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Ruh roh. I think iGrok just activated something. | ||
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I asked LSB and apparently my bus happens before hits. So if i switch somebody, I'm killed after switching them. That means that i can switch coag with some random townie and the only chance coag has of dying is if that random townie is hit too. However, that means i'd die which would make me sad.  Well, hopefully we'll win the item game and I can use the vest. I'll see what happens when we lynch before i decide what to do. I do think that if we can win the item game tonight we can win the game very quickly. | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:04 tnkted wrote: Alright guys. Prepare for EARTH SHATTERING REVELATIONS I know what happened last night. But first, a confession: I am the bus driver. Last might my action was to bus Bum and Lemon. I didn't know what item lemon had. I figured jackal was mafia and was going to shoot tack, while the rest of the mafia killed lemon and coag, thereby winning mafia the item game. I didn't know that jackal had died, and I didn't know that lemon was bulletproof. So the reason that bum's check came back as blue is because he was checking himself. Now, why would i switch bum and lemon, you might ask? Well, Bum is invincible. As long as his two bodyguards are alive he can't die. That means I could switch him with anyone and that person would live because all hits would be deflected off bum. Obviously I can't ever make this maneuver again because GM is dead and its too risky if the mafia gets the other bodyguard, but it was a good oneshot effort and would have won us the item game if mafia had tried to win it all at once. This maneuver had the happy side effect of confirming bum as blue, so yaay! I trust you again bum, I secretly figured you were scum for awhile. So if I am the only bus driver, what happened last night? It would be stupid for there to be two bus drivers in the game. How was coags kill switched to annul? Mind control. Coag was mind controlled to use his item on annul instead of on Tack. Thats why the post is written the way it is. I mean, read the damn thing. It's all about how he 'was confused as to why he was standing in front of annul'. Go read it again, it makes way more sense for it to be mind control. Also, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned elsewhere in the text if that had been what I did. Had that been my move, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned at all. You guys are also missing the fact that Kav claimed somebody hit him last night. Thats an extra KP we haven't accounted for: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed (look at the DP again) 5. KP used on kav??? Mafia's Plan Now before we delve into 5, lets examine 4 for a minute. GM is deader than a doornail. I have reason to believe that annuls role (outside of the item game) was bodyguard. I think last night the mafia hit GM and bum and used mind control to switch coags hit onto annul, therefore allowing them to kill the mayor and win the IG in one swoop. Coag would be dead due to the bomb, and the only people left in IG would be Jackal and Tack and Lemon. Mafia almost killed bum, and I accidentally saved him by switching him and lemon. 0_0 How fucking lucky did town get last night? We still haven't accounted for 5, or for the direction of black's kill. Black must have hit annul; that would explain why there were two kills in the same place. Why would black have hit annul? He was out of the item game, and everyone thought that annul's item was going to go off. I do not know this yet. I suspect bum has more ideas about this than I do. I do know that the reason why annul's item didn't go off is because he was stealing Tack's item during the night. That explains why annul has the mood ring and not Tack. Now for the KP used on kav. What happened? Lets look at this list again, and I'll show you what I think happened: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed There was no KP used on kav. There weren't enough KP in the game for that to happen. What happened was, my switch of lemon and bum saved bum's life from being ended and thats what the failed KP was: They managed to hit a bulletproof lemon instead of a suddenly weakened bum. Kav claimed a hit in order to A) bring himself into town's good graces and B) to stop anyone from wondering if Bum was the other target. Kav is Mafia Now who could possibly have orchastrated this plan from the mafia's perspective? such a person would 1. have to be in the item game 2. have to have known that coag was the one who was gonna hit Tack, not jackal The only people that fit both of those descriptions are Lemon, Jackal, and Coag. Lemon is probably clear thanks to my breadcrumbing plan from earlier. He could easily not be, however, probably thanks to myself switching him and bum and accidentally foiling the DT check (sorry!). Coag is definately a green thanks to breadcrumbing earlier. Therefore, the true battle of red is between Lemon and Jackal. Both of them have much to gain if town lynches Tack, and both of them already think that Tack is the mafia. The question is which one of them is more scum than the other, and which one is playing the other for a fool. Personally I believe Jackal is scum. I had a FOS on him early in the game and he hasn't done much to change my mind. He failed my breadcrumbing test after refusing to participate, he has tunnelled players multiple times, and chainsaw defended virtually every single accusation against him. This entire plan is exactly the sort of thing he'd cook up; killing everyone but himself and Tack and somebody that aggrees with him (lemon) and then convincing town that Tack had murdered everyone in the night and lynching him. Who do we see supporting jackal on this? Who is supporting jackal even after Bum accused lemon? Rean and Decon. Scum. Coag. Played for