Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
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Clues: Each day there will be a post pointing to a specific mafia member. This will come in the form of a puzzle or clues.
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Roles
Townie: You have no special powers other than the ability to vote. But you are necessary for a town victory! So help purify the town and be active!
Medic: You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. As 1 KP rules apply, mafia cannot kill the person you choose to protect. However, neither you nor the person you have protected will be notified if you have made a successful save. If you protect a veteran, your ability overrides the veteran's extra life. You are not allowed to protect yourself.
Veteran: You've been around the block a few times and know how to escape an attack on your life. You have an additional night life, which means that you must be hit twice in order to die (these two hits may either be both mafia hits or a mafia and a vigilante hit). You will also know if your extra life has been activated. If you are being protected by a medic, the medic's ability will override yours.
Mafia: Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in the mafia. You may choose to kill nobody if you so choose. You MAY kill other mafia. As a whole, your KP is 1 throughout the whole game, so choose wisely! The mafia also must choose the Godfather from among themselves. If they do not choose by night 1, I will randomly choose for you.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
On January 26 2011 06:26 GMarshal wrote: /in hopefully MiniMafia IV finishes before this starts
Np, the game won't start until MiniMafia is finished.
On January 26 2011 07:04 shannn wrote: Can I say that if this isn't full by thursday (so about 24 hours) then I'll be in? Don't know if this is backup or something.
Will also be my first mafia game ever if I get in :D
Np, I'll reserve you a spot, the game won't start until after Thursday Welcome btw!
Hey, everyone. Go onto the internet and pick a person. This can be a movie character, anime character, purple elephant, whatever you want. The only requirement is that there is a Wikipedia Article on the person, and link him/her to me. If you can't think of someone, I'll just assign a person to you
Hey, everyone. Go onto the internet and pick a person. This can be a movie character, anime character, purple elephant, whatever you want. The only requirement is that there is a Wikipedia Article on the person, and link him/her to me.
This seems short and interesting. If this is a clue focused game then maybe I'll /in. Mini games are neat.
I'll /in for now actually. If you can elaborate a bit more on how this game will work (you can PM me if you prefer) then I'll make a decision but the "picking a person" sounds awesome if it is what I think it is.
Anyway, I'll choose Thom Yorke (lead singer, guitarist, and songwriter from the band Radiohead)
Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
There are PMs, and I would encourage working together. There are NO DTs, so cut the plans.
The overall goal of the game is to try to find the next clue specialists. Btw, if you really want to be town, please PM me, no guarantees but I'll try my best
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
On January 26 2011 08:13 LunarDestiny wrote: Hey, everyone. Go onto the internet and pick a person. This can be a movie character, anime character, purple elephant, whatever you want. The only requirement is that there is a Wikipedia Article on the person, and link him/her to me.
On January 26 2011 15:11 shannn wrote: My character: Q. Sounds so fun :D
OMG, that is the best character......which Q though?
The one of TNG :D so much info about Q which would sound like I would be mafia hahaha :D I find it interesting if I were town but my character profile would make it sound like it were mafia :D
Please note, the setting of this story, Britain in the 18th century, does not have anything to do with the mafia. Also because I didn’t want to research stuff that wasn’t going to be relevant, I’ll be using modern terminology
“Kav, take a look at the paper.” I took the paper from LSB’s hands, and right there on the front page “Naval Intervention Breaks Pirate Standoff.”
“What do you see?” Inspector LSB questioned. LSB is a genius, his methods of solving crimes are legendary and I document his adventures. He asks me this questions, to try to get me to see what he sees.
I glanced down at the articles. The pirates had captured the fort and held control, it was a 12 hour hostage situation with the governor trapped inside. Negotiations failed, and the Navy had to be called in. Under the cover of the cannons, the redcoats stormed in and ended the situation. Sadly the governor did not make it out alive.
I replied “The pirates are getting bolder and bolder. Good thing the Crown protects us”.
“But why? Why did the pirates take over the fort?”
I thought for a moment, “Money? Certainly a governor is worth a large ransom of pounds”
LSB replied, “My dear Kav, that indeed is the question. ”
Minutes later LSB received a phone call. He turned to me and spoke, “Come with me, the commissioner has another hostage situation.”
Apparently, it was the British East Indian company this time. Their shareholder board was conducted a meeting, and an unknown group broke through. Currently the whereabouts of the shareholder board and the group is unknown. The police are operating under the suspicion that these are pirates, possibly connected to the pirates that captured the fort.
As we arrived on the scene, I immediately headed to the meeting room. LSB stopped me and asked me “What are you doing?”. “I’m going to see if I can find anything about the pirates, maybe they left things behind.”
LSB thought for a moment, and said, “Fair enough, tell me if you find something.” And split.
I paced around the room and took notes on everything I saw. There was relatively little bloodshed. Random splotches of bloods. An unorganized attack. Curiously enough, I would expect the body of the guards to be located around here, but they were strangely absent. Besides the blood, the only thing that gave any indication of what happened were the minutes, still resting on the table with the feather pen beside it, notes unfinished.
Something was wrong, the feather pen did not seem like it was in the right position. As I looked down, I realized that the last line was crossed out, and obscured by red ink.
The Inspector walked behind me. “I see you’ve noticed it,” he said. “The same thing happened at the Governor’s fort.”
I asked, “The crossed out message?”
"Not just that." The Inspector replied, “It wasn't revealed to the newspapers, but we never saw our negotiators. The demands of the pirates were written in blood and attached to arrows.”
Horrified I looked down on the minutes… the red ink… it was blood.
He paused for a moment. “When we finally broke through, I could not find them. They were missing…”
I asked a question. “Wait, missing?”
The Inspector answered, “We never found bodies, just blood. They negotiators could be still alive, but that’s impossible, there is no way they could have just disappeared, the bodies must have been hidden.”
And I asked one last question, “So, did you interview any survivors?”
The Inspector replied, “No, the pirates killed everyone. And the pirates themselves? They would rather kill themselves than be captured”
At that moment LSB came back and muttered, “Empty, it’s empty.”
And at that moment, the wall collapsed onto LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel.
LSB the Inspector is dead
Who do we send to the tower of London first? Please submit your votes before January 31, 11KST
As a reminder. Please add "##" to all your votes. PMs are allowed. Don't try to look for a DT, there isn't one. Use your PMs to discuss the clues and stuff.
And puzzles can come in a variety of ways. Anagrams? Or Math and Logic? They can also be situational. But I think once the type of puzzle is discerned we can probably apply that to all the day and night posts.
On January 29 2011 12:52 Jackal58 wrote: And puzzles can come in a variety of ways. Anagrams? Or Math and Logic? They can also be situational. But I think once the type of puzzle is discerned we can probably apply that to all the day and night posts.
I disagree, I think that thinking in patterns like that is going to weaken our analytical ability, we should try to keep an open mind about each set of clues, that way it will be harder to miss anything.
A hungry panda would never leave anything to rot. There's a lot of characters that have a lot to do with blood, except Q, who probably would never do such a thing
Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
Guys, this is like the Sherlock Holmes thing. LSB, who died, is Sherlock and Kav is Watson. Even without going into the place to see the blood ink and whatnot, LSB was able to figure it out, only leaving the cryptic message
At that moment LSB came back and muttered, “Empty, it’s empty.”
The thunder god of the Mortal Kombat universe, also known as Lord Raiden, is a protector of Earthrealm. Raiden commands many supernatural abilities such as the ability to teleport, control over lightning, and flight.
“Kav, take a look at the paper.” I took the paper from LSB’s hands, and right there on the front page “Naval Intervention Ends Pirates Standoff.”
“What do you see?” Inspector LSB questioned. LSB is a genius, his methods of solving crimes are legendary and I document his adventures. He asks me this questions, to try to get me to see what he sees.
“But why? Why did the pirates take over the fort?”
This part along with the empty part is the message from the day. I'll look at it after I finish this Catan game I'm in.
Ah, back from doing the necessary moderating for my game. I'll give . I think I've got a pretty decent insider perspective on what LSB goes for, so I'll give it a shot.
Remember not to throw out normal analysis either. Though it's been made obvious that we can catch the mafia with the day posts alone, there's absolutely nothing stopping us from capturing scum the old-fashioned way.
On January 29 2011 13:36 chaoser wrote: Wait, I'm an idiot, sorry, was too focused on Catan game, I read it wrong, Inspector is LSB...my bad, I'll have to reread
Btw, I'm suppose to be Holmes, just didn't know what title to give myself.
Just a random thought as I read through the different Wikipedia articles, Kenpachi Zaraki is a ship captain (Naval operations?), also IIRC the whole of Bleach had something to do with pirates (I haven't read the manga or seen the anime so if I am mistaken about that then forgive me)
On January 29 2011 13:43 GMarshal wrote: Just a random thought as I read through the different Wikipedia articles, Kenpachi Zaraki is a ship captain (Naval operations?), also IIRC the whole of Bleach had something to do with pirates (I haven't read the manga or seen the anime so if I am mistaken about that then forgive me)
I don't think Bleach has to do with pirates. Thinking of One Piece? I'm not too entirely knowledgeable on anime haha. Will see what I can come up with from clues.
On January 29 2011 13:43 GMarshal wrote: Just a random thought as I read through the different Wikipedia articles, Kenpachi Zaraki is a ship captain (Naval operations?), also IIRC the whole of Bleach had something to do with pirates (I haven't read the manga or seen the anime so if I am mistaken about that then forgive me)
nope. Im a Shinigami that likes to massacre people for the heck of it.
On January 29 2011 13:43 GMarshal wrote: Just a random thought as I read through the different Wikipedia articles, Kenpachi Zaraki is a ship captain (Naval operations?), also IIRC the whole of Bleach had something to do with pirates (I haven't read the manga or seen the anime so if I am mistaken about that then forgive me)
I don't think Bleach has to do with pirates. Thinking of One Piece? I'm not too entirely knowledgeable on anime haha. Will see what I can come up with from clues.
Thats probably, it my bad then about Bleach having anything to do with pirates. When I read Kenpachi was a captian I assumed it had something to do with ships as in my mind the two are linked (this is what happens when sleep deprivation combines with trying to read 10 wikipedia articles and putting the articles together with the day post)
EBWOP: I just realized that the acronym of "Naval Intervention Ends Pirates Standoff" is an anagram of penis (sorry I was looking to see if there was any relevance to it all being capitalized)
On January 29 2011 13:55 GMarshal wrote: EBWOP: I just realized that the acronym of "Naval Intervention Ends Pirates Standoff" is an anagram of penis (sorry I was looking to see if there was any relevance to it all being capitalized)
On January 29 2011 13:55 GMarshal wrote: EBWOP: I just realized that the acronym of "Naval Intervention Ends Pirates Standoff" is an anagram of penis (sorry I was looking to see if there was any relevance to it all being capitalized)
From wiki: Carlos the Jackal (born Ilich Ramírez Sánchez on October 12, 1949(1949-10-12)) is a Venezuelan terrorist convicted of murder in France who has worked with and for causes associated with communists, Arab nationalists and Islamists.
The two targets of the pirate attacks were the governor, and the shareholder board of the East India Trading Company.
On completing guerrilla training Carlos played an active role for the PFLP in the north of Jordan during the Black September conflict of 1970, gaining a good reputation as a fighter.
In 1973 Carlos was associated with the PFLP, which had conducted a failed assassination attempt on Jewish businessman and vice president of the British Zionist Federation, Joseph Sieff.
From Beirut, Carlos participated in the planning for the attack on the headquarters of OPEC in Vienna. On December 21, 1975, he led the six-person team (which included Gabriele Kröcher-Tiedemann) that assaulted the meeting of OPEC leaders and took over sixty hostages, killing an Austrian policeman, an Iraqi OPEC employee and a member of the Libyan delegation.
