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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
I will volunteer to prove I'm town so I can go instead of node if you want. Because I'm sure you're town and I'm town 100% this would mean when we get a name that person should be 100% mafia. If he isn't mafia then lynch me first to prove that I'm town and you're mafia in that case. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 04 2011 17:12 shannn wrote: Oh never mind. Its better to pick 2 most likely town members because then you'll get a mafia name right away but when you lynch that person and he isn't mafia then we get you or node as mafia right? Correct. Darmousseh wouldn't throw himself under the bus like that so the rational response is to lynch Node. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Dmosh-ABC Chaoser: D Node: E. No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote: Why not just do something like this? Dmosh-ABC Chaoser: D Node: E. No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something. Because if one of us is mafia, the thing is corrupt. And we have no idea who's the mafia. His plan is pretty much perfect. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 04 2011 21:21 chaoser wrote: Because if one of us is mafia, the thing is corrupt. And we have no idea who's the mafia. His plan is pretty much perfect. Also, everyone has to send a message I think, you can't just only use 3 people. Let's say I'm mafia, The thing would be corrupt and since I'm suspected, everyone would lynch me. congrats. Let's say Node is mafia, the thing would be corrupt and since I'm suspected, everyone would lynch me and then be confused. Same with Dmosh. As long as mafia hold a piece of the msg that is equal to or greater than the amount of townies holding that same piece, then the msg gets corrupted. Not that any of this matters since everyone has to hold a piece anyway and in yours only three people do. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
So if 1 mafia and 1 town has both the same message. This message would be corrupt. If there is 1 mafia and 2 town with same message this message would not be corrupt. Darmousseh's plan basically guaranteeds a mafia lynch within 3 days at worst (if darmousseh is mafia else it's within 2 days). His plan needs 1 sacrifice as a backup plan. You need 2 most likely town members to have a direct mafia lynch. If someone thinks he's town he should volunteer with darmousseh making it a guarantee that we get 1 mafia lynch AND we know that the 2 volunteers will be town 100%. This results in mafia able to kill them at night but we'll lynch 1 mafia right away making it a 6-1 situation which is the perfect result for town and at worst case scenario a 4-2 situation at night 3 going 4-1 at day 4. Darmousseh's plan is the best one so far and as far as I can see no hole in it's plan. So everyone not voting is already an indication of being mafia or just really stupid townie. Mafia voting for darmousseh's plan means they'll get lynched within a day or 2 so it's a win/win for town. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote: Why not just do something like this? Dmosh-ABC Chaoser: D Node: E. No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something. By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less. There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet] Darmousseh ABC Node D Everyone else E Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it). | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On February 05 2011 01:24 darmousseh wrote: By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less. There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet] Darmousseh ABC Node D Everyone else E Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it). As much as you think that's bulletproof there's still the possibility even though it's unlikely at this point that you're mafia. I'm not saying you are but just pointing out that your plan isn't 100% foolproof for town. You might as well be mafia and then we're lynching 2 townies untill we discover that you're mafia and then we don't have any connection to the other mafia if you were. Seems like mafia's best bet to get as less harmfull of this ridiculous good plan. By stalling enough time for town to discover mafia members as late as possible. My scenario above is highly unlikely but just pointing the possible scenario of your plan for you  | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On February 05 2011 02:26 shannn wrote: As much as you think that's bulletproof there's still the possibility even though it's unlikely at this point that you're mafia. I'm not saying you are but just pointing out that your plan isn't 100% foolproof for town. You might as well be mafia and then we're lynching 2 townies untill we discover that you're mafia and then we don't have any connection to the other mafia if you were. Seems like mafia's best bet to get as less harmfull of this ridiculous good plan. By stalling enough time for town to discover mafia members as late as possible. My scenario above is highly unlikely but just pointing the possible scenario of your plan for you Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On February 05 2011 02:51 darmousseh wrote: Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it. We don't know who the mafia are thus we cannot judge how good they are. CubedIn who was lynched as town should prove you this. Mafia has to come up with this plan before town because simply if they don't they'll lose the game almost 99% for sure. By coming up with this plan then they'll avoid getting both of their mafia members to get lynched and in the process hurt town a lot. It's a matter of trust at this point of the plan. Can people trust someone who could be a potential mafia even though it's highly unlikely? This puzzle is a game of damage control. Both sides will have to make a sacrifice in order to do huge damage to the other side. I will still stand by your plan as no one has come up with any better. I'm pointing out the possible scenario's how the mafia could think. I volunteer myself in combination with you as this would be a good indication for town who could be mafia as I can assume almost everyone would think I'm mafia at this point (except mafia) when you judge on the day 2 clues and everyone thinks you're town. I'm volunteering now because this puzzle can end the game in town's favor very fast if I don't volunteer as sacrificial lamb. Mafia can only resist of having me as a volunteer because then there's the possibility that they'll get revealed in doing so. They used me as a cover which I allowed them to do so in this game because I as Q fit the clues very well but not as the best. By denying this option for mafia and in combination of this puzzle it will reveal 2 mafia players in the best case possible or 1 in the worst case. What I only want now from people is to write down the possible suspects they have of being mafia in combination of day 2 clues and post behavior. I can already tell there's going to be either 3 or 4 people on their lists of suspects. When you have 3 or 4 people (with me 100% guaranteed on the list) then out of the remaining 2 or 3 people there's going to be 2 mafia assuming I'm town. A good reason for me to be a volunteer if darmousseh is town which I'm quite sure of (but not entirely). With this we can get 2 straight mafia lynches if darmousseh is town and if people can trust me of being town and let me volunteer. If I weren't town then I'm going to get lynched after 1 day anyways which is not optimal at all. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
It wouldn't be optimal if I were mafia to volunteer and get lynched after day 1. It would be most optimal if I were last of the line. The more reasoning for town to trust me on my word and if it does happen we lynch green then darmousseh and me are going to be lynched anyways. Which is a sure win for town in this case. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain. Concur | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain. What do u mean with original plan? Darmousseh's plan is the same concept. Take 2 people and lynch the name we get from BC. The scenario's that comes out of it is the same from the plan he posted previous page. The original plan will still get the same results. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On February 05 2011 04:47 shannn wrote: What do u mean with original plan? Darmousseh's plan is the same concept. Take 2 people and lynch the name we get from BC. The scenario's that comes out of it is the same from the plan he posted previous page. The original plan will still get the same results. The will produce identical results. Just keep me and node as the two highest possible townies and go from there. I already voted so lets do it. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On February 05 2011 05:02 darmousseh wrote: The will produce identical results. Just keep me and node as the two highest possible townies and go from there. I already voted so lets do it. Ok I'm fine with that if you want to. I volunteered because having me as sacrificial lamb it would lead town to 1 mafia member and we'd narrow down the possible mafia members. By not having me as a sacrificial lamb. Town will still going to suspect me of being mafia and mafia can just go along with this. I'm just thinking ahead of mafia here. As long as I'm still a big suspect they won't kill me off at night as well to make sure town will suspect me till the end of the game. I've made my move now and people decide what they want. Just going to warn you all that we'd lose the game this way. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
I already figured out how to get the remaining mafia if we use node and darmousseh as volunteers. So simple. Should be easy win for town this game. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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