fool. Coag, you even said that the only person who could have fooled you was jackal. Its whats happening right now, don't you see?! If you have more info (ie, dt check) I would release it right now. Therefore, mafia list: Kav Rean Decon Jackal And bum, I'd be very very careful with how you act from now on. I suspect the rest of my bus driving will be blocked by red/black, so I won't be able to save your ass again. I'm quoting this because I think some of you need to reread it (looking at you bum). Mindcontrol is the most logical way for the hit to have been shifted. Specificially (bum being hit notwithstanding, apparently that never happened), Tack can not be guilty because he thought Jackal had the gun. If Tack was mafia he would have mind controlled Jackal to kill annul and not Coagulation, who really had it. The hit was redirected to annul because everyone thought annul had activated his bomb out of rage. If things had worked differently, this would have worked perfectly for Jackal: Coagulation, the only other vetran in the IG would have been dead, Annul would have been dead, and the only people left in the game would have been Lemon, who already agreed with Jackal that Tack was the mafia, and Mafia, who the town suspected already. Jackal would have screamed bloody murder, saying that mafia must have bussed the hit to annul, and that we must lynch Tack immediately. However, this theory is dependant on the fact that black must have hit annul; otherwise, why would red have wasted two KP there? The only reason that they would have MC Coag was because they knew he had the gun. Therefore they knew exactly who was going to get shot with it. Why waste another of their KP on annul, and risk one of their lives to the bomb? Obviously they didn't. Black did. So if you have evidence that it was RED that hit annul bum, you'd better explain. | ||
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We're looking for: day/night posts Large sections of analysis (what i just posted up there for example) Slips/tells Different people's scumlists etc and etc. things that generated discussion such as ROL's fake hit on Annul that confirmed him town. | ||
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Mafia wants to win the item game, yes? They didn't have enough KP to end it last night, especially with lemon protecting his vest. So the only thing they could do was kill as many people strategically as they could, and then the following day claim that they were right all along and lynch somebody. They wanted you dead man. You were supposed to die last night when annul's bomb exploded. With you dead, the only people in the item game would be Jackal, Tack, and Lemon. What do you think would have happened then? If annul or you was the mafia town would win. But neither of you are the mafia. The fact is, the hit wasn't bussed from Tack to annul, because then Tack would have taken annuls hit. YOU were bussed (or MC'd) to annul. It doesn't make any logical sense for Tack to have orchestrated this, because he didn't know that you had the gun. Nobody knew that you had the gun; you guys covered that really well in the thread. I certainly didn't pick it up, and I pride myself on reading everything carefully. Tack, had he been mafia, would have undoubtedly placed the mind control on Jackal, not on annul because he thought that jackal would have been the one to kill him. He would have killed jackal off, not you. But that didn't happen; Tack couldn't possibly be mafia. Your vehemance in insisting that Tack is in fact mafia tells me that you know something you aren't sharing. Did you use your role (not item, ur alignment checking role) on Jackal and find him green? because that would change everything. If you did, what item did you destroy? Could it have been the hot potato? You checked annul last night, didn't you. Thats why his potato was destroyed. | ||
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That changes things dirastically however. What it means is that black must have been the ones who used MC. Yeeeeech. Now things get messy. If black used MC then they must have know that Coag had the gun. Coag, did you or Jackal or Lemon tell darm that you had a gun? | ||
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HOW DID THEY KNOW WHO HAD THE GUN COAG? Explain me that. HOW DID THEY KNOW? | ||
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That is hugely unlikely that they would spend so much of their force on a hunch like that. | ||
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Lets try it a new way: 1. Coag, why do you think you were mind controlled last night? 2. How did they know to mind control you? 3. Why didn't mafia just steal the gun from you? | ||
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I think you're right. I think thats exactly what happened. You gain +2, which brings you to a grand total of -1 in my book. Meanwhile, Tack goes from 1 to -15 . | ||
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Everybody wins! When does day 2 end? | ||
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If there is a mason circle that can PM now would be the time to do so. :D | ||
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I thought Tack was green too, so don't hate him too much. | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:37 tnkted wrote: I'm not going to say anymore about what I'm going to do because that would help mafia. Also, if nobody were to request my help that'd be fantastic because that would clue mafia into who i should save. If there is a mason circle that can PM now would be the time to do so. :D EBWOP: if there is a mason circle that can PM me was what i meant to say. | ||
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Yellow, if I were you I'd protect your vest tonight just in case. | ||
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Sorry about that, i'll work on it. | ||
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