This fits in with the Jackal. He has perpetrated many attacks, and the targets would fit in with who a stereotypical "communist" would target. They are someone in power, and then a collective board for a business. The Jackal made attempts on the lives of people in high positions, as well as leading the attack on OPEC (The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries). They are a parallel to the East India Company.
Currently the whereabouts of the shareholder board and the group is unknown.
The Jackal, in his attack on OPEC, took many people hostage. This could be why the shareholder board is missing, they are hostages of the pirates. In the attack on OPEC, several people were killed as well, similar to the pirate attack. (This does not explain missing bodies though).
In the years following the OPEC raid, Bassam Abu Sharif and Klein claimed that Carlos had received a large sum of money in exchange for the safe release of the Arab hostages and had kept it for his personal use. There is still some uncertainty regarding the amount that changed hands but it is believed to be between US$20 million and US$50 million. The source of the money is also uncertain, but, according to Klein, it was from "an Arab president".
The Jackal personally received a large sum of money as a result of the kidnapping. This echoes what is said in the day post, talking about ransom, and could also be why there is something empty, their vaults perhaps.
And at that moment, the wall collapsed onto LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel.
Carlos also admits responsibility for a failed bomb attack on the Bank Hapoalim in London, and car bomb attacks on three French newspapers, which were accused of pro-Israeli leanings. He claimed to be the grenade thrower at a Parisian restaurant in an attack that killed 2 and injured 30. He later participated in two failed rocket propelled grenade attacks on El Al airplanes at Orly Airport near Paris, on January 13 and 17, 1975.
The Jackal also attempted several attacks involving explosives. This could be what causes the wall to collapse on Sherlock Holmes LSB.
The Jackal was trained in guerrilla warfare from a young age, which could be why the pirates of the story seem to be so elusive, unknown, and hard to capture.
What do you guys think? Any other ideas? Anything wrong with this? Let's get more clue/puzzle solving going on. :p
A couple of "hostage situations" are mentioned in the post. These could refer to Carlos the Jackal, a terrorist known for causing a couple of hostage situations, most prominently the OPEC raid of 1975. The British East Indian company could be linked as an OPEC analogue, as the second attack was on a "shareholder board". The lack of bodies could also be linked to the way hostages were flown on planes.
The lack of corpses could be linked to Yossarian of Catch-22. In Catch-22, one of Yossarian's close friends (Orr) is shot down while on a mission. His body is never found. Later, it is revealed that Orr never died, but rowed all the way to neutral Swedish waters. I think more story would need to be revealed if this were to be the key to the clue.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts.
I was thinking exactly that. Jonathan Swift was always looking to make it big in society. He tried unsuccessfully to political position so maybe that's why the pirates took governor hostage. It wasn't money they were looking for, which Holmes alluded to, it was power.
Also, the pen and crossing out might be referring to the fact that he revised Gulliver's travels many times. In Gulliver's travels, he, for a while, worked with pirates to travel to different lands.
All of this though, is only loosely tied to what's written. I still don't know why the pen "being positioned wrong" and the "it's empty" means. What is empty? The place? Is the fact that it's devoid of life the clue?
Ok my first post for Mafia and be critical on what I have to say.
On January 29 2011 12:39 LSB wrote: I glanced down at the articles. The pirates had captured the fort and held control, it was a 12 hour hostage situation with the governor trapped inside. Negotiations failed, and the Navy had to be called in. Under the cover of the cannons, the redcoats stormed in and ended the situation. Sadly the governor did not make it out alive.
I replied “The pirates are getting bolder and bolder. Good thing the Crown protects us”.
“But why? Why did the pirates take over the fort?”
I thought for a moment, “Money? Certainly a governor is worth a large ransom of pounds”
LSB replied, “My dear Kav, that indeed is the question. ”
Minutes later LSB received a phone call. He turned to me and spoke, “Come with me, the commissioner has another hostage situation.”
Apparently, it was the British East Indian company this time. Their shareholder board was conducted a meeting, and an unknown group broke through. Currently the whereabouts of the shareholder board and the group is unknown. The police are operating under the suspicion that these are pirates, possibly connected to the pirates that captured the fort.
As we arrived on the scene, I immediately headed to the meeting room. LSB stopped me and asked me “What are you doing?”. “I’m going to see if I can find anything about the pirates, maybe they left things behind.”
LSB thought for a moment, and said, “Fair enough, tell me if you find something.” And split.
I paced around the room and took notes on everything I saw. There was relatively little bloodshed. Random splotches of bloods. An unorganized attack. Curiously enough, I would expect the body of the guards to be located around here, but they were strangely absent. Besides the blood, the only thing that gave any indication of what happened were the minutes, still resting on the table with the feather pen beside it, notes unfinished.
Something was wrong, the feather pen did not seem like it was in the right position. As I looked down, I realized that the last line was crossed out, and obscured by red ink.
The Inspector walked behind me. “I see you’ve noticed it,” he said. “The same thing happened at the Governor’s fort.”
I asked, “The crossed out message?”
The Inspector replied, “Not just that. You’ve probably read the papers, but you probably don’t know thing. We never saw our negotiators. The demands of the pirates were attached to arrows and shot. The notes? Written in blood.”
Horrified I looked down on the minutes… the red ink… it was blood.
He paused for a moment. “When we finally broke through, I could not find them. They were missing…”
I asked a question. “Wait, missing?”
The Inspector answered, “We never found bodies, just blood. They negotiators could be still alive, but that’s impossible, there is no way they could have just disappeared, the bodies must have been hidden.”
And I asked one last question, “So, did you interview any survivors?”
The Inspector replied, “No, the pirates killed everyone. And the pirates themselves? They would rather kill themselves than be captured”
At that moment LSB came back and muttered, “Empty, it’s empty.”
And at that moment, the wall collapsed onto LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel.
I bolded everything that came raised a question to me.
The pirates are the people we are looking for (mafia).
Negiotiations failed => indication of not listening to authority or to anyone who opposes them.
Navy had to be called in. Under the cover of the cannons => When you read the article you can tell it is in a fort that was at some point invaded by pirates and a governor was taken hostage.
What's a Crown? I googled it and came at wiki about union of the crowns. Something about Scotland and England. Might be a good indication about the people's origins.
Furthermore How do the Navy operate? I would think it's over the waters on their ships but I might be mistaken. Why call the Navy specifically for the pirates? Is the fort on an island easily reachable by ships or what?
the British East Indian company => An indication that this might be relative to the pirates objective. We don't know if the pirates raided their place. Might also be an indication that this was the work of someone else individually? Or do all Mafia work together with no traitor or something to catch us off guard?
Random splotches of bloods => Nothing is random. It must mean something but we don't have any info on this. Need to know about this.
Besides the blood, the only thing that gave any indication of what happened were the minutes, still resting on the table with the feather pen beside it, notes unfinished. => The minutes? Not sure what this means? The time that has passed? How can this be an indication? How long ago did this raid happen?
Something was wrong, the feather pen did not seem like it was in the right position. As I looked down, I realized that the last line was crossed out, and obscured by red ink. => feather pen. I googled history of pens and there were already normal pensils. So why was it a feather pen? Little indication about the BEI. Last line obscured by red ink which was blood. What did it say?
The same thing happened at the Governor’s fort. => No negotiations there with the governor dead. So far there are no bodies and we haven't seen anyone from that raid yet. If there's a body means their objective is to get to know something which those people might be able to know but what? If there won't be any body means that the someone of the persons kidnapped is important or atleast has valuable information/object what the pirates want.
We never saw our negotiators. => What purpose does this have for the pirates? Afaik pirates like to be famous no? So their leader must have something bigger in plan. Why not take credit for what you do as a pirate? You want to get notorious as a pirate.
The notes? Written in blood. => What's the message? Indication of dead bodies but not certain. Can't tell anything about this or it raises my interest but I don't know why.
We never found bodies, just blood. They negotiators could be still alive, but that’s impossible, there is no way they could have just disappeared, the bodies must have been hidden. => What does a dead person do for a pirate if they aren't showing it? Indication that they've kidnapped them to extract valuable information. Meaning that the mafia will strike another place with similar methods.
No, the pirates killed everyone. And the pirates themselves? They would rather kill themselves than be captured. => what? First they say that there are no bodies then the inspector says the pirates killed everyone.
Empty, it’s empty. => what is? There are no recordings so it must be something that could point the fingers to certain people. What does BEI have that can do this?
LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel => This I don't understand. Why say gravel and not dust. What does gravel mean? Some relationship with a criminal?
Those are questions I asked myself. I don't even know who who is yet. But from this you can already get a low profile of our suspects.
Important one is that they're supposedly pirates who don't want to get known for what they've been doing. Meaning they don't take credit for their actions. They don't negotiate. Only demand. Seems they execute their raids swiftly. If the police doesn't even know where they are and how they do it.
We should first analyse the story more in next 10-12 hours and then the other 10-12 hours for personality analysis of our characters to compare the actions in the story with what our characters would do. Then voting I guess?
I don't have enough time to edit it into the post, but
"Not just that." The Inspector replied, “It wasn't revealed to the newspapers, but we never saw our negotiators. The demands of the pirates were written in blood and attached to arrows.”
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are: - loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall - uses his sword and that's about it - is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch - has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general. Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?
Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer.
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote: While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?
Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but
Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.
If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.
Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote: While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?
Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but
Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.
If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.
Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.
I just noticed that on some versions they block out the blood and on other versions its a bloody mess. Difference between the manga and the english anime i guess.
There are so few characters to analyze, and the only contribution I can offer so far is this.
Carlos advocates radical Islamism in his book Revolutionary Islam, which expresses support for the terrorist attacks of Osama bin Laden as well as Saddam Hussein for resisting the United States.
Radical islamism typically includes suicide bombing. This points to the part
The Inspector replied, “No, the pirates killed everyone. And the pirates themselves? They would rather kill themselves than be captured”
The pirates are irrational. Most pirates would rather be capture and have a chance to escape. The fact that they'd rather die indicates they are probably radical in some way.
Another thing to note is that terrorism and being a pirate are very close to the same thing and in fact an 18th century british police force might see this as an act of piracy instead of terrorism. If you switch the word pirate to terrorist while reading the story I think it becomes even more pointed towards carlos the jackal.
Yep. I see points of the story in my wiki link. But I also can see points of the story in everybody's wiki link. Except Pandains. Haven't been able to make any connections to pandas.
A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote: While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?
Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but
Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.
If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.
Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.
This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything.
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote: While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?
Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but
Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.
If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.
Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.
This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything.
But on the other hand. LSB could've just read the wiki's. There's a reason why there are links of everyone as that is enough to come up with clues about the suspects and Gaara isn't the biggest suspect in my view (biggest is Carlos due to all his characteristics of a terrorist). So far I can only think between Gaara or Carlos whereas leaning more towards Carlos. Neither of them have all clues matching with their characters which makes it hard (whether it's LSB's attention or not) to figure out precisely how LSB thinks and what he means with some clues.
I read the link of Gulliver's travels but I have not really seen any indication or similarity in the wiki about the clues that have been given. I didn't read anything about murdering people or bodies disappearing. The only link you could think of is about the 18th century and that it's from the same time as Jonathan Swift. But the place and time shouldn't really be relevant about the suspect as LSB mentioned in his post. So for me Jonathan Swift isn't a suspect for today.
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote: While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?
Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but
Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.
If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.
Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.
This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything.
But on the other hand. LSB could've just read the wiki's. There's a reason why there are links of everyone as that is enough to come up with clues about the suspects and Gaara isn't the biggest suspect in my view (biggest is Carlos due to all his characteristics of a terrorist). So far I can only think between Gaara or Carlos whereas leaning more towards Carlos. Neither of them have all clues matching with their characters which makes it hard (whether it's LSB's attention or not) to figure out precisely how LSB thinks and what he means with some clues.
