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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On February 28 2011 09:40 GMarshal wrote:
Ok, so reading over Foolishness post and looking back at XXXVI only on thing stands out in my mind, and thats the fact that when LD was the SK he played aggressively pro town, I would have guessed that he would play the same style as mafia, however I could be wrong, and there is certainly something off about LD this game. I already said earlier that just by looking at icemac's posts I wasn't really feeling that icemac was scum, so I'll change my vote (again), I dont think enough people are going to switch over to actually get a lynch on LD today, but its worth a try, worst case scenario we lynch a town and end up with a lurker being forced to be more active
##unvote: icemac
##Vote: LunarDestiny
When I remember reading past games, LunarDestiny always seemed to have a presence. You always had him in mind because he was always there contributing (or in one case, killing people). At one point I forgot that he was even in this game, which is a far deviation from his norm. I feel like he's purposely trying to be under the radar this game, while in past games he didn't seem to care. As mentioned, he was aggressive as an SK, but I've always thought people will act more like a town as an SK than a mafia.
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Ok. First, I'll admit that my post behavior in this game is weird since I am usually a player who tend to post more than other players. My excuse is being busy.
You also pointed out that I posted a lot more in XXXV. That game was after Pokemafia. Although I didn't played that game, lurker killed that game far more than other games. So I debated ways to out lurkers. At the end of the day, I also did jump on to the LSB/Annul case there and kind of justify my vote. I had a lot more to debate there.
Lastly the pm thing. Here are the whole pm chain I had with Foolishness:
Original Message From Foolishness: Oh whoops. probably should've researched that before I asked you =P But yeah go ahead, every little bit helps! Show nested quote +Original Message From LunarDestiny: I spent more of my posts talking about how I hate bandwagon... However, I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV where his postings are similar since they are not logical. Original Message From Foolishness:
Time to do Foolishness a favor:
Can you vote for annul? I want to pressure him because I'm thinking he's mafia. However I have always been a firm believer in not lynching active players day 1 (no matter what), and I don't want to stray from my norm and have someone realize it >.>
The idea is that we pressure him, then compare everything he says to mafia XXXV and see if he's mafia.
I did exactly what you asked. I called Annul out other than tell him to give reason why he changed his vote to see if his reason is logical or not.
You said that I didn't want to take a side. I refuse to finalize my vote for a player if I don't reason to believe he is scum (however, I do support in putting pressure vote to get people talking). I explained why i don't think annul is scum. Tell me what other side there are except voting annul. At that time, the other two highest vote players (icemac and icanflylow) have 4 votes and their votes are pretty much lurker/inactive votes. I voted icemac to get him talking.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
You directly said in a post (I quoted it on previous page):
"Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions.""
You directly told me (in PM):
"I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV"
Did I misunderstand something?
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LDs playstyle as. 'scum' (Im referencing DYLM here (Which was 'reverse mafia')) LD lurked the entire game now to begin with it was really luck based and discouraged Lynching but he was the sole person with a kp who accomplished anything.
I completely forgot he existed in this game until foolishness brought it up again and really I was almost starting to be suspicious of his lurking (if that's his style then please just say so) until that big post. I can get behind a lurker way easier then LSB despite some possibilities.
One thing that bugged me About LSB was the list though and I have to ask what the point of it was other than giving scum guidelines on who to kill and us a pseudo medic protect and priority guide I think that could have been accomplished in other ways. Namely just pointing out experience rather than just catagorizing "likely blue roles"
I apologize for not really thinking it over after the list though I need to stop sheeping so hard. However by the same vein Id really like to lynch an inactive right now and while I have lingering feelings about icemac (see d1) II think this might be the slightly better lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote Lunerdestiny
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##unvote: icemac
##Vote: LunarDestiny
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Holy crap 3 posts while I was writng T_T
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On February 28 2011 09:56 Foolishness wrote:
You directly said in a post (I quoted it on previous page):
"Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions.""
You directly told me (in PM):
"I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV"
Did I misunderstand something?
Wow, that is 100% what I actually said...
Yes, I only called annul out. What I tried to do is to ask annul for reason why he switch his lynch and see if his reason is logical.
Give me a break dammit, I reply your post after 6 minutes you sent me the pm. I didn't put much thought in my reply. Fault me for not doing what I promised.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On February 25 2011 10:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
Annul, if you don't do anything people will not switch vote. This play style of yours is getting you lynched. While I still believe your aggressiveness is lower compared to other games, what makes you an easy lynch is that you don't reply with logical responses. I hope that is not what mafia is going for.
Also, town players roleclaim regardless when they are getting lynched. That "you'll know soon after" is not general town play.
Can you at least tell us what you observed?
