EPTTL Mafia XXXVII - Page 53
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 28 2011 07:24 GMarshal wrote: ok, so can we agree to lynch neither LSB nor Barundar? I feel both of them are town and losing either of them would hurt town, I would much rather we hung an inactive or lurking player, as we really should not risk killing two players who are playing pro -town at the moment, if either is scum we can rely on the other to pick up on it as they suspect each other heavily, if both of them are scum then they are clearly on drugs of some sort. I'm trying. The only influence I have is when I fart in a small room and people leave. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
fuck it, i'm going to vote for the guy i've been suspicious of instead of this LSB/Barundar bullcrap vote: icemac | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Also because Annul was reluctant to move the lynch onto Icemac | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On February 28 2011 07:50 LSB wrote: Voting Icemac because I want to move the lynch off of just 4 people. Also because Annul was reluctant to move the lynch onto Icemac Im wondering if he used reverse psychology.. i think we have to look back at the situation at the time | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And yes, it is vital to the game that you all know this information. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On February 28 2011 06:02 Jackal58 wrote: First off. kevconsim - I'm flattered that you think highly enough of me to put me in your sig. Thank you. You must work on Madison Ave. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 04:46 CubEdIn wrote: Hi again peoples. Here's a crappy cell-phone pic of yesterday! + Show Spoiler + I GOT TO SEE SNOW! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BSyWf.jpg) Now, to the issues at hand. Obviously, the most pressing issue is LSB vs Barundar. LSB: Mostly, the most trouble I have with this is that, if Barundar is right, we have to kill someone who really pushed a red on day 1. That's all. We shouldn't really do this. Here is why: - If LSB is town, and he's as good as people say he is, then he will be targeted by mafia, sooner or later. - If LSB is red, he already outed a team-mate. If mafia is as ballsy as Barundar says, then they might do something equally strange in order to clear LSB. In which case, it spells good for town. So I have no idea why so many people are going along with this. At least give LSB one-two more days and see how the game goes. You can't possibly want one of the more experienced players to die, after pushing a red, based entirely on "he could have played this exactly the same if he was red". True, but that's not a convincing argument. Not for me anyway. There are just two things that make me not dismiss this completely: 1. Harry Potter Mafia, when LSB seemed very, very pro-town in the thread, and he was scum. It can be said that he was Snape so he might have known he was ultimately town-aligned, but at the time he was in our scum team, yet he played very pro-town in the thread (or at least make it seem that way). This could be a more advanced version of that. 2. The "once he flips red" made it seem extremely confident. Which is a bit weird since it was day one. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be that confident in day 1. Barundar: I don't know if Barundar is red or town, but I honestly don't think it is something that mafia would do. Let's think for a second here, take what Barundar said: The thing is, when someone plays as mafia, it’s hard to do analysis because you know that the person who you are doing analysis is town, so you have to make up stuff. It's kinda hard to make up so much stuff just to try and sink LSB, and even if you do (say, Barundar is red and LSB is town), then it doesn't make any sense because Barundar would die next night for sure, so it would basically be two mafia down just to kill LSB. So if he is red (and they want LSB dead), it's just a really bad move, because once LSB flips town, he's dead. If he's town, it's an even worse move, because if LSB is town, then Barundar will most likely get lynched as well, and you will have wasted two lynches, and two of the better players and get absolutely nowhere. So here's what I'm saying: 1. Think really well about who to vote for. 2. FoS on those who voted on LSB with saying "oh wow that was a good analysis" but didn't really bother to THINK about it and the other possiblities and the outcomes. I'm sure there's at least a few mafia among them who were oh-so-glad an experienced townie is being targeted. Here are a few examples: Yeah, that's a good freaking reason. Why would you bother thinking for yourself when someone posted a 3-part-post? No mafia writes that much! This seems scummiest to me: "mafia probably just got some lucky snipes" - something of a 'reverse-gloating', being happy with the kills but trying to look very pro-town by saying almost nothing. "Probably has one experience player and a load of non-experienced players" - umm, yeah, we can tell that based on... ummm.... ?! slip?! "I like risks however so I think the Bus is definitly plausible" - i like the risk of killing one of the best town players on the 50-50% he's red. (I'm saying 50-50 because he said it's "plausible", not likely or anything else) Of course, my whole theory tumbles if LSB is indeed red. But we are basing this solely on the idea that the mafia team pushed Annul to a lynch on day one, which is a massively ballsy thing to do. I'm not saying LSB is town, but at least give it more time to develop, just don't claim to him or whatever if you don't trust him. As for Jackal, I didn't think he was scum, and I wanted to post a few bits based on Mafia 36 that made me think it was unlikely that he is red, but then he gave up on Gryph and voted LSB based on the fact that it's either him or Barundar, again, being certain that one of them is red, which no player should do so early in the game. That's about enough for now, as I still want to look over the posts and see if I can find someone worthy of my vote. But unless something really scummy pops up, it's definitely not gonna be LSB or Barundar. Not this time band-wagon-man! Here's my problem Cubed. Everybody expects me to tunnel. They call me aggressive. I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't I understand what you wanted to link in XXXVI. My persistent vote on you. The