I read the link of Gulliver's travels but I have not really seen any indication or similarity in the wiki about the clues that have been given. I didn't read anything about murdering people or bodies disappearing. The only link you could think of is about the 18th century and that it's from the same time as Jonathan Swift. But the place and time shouldn't really be relevant about the suspect as LSB mentioned in his post. So for me Jonathan Swift isn't a suspect for today.
To be fair to LSB and Gmarshall his wiki page is Jonathan Swift not Gulliver's Travels. Gulliver would open a whole new can of worms but Swift not necessarily so. I don't know how far afield from each persons page LSB may have drawn clues from but I don't see much on Swift.
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote: While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?
Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but
Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.
If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.
Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.
This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything.
But on the other hand. LSB could've just read the wiki's. There's a reason why there are links of everyone as that is enough to come up with clues about the suspects and Gaara isn't the biggest suspect in my view (biggest is Carlos due to all his characteristics of a terrorist). So far I can only think between Gaara or Carlos whereas leaning more towards Carlos. Neither of them have all clues matching with their characters which makes it hard (whether it's LSB's attention or not) to figure out precisely how LSB thinks and what he means with some clues.
I read the link of Gulliver's travels but I have not really seen any indication or similarity in the wiki about the clues that have been given. I didn't read anything about murdering people or bodies disappearing. The only link you could think of is about the 18th century and that it's from the same time as Jonathan Swift. But the place and time shouldn't really be relevant about the suspect as LSB mentioned in his post. So for me Jonathan Swift isn't a suspect for today.
To be fair to LSB and Gmarshall his wiki page is Jonathan Swift not Gulliver's Travels. Gulliver would open a whole new can of worms but Swift not necessarily so. I don't know how far afield from each persons page LSB may have drawn clues from but I don't see much on Swift.
I would guess that if there was a major story that the author is known for or event that a character was a part of that it could relate to the character. I was actually looking through the different works your character wrote, but didn't come up with anything significant other than the radical islam part.
On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.
Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet?
Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly.
On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.
Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet?
Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly.
I asked my wife and she said that they will occasionally attack humans but it is a very rare occurence. Even though their diet is mostly bamboo they will eat meat.
However, pandas probably wouldn't eat the whole body and would leave a very mangled body left over.
On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.
Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet?
Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly.
Yes I know they don't eat humans. But if I were a mod and writing a clue for a panda bear I'd probably just go the "frenzied animal maiming" route. Referring to bamboo is too obvious.
I said that because earlier someone implied the clues made you exempt. Let me make it clear I'm not accusing you of being the attacker. I'm merely stating it isn't an impossibility and it would be close minded to clear you.
On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.
Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet?
Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly.
I asked my wife and she said that they will occasionally attack humans but it is a very rare occurence. Even though their diet is mostly bamboo they will eat meat.
However, pandas probably wouldn't eat the whole body and would leave a very mangled body left over.
the second point is irrelevant as clues in mafia games will not function based perfectly on logical reality. that isn't the kind of thing i want to see as a defense.
one thing i hate about clue games is there is no possible way to defend yourself from them aside from the chainsaw defense which is inherently scummy.
Okay let's get this started. First off I like Wiggles clue analysis, I think it really is the best option that we have as far as pinning people from clues go. The link to gaara is pretty vaugue, and while possible, there are more connections to Jackal than Gaara.
Furthormore, on an analysis view point, Jackal sticks out to me very heavily. While he's been posting alot, he hasn't contributed anything besides a very weak clue analysis that really I don't even see how that fits to the missing bodies. Obviously there is a slight connection(flight +teleportion), but its very weak.
Furthormore, he's often just brought up stuff, but not sure at all. I'm not sure how to phrase this, but its like he's just offering it up and then not actually "saying anything." I hope you know what I mean.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
This isn't a "your sure mafia", rather a FoS. Jackal, you said you found clues to everyone's profile, mind sharing that?
On January 30 2011 08:24 Pandain wrote: Okay let's get this started. First off I like Wiggles clue analysis, I think it really is the best option that we have as far as pinning people from clues go. The link to gaara is pretty vaugue, and while possible, there are more connections to Jackal than Gaara.
Furthormore, on an analysis view point, Jackal sticks out to me very heavily. While he's been posting alot, he hasn't contributed anything besides a very weak clue analysis that really I don't even see how that fits to the missing bodies. Obviously there is a slight connection(flight +teleportion), but its very weak.
Furthormore, he's often just brought up stuff, but not sure at all. I'm not sure how to phrase this, but its like he's just offering it up and then not actually "saying anything." I hope you know what I mean.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
This isn't a "your sure mafia", rather a FoS. Jackal, you said you found clues to everyone's profile, mind sharing that?
Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it.
1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything 2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel 3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies 4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period 5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post 6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much 7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists 8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British 9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples 10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood 11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much.
Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected?
On January 30 2011 04:34 chaoser wrote: ##Vote Node
Let's hear some of your own opinions instead of being so unsure about everything you're saying.
I don't follow what you're accusing me of. Analyzing clues isn't a one-way thing -- it's a discussion. I put forth what I saw, and asked if anyone had something to add to it.
If it makes you feel better, I'll stop asking questions in my analysis.
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
On January 30 2011 08:24 Pandain wrote: Okay let's get this started. First off I like Wiggles clue analysis, I think it really is the best option that we have as far as pinning people from clues go. The link to gaara is pretty vaugue, and while possible, there are more connections to Jackal than Gaara.
Furthormore, on an analysis view point, Jackal sticks out to me very heavily. While he's been posting alot, he hasn't contributed anything besides a very weak clue analysis that really I don't even see how that fits to the missing bodies. Obviously there is a slight connection(flight +teleportion), but its very weak.
Furthormore, he's often just brought up stuff, but not sure at all. I'm not sure how to phrase this, but its like he's just offering it up and then not actually "saying anything." I hope you know what I mean.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
This isn't a "your sure mafia", rather a FoS. Jackal, you said you found clues to everyone's profile, mind sharing that?
Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it.
1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything 2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel 3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies 4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period 5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post 6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much 7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists 8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British 9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples 10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood 11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much.
Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected?
So that makes me suspect number 1. Because my character can do all of the things mentioned. That would make me suspect number 1 on every day post every time someone picks Q or an omnipotent being as their character. If only you get the powers of your character you're playing ^^ Would've ended this entire mafia game in 1 second.
Anyways, one another thing. I don't know why chaoser already is voting against Node which has no connection to the day 1 post yet. He could be mafia but he isn't described in the clues in any way. Dinosaurs lol. Voting for Node is just a blind pick and hoping he is mafia. It kind of makes it seem that you're trying to divert the attention away from one of the main suspects (Carlos most likely).
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
On January 30 2011 08:24 Pandain wrote: Okay let's get this started. First off I like Wiggles clue analysis, I think it really is the best option that we have as far as pinning people from clues go. The link to gaara is pretty vaugue, and while possible, there are more connections to Jackal than Gaara.
Furthormore, on an analysis view point, Jackal sticks out to me very heavily. While he's been posting alot, he hasn't contributed anything besides a very weak clue analysis that really I don't even see how that fits to the missing bodies. Obviously there is a slight connection(flight +teleportion), but its very weak.
Furthormore, he's often just brought up stuff, but not sure at all. I'm not sure how to phrase this, but its like he's just offering it up and then not actually "saying anything." I hope you know what I mean.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
This isn't a "your sure mafia", rather a FoS. Jackal, you said you found clues to everyone's profile, mind sharing that?
Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it.
1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything 2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel 3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies 4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period 5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post 6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much 7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists 8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British 9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples 10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood 11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much.
Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected?
So that makes me suspect number 1. Because my character can do all of the things mentioned. That would make me suspect number 1 on every day post every time someone picks Q or an omnipotent being as their character. If only you get the powers of your character you're playing ^^ Would've ended this entire mafia game in 1 second.
Anyways, one another thing. I don't know why chaoser already is voting against Node which has no connection to the day 1 post yet. He could be mafia but he isn't described in the clues in any way. Dinosaurs lol. Voting for Node is just a blind pick and hoping he is mafia. It kind of makes it seem that you're trying to divert the attention away from one of the main suspects (Carlos most likely).
because posting behavior >>>>>>>>>>>>> clues and chaoser is smart enough to know that
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
Two things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
EBWOQ (edit by way of quote). Explanation of "chainsaw defense" should not be included in criticisms because I was just answering a question.
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.
I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.
I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.
i don't understand your response
so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it
On January 30 2011 08:24 Pandain wrote: Okay let's get this started. First off I like Wiggles clue analysis, I think it really is the best option that we have as far as pinning people from clues go. The link to gaara is pretty vaugue, and while possible, there are more connections to Jackal than Gaara.
Furthormore, on an analysis view point, Jackal sticks out to me very heavily. While he's been posting alot, he hasn't contributed anything besides a very weak clue analysis that really I don't even see how that fits to the missing bodies. Obviously there is a slight connection(flight +teleportion), but its very weak.
Furthormore, he's often just brought up stuff, but not sure at all. I'm not sure how to phrase this, but its like he's just offering it up and then not actually "saying anything." I hope you know what I mean.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
This isn't a "your sure mafia", rather a FoS. Jackal, you said you found clues to everyone's profile, mind sharing that?
Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it.
1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything 2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel 3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies 4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period 5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post 6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much 7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists 8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British 9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples 10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood 11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much.
Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected?
Not a ton of evidence to go on, but no one has really found anything more convincing than jackal58. If anyone find anything more convincing in the next 3-4 hours I might switch my vote.
##Vote: Jackal58
Also remember also the first post mentioned that the setting is 18th century britain so it is unlikely that we should use references to britain or english people as evidence of guilt.
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.
I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.
i don't understand your response
so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it
Goddamit I HAVE MADE NO CONNECTION TO SWIFT!!!!!! Stop putting words in my mouth.
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.
I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.
i don't understand your response
so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it
Goddamit I HAVE MADE NO CONNECTION TO SWIFT!!!!!! Stop putting words in my mouth.
no
4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period
I was just saying there was something else possible besides Gulliver's Travels reference and that A Modest Proposal may be more likely to be referenced. That's all. I'm not insinuating you accused GMarshall. I'm just expanding on what you said.
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.
I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.
i don't understand your response
so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it
Goddamit I HAVE MADE NO CONNECTION TO SWIFT!!!!!! Stop putting words in my mouth.
4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period
I was just saying there was something else possible besides Gulliver's Travels reference and that A Modest Proposal may be more likely to be referenced. That's all. I'm not insinuating you accused GMarshall. I'm just expanding on what you said.
On January 31 2011 10:56 LSB wrote: I won't actually do modkills this game, since I realize that if Mafia is inactive, the clues can just pown them But I am looking for replacements
On January 31 2011 10:56 LSB wrote: I won't actually do modkills this game, since I realize that if Mafia is inactive, the clues can just pown them But I am looking for replacements
On January 31 2011 10:56 LSB wrote: I won't actually do modkills this game, since I realize that if Mafia is inactive, the clues can just pown them But I am looking for replacements
LSB picked himself of the floor. “Carlos the Jackal could never put together good bombs”
LSB picked himself of the floor. “Carlos the Jackal could never put together good bombs”
I stared at LSB in shock. “How did you know it was Jackal58?”
“Remember what I asked you? Why would the Pirates take over the fort?” LSB asked. “It was to free their buddy, Carlos who was busy spending time in prison.”
I countered, “Then why were there no bodies?”
LSB answered, “well, the pirates killed everyone as they entered. But they couldn’t negotiate unless they tricked the negotiators to thinking that the governor was still alive, so they dumped all the bodies down the well.”
“But how,” I asked, “How do you know they demanded the release of Carlos?”
LSB answered, “Well, the pirates were fanatics, the Inspector told me that they refused to be captured alive. This meant that they had some connection to the El-Kida organization.”
