jackal's item was stolen What we've learned: Unless Black is just screwing with the item game for giggles, Red have the Bus role. Blacks don't really seem to have any motivation we know of for saving Tackster or trying to incriminate him. If Red used their Bus on Tackster in order to prevent a foreseen hit, they wouldn't redirect it to their own hit target, meaning Blacks used their KP on Annul/Tack, and the Reds hit Gmarshal + someone else (Barring unknown Town/Blue KP). What we think happened: Tack is Mafia Tack thinks Jackal has KP, steals to avoid death Scum also buses Tack, Coag's shot is redirected to Annul Logical Inconsistency: If Tackster were Red, why would he both try to steal the item to prevent his death, AND Red would use their Bus on him? Surely one would have been sufficient to save him. This is primarily what is making me look more closely into what's happening rather than blindly accepting that Tack is scum. What might have happened (and how it will continue): Jackal is Mafia Jackal says he has KP in thread, Tack steals (Don't know his motivations, but he thinks Jackal is red, so maybe he wanted to try to stop a red KP) Coag really has the gun Jackal convinces Coag to shoot Tack Mafia know Coag is shooting Tack, bus it to Annul Town is now convinced Tack is scum, lynches Green. Scum kills townies, wins IG How we should proceed: This situation is entirely contingent on how likely it is Jackal is town. If he is town, Tack is assuredly Red and Mafia was anxious enough to save him that they used a power and tried to steal the gun, which is illogical but possible. However, if Jackal is red, then he just orchestrated this to make town believe that Tack was red, so we lynch a green and give scum a good chance of winning the IG. Like I said, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, because I agree with Cubed that this seems a little too easy, and to Jackal's credit, I think he has the balls and the skill to actually try something like this. So, I'd like to first hear from Tack what actions he took last night, and then hear what makes Jackal a confirmed town. In my opinion, Jackal has said some scummy things in the thread, and we haven't really heard what exactly Coag/Jackal's mutual confirmation plan was. In addition, Jackal's defense thus far for not being red is "Do you think scum would stick their dick out like that day 1?", which is very WIFOM and unsubstantial. I wanted to bring this up, because no one's really questioning what's happening, and whether or not Tack is scum, we need to be careful of our actions and place all plans under close scrutiny. I haven't heard the reasoning behind Tack's being Red that is anything more than: "He was bussed, mafia tried to save him", and I feel that since Jackal knew about Coag's gun, it's plausible that he may still be the Red left in the item game. So, I'd like to invite further discussion on the matter, because as it is, it's too easy for Red to possibly bandwagon Tackster and town to sheep along. This won't give us any information that will be useful in future days, whereas maybe my dissension might be able to spark some kind of conversation. TL;DR Tackster looks scum right now. No one is considering the possibility he isn't however. Jackal may be scum, and made it look like Tackster is red This depends on if Jackal is town or not. In my opinion Jackal has said some scummy things and is a good enough player to try something like this. We need to have more discussion or we'll get no information from the lynch. Trust No One. Question Everything. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
Logical Inconsistency: If Tackster were Red, why would he both try to steal the item to prevent his death, AND Red would use their Bus on him? Surely one would have been sufficient to save him. This is primarily what is making me look more closely into what's happening rather than blindly accepting that Tack is scum. This isnt a logical inconsistency scum couldnt be 100% sure jackal had the gun so they covered their ass in the event they cant prevent a shot on tack by stealing. Plus they are accounting for BLACKS + VIGIS all who could possibly hit tack and take him out the item game. You gotta be kidding me if you say its inconsistent that they are protecting their guy in the item game from all possibilities. you just pinged on my scumdar with that load of bullshit | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Logical Inconsistency: If Tackster were Red, why would he both try to steal the item to prevent his death, AND Red would use their Bus on him? Surely one would have been sufficient to save him. This is primarily what is making me look more closely into what's happening rather than blindly accepting that Tack is scum. They already mentioned this. It's Jackal. Mafia didn't want to take chances cause Jackal likes his gambits. They stole and also bussed Tackster just in cause. Also, mafia could have been afraid that someone else outside the game that was town would shoot into the game at Tackster. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
What might have happened (and how it will continue): Jackal is Mafia Jackal says he has KP in thread, Tack steals (Don't know his motivations, but he thinks Jackal is red, so maybe he wanted to try to stop a red KP) Coag really has the gun Jackal convinces Coag to shoot Tack Mafia know Coag is shooting Tack, bus it to Annul Town is now convinced Tack is scum, lynches Green. Scum kills townies, wins IG This is bullshit also. If jackal was red he would have my gun right now theres no way scum would even consider letting me keep it when they know its gonna be up for grabs. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On March 28 2011 13:31 Eiii wrote: Aww, I'm on a scumlist now? :/ I eagerly await your reasons then, kav. Quick question: If the whole IG plan was to bait the scum player into stealing jackal's items, why did jackal just let it get stolen instead of protecting it? That's the one thing that I'm confused by in this whole affair. he used it to protect himself from a hit. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
than dead with bandages pretty simple logic | ||
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