EPTTL Mafia XXXVII - Page 52
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RLTY
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 28 2011 04:42 LastArgument wrote: This post ranks players in three catagories. 1 being the “top players” 2 being ones who have experience or shown to have it 3 being people who have less experience than 2 4 being new players. However, if you start reading the post more carefully, you will realize it’s a post indicating how the mafia “should” hit people to avoid off the radar. Now, a mafia reading this post now knows how to properly divide hits to maximize the team from dying. It doesn’t directly say how we should be saving those people, or how to analyze them. (note: he makes a short post on “how to use this list” right after but essentially says its useless till day 4-5). That's a good thing. In case you haven't played TL Mafia XXXV, TL Mafia XXXIV, TL Mafia XXXIII. All those games were lost because mafia shot everyone in Priority two, leaving inactivity to win. What this list is trying to accomplish is a counter to the strategy. By pointing out priority two people, it makes it costly for the mafia to shoot them. If the Mafia starts choosing to not hit priority two people to stay off the radar. That is incredibly good for town, as it starves off an inactivity death. This list didn’t provide people who should be dt checked, it didn’t provide a list of who should be medic protected. It instead provided a long post that doesn’t help the town as much as it helps mafia. Why make a post as town that shows activity but barely helps the town at all? This could be a lack of experience on my part, but it surprises me this post was made without further detailing or breaking down of how the town can use the information aside from “bide and wait till people die to pin the reds” Medic protects priority 1/2. DT check Priority 3 and uncatagorized. There. In addition, I don't know if you didn't notice it, but right underneath the post was my reasons for why you should use the list http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=46#910 | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 04:46 CubEdIn wrote: Hi again peoples. Here's a crappy cell-phone pic of yesterday! + Show Spoiler + I GOT TO SEE SNOW! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BSyWf.jpg) Now, to the issues at hand. Obviously, the most pressing issue is LSB vs Barundar. LSB: Mostly, the most trouble I have with this is that, if Barundar is right, we have to kill someone who really pushed a red on day 1. That's all. We shouldn't really do this. Here is why: - If LSB is town, and he's as good as people say he is, then he will be targeted by mafia, sooner or later. - If LSB is red, he already outed a team-mate. If mafia is as ballsy as Barundar says, then they might do something equally strange in order to clear LSB. In which case, it spells good for town. So I have no idea why so many people are going along with this. At least give LSB one-two more days and see how the game goes. You can't possibly want one of the more experienced players to die, after pushing a red, based entirely on "he could have played this exactly the same if he was red". True, but that's not a convincing argument. Not for me anyway. There are just two things that make me not dismiss this completely: 1. Harry Potter Mafia, when LSB seemed very, very pro-town in the thread, and he was scum. It can be said that he was Snape so he might have known he was ultimately town-aligned, but at the time he was in our scum team, yet he played very pro-town in the thread (or at least make it seem that way). This could be a more advanced version of that. 2. The "once he flips red" made it seem extremely confident. Which is a bit weird since it was day one. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be that confident in day 1. Barundar: I don't know if Barundar is red or town, but I honestly don't think it is something that mafia would do. Let's think for a second here, take what Barundar said: The thing is, when someone plays as mafia, it’s hard to do analysis because you know that the person who you are doing analysis is town, so you have to make up stuff. It's kinda hard to make up so much stuff just to try and sink LSB, and even if you do (say, Barundar is red and LSB is town), then it doesn't make any sense because Barundar would die next night for sure, so it would basically be two mafia down just to kill LSB. So if he is red (and they want LSB dead), it's just a really bad move, because once LSB flips town, he's dead. If he's town, it's an even worse move, because if LSB is town, then Barundar will most likely get lynched as well, and you will have wasted two lynches, and two of the better players and get absolutely nowhere. So here's what I'm saying: 1. Think really well about who to vote for. 2. FoS on those who voted on LSB with saying "oh wow that was a good analysis" but didn't really bother to THINK about it and the other possiblities and the outcomes. I'm sure there's at least a few mafia among them who were oh-so-glad an experienced townie is being targeted. Here are a few examples: Yeah, that's a good freaking reason. Why would you bother thinking for yourself when someone posted a 3-part-post? No mafia writes that much! This seems scummiest to me: "mafia probably just got some lucky snipes" - something of a 'reverse-gloating', being happy with the kills but trying to look very pro-town by saying almost nothing. "Probably has one experience player and a load of non-experienced players" - umm, yeah, we can tell that based on... ummm.... ?! slip?! "I like risks however so I think the Bus is definitly plausible" - i like the risk of killing one of the best town players on the 50-50% he's red. (I'm saying 50-50 because he said it's "plausible", not likely or anything else) Of course, my whole theory tumbles if LSB is indeed red. But we are basing this solely on the idea that the mafia team pushed Annul to a lynch on day one, which is a massively ballsy thing to do. I'm not saying LSB is town, but at least give it more