“When I arrived here, it was pretty clear from the lack of struggle, the people in this room were taken hostage and forced away. Now this is reminiscent of how Carlos dealt with the OPEC incident. However, the most important thing about Carlos that you can’t forget is that he wants money. Lots of it. That’s what separates him from all other fanatics.
“That’s why I checked the treasury. Normal fanatics wouldn’t stop to rob the place, but this one did. This one had to be Carlos”
Jackel58 the Mafia is dead Conversation with Jackel58 + Show Spoiler +
Original Message From Jackal58: Well it's not like I'm going to say it.
Original Message From LSB: All it takes is one word and you are dead. OPEC
Original Message From Jackal58: They ain't that smart man
Original Message From LSB: It is so so so connected, and once people figure out the connection, you're dead. I'm worried.
Original Message From Jackal58: I just figured out the connection. Dude you're brutal in your vagaries. :p
Original Message From LSB: You are Mafia Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in the mafia. You may choose to kill nobody if you so choose. You MAY kill other mafia. As a whole, your KP is 1 throughout the whole game, so choose wisely!
Your Team is. Kavdragon LunarDestiny Jackal58
Jackal58 is the one being mentioned in the day 1 post. My apologies if it is to obvious.
Good luck
Oops
Congratulations to Mr. Wiggles and SouthRawrea for figuring out the story.
Damnit, I thought voting ended at 11 EST, not KST, apologies for missing the vote. As you may already know I was out most of yesterday and today due to technical problems, I'll be much more active starting tonight.
Anyway we got mafia, Woot!
For tonight I think we should discuss medic protection, who needs to be protected?
So, seeing as we know that Jackal is red, here's some analysis of what he's done and what that implicates.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
Light defense of Pandain here.
On January 29 2011 13:25 Jackal58 wrote: From Wiki:
The thunder god of the Mortal Kombat universe, also known as Lord Raiden, is a protector of Earthrealm. Raiden commands many supernatural abilities such as the ability to teleport, control over lightning, and flight.
A reference to the missing bodies?
Puts some suspicion on Raiden / CubEdIn. As far as I can tell he's the only one to mention this character.
On January 30 2011 05:03 Jackal58 wrote: Yep. I see points of the story in my wiki link. But I also can see points of the story in everybody's wiki link. Except Pandains. Haven't been able to make any connections to pandas.
Again, light defense of Pandain. But it's not like he lied here, we know that the post didn't apply to pandas at all.
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.
I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.
i don't understand your response
so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it
Goddamit I HAVE MADE NO CONNECTION TO SWIFT!!!!!! Stop putting words in my mouth.
He pretty vehemently denies having put suspicion on Swift / GMarshall.
In the end, he didn't really lead us anywhere, as pretty much anybody can analyze clues. But I'm a bit more suspicious of GMarshall now, as Jackal seemed incredibly determined to make sure that there was no link present between them. I'll also keep an eye out for clues related to Pandain, but there's definitely nothing concrete here.
from the pm's pandain sent me it looks like his goal was to find another vote opportunity
if he's mafia, it's smart that he'd check with me. if i come out and try to get the vote change it gives that initiative more credibility and could take suspicion off pandain if jackal flips later.
wait for tomorrows clues, but pandain is the most suspicious character right now.
People who seem pro town/should be protected: Dr. H-third person to vote for jackal(so not too early, but not too late so that he was just joining on the ineevitable). Furthormore warded me away from trying to help jackal, when mafia would've encouraged that. Mr wiggles-got him lynched. Pretty obvious.
People to watch: Chaoser-random vote on node, didn't change that. Then says "nice lynch". Hasn't really contributed at all.
Cubed in-inactive, people have to pressure him to post more.
I should've read posts better. I missed the posts saying that the mafia lsb mentioned were not in the game lol.
So what is happening now guys? Mafia can kill 1 and town just waits till day >.>?
How do we people know there's a medic in the first place? I know it's mentioned in the roles but isn't stated anywhere that there is a medic in the first place. But on the other hand it could also very well mean there are 2 medics or w/e. This goes for veteran as well.
But if there is a medic among us then the following people should be protected: - Mr. Wiggles: I think Mr. Wiggles should be first because he was spot on with Jackal with his first analysis and he is very usefull for Town. - DrH: He's been being very objective and not discounting anything. Furthermore anything what Jackal said was mostly contradicted by DrH like how to analyse etc. So this gives me an even more impressions that he's surely pro-town.
But in any case I have another thing while I was reading the past pages of this thread.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts.
I was thinking exactly that. Jonathan Swift was always looking to make it big in society. He tried unsuccessfully to political position so maybe that's why the pirates took governor hostage. It wasn't money they were looking for, which Holmes alluded to, it was power.
Also, the pen and crossing out might be referring to the fact that he revised Gulliver's travels many times. In Gulliver's travels, he, for a while, worked with pirates to travel to different lands.
All of this though, is only loosely tied to what's written. I still don't know why the pen "being positioned wrong" and the "it's empty" means. What is empty? The place? Is the fact that it's devoid of life the clue?
Chaoser quotes Jackal and both of them were thinking about the 18th century Naval references. I would expect chaoser to be a bit experienced in mafia yet he thinks about the 18th century references which should not be an indication for mafia people because if you combine that with LSB's day 1 post it would indicate that he is probably mafia.
Please note, the setting of this story, Britain in the 18th century, does not have anything to do with the mafia. Also because I didn’t want to research stuff that wasn’t going to be relevant, I’ll be using modern terminology
Furthermore he randomly votes for Node out of the blue. Of course this can be interpreted as a way to pressure someone to actually post more and I asked why he would do such a thing? Chaoser then went inactive for some reason or just doesn't want to respond to my questions.
DrH then gave me a logical reason but from his view and not from chaoser's. DrH then tells me that posting behavior means clues and he also says that chaoser is smart enough to know that. So why would chaoser do something like that? Beginners mistake?
So this gives me an even more of an impression that chaoser is most likely mafia and to watch out for.
On February 01 2011 10:36 shannn wrote: I should've read posts better. I missed the posts saying that the mafia lsb mentioned were not in the game lol.
So what is happening now guys? Mafia can kill 1 and town just waits till day >.>?
How do we people know there's a medic in the first place? I know it's mentioned in the roles but isn't stated anywhere that there is a medic in the first place. But on the other hand it could also very well mean there are 2 medics or w/e. This goes for veteran as well.
But if there is a medic among us then the following people should be protected: - Mr. Wiggles: I think Mr. Wiggles should be first because he was spot on with Jackal with his first analysis and he is very usefull for Town. - DrH: He's been being very objective and not discounting anything. Furthermore anything what Jackal said was mostly contradicted by DrH like how to analyse etc. So this gives me an even more impressions that he's surely pro-town.
But in any case I have another thing while I was reading the past pages of this thread.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts.
I was thinking exactly that. Jonathan Swift was always looking to make it big in society. He tried unsuccessfully to political position so maybe that's why the pirates took governor hostage. It wasn't money they were looking for, which Holmes alluded to, it was power.
Also, the pen and crossing out might be referring to the fact that he revised Gulliver's travels many times. In Gulliver's travels, he, for a while, worked with pirates to travel to different lands.
All of this though, is only loosely tied to what's written. I still don't know why the pen "being positioned wrong" and the "it's empty" means. What is empty? The place? Is the fact that it's devoid of life the clue?
Chaoser quotes Jackal and both of them were thinking about the 18th century Naval references. I would expect chaoser to be a bit experienced in mafia yet he thinks about the 18th century references which should not be an indication for mafia people because if you combine that with LSB's day 1 post it would indicate that he is probably mafia.
Please note, the setting of this story, Britain in the 18th century, does not have anything to do with the mafia. Also because I didn’t want to research stuff that wasn’t going to be relevant, I’ll be using modern terminology
Furthermore he randomly votes for Node out of the blue. Of course this can be interpreted as a way to pressure someone to actually post more and I asked why he would do such a thing? Chaoser then went inactive for some reason or just doesn't want to respond to my questions.
DrH then gave me a logical reason but from his view and not from chaoser's. DrH then tells me that posting behavior means clues and he also says that chaoser is smart enough to know that. So why would chaoser do something like that? Beginners mistake?
So this gives me an even more of an impression that chaoser is most likely mafia and to watch out for.
i would elaborate on this but i don't like talking during night phase
honestly town shouldn't talk at all. it does more harm than good.
It just took one night before we got another call. I watched LSB as he answered it. Suddenly his expression darkened, and he hurriedly put on his coat and rushed out the door. I gave chase, and asked what happened.
“Mistah Wiggles, He dead.” At the scene of the crime, the investigator passed us five pictures. “We received these from our informants in the area. These pictures are connected to the killer. They might help you find him. However, we believe that one of the pictures was sent from a double agent and can't be trusted.”
LSB stared at the pictures for a long minute and said, “I have an answer”
And at that moment, LSB had a terrible heart attack
Holden Caulfield hates others. That could explain the first picture (drop the bomb).
A quote from wikipedia about a story involving Caulfield: "Once home, he is not shown confronting his parents, who, according to the maid, are playing bridge."
That connects to the fourth picture. If anyone has anything on the other 3 then speak up. Raiden/Kenpachi/Gaara could all be said to use "magic" for the fourth one. The third could be reference to a particularly cold setting or animal tracks (pointing to Pandain).
One of the pictures is a red herring. I am inclined to believe it is the third or the last.
On February 01 2011 11:32 Kenpachi wrote: It looks like a movement in Beethoven's conerto No 5. The Main theme in Movement 1 is similar to the first line of the sheet
On February 01 2011 11:32 Kenpachi wrote: It looks like a movement in Beethoven's conerto No 5. The Main theme in Movement 1 is similar to the first line of the sheet
The fact that you know this is impressive in and of itself, I'm working on figuring out the pictures, I really like this clue, I'm sure it will be satisfactory when we figure it out. For now I'm going to try to connect the other pictures to Dr.H's lead, but I'll see if I have any other connections pop up.
A passing thought, the pictures could be a kind of puzzle with each picture standing for a word and then 4 out of the 5 words making a relevant phrase, I've been trying some permutations but haven't come up with anything yet.
On February 01 2011 11:41 GMarshal wrote: A passing thought, the pictures could be a kind of puzzle with each picture standing for a word and then 4 out of the 5 words making a relevant phrase, I've been trying some permutations but haven't come up with anything yet.
Yeah I'm trying the same thing. The other thought is that they simply relate to 4 clues from the person.
As soon as I saw red ink and people disappearing in the first post I thought about Gulliver's Travels. Johnathan Swift was a writer who, for his whole life, wanted to get into a high position in society, trying many times. That's what I assumed the kidnapping of the governor to be since Holmes was questioning why the pirates did that in the first place. In his books, which I assumed were used since Swift used Gulliver as a pseudonym, Gulliver joins up with a group of pirates/gets marooned by them and they "disappear" into the sky and end up in Laputa which would explain why no one was there anymore and thus the "empty".
I didn't think of 18th century references as the reason for thinking about Gulliver's Travels. I might have just read too much into it since it's one of my favorite books.
I voted Node cause I thought his posts were really wishy washy in the beginning, he didn't really settle on one thing and was mentioning two people's profiles and asking everyone what they thought which was exactly how I played mafia in the previous Mini game so I wanted to pressure him. When people got really onboard with the Jackel vote, I didn't want to push Node cause that would just give mafia a way of splitting the town vote so I didn't push it farther.
As for the clues, Holden Caulfield, while he hated others, was against killing others due to his older brother, Allie's, death. I don't know about the bridge thing though, that's not in The Catcher in the Rye at all, I don't think he's ever in the same place as his parents, only his sister.
Let's just get out a description of each thing: 1.Drop the bomb, exterminate them all. Angry statement, from apocalypse now(the movie). The movie was about a guy who was worshipped as god or something.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now 2.Lego's, 4 guys over two dead robotic things. Aliens? 3.Snow, no evidence of any person, but tracks. A single tree. Where is this picture from? 4.Magic tricks, hocus pocus kit. 5.Music.
