EPTTL Mafia XXXVII - Page 97
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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bumatlarge
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
1.) This isn't the main point but it is an issue. it revolved around false logic and any good townie is going to consider all the possible angles, it would have been much, much better if either someone who wasn't lsb claimed the vigi shot OR there weren't any holes that made lynching one not necessarily prove anything about the other, for example if jackal had claimed the vigi shot I may have well believed it without hesitation. Still before putting out such a risky plan it would have helped if you had considered the angles, specifically that lynching you 100% proved LA either way while the converse was not true. 2.)This is what pisses me the hell off about the plan. It involves lying, any plan that requires a townie to lie is bad by definition. Why? because from this point on no one is going to touch anything LSB says with a ten foot pole, because for all we know lsb is putting up some elaborate plot to catch scum and if our reactions dont match his preconceived notion of what an ideal townie would react like, well then, you are royally fucked. So grats LSB you confirmed yourself and got scum in exchange for making no one able to trust anything you say. I mean next time you say "a dt claimed to me and said RoL is scum" we wont know weather its actually true or some devious plot to see who jumps on the bandwagon vs who doubts your word vs who stands and dances a jig and for that reason people will try to avoid touching it or commenting on it, EVERYONE will be noncommittal about it, because if their reaction isn't what you expect well... then they must be scum, hang them. Lying is bad for town. I can't say it enough, yet some people seem to be unable to grasp it. I mean I had doubts when LSB claimed vigi and stuff but that was out of fear he was a scum lying, trying to confirm himself. Now whether I believe his alignment or not I cannot believe his words. there is a reason for LaL and its not only "scum tend to lie" Was the plan clever? yes, yes it was, it gets applause from me for brilliant theory and decent execution. however I think you are going to find that it was overall detrimental to the town. Have fun with your blue circle, remember that its just like the one in salem that screwed town over, except successful. I congratulate you guys on successfully braking everything this game was supposed to be about, not claiming, avoiding having one single strong leader, having people operating in small independent cells. Everything. I guess this is proof that no one learned anything from salem after all . Also shout out to chaoser for awesome scum play. He certainly fooled me, and while you 'got' him with the bait and switch plan he got you by getting two townies to support him, ensuring you are going to waste at least one lynch, probably two. I think this is going to be my last real contribution, I obviously suck at scumhunting and the town has the game well in hand with their wonderful circle of blues and confirmed townies. /end rant | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On March 06 2011 15:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Bumatlarge has been mod killed for imitating a mod. Fixed that for you. I'm still unconvinced as to his real alignment. + Show Spoiler + The blue is a lie! Flip means nothing!+ Show Spoiler + Besides, last time I accused him of being scum, he actually was, so I've got the track record here. | ||
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Ser Aspi
France84 Posts
 That 1 post made him scum.btw gmarshal chaoser didnt die cause of bait and switch that was just marketing bs to convince people, no need to go insane. ill have some more stuff out tomorrow gotta run for now. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
That was a desperate attempt to keep lynch on LSB. Almost too desperate, compared to what happened so far in the game. Makes me think that GM/Barundar could just be really stubborn townies. But on the other hand, the mafia would put up a fight when there are only four people left, so at least some of the "anti-LSB" band must've been red. I'm still highly suspicious of gryffindor and kev atm. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
On February 23 2011 13:47 gryffindor wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 13:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, I'm just going to point this out, the number of GFs is limited. There is no way there would be 6 GFs, as that would mean 6 mafia KP, which seems a bit ridiculous. The GF is worth 1 KP it says in the OP, so if you assume a set-up of 3 KP for mafia, that means 3 GFs max, 1KP each. Speculation: If a grunt is worth say, .5 kp, so not the same as a GF, and fits in line with power costs, possible set-ups become something like: 3GF, 3 mafia total (3kp) 2GF 2grunts, 4 mafia total (3kp) 1GF 4grunts, 5 mafia total (3kp) I think the last two are more likely, but we should be able to tell more accurately after the first night kills and then after RB claims are in. Since the reds can manipulate