time to develop, just don't claim to him or whatever if you don't trust him. As for Jackal, I didn't think he was scum, and I wanted to post a few bits based on Mafia 36 that made me think it was unlikely that he is red, but then he gave up on Gryph and voted LSB based on the fact that it's either him or Barundar, again, being certain that one of them is red, which no player should do so early in the game. That's about enough for now, as I still want to look over the posts and see if I can find someone worthy of my vote. But unless something really scummy pops up, it's definitely not gonna be LSB or Barundar. Not this time band-wagon-man! Here's my problem Cubed. Everybody expects me to tunnel. They call me aggressive. I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't I understand what you wanted to link in XXXVI. My persistent vote on you. The difference between then and now is then I was positive you were on the red team. Now I have no one individual I can point at and say "you are scum" Not yet anyways. Barundar believes me to be scum due to my not tunneling. If you read the games I've been in til late game that "tunneling" hasn't started until about day 3 or so. We are still in day two. We have a pissing contest between two people that fervently believe the other is scum. I am vacillating between believing that either they both are or neither are. I honestly don't know yet. What I do know is I am surly incapable of pushing for a lynch on gryffindor. deconduo is the only other person here that I can see that would keep their vote on him til the end of day. I do know that I am going to change my vote back. I have seen enough from both of them to believe it to be at best a 50/50 shot of hanging another red. I don't like 50/50. ##UNVOTE: LSB ##VOTE: gryffindor I'd rather lynch a 100% confirmed liar. | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
The funny thing is i just changed it and now i see that you commented on it +3 cool points for me | ||
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LSB
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I'm willing to lynch icemac/barundar | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
because u will say i want to lynch icemac/barundar Icemac will say LSB/Barundar Barundar will say LSB/Icemac | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 28 2011 06:10 LSB wrote: Well, I think we should pick two people to set as who to lynch. We shouldn't split our votes between four people, that makes it easier for Mafia to hide behind a wall of votes. I'm willing to lynch icemac/barundar We are aware of your willingness. What is your unwillingness to lynch gryffindor? | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
Madison Ave? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 28 2011 06:15 Jackal58 wrote: We are aware of your willingness. What is your unwillingness to lynch gryffindor? He always plays like this, I'd rather have a DT check used on this. Case in point, Haunted Mafia. He tried to get people to claim to him, pretended a DT claimed to him when there was none, and then lied repeatedly, gotmodkilled and flipped town. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 28 2011 06:36 kevconsim wrote: Jackal you haven't answered my question yet For realz???? From Wiki The term "Madison Avenue" is often used metonymically for advertising, and Madison Avenue became identified with the advertising industry after the explosive growth in this area in the 1920s. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 28 2011 06:43 LSB wrote: He always plays like this, I'd rather have a DT check used on this. Case in point, Haunted Mafia. He tried to get people to claim to him, pretended a DT claimed to him when there was none, and then lied repeatedly, gotmodkilled and flipped town. If he always plays like this it's the other players fault for tolerating it. Lynch him. | ||
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LSB
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bumatlarge
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Jackal58
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Jackal58
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On February 28 2011 06:59 bumatlarge wrote: What did gryff lie about? I know he's an erratic player, but depending on the lie, that's a cause for concern I'd say. Mod PM's he didn't receive. | ||
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bumatlarge
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I should know -_- | ||
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chaoser
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chaoser
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LunarDestiny
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LSB says Barunder's analysis on him read too much on few posts and contain many WIFOMs. --- First if Barunder is scum and wants town LSB dead, he won't be satisfy being lynched first. His posts after he 3 essay sized posts did not follow up with the aggressive natural of the essay sized posts. If he is mafia, he needs to get LSB lynched before he is lynched. Because he is willing to be lynched first, that just defeats the original point of his essay sized posts if he is mafia. LSB did attacked back Barunder. This is pretty standard play and is very like LSB's play. Look back at XXXV when annul accused LSB as scum with shit posts that didn't make much sense, LSB fought back like how he is now. He justified it as putting some pressure back at his accuser and see if he will slip. Barunder did not and again is willing to be lynched first. To summarize, I don't think Barunder is scum. LSB is playing his standard in terms of his responds (not saying his alignment is town). One additional thing to point out is that they really believe the other is scum. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 28 2011 07:04 bumatlarge wrote: Page or link? Was it something RoL or meapak clarified because those are pretty damning. I should know -_- Pages 32-35. | ||
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