On February 01 2011 12:01 Pandain wrote: Wait so the fifth picture is a red herring?
Let's just get out a description of each thing: 1.Drop the bomb, exterminate them all. Angry statement, from apocalypse now(the movie). The movie was about a guy who was worshipped as god or something.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now 2.Lego's, 4 guys over two dead robotic things. Aliens? 3.Snow, no evidence of any person, but tracks. A single tree. Where is this picture from? 4.Magic tricks, hocus pocus kit. 5.Music.
Also for five, the word Staccato is underlined and it means detached in italian
I think I may have found something from the Raiden Wikipedia article "Raiden released his godly essence, resulting in an enormous explosion." if that isn't "dropping the bomb then I don't know what is.
Tying him to the hocus pocus, teleporting and controlling thunder certainly count as magic, at least IMO.
Associating with the snow, well Raiden is a elemental god (god of wind and rain, I dont think snow is that much of a stretch)
I'm looking for a fourth tie in now (i really believe there has to be one) , but I thought I might as well direct peoples attention at my findings in the meantime.
Actually it's god of thunder, so that one is more than a bit of a stretch, but I agree the other two can point to me, somewhat.
Some relation to Gaara: "he was rejected by his peers and fellow villagers for being the host of a tailed beast" - legos "Gaara's development from this state into a highly withdrawn, sadistic character" - exterminate them all Also, the snow trails could represent his lonely path to finding adversaries worthy of battling.
But ignore that, let's get to the good part. Dr.H.
1. Music -> Thom Yorke - check 2. Legos -> Thom Yorke is in a band, might imply that 3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke. 4. Hocus Pocus / Cards -> Radiohead has a song called "House of Cards"
3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke.
I can't seem to find this anywhere. I mean, I can find the song and I know when you google it+radiohead you get a video of the sound+AN but I can't seem to find the track listed on any of the OST
3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke.
I can't seem to find this anywhere. I mean, I can find the song and I know when you google it+radiohead you get a video of the sound+AN but I can't seem to find the track listed on any of the OST
Yeah, you're right, it doesn't seem to be in the official OST. I just saw the video posted on youtube, vimeo, and other sites.
But it still can't be dismissed as a clue just because it's not on the OST, just not that strong of a clue. Which is what you'd expect from LSB in the first place.
3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke.
I can't seem to find this anywhere. I mean, I can find the song and I know when you google it+radiohead you get a video of the sound+AN but I can't seem to find the track listed on any of the OST
It seems it's reverse. Radiohead has a song named "Motion Picture Soundtrack", however that youtube video is just a homemade video and not the official video. I couldn't find the original.
Here's the album though. It was released in 2000. Highly unlikely it was used in a movie that existed 20 years before the album. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_A
My guess at the method of how he came up with the clues is something like
"W X Y Z" is a sentence about a very specific character.
google W "find a semi related photo google X "find a semi related photo google Y "find a semi related photo google Z "find a semi related photo" google something else and add it to confuse people.
So our goal should be to find the keywords for each photo and make a sentence or statement out of it.
This is how I'm going to approach it unless someone finds something better.
Clue #1 Apocalypse Now note saying "drop the bomb". This makes me think of the word "armageddon" which is the title of one of the mortal kombat games. Also someone mentioned his abilities that sound like an explosion.
Clue #2 Legos. Lego means "play well" in danish. Mortal Kombat is a game that you play. Both are things you play with.
Clue #3 Snow. Nothing yet.
Clue #4 Magic. "Raiden commands many supernatural abilities" directly from the wikipedia link
Clue #5 Music. Nothing yet.
So that is only 3 clues out of 5, but it's the best I've got. I found various references to other people (music to thom yorke, etc), but so far this is the only one I found with more than 1 possible reference.
...umm... so Lego + Drop the bomb sound like they are connected to MK, but Music (thom yorke) + Video of Apocalypse now with Raidohead soundtrack as one of the first results in google for apocaylpse now + House of Cards are not good references.
P.S.: Q from Star Treck also fits all your findings: #1. He could end all life, give life, etc. => He could easily cause apocalypse #2. Legos! He was playing with Picard, changing the flow of time, etc. #3. Magic... well... supernatural abilities, like you said.
Is anyone seriously buying this? Dr.H is clearly tied due to Music + Apocalypse now. There's no way that both of them are wrong. Show me a better connection than Apocalypse Now / Radiohead video. How the hell does "Apocalypse sounds like Armageddon which is part of the tile of a MK movie" fit better than googling: Apocalypse Now Radiohead -> BAM.
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are: - loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall - uses his sword and that's about it - is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch - has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general. Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
Will be back in the evening for more hunting.
Suggesting gaara is the strongest clue, but then saying he doesn't have time to analyze yet.
Crap.
Sorry for missing the vote. I've been working on my dissertation paper all night. I forgot to check this as well. I'm really sorry Elesbee.
Didn't do any more analysis or contribute and missed the lynching vote.
you're right. I'm bad at weekends. And this time i had a horrible monday as well. I'll try and pick up the pace tomorrow.
Still inactive
On February 01 2011 19:30 CubEdIn wrote: Actually it's god of thunder, so that one is more than a bit of a stretch, but I agree the other two can point to me, somewhat.
Some relation to Gaara: "he was rejected by his peers and fellow villagers for being the host of a tailed beast" - legos "Gaara's development from this state into a highly withdrawn, sadistic character" - exterminate them all Also, the snow trails could represent his lonely path to finding adversaries worthy of battling.
But ignore that, let's get to the good part. Dr.H.
1. Music -> Thom Yorke - check 2. Legos -> Thom Yorke is in a band, might imply that 3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke. 4. Hocus Pocus / Cards -> Radiohead has a song called "House of Cards"
Need I find more?
Some suspicion is put out and he is the first to respond (so much for being inactive). Also reraises suspecion on gaara for no apparent reason other than to divert attention away from himself. Then immediately finds a few random references (even an obscure one based on a homemade youtube video) and suggests he doesn't need to find more evidence.
3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke.
I can't seem to find this anywhere. I mean, I can find the song and I know when you google it+radiohead you get a video of the sound+AN but I can't seem to find the track listed on any of the OST
Yeah, you're right, it doesn't seem to be in the official OST. I just saw the video posted on youtube, vimeo, and other sites.
But it still can't be dismissed as a clue just because it's not on the OST, just not that strong of a clue. Which is what you'd expect from LSB in the first place.
Admits he just randomly found the video (which is only possible if you search for the words "radiohead apocolypse now") then suggests that LSB made the clues very obscure, but from the previous day, it seems once you find the overall reference or theme, the clues just roll together quickly.
On February 02 2011 02:42 CubEdIn wrote: P.S.: Q from Star Treck also fits all your findings: #1. He could end all life, give life, etc. => He could easily cause apocalypse #2. Legos! He was playing with Picard, changing the flow of time, etc. #3. Magic... well... supernatural abilities, like you said.
Is anyone seriously buying this? Dr.H is clearly tied due to Music + Apocalypse now. There's no way that both of them are wrong. Show me a better connection than Apocalypse Now / Radiohead video. How the hell does "Apocalypse sounds like Armageddon which is part of the tile of a MK movie" fit better than googling: Apocalypse Now Radiohead -> BAM.
I think the fact that it's from apocalypse now is actually irrelevant. The note suggests dropping the bomb and killing everyone. From the wikipedia "In Raiden's ending, he becomes extremely powerful after defeating Blaze. To make sure no other realm will possibly threaten Earthrealm again, he destroys them all."
On February 02 2011 02:51 CubEdIn wrote: Ok. Fine. Since you're so sure, we'll lynch me first. Then, when I flip green, town lynches you and DrH. Deal?
Eh i'm not 100% sure about anything yet which is why I haven't voted.
Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo.
On February 02 2011 02:42 CubEdIn wrote: P.S.: Q from Star Treck also fits all your findings: #1. He could end all life, give life, etc. => He could easily cause apocalypse #2. Legos! He was playing with Picard, changing the flow of time, etc. #3. Magic... well... supernatural abilities, like you said.
Is anyone seriously buying this? Dr.H is clearly tied due to Music + Apocalypse now. There's no way that both of them are wrong. Show me a better connection than Apocalypse Now / Radiohead video. How the hell does "Apocalypse sounds like Armageddon which is part of the tile of a MK movie" fit better than googling: Apocalypse Now Radiohead -> BAM.
radiohead never made a video about apocalypse now
there is a fan video of apocalypse now set to motion picture soundtrack which never had a music video. i realize the music thing fits but like I said, if you were to delve far enough into radiohead fandom (lyrics) you could make me fit anything. many of the hail to the thief lyrics reference war and bombs (sit down. stand up.)
but to go as far as to try to connect me from a fan music video for a song LSB may have never even heard is pretty ridiculous. the way how you talk about it like it is so obvious makes me almost sure you're mafia but i want to read some of the other posts in this thread before I say that.
On February 02 2011 02:37 CubEdIn wrote: ...umm... so Lego + Drop the bomb sound like they are connected to MK, but Music (thom yorke) + Video of Apocalypse now with Raidohead soundtrack as one of the first results in google for apocaylpse now + House of Cards are not good references.
Not scummy at all there buddy.
lol you're right it isn't. scummy refers to post behavior.
If only we had Mr. Wiggles. He's too damn important and he got killed.
Furthermore upon reading the day 2 post and replies from others I stumbled upon this. I bolded what I found curious combining with LSB's day 2 post.
On February 01 2011 12:01 Pandain wrote: Wait so the fifth picture is a red herring?
Let's just get out a description of each thing: 1.Drop the bomb, exterminate them all. Angry statement, from apocalypse now(the movie). The movie was about a guy who was worshipped as god or something.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now 2.Lego's, 4 guys over two dead robotic things. Aliens? 3.Snow, no evidence of any person, but tracks. A single tree. Where is this picture from? 4.Magic tricks, hocus pocus kit. 5.Music.
Point 1 -> a guy who was worshipped as a god -> Raiden is a god Point 4 -> Magic tricks -> Raiden has abilities that uses magic
Above was already mentioned before but this is where I found it interesting.
Raiden is a game character from Mortal Kombat. If you look at LSB's day 2 post what is the image referring to ? An Arcade game. If you click the following link and look at the right and check Platform of origin: Link.
It says arcade as the platform of origin.
Combine that with all the vague replies and trying to divert attentions and taking the cheap shot at me which Jackal did as well to get his own suspicions off himself I think that CubedIn is mafia!
A. I picked a character that can be tied to any clue. With hundreds of songs and a wide variety of musical themes (and bad fan music videos) any idiot could say "Well in the lyrics of Airbag it's implied there is a car crash! LSB posted a car! DrH is scum"
B. CubEdIn is either mafia or really bad. He never seemed THIS bad in previous games or this irrational so lets just lynch him. Chaoser is probably the other mafia but I'm not completely confident in that.
On February 02 2011 01:54 darmousseh wrote: My guess at the method of how he came up with the clues is something like
"W X Y Z" is a sentence about a very specific character.
google W "find a semi related photo google X "find a semi related photo google Y "find a semi related photo google Z "find a semi related photo" google something else and add it to confuse people.
So our goal should be to find the keywords for each photo and make a sentence or statement out of it.
This is how I'm going to approach it unless someone finds something better.
I took the photos myself (The one from Apocalypse now I snapped a picture of my Computer)
Right. So you're dismissing one clue because it's a fan-made video, as if it it's not on the OST, it doesn't count. Fact: If you google Apocalypse Now Radiohead, you will see the video. Fact: There is a photo with a music sheet, your character is strongly connected to music. Fact: There is a song by Radiohead called House of Cards.