difference between then and now is then I was positive you were on the red team. Now I have no one individual I can point at and say "you are scum" Not yet anyways. Barundar believes me to be scum due to my not tunneling. If you read the games I've been in til late game that "tunneling" hasn't started until about day 3 or so. We are still in day two. We have a pissing contest between two people that fervently believe the other is scum. I am vacillating between believing that either they both are or neither are. I honestly don't know yet. What I do know is I am surly incapable of pushing for a lynch on gryffindor. deconduo is the only other person here that I can see that would keep their vote on him til the end of day. I do know that I am going to change my vote back. I have seen enough from both of them to believe it to be at best a 50/50 shot of hanging another red. I don't like 50/50. ##UNVOTE: LSB ##VOTE: gryffindor I'd rather lynch a 100% confirmed liar. Oh, no, you understood me wrong. I was going to say that you had some moments in Mafia 36 where you were very pro-town. I found similarities here as well, and I was thinking about writing those in order to back you up as being town. BUT, your vote towards LSB made me think twice. I'm not saying it makes you scummy, I'm just saying that I'm not very keen into backing you up anymore, because I very much disagreed with your move. Also, I was going to post this sooner, but now I'm even more annoyed. What the fk Kenpachi? You always make me go WTF when I play with you. Can you please explain, how did your vote on Barundar make sense? If he was red, would it make sense that two reds die to kill LSB? Wouldn't it be easier to just triple-stack him and get it over with? And now you're saying "well it could be this or that, we should think about it!". I don't think you're putting too much into this game, as you only seem to be posting controversial things. I know that sometimes your approach works (like say, voting for a bunch of people to get them to talk), but you also do a lot of things that make no sense whatsoever to me, like voting for Barundar. The only way that Barundar is scum is if he devised a way to lynch LSB and then come out as town (like hope that a DT checks him and he is Godfather), otherwise, it's a 1-1 trade for mafia which just doesn't make sense, because if LSB flipped green, then the town would 90% sure turn on Barundar. That being said, still have no idea who to vote for. I would vote for OriginalName because of the reasons mentioned in my previous post (bussing LSB with no explanation), but I was thinking of voting for icemac in day 1 as well, and I think LSB is right about not splitting votes. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Now I really don't know who to vote for. | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote Icemac | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On February 25 2011 04:49 annul wrote: that makes no sense i dont know why this wagon is rolling on iceman we need to be voting for people that actually deserve it, such as people who bring in horrible ideas, like GM. obviously when there is 1 minute left if the vote is still close i will have to revote to iceman, but i would really much rather this wagon be GM/chaos or, if it HAS to be me (why is this always the case regardless of my role?), then me and GM. remember LSB just has a grudge against me. go read 35. ive called GM out for a bad idea and actually gave reasons, and i'm red... where 5 people have wagoned onto iceman for a much worse reason and face no heat? think about it Defends icemac. On February 25 2011 10:32 annul wrote: alright, i guess it is time to make my move. i don't like iceman as a lynch, and to be honest i would really rather it be GM (even still). but that won't happen, and i need to save my ass. there seems to be a wiggles and a gryffindor wagon forming, and of these, i'll go with what i think is most likely to roll instead of me. ##unvote ##vote gryffindor At this time, he has 10 votes on him and his push for gryff was unsuccessful and he states once again that he doesnt want to lynch icemac | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 28 2011 08:25 Ace wrote: ## Vote CubEdIn ##Vote Ace he seems like kind of a lurker, almost as if he weren't playing in this game or something  | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
DI'JA LOGIN WITH THE WRONG ACCOUNT? DI'JA? I looked over the past few pages 5 times, and nobody really sticks out as scum. Icemac is more scummy than either LSB or Barundar in my eyes, but not enough for him to deserve a lynch. Can't I just stick to OriginalName? | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
If you think I've played anti town, go back and read my posts. I raised suspecion against LSB, and he responded with an omgus. His arguments against my case was purely offensive. I'll just leave with my favorite quote of his: I know annul red, ezpz. I know Barundar is red. Lynch him and clear me. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On February 28 2011 08:37 CubEdIn wrote: Lol yeah, the second I saw it I was like "Fuck, ACE, how did I not think about busing him?!" DI'JA LOGIN WITH THE WRONG ACCOUNT? DI'JA? I looked over the past few pages 5 times, and nobody really sticks out as scum. Icemac is more scummy than either LSB or Barundar in my eyes, but not enough for him to deserve a lynch. Can't I just stick to OriginalName? wut why would you wanna bus ace? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
##Vote Icemac | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 28 2011 08:37 Barundar wrote: I have to go to bed now. Letting LSB misdirect the lynch is a bad idea, I'm willing to give myself up 1 for 1, his problem is he knows I will flip green. If you think I've played anti town, go back and read my posts. I raised suspecion against LSB, and he responded with an omgus. His arguments against my case was purely offensive. I'll just leave with my favorite quote of his: If your willing to vote for yourself, I'll me more than happy to go and lynch you. The problem is there are too many lynches and we have to narrow it down to force mafia to take positions on all issues. For example, you flip red. Well, that tells us a lot about 3 players in the game, but there are 20+ others that have barely even commented on the lynch besides taking a cursory stance. | ||
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