Well, time to vote...
Icemac, you took a huge dive. Care to explained your voting or what you see on the thread?
You seem so reluctant to vote, almost like you don't really want to. If you didn't think annul was mafia, you should have defended harder, or provide reason why we should lynch icemac over him. It's understandable that you would vote for icemac (better him than annul if you think annul is innocent). It's not understandable for you to just vote without giving clear reason. Unless you changed your mind half way through day (it's okay if you did) you thought annul was innocent the whole time correct? If so why not find a better target to lynch? Right now I think all of LSB/Barundar/icemac are innocent, that's why I made a case against you, however hopeless it may be. It seemed like you didn't want to kill any of annul/icemac (which is okay). But tossing your vote on icemac like you did tells me that you really didn't care if icemac died, and that you really didn't care to try to find someone else to vote for. That's not the kind of player I want in my town.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On February 28 2011 10:07 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 09:56 Foolishness wrote:
You directly said in a post (I quoted it on previous page):
"Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions.""
You directly told me (in PM):
"I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV"
Did I misunderstand something? Wow, that is 100% what I actually said... Yes, I only called annul out. What I tried to do is to ask annul for reason why he switch his lynch and see if his reason is logical. Give me a break dammit, I reply your post after 6 minutes you sent me the pm. I didn't put much thought in my reply. Fault me for not doing what I promised.
Your post is a defense of annul, you didn't call him out. People had already mentioned he was playing like he did in XXXV, you defended annul by saying "there's a difference between annul this game and last game. Last game he was using flawed reasons, this game he justified his vote".
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I'm going to go with foolishness here. I'd noticed previously that LD is definitely not as active as he usually is and he also defended annul without trying to appear that he was doing so. Also, he voted for icemac as a throwaway vote just at the time people were unloading from annul near the end so he might have thought annul had a chance to be saved and so didn't just vote annul.
I also want to switch so there is a close vote between two people so we can watch for vote switching.
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##Vote: LunarDestiny
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On February 28 2011 10:09 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 10:07 LunarDestiny wrote:On February 28 2011 09:56 Foolishness wrote:
You directly said in a post (I quoted it on previous page):
"Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions.""
You directly told me (in PM):
"I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV"
Did I misunderstand something? Wow, that is 100% what I actually said... Yes, I only called annul out. What I tried to do is to ask annul for reason why he switch his lynch and see if his reason is logical. Give me a break dammit, I reply your post after 6 minutes you sent me the pm. I didn't put much thought in my reply. Fault me for not doing what I promised. Your post is a defense of annul, you didn't call him out. People had already mentioned he was playing like he did in XXXV, you defended annul by saying "there's a difference between annul this game and last game. Last game he was using flawed reasons, this game he justified his vote".
Well, that is my style of calling people out. Asking them to contribution more. When i called him out, I didn't do much research on his play, I just asked him to explain his reason.
The post where I defended annul is much later (1 day later?). I looked over annul's posts and was convinced that his aggressiveness is much lower is not good reasons why he is scum.
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On February 28 2011 10:07 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 10:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
Annul, if you don't do anything people will not switch vote. This play style of yours is getting you lynched. While I still believe your aggressiveness is lower compared to other games, what makes you an easy lynch is that you don't reply with logical responses. I hope that is not what mafia is going for.
Also, town players roleclaim regardless when they are getting lynched. That "you'll know soon after" is not general town play.
Can you at least tell us what you observed?
Well, time to vote...
Icemac, you took a huge dive. Care to explained your voting or what you see on the thread? You seem so reluctant to vote, almost like you don't really want to. If you didn't think annul was mafia, you should have defended harder, or provide reason why we should lynch icemac over him. It's understandable that you would vote for icemac (better him than annul if you think annul is innocent). It's not understandable for you to just vote without giving clear reason. Unless you changed your mind half way through day (it's okay if you did) you thought annul was innocent the whole time correct? If so why not find a better target to lynch? Right now I think all of LSB/Barundar/icemac are innocent, that's why I made a case against you, however hopeless it may be. It seemed like you didn't want to kill any of annul/icemac (which is okay). But tossing your vote on icemac like you did tells me that you really didn't care if icemac died, and that you really didn't care to try to find someone else to vote for. That's not the kind of player I want in my town.
I post what I see. I saw annul's aggressiveness should not be the reason why he should be lynched. I don't see anymore reason why annul is not scum other than his annul is almost too easy.
Again, I believe that there was not enough why annul should be lynched and I did pointed out every counter reason why I thought annul was not scum.