These are not... lyric related, this is not vague like saying "oh well, see, they had a concert in Denmark, which is where legos come from". No. This is quite directly related: First result in google / Music sheet / Song name
Oh, and nice touch asking to lynch because he is "bad", so then when I flip green you can say "oh he was bad that's why we lynched, not because he put the FoS on me and darmousseh.
And speaking of which, how exactly am I being bad? Are you saying that NONE OF THE THREE CLUES can be rationally related to you, and that I'm just making shit up to try and get out of a lynch?
P.S.: Before you go on and vote for me feel free to analyze the other two minigames I was in: King Maker (mafia, won) and Assassin in the Palace (town, lost). I tend to be more aggressive when I am town, not that that's a sort of excuse, but if you're saying "well he's probably a bad town but let's lynch anyway" in a setup where there's 9town and 2red... then you're not really pro-town either, are you?
The apocalypse now connection is terrible. It's a horrible, unintuitive way to interpret the clue. One could likely find fan-made YouTube videos and google results that could fit any clue to any character. Look, I found a video of a t-Rex made out of legos, so clearly the clue applies to me!
That doesn't clear doch, though. The Lego aliens could be linked to the Radiohead song "Subterranean Homesick Alien". I've got nothing on the footprints, though. There is a radiohead song prominently featuring the lyric "I'm not here, this isn't happening", but that's a big enough stretch that I'm willing to discount it.
I would say that if the clues do reference Thom Yorke, the first one is the red herring. I think there's something we're missing in reference to another character, but I haven't found anything yet. It's likely a lot more simple than we're making it.
I'm also not willing to play the "lynch one guy, and if he's not red, lynch the other guy" game. It's far too easy for town to just attack each other in the clue set-up using the clues instead of actual behavior as their justification. Trust me, just because someone understood a clue wrong it hardly means they are mafia.
On February 02 2011 03:45 CubEdIn wrote: Right. So you're dismissing one clue because it's a fan-made video, as if it it's not on the OST, it doesn't count. Fact: If you google Apocalypse Now Radiohead, you will see the video. Fact: There is a photo with a music sheet, your character is strongly connected to music. Fact: There is a song by Radiohead called House of Cards.
These are not... lyric related, this is not vague like saying "oh well, see, they had a concert in Denmark, which is where legos come from". No. This is quite directly related: First result in google / Music sheet / Song name
Oh, and nice touch asking to lynch because he is "bad", so then when I flip green you can say "oh he was bad that's why we lynched, not because he put the FoS on me and darmousseh.
And speaking of which, how exactly am I being bad? Are you saying that NONE OF THE THREE CLUES can be rationally related to you, and that I'm just making shit up to try and get out of a lynch?
No any clue can be rationally related to me. Literally any clue.
Go ahead, post some random pics and I'll go ahead and relate them to Radiohead for you. You're bad for thinking your clue analysis is strong and even worse for thinking a fan made video for a radiohead song (not a thom yorke song, nothing that would have EVER come up from the thom yorke wikipedia article) is what LSB just stumbled upon and referenced.
How obscure. The only person who would find that is a mafia looking for ways to incriminate me or a hardcore Radiohead fan.
On February 02 2011 04:50 Node wrote: The apocalypse now connection is terrible. It's a horrible, unintuitive way to interpret the clue. One could likely find fan-made YouTube videos and google results that could fit any clue to any character. Look, I found a video of a t-Rex made out of legos, so clearly the clue applies to me!
That doesn't clear doch, though. The Lego aliens could be linked to the Radiohead song "Subterranean Homesick Alien". I've got nothing on the footprints, though. There is a radiohead song prominently featuring the lyric "I'm not here, this isn't happening", but that's a big enough stretch that I'm willing to discount it.
I would say that if the clues do reference Thom Yorke, the first one is the red herring. I think there's something we're missing in reference to another character, but I haven't found anything yet. It's likely a lot more simple than we're making it.
I'm also not willing to play the "lynch one guy, and if he's not red, lynch the other guy" game. It's far too easy for town to just attack each other in the clue set-up using the clues instead of actual behavior as their justification. Trust me, just because someone understood a clue wrong it hardly means they are mafia.
yes like i said any of the clues can reference me.
1. drop the bomb (sit down. stand up. is a popular radiohead song referring to nuclear warefare and bombs) 2. lego alien (subterannean homesick alien) 3. snow, animal tracks, winter (literally almost everything on the eraser is about global warming/animals disappearing) 4. magic/cards (house of cards) 5. music (musicians)
come up with 5 more random things and I'll relate them to Radiohead.
On February 02 2011 03:02 CubEdIn wrote: Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo.
chainsaw defense doesn't directly defend himself but focuses on his bad campaign uses the classic "im so sure im green/when i flip green you'll be sorry" which makes wishy washy players doubt
On February 02 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: your posts are the scummiest besides cubedin
you don't contribute anything or weigh in on what we're talking about with any weight and just pop up to question your accuser
i'm not 100% sold but if tomorrow there is any connection to you, you're getting lynched
I didn't think what's his name, Carlos, was mafia. I thought the clues were too easy but everyone was so gung ho about it and I wasn't 100% sure myself so I didn't say anything. After he flipped red the only people i'm pretty sure aren't mafia are wiggles, shann and node now just cause they were so quick to jump on Jackal. You'll probably somehow tie me to the clues like you tried to do today. I mean, bridge? to a magic set? really? That's not even part of Catcher in the Rye... =p I still don't trust you cause this could all be some big mafia ploy which i wouldn't put past you.
And at that moment, the wall collapsed onto LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel.
Sounds like a move by Gaara. If you dont know, Gravel is like sand and where is gaara from!? Sand Village
On January 29 2011 13:07 Kenpachi wrote: Plus, The way Gaara uses his powers is to crush his victims with sand BUT THEN,that doesnt match with little bloodshed because its a very messy power.
a clue we should look at is the bloodstained note.
On January 29 2011 13:08 Kenpachi wrote: if there are random splotches of blood though, im sure Gaara is our prime suspect.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
On January 29 2011 13:43 GMarshal wrote: Just a random thought as I read through the different Wikipedia articles, Kenpachi Zaraki is a ship captain (Naval operations?), also IIRC the whole of Bleach had something to do with pirates (I haven't read the manga or seen the anime so if I am mistaken about that then forgive me)
nope. Im a Shinigami that likes to massacre people for the heck of it.
Just responds to people's statements/makes non committal statements of his own.
On January 30 2011 09:54 Kenpachi wrote: aw.. am not sure which one to vote for Jackal or darmousseh. Theyre the strongest suspects imo and i just remembered i wear an eyepatch (pirate) LOL
On January 30 2011 09:55 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote darmousseh I mentioned the gravel first so ill stick to you
Votes darmousseh solely on the gravel thing, giving the shitty reason of "I mentioned it first"
On January 31 2011 11:27 Kenpachi wrote: I would believe DrH is townie this game and he would probably not have martyred Jackal if he was Mafia so yea Medic should protect DrH
QUOTE]On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote: Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O
On February 01 2011 11:32 Kenpachi wrote: It looks like a movement in Beethoven's conerto No 5. The Main theme in Movement 1 is similar to the first line of the sheet
[/QUOTE]
Talks about the music sheet even though LSB said it didn't matter
On February 02 2011 03:02 CubEdIn wrote: Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo.
chainsaw defense doesn't directly defend himself but focuses on his bad campaign uses the classic "im so sure im green/when i flip green you'll be sorry" which makes wishy washy players doubt
classic and obvious
Yet, when I did that in the other games, I always turned out town. Go figure.
Also, It's not chainsaw defense. I'm defending myself by saying that the way he is tying clues to Raiden is [way] more far-fetched then the ones pointing at DrH.
And you can go defend yourself, you can say that they're not related, but if you try to turn it on me, then you better have some very good reasons to do so. Basically, you're turning it on me because I voted for you. That's all. You have no other reason other than "you're playing badly", and I'm playing badly, not because I stretched out on the clues analysis like your buddy, but because there's no possible way I'm town? Really? That's the reasoning?
I don't mind it when people defend themselves, but when they do that by trying to turn it around on whoever FoSed them, it's a sign of scum.
Sad part is, people probably won't consider you as a target even after I flip green, so you don't have much to fear anyway.
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. You really think that if I was scum, my partners wouldn't PMed me or something?
Anyway, LSB could just like that song OR that movie and thought it was obscure enough to use it as a clue. The fact that it's right there in your face when you google for apocalypse now radiohead, is too much of a coincidence. I'm sorry, it just is. And couple that with the music sheet, house of cards, it points to you more than it points to ANYONE ELSE in this game. And trust me, I looked. And I'm saying that, if the only other option that town found was that they point to motherf*ing RAIDEN, GOD OF THUNDER \o/, then the town deserves to lose. ^_^
And yeah, I'm a radiohead fan, not a "hardcore" one, but I don't see what that has to do with the game.
DoctorHelvetica may have a point with the fact that almost anything can be tied to him if we stray too far away from just the main Wikipedia page related to Thom Yorke, I mean look at it this way if you look at the album In Rainbows you get "15 step" which could easily be related to the tracks in the snow, bodysnatchers which can be tied to the Lego aliens, House of cards, which was already mentioned. A musics score which can obviously be related to a band.
But to get any of these you have to go and research their albums which I think is too much of a stretch, I suspect that the clues are drawn straight from the Wikipedia pages. Foe this reason the clues pointing at Cube convince me much more.
On February 02 2011 05:42 chaoser wrote: ##Vote Kenpachi
How's that for a stance?
I must say that your analysis does say a lot about kenpachi and indirectly about DrH. Your reasoning about Node is logical afterwards but at the time you were laying low and not saying anything makes it seem that you just couldn't defend yourself with. Giving reasons out afterwards is a bit easy to defend yourself with because you can take into the account of the events that happened afterwards. In either case it's still going to make you a strong suspect.
You don't talk / go into the discussion on the people that is being discussed here and that's that DrH and Cubed are being suspected of being mafia by eachother.
It's like the saying, if it's too good to be true it is.
The music sheets and all makes it sound too easy to target me or DrH. Cubed however takes a bit of analyse like Jackal. You say it was too easy to find out that Jackal was mafia, but did you forget that some clues are just there to throw us off. Like gravel in the first post or the bodies. Jackal however had 1 key clue (a group name). The rest is a bit of speculation which supports the clue indirectly.
This time we don't really know the key clue yet BUT we do have 2 strong leads which can imply what the key clue is.
There are only 2 strong theories so far about the suspects DrH and Cubed.
The first one being is games. The day 2 picture = arcade game about pressing the music at the right time like guitar hero (or w/e the name is). - The picture about drop the bomb / apocalypse = about a movie where he thinks he's a god which points at Raiden a character of a video game. - Lego = hobby/game - The poker cards = game - The music sheet = games always have music
This tells me the snow image is just a fake clue. That's it about Cubed.
For DrH the post can also mean to him because: - Day 2 image = game about music - Drop the bomb or something others have said -> it's tied to Radiohead which is -> tied to Thom Yorke. - Lego -> I have no clue about yet - snow -> the fake clue - Cards -> house of cards another lyric of Radiohead -> Thom Yorke - Music sheet -> music -> Thom Yorke.
Don't know which one was the fan lyric.
Both have strong ties to the images directly or indirectly through their key clues which is either game or music.
You people decide. I haven't decided yet but will be tommorow (when's the deadline for voting?).
Also what were the voting of everyone? I'd like to know.
We still have 30 hours until we have to decide who we lynch. If anyone can find more clues please do so. We lost our best clue analyzer so far so someone needs to step up (including myself). If we can't find better clues I would vote for cubed not only because the clues seem to fit him the most, but because he is acting very awkwardly even if he is an aggressive townie. Something makes me think it's someone else though.
Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Furthormore originally I thought the youtube video was a good find, but its fan made and the other pictures don't relate to him really at all. Finally, on a non-clue standpoint, Dr. H is one of the few people I feel is really pro town. He voted Jackal early, warded me against trying to get someone else lynched, and overall has been pretty pro town.