innocents, frame, role-reverse No, there is no straight Godfather in my opinion I'm also very suspicious of this post: On February 23 2011 13:19 GMarshal wrote: for arguments sake going to create analysis cells, use them for informational analysis (even assuming I were scum there is no way) I could ensure each has a mafia member in it as there isn't enough mafia to go around (I am trying to put at least 1 TL vet in each) as the game progresses and people die we can have new cells form. (also you are free to create your own parallel cells) 1. Coagulation, LSB, gryffindor 2 GMarshal, seRapH, OriginalName 3 Mr. Wiggles, ICanFlyLow, kevconsim 4 Barundar, LastArgument , why 5 darmousseh, Ser Aspi, Kenpachi 6 Gofarman, chaoser, ohN 7 astroorion, CubEdIn, Jackal58 8 Beneather, annul, Conversion 9 icemac, Foolishness, LunarDestiny 10 deconduo, kitaman27, JBright This is just a suggestion, but I think it is a good one, discuss This would get us raped by the role reverser, and is really a scummy idea unvote; ##Vote: GMarshal I proposed an idea like this as scum. I noticed it as a scum-motivated plan. I voted accordingly. You all should have listened! On February 23 2011 13:50 GMarshal wrote: did you not read the part about it being only for analysis? There will be no roleclaims in those circles, unlike you not all players feel the urge to announce their blue status to make themselves targets for mafia. Are you tired or are you playing stupid intentionally? On February 23 2011 14:09 gryffindor wrote: Oh, so now you have to dip into Ad Hominem Go ahead and crossvote with me, mafia I'm onto you You are playing completely differently than I saw you as town Notice how I got onto him for his tone, even telling him I was onto him. Notice how I attacked him for meta. On February 23 2011 16:11 gryffindor wrote: initial reads: people to keep alive: gryffindor foolishness coagulation kenpachi ser aspi -cut- Notice my initial town reads over a week ago On February 24 2011 19:21 gryffindor wrote: -cut- I would rather lynch someone through my proper sleuthery in finding tells that they have made, such as the associative tells between GMarshal and Annul that I found, which is enough for me to be happy with where my vote is. Couple that with the fact that both have had wishy-washy voting/pushing, and with the incrimination of icemac, and I'd be surprised if two out of three weren't scum. Foolishness, however, disagrees with me on this. His loss! Still pushing Annul and GMarshal On February 24 2011 10:24 gryffindor wrote: Annul is teamed with gmarshal. When mafia fos someone d1 and vote someone else they are teamed with their fos. On my phone, will catch up more later. This is a huge slip for d1 though, two scum caught possibly. Check that distancing I bet that had them shitting themselves On February 24 2011 20:42 gryffindor wrote: Deconduo, do you see how a scum could propose a cell idea? well? I know I'm not "under pressure" exactly, but since I was pushing LSB, and he proved me wrong *tips hat*, I felt I needed somewhat of a defense up. I'm back around page 86, catching up, but I've skimmed backwards from the post seeing chaoser was mafia. Good job guys, when I saw that on the voting thread I was like omg, they let mafia make a good ploy... but really, coagulation saved the town. Congratulations, Coagulation. On March 05 2011 17:40 gryffindor wrote: -cut- The only thing that is making me hesitant is the quickness of this wagon -cut- see my indecisiveness? ...anyways On March 06 2011 08:06 GMarshal wrote: Well, at this point I'm 100% chaoser isn't scum, if he is he has put in so much effort into making his pms consistent and logical that he deserves to keep my vote. Sorry LSB, but I refuse to let you get away with this justification for lying, if it really is an elaborate town plan then you should have tested it for inconsistencies before posting it, the whole hanging the vet proves nothing point is pretty strong. Now if I'm wrong again and choaser flips red well then on my head be it. But I dont think thats going to happen Check this defense... This is the 2nd scum he has defended, at least, and that is confirmed. On March 06 2011 08:10 GMarshal wrote: Night 1 you say? assuming the poor sod is still alive though, you have no reason to kill him, you get to "suggest" who he protects, and look that way you don't have to double stack foolishness. or really worry about his protects. He then goes on to attack the fact that a medic has already died, when with 30 people 1 medic would be very underpowered. On March 06 2011 08:16 Barundar wrote: Lolololol, I can post Skype conversations from the entire game with Chaoser for us discussing targets. Now you are really trying hard This is pretty damning. It's not 100%, but I'd be happy voting him for this. On March 06 2011 08:18 LSB wrote: I could post AIM conversations from the entire game with BC discussing targets. Now you are really trying hard. Oh wait, I was mafia that game. I could post PMs with Doctor H from the game discussing targets. Oh wait, I was mafia that game. Posting PMs to try to prove your town does not work and is a common mafia tactic. I agree with this sentiment. Usually the people who use