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Hi just got back home, let me read up on the thread and catch up
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##Vote: icemac
In case it takes a while to read, was kinda gone the whole weekend kinda
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anyone know what the vote count is at>?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
LunarDestiny has yet to contribute much of anything:
On February 28 2011 07:18 LunarDestiny wrote:
Barunder wants to lynch LSB and even is willing to go with sacrificing himself first to prove he is not scum.
LSB says Barunder's analysis on him read too much on few posts and contain many WIFOMs.
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First if Barunder is scum and wants town LSB dead, he won't be satisfy being lynched first. His posts after he 3 essay sized posts did not follow up with the aggressive natural of the essay sized posts. If he is mafia, he needs to get LSB lynched before he is lynched. Because he is willing to be lynched first, that just defeats the original point of his essay sized posts if he is mafia.
LSB did attacked back Barunder. This is pretty standard play and is very like LSB's play. Look back at XXXV when annul accused LSB as scum with shit posts that didn't make much sense, LSB fought back like how he is now. He justified it as putting some pressure back at his accuser and see if he will slip. Barunder did not and again is willing to be lynched first.
To summarize, I don't think Barunder is scum. LSB is playing his standard in terms of his responds (not saying his alignment is town). One additional thing to point out is that they really believe the other is scum.
You seem to say Barundar and LSB are not scum (which is the same conclusion I drew) yet you provided zero help to the town about it. All you did in this post was summarize what had happened previously, without giving new insight to the town. It seems to me that you are clearly around a lot (you don't seem to be inactive) yet I don't see you doing much for the town here.
On February 28 2011 10:37 seRapH wrote:
##Vote: icemac
In case it takes a while to read, was kinda gone the whole weekend kinda
Very convenient for you to come in and vote for icemac (although you just got back so I'll cut you a bit of slack).
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On February 28 2011 10:45 Foolishness wrote:
LunarDestiny has yet to contribute much of anything:
Up until an hour ago neither had you.
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On February 28 2011 10:45 Foolishness wrote:LunarDestiny has yet to contribute much of anything: Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 07:18 LunarDestiny wrote:
Barunder wants to lynch LSB and even is willing to go with sacrificing himself first to prove he is not scum.
LSB says Barunder's analysis on him read too much on few posts and contain many WIFOMs.
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First if Barunder is scum and wants town LSB dead, he won't be satisfy being lynched first. His posts after he 3 essay sized posts did not follow up with the aggressive natural of the essay sized posts. If he is mafia, he needs to get LSB lynched before he is lynched. Because he is willing to be lynched first, that just defeats the original point of his essay sized posts if he is mafia.
LSB did attacked back Barunder. This is pretty standard play and is very like LSB's play. Look back at XXXV when annul accused LSB as scum with shit posts that didn't make much sense, LSB fought back like how he is now. He justified it as putting some pressure back at his accuser and see if he will slip. Barunder did not and again is willing to be lynched first.
To summarize, I don't think Barunder is scum. LSB is playing his standard in terms of his responds (not saying his alignment is town). One additional thing to point out is that they really believe the other is scum. You seem to say Barundar and LSB are not scum (which is the same conclusion I drew) yet you provided zero help to the town about it. All you did in this post was summarize what had happened previously, without giving new insight to the town. It seems to me that you are clearly around a lot (you don't seem to be inactive) yet I don't see you doing much for the town here. Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 10:37 seRapH wrote:
##Vote: icemac
In case it takes a while to read, was kinda gone the whole weekend kinda Very convenient for you to come in and vote for icemac (although you just got back so I'll cut you a bit of slack).
I said in that post that I was very convinced that Barunder is not scum. The reason is if he is mafia, he would not be contented with being lynched first. No one pointed this out.
I also give out one reason why LSB is playing like he usually is (after being pointed at, fought back with pressuring). I also don't remember this being pointed out.
I gave that post after catching up on the last five pages and these reasons are based on those pages.
Yes, I was inactive after annul flipping scum and about 1/4 of day 2. However I did do some catching up.
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On February 28 2011 10:52 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 10:45 Foolishness wrote:
LunarDestiny has yet to contribute much of anything: Up until an hour ago neither had you.
It's the foolishness way. Do nothing for a long time to avoid getting killed by scum and spring and attack when you least expect it
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On February 28 2011 10:37 seRapH wrote:
##Vote: icemac
In case it takes a while to read, was kinda gone the whole weekend kinda
Yeah what a coincidence. Heres what happened I bet.
Seraph pops in mafia irc.
HURRY DUDE LD IS GONNA GET LYNCHED VOTE FOR ICEMAC.
OK GUYS I GOT DA PERFECT EXCUSE. A PLACEHOLDER VOTE
I'd rather kill Jbright but apparently lynch closes soon and LD is a decent target so.
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