But actually I think the clues might point to someone else: Q, from Startrek.
The first picture, which says "drop the bomb, exterminate them all." Q in several Star trek episodes, notably "Neverending Trial", said that Humanity should be destroyed. Usually he had a request, "Do this or be destroyed" but the basis is the same.
The second picture, with aliens, well that's pretty obvious. An obviously non human entity is killed by other humans. Note the strange creature is even holding what appears to be a laser gun.
As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.
The fourth picture is obvious as well. A magic card set, and Q can do things which appear as magic.
The fifth picture I believe is the red herring. It was set to cast suspicion most notably upon Dr. H.
On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote: Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Furthormore originally I thought the youtube video was a good find, but its fan made and the other pictures don't relate to him really at all. Finally, on a non-clue standpoint, Dr. H is one of the few people I feel is really pro town. He voted Jackal early, warded me against trying to get someone else lynched, and overall has been pretty pro town.
But actually I think the clues might point to someone else: Q, from Startrek.
The first picture, which says "drop the bomb, exterminate them all." Q in several Star trek episodes, notably "Neverending Trial", said that Humanity should be destroyed. Usually he had a request, "Do this or be destroyed" but the basis is the same.
The second picture, with aliens, well that's pretty obvious. An obviously non human entity is killed by other humans. Note the strange creature is even holding what appears to be a laser gun.
As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.
The fourth picture is obvious as well. A magic card set, and Q can do things which appear as magic.
The fifth picture I believe is the red herring. It was set to cast suspicion most notably upon Dr. H.
I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all.
Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me. Everyone who is pointing their suspicion towards me is a suspect of being mafia. Why you ask? Simply because if I were to follow your own post I'd have this.
On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote: Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Oh and I will tell you that all future clues in this game will fit me. If you can find something that doesn't fit me than you probably haven't thought much about it yet.
I'm horrible with clues, especially this one since I have no idea where to start. That's why I'm doing more analysis of posts and why I voted Node even though there weren't anything in the clues that talked about him. And that why I'd prefer Kenpachi to be lynched given my read through of his posts. If i had to pick between Dr.H and Cube though, I'd pick Dr. H just cause of the semi connection he has to Kenpachi. If he flips red, we probably have our last mafia.
The idea that Jackal's death was bussed is still very much in my head. The way I see it happening is like this. Wiggles and Node provide really solid analysis of the clues and the mafia, seeing that he'd probably get lynched, jumped first to bus him before any townie could vote for him. When he flipped Red, the first person (Dr. H) could always fall back on "why would I bus my own teammate day 1 when no one else had voted for him yet" even though in reality, he was already on the chopping block, mafia just wanted to seem pro town. With Kenpachi's little remarks about how Dr. H is the most pro-town, people would start to think, yeah, maybe he IS pro town and not mafia at all.
If you notice, wiggles, node, and shann already put a lot of pressure on Jackal already in the beginning. Dr. H was too busy talking about pandas and whether they eat people or not and all of a sudden busts out with this:
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
when his previous posts had all been talking about pandas with Pandain and darmousseh
On February 02 2011 07:03 chaoser wrote: I'm horrible with clues, especially this one since I have no idea where to start. That's why I'm doing more analysis of posts and why I voted Node even though there weren't anything in the clues that talked about him. And that why I'd prefer Kenpachi to be lynched given my read through of his posts. If i had to pick between Dr.H and Cube though, I'd pick Dr. H just cause of the semi connection he has to Kenpachi. If he flips red, we probably have our last mafia.
The idea that Jackal's death was bussed is still very much in my head. The way I see it happening is like this. Wiggles and Node provide really solid analysis of the clues and the mafia, seeing that he'd probably get lynched, jumped first to bus him before any townie could vote for him. When he flipped Red, the first person (Dr. H) could always fall back on "why would I bus my own teammate day 1 when no one else had voted for him yet" even though in reality, he was already on the chopping block, mafia just wanted to seem pro town. With Kenpachi's little remarks about how Dr. H is the most pro-town, people would start to think, yeah, maybe he IS pro town and not mafia at all.
If you notice, wiggles, node, and shann already put a lot of pressure on Jackal already in the beginning. Dr. H was too busy talking about pandas and whether they eat people or not and all of a sudden busts out with this:
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
when his previous posts had all been talking about pandas with Pandain and darmousseh
Yes I agree with you. If Kenpachi does flip red then DrH is automatically red and Kenpachi hasn't really contributed much of his own analysis which you have pointed out.
It's also interesting to note that if you read my above post of the votes that was done then you can see that Kenpachi and Jackal both voted the same guy which is darmousseh (Gaara). It supports your theory but it still doesn't get you off the hook yet.
On February 02 2011 06:25 GMarshal wrote: DoctorHelvetica may have a point with the fact that almost anything can be tied to him if we stray too far away from just the main Wikipedia page related to Thom Yorke, I mean look at it this way if you look at the album In Rainbows you get "15 step" which could easily be related to the tracks in the snow, bodysnatchers which can be tied to the Lego aliens, House of cards, which was already mentioned. A musics score which can obviously be related to a band.
But to get any of these you have to go and research their albums which I think is too much of a stretch, I suspect that the clues are drawn straight from the Wikipedia pages. Foe this reason the clues pointing at Cube convince me much more.
Fair enough, I agree to what most people say, it's not 100% fool-proof. But to me, at least, it sounds more clear than the ones that are pointing to me, which can be applied to Q just as well (as I posted previously).
Also, I didn't do a lot of research at all. I read what people said, I saw the music sheet, and I remembered that House of Cards was a Radiohead song, so I just googled Apocalypse Now (i didn't see the movie, but someone pointed out that the image was from it) and Radiohead, and I got the video. It was literally less than one minute "research", and it's far easier to get at than most people make it seem. And the song name is a song name, not a lyric, that would be indeed very obscure.
And if you think about it, it's possible that the clues DO point at radiohead song titles (15 step / House of cards / etc), and that's the connection, while one of them doesn't, like the legos. You can't just dismiss that as a possibility, that's all. And if I had to pick between the top two suspects (me and drh) who should I pick?
On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote: Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Furthormore originally I thought the youtube video was a good find, but its fan made and the other pictures don't relate to him really at all. Finally, on a non-clue standpoint, Dr. H is one of the few people I feel is really pro town. He voted Jackal early, warded me against trying to get someone else lynched, and overall has been pretty pro town.
But actually I think the clues might point to someone else: Q, from Startrek.
The first picture, which says "drop the bomb, exterminate them all." Q in several Star trek episodes, notably "Neverending Trial", said that Humanity should be destroyed. Usually he had a request, "Do this or be destroyed" but the basis is the same.
The second picture, with aliens, well that's pretty obvious. An obviously non human entity is killed by other humans. Note the strange creature is even holding what appears to be a laser gun.
As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.
The fourth picture is obvious as well. A magic card set, and Q can do things which appear as magic.
The fifth picture I believe is the red herring. It was set to cast suspicion most notably upon Dr. H.
I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all.
Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me. Everyone who is pointing their suspicion towards me is a suspect of being mafia. Why you ask? Simply because if I were to follow your own post I'd have this.
On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote: Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Except it really doesn't. Like last day really didn't fit you at all, besides that they both killed people/were bad. It fit Jackal like a key, and so does this day.
And you could defend yourself every day, even if mafia, by saying "Well since my character can do anything, all clues can point towards me." When really they can't. Like the music clue, for instance.
Dang I think we are looking at these clues all wrong. Something else has got to give. Something tells me that there is a high likelihood that we are going to accidentally lynch green simply because the clues are getting us nowhere.
On February 02 2011 07:35 darmousseh wrote: Dang I think we are looking at these clues all wrong. Something else has got to give. Something tells me that there is a high likelihood that we are going to accidentally lynch green simply because the clues are getting us nowhere.
That's why I'm saying lynch Kenpachi...look at his posts...
On February 02 2011 07:03 chaoser wrote: I'm horrible with clues, especially this one since I have no idea where to start. That's why I'm doing more analysis of posts and why I voted Node even though there weren't anything in the clues that talked about him. And that why I'd prefer Kenpachi to be lynched given my read through of his posts. If i had to pick between Dr.H and Cube though, I'd pick Dr. H just cause of the semi connection he has to Kenpachi. If he flips red, we probably have our last mafia.
The idea that Jackal's death was bussed is still very much in my head. The way I see it happening is like this. Wiggles and Node provide really solid analysis of the clues and the mafia, seeing that he'd probably get lynched, jumped first to bus him before any townie could vote for him. When he flipped Red, the first person (Dr. H) could always fall back on "why would I bus my own teammate day 1 when no one else had voted for him yet" even though in reality, he was already on the chopping block, mafia just wanted to seem pro town. With Kenpachi's little remarks about how Dr. H is the most pro-town, people would start to think, yeah, maybe he IS pro town and not mafia at all.
If you notice, wiggles, node, and shann already put a lot of pressure on Jackal already in the beginning. Dr. H was too busy talking about pandas and whether they eat people or not and all of a sudden busts out with this:
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
when his previous posts had all been talking about pandas with Pandain and darmousseh
I've never liked this notion of "bust out" or "out of nowhere"
I'm not the kind of player (anymore) that tells everyone what I'm thinking all the time. if I think someone might be mafia I wait and watch them post more before I say anything. Usually I have a very strong suspicion by day 1 that I'm silent about if I feel the lynch won't go there and I refuse to talk about my thoughts at night unless I think they're really relevant.
It doesn't make any sense. If I posted the entirety of my thought process up into thinking Jackal was the best lynch then I'd just be spamming the thread.
As far as being able to fall back on the bus, I can't do that without being a hypocrite. It's well known that I love bussing. In HP mafia I bussed LSB day 1. In a mini mafia game (i think ran by artanis) I seriously considered bussing my teammate even though i only had one.
If you can tell me how my posting behavior is anti-town or pro-scum please do, but I'm fairly certain you'd have a difficult time doing that. I just try to avoid the poor habits that TL towns have and the rest of you honestly should follow suit. When this game is over I'll talk more about that. I don't like the demanding climate of TL towns and being frustrated about it is part of why I kinda lost a lot of interest in mafia. I'm a player now that likes to post in bursts. I watch the thread quietly and I don't say anything until I have a lot to say.
I dumped Pandain for Jackal for a number of reasons: a. pandain is always the most suspicious townie for numerous reasons such as always lying about his role (pretending to be blue when he's green), being extremely wishy washy, etc. b. i never accused him of being mafia i simply said it was stupid to assume he can't be connected to the day 1 clues. c. jackal fit the clues better d. jackal's posting was scummier
I voted for him for the same reasons the rest of you did. This is a WIFOM argument. Stating that it's possible a mafia would vote for Jackal is fine and people should be well aware of that. I am not cleared because I helped get Jackal lynched even more so because I did so later. But it is not an accusation and it would appear absurd on a list of reasons why I would be suspected of being mafia.
And at that moment, the wall collapsed onto LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel.
Sounds like a move by Gaara. If you dont know, Gravel is like sand and where is gaara from!? Sand Village
On January 29 2011 13:07 Kenpachi wrote: Plus, The way Gaara uses his powers is to crush his victims with sand BUT THEN,that doesnt match with little bloodshed because its a very messy power.
a clue we should look at is the bloodstained note.
On January 29 2011 13:08 Kenpachi wrote: if there are random splotches of blood though, im sure Gaara is our prime suspect.
Rambles on about Gaara
Hey i didnt understand the other clues but Gaara can be inferred to be the killer at this scene.. But Killer is singular so he isnt the killer anymore as Jackal flipped Mafia. Plus, I said that right after LSB posted the Day post. I was using my polished narutard knowledge to give my insight
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
On January 29 2011 13:43 GMarshal wrote: Just a random thought as I read through the different Wikipedia articles, Kenpachi Zaraki is a ship captain (Naval operations?), also IIRC the whole of Bleach had something to do with pirates (I haven't read the manga or seen the anime so if I am mistaken about that then forgive me)
nope. Im a Shinigami that likes to massacre people for the heck of it.