QuickTime/MSN/IRC/AIM are scum. Yet again, it's not 100%. I've seen town circles use it. I believe it was Mafia XXX that I read where town used that? On March 06 2011 09:53 GMarshal wrote: That should be a pretty good hint that its a desperation ploy rather than an actual plan, good plans are planned with time to actually work rather than pulled out of thin air with a few hours left. LSB of all people should be well aware of this Well, that's not how it ended up. I can't tell you that I wouldn't have been doing the exact same thing as you, and questioning whether or not it was a ploy. That was my initial reaction, but after seeing LSB's bait and switch technique, I honestly am sorry that I disrespected him in the past for his ability. I'm so sad about this. Forgive me, LSB? On March 06 2011 09:54 Coagulation wrote: IM THE MEDIC I MEDIC PROT HIM LAST NIGHT AND BLOCKED A HIT. LSB IS CONFIRMED TOWN. This is what I was pushing for when GMarshal was pushing his cell idea. Medic confirmation is really good for the town. On March 06 2011 10:05 Ace wrote: hahahahahahahahahahahaha ^this lol that facepalm...... On March 06 2011 10:22 kevconsim wrote: ##unvote LSB ^I told you he's a townie, guys. On March 06 2011 12:06 Coagulation wrote: people who voted to lynch LSB LSB Barundar gryffindor deconduo why chaoser kevconsim GMarshal ohN I agree with this list, except possibly why. I'm sitting on the fence on him... there should only be 3 scum left, btw. On March 06 2011 12:07 Coagulation wrote: DUDE IF YOUR NOT MAFIA THIS GAME YOU HAVE HANDS DOWN PLAYED WORST TOWN GAME EVER POSSIBLE. DEFEND ANNUL SOME MORE? DEFEND CHAOSER SOME MORE? I'm glad someone agrees with me. You remind me of how I played this game 2 years~ or so ago, in my mafia infancy. On March 06 2011 12:07 LSB wrote: ^you forgot Seraph could you find where he defended seraph? I know he was all over JBright, but I didn't recall that, hence why I said he only defended 2 confirmed scum... I trust you, now, though. On March 06 2011 21:31 CubEdIn wrote: Wow, 10 pages. That was a desperate attempt to keep lynch on LSB. Almost too desperate, compared to what happened so far in the game. Makes me think that GM/Barundar could just be really stubborn townies. But on the other hand, the mafia would put up a fight when there are only four people left, so at least some of the "anti-LSB" band must've been red. I'm still highly suspicious of gryffindor and kev atm. you're wrong on your suspicions, and here is my defense. I'm going to be kevconsim's lawyer, too, so address him to me. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
I will be doublestacking on LSB. I don't care if I die, since some of you find me to be scum. Where is our mad hatter at? Bombs on Barundar and GMarshal would be nice. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CLAIM? WHY? | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I also agree that you've been right a couple of times in this game. But then again, that's not real proof because it's really easy to be right as mafia. You just have to know how to ration it out. I was just suspicious of your actions in which you are putting yourself in the same boat as the veterans, without actually contributing in the same way that they do. Either way, I think that what you just did is incredibly dumb. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 06 2011 22:03 gryffindor wrote: I am the 3rd medic, by the way, guys I will be doublestacking on LSB. I don't care if I die, since some of you find me to be scum. Where is our mad hatter at? Bombs on Barundar and GMarshal would be nice. Are you nuts????? If you really are the medic there are 3 very confirmed townies you could have claimed to. Insanity defenses rarely work. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 06 2011 15:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Bumatlarge has been mod killed for imitating a mod. Is this for real???? And could you update the player list please. Pretty please. Don't kill me. I got my bums and barundars mixed up. Hangovers suck. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
If you don't "feel I have contributed [as much as the veterans", read me in isolation. You will see that, in fact, I am better than many of the so called "veterans". | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I'll post more postgame but my logic makes sense. LSB claimed vigi, LA said he got hit and survived. In that situation you always kill vigi to confirm the person who got hit. Look over previous games where this happened. It leads to 100% confirmed townie (unless of medic protect on a mafia). | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On March 07 2011 01:05 chaoser wrote: I'll post more postgame but my logic makes sense. LSB claimed vigi, LA said he got hit and survived. In that situation you always kill vigi to confirm the person who got hit. Look over previous games where this happened. It leads to 100% confirmed townie (unless of medic protect on a mafia). Yeah we should definitely talk more about this postgame, but I'll just say I disagree in this situation. | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
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