Just responds to people's statements/makes non committal statements of his own.
On January 30 2011 09:54 Kenpachi wrote: aw.. am not sure which one to vote for Jackal or darmousseh. Theyre the strongest suspects imo and i just remembered i wear an eyepatch (pirate) LOL
On January 31 2011 11:27 Kenpachi wrote: I would believe DrH is townie this game and he would probably not have martyred Jackal if he was Mafia so yea Medic should protect DrH
QUOTE]On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote: Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O
On February 01 2011 11:32 Kenpachi wrote: It looks like a movement in Beethoven's conerto No 5. The Main theme in Movement 1 is similar to the first line of the sheet
Talks about the music sheet even though LSB said it didn't matter
I talked about it BEFORE he said it wasnt important. ~_~ And i didnt know what red herring was but i looked it up after pandain said red herring and i dont think i talked aobut it after that.
On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote: Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O
Nice, the song listed is not the song pictured, but I don't think that is important. I've played that song before.
then tell us!!
No i mean i played the song that was listed in the picture at the top, not the song from the clue
I will try to figure it out though.
It's a random etude, the actual song itself is unimportant
then in this case, DrH is the only one related to music. I think this is way too obvious and the killer must have listened to the etude or something
On February 01 2011 12:03 Kenpachi wrote: That alien that died i think is the Yossarian..
Random stuff/Defends you
What im not allowed to give my answers or thoughts?
If TL mods were looking at his posting history he'd be banned with the number of one liners he has. I'm more scummy than that? Get out of here Yes you are[/QUOTE]
On February 02 2011 07:35 darmousseh wrote: Dang I think we are looking at these clues all wrong. Something else has got to give. Something tells me that there is a high likelihood that we are going to accidentally lynch green simply because the clues are getting us nowhere.
That's why I'm saying lynch Kenpachi...look at his posts...
another reason I think you're mafia
kenpachi is always the easiest lynch. I won't beat around the bush, in my honest opinion Kenpachi is the worst player of mafia that plays on a regular basis by far. He has an incredibly scummy and stupid way of playing town. I'll look back and see if there is actually good reason to suspect him.
If it's just his usual wishy washy, non contributive, asking stupid questions self then I say it's a cold lynch until there is a hard clue connection.
I'm not the kind of player (anymore) that tells everyone what I'm thinking all the time. if I think someone might be mafia I wait and watch them post more before I say anything. Usually I have a very strong suspicion by day 1 that I'm silent about if I feel the lynch won't go there and I refuse to talk about my thoughts at night unless I think they're really relevant.
Same logic as me then? That's pretty much what I did, or my thought process that caused me to not post more on Day 1.
I'd rather lynch Kenpachi over you, that's what I'm saying. If i had to pick btw you and Cube, I really don't know anymore at this point especially after reading what LSB said about inactives.
On February 02 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: your posts are the scummiest besides cubedin
you don't contribute anything or weigh in on what we're talking about with any weight and just pop up to question your accuser
i'm not 100% sold but if tomorrow there is any connection to you, you're getting lynched
I didn't think what's his name, Carlos, was mafia. I thought the clues were too easy but everyone was so gung ho about it and I wasn't 100% sure myself so I didn't say anything. After he flipped red the only people i'm pretty sure aren't mafia are wiggles, shann and node now just cause they were so quick to jump on Jackal. You'll probably somehow tie me to the clues like you tried to do today. I mean, bridge? to a magic set? really? That's not even part of Catcher in the Rye... =p I still don't trust you cause this could all be some big mafia ploy which i wouldn't put past you.
It's as good of a connection as the House of Cards radiohead song, if not better. More so because the exact quote I stated appears in the wikipedia article.
We can only assume FOR SURE that LSB has read the wikipedia articles linked in the OP post. Anything appearing in those articles or referenced therin is fair grounds for clue connection. Going outside of that is erring on the side of speculation. The bridge quote was within the Holden Caulfield wikipedia article. Whether or not it was in Catcher in the Rye is irrelevant. You linked to Holden Caulfield NOT Catcher In The Rye.
On February 02 2011 03:02 CubEdIn wrote: Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo.
chainsaw defense doesn't directly defend himself but focuses on his bad campaign uses the classic "im so sure im green/when i flip green you'll be sorry" which makes wishy washy players doubt
classic and obvious
Yet, when I did that in the other games, I always turned out town. Go figure.
Also, It's not chainsaw defense. I'm defending myself by saying that the way he is tying clues to Raiden is [way] more far-fetched then the ones pointing at DrH.
And you can go defend yourself, you can say that they're not related, but if you try to turn it on me, then you better have some very good reasons to do so. Basically, you're turning it on me because I voted for you. That's all. You have no other reason other than "you're playing badly", and I'm playing badly, not because I stretched out on the clues analysis like your buddy, but because there's no possible way I'm town? Really? That's the reasoning?
I don't mind it when people defend themselves, but when they do that by trying to turn it around on whoever FoSed them, it's a sign of scum.
Sad part is, people probably won't consider you as a target even after I flip green, so you don't have much to fear anyway.
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. You really think that if I was scum, my partners wouldn't PMed me or something?
Anyway, LSB could just like that song OR that movie and thought it was obscure enough to use it as a clue. The fact that it's right there in your face when you google for apocalypse now radiohead, is too much of a coincidence. I'm sorry, it just is. And couple that with the music sheet, house of cards, it points to you more than it points to ANYONE ELSE in this game. And trust me, I looked. And I'm saying that, if the only other option that town found was that they point to motherf*ing RAIDEN, GOD OF THUNDER \o/, then the town deserves to lose. ^_^
And yeah, I'm a radiohead fan, not a "hardcore" one, but I don't see what that has to do with the game.
If the game ends and it turns out you are green as well I'd like you to think long and hard about why your clue analysis was terrible.
kenpachi is always the easiest lynch. I won't beat around the bush, in my honest opinion Kenpachi is the worst player of mafia that plays on a regular basis by far. He has an incredibly scummy and stupid way of playing town. I'll look back and see if there is actually good reason to suspect him.
If it's just his usual wishy washy, non contributive, asking stupid questions self then I say it's a cold lynch until there is a hard clue connection.
BTW, that's a horrible excuse/defense. "He's a bad player"? Really? That's your go to plan to defend him? You'll go back and see if there's a good reason to suspect him? I already compiled all his posts into one post. Why don't you go look at that now? Should take you 15 minutes right?
Alright, well I gotta do some work and I think there's been enough said for today. I am going to vote now just in case I get distracted by the other mafia game and the conversation is going nowhere right now. If anyone finds any other possible clues I will help research into them more, just send me a pm.
I'm not defending him I'm saying his post history is inconclusive. It doesn't incriminate him as mafia because that's the way he usually posts. I did just read it. It's Kenpachi being Kenpachi.
I wouldn't say "Pandain is mafia becuase he pretended to be a mad hatter" because he always does shit like that when he's town. If annul lied about his role then I would tell people.
Kenpachi is acting like Kenpachi. I hate having players like him in the game because he's so bad at the game it's really difficult to read him. That's why I don't want to lynch him. Nothing he said was scummy when you put it in the context of how he plays. He always posts like that as town and I don't remember participating in any games where he was mafia. Players like that usually act the same. That's why I said wait until there is a clue connection.
It sounds like you just want to avoid lynching CubEdIn who has both: poor/scummy post behavior (in the context of his previous games) clue connections
kenpachi has: bad posts
but he always does. I don't like to analyse coagulation either because he's always spammy and just says irrelevant shit. He always is quick to accuse someone with bad logic whether he's scum or town. I think it's a pretty simple concept to understand. Go look at all the games where Kenpachi got lynched day 1 for this reasons and how town vowed "never again we accept kenpachi plays in this bad and scummy style as town!" and then lynch him again. He's the obvious target but when you look at the "metagame" (a word I hate to use) it just isn't a strong case. Sorry.
On February 02 2011 07:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't like to analyze coagulation either because he's always spammy and just says irrelevant shit. He always is quick to accuse someone with bad logic whether he's scum or town..
On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote: Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Furthormore originally I thought the youtube video was a good find, but its fan made and the other pictures don't relate to him really at all. Finally, on a non-clue standpoint, Dr. H is one of the few people I feel is really pro town. He voted Jackal early, warded me against trying to get someone else lynched, and overall has been pretty pro town.
But actually I think the clues might point to someone else: Q, from Startrek.
The first picture, which says "drop the bomb, exterminate them all." Q in several Star trek episodes, notably "Neverending Trial", said that Humanity should be destroyed. Usually he had a request, "Do this or be destroyed" but the basis is the same.
The second picture, with aliens, well that's pretty obvious. An obviously non human entity is killed by other humans. Note the strange creature is even holding what appears to be a laser gun.
As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.
The fourth picture is obvious as well. A magic card set, and Q can do things which appear as magic.
The fifth picture I believe is the red herring. It was set to cast suspicion most notably upon Dr. H.
I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all.
Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me. Everyone who is pointing their suspicion towards me is a suspect of being mafia. Why you ask? Simply because if I were to follow your own post I'd have this.
On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote: Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Except it really doesn't. Like last day really didn't fit you at all, besides that they both killed people/were bad. It fit Jackal like a key, and so does this day.
And you could defend yourself every day, even if mafia, by saying "Well since my character can do anything, all clues can point towards me." When really they can't. Like the music clue, for instance.
For the music did you forget there is 1 false clue like LSB mentioned.
Q is omnipotent and can do everything in the universe. You mentioned it yourself
As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.
I will repeat this every time. Q can do anything as long as you just make a reason up like you just did about the snow and the footsteps. There is no connection other than I could possibly teleport/hover/turn invisible.
Doesn't this basically applies to the music instance as well? With just any reason how lousy or how good it is like Q can play the piano or Q can become that sheet of paper. Any reason is good enough to fit Q.
Sorry but unless LSB says explicitly NO it's not about Star Trek then I will fit the bill everytime.
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. .
???? U posted once after the game started talking about how clues could relate to Raiden. + Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2011 21:59 CubEdIn wrote: Hi everyone.
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are: - loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall - uses his sword and that's about it - is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch - has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general. Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
Will be back in the evening for more hunting.
Sort of lethargic here, I'll try to post an analysis on Cubed in shortly. Originally I thought he was town, but looking over his posts his play reminds me of mine in Insane mafia, where even if my logic was pretty bad I would stick to it.
On February 02 2011 07:00 shannn wrote: I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all.
Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me.
This is very poor reasoning. Granted, Q has the ability to do anything and everything, but the things Pandain pointed out (with the exception of tracks in the snow) have to do more with his character (the things he has said and done) and less with his abilities. For instance, showing an alien creature surrounded by spacemen is a very strong link to Q's character and the experiences he had.
It's WIFOM, but saying "Q can be and do anything" is as much a way for you to deflect suspicion as it is to put it on you.
@pandain Oh yea if I were mafia I'd be saying the same thing now. Because it's that easy having Q as your character.
You're posting very contradictory. First you say that not everything can point to me like that music sheet but then you post something like a picture of tracks in the snow MIGHT be related to me because I can do everything like turning invisible, teleport etc.
Vague post of yours and I am eagerly inclined to see what you will flip at.
On February 02 2011 07:00 shannn wrote: I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all.
Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me.
This is very poor reasoning. Granted, Q has the ability to do anything and everything, but the things Pandain pointed out (with the exception of tracks in the snow) have to do more with his character (the things he has said and done) and less with his abilities. For instance, showing an alien creature surrounded by spacemen is a very strong link to Q's character and the experiences he had.
It's WIFOM, but saying "Q can be and do anything" is as much a way for you to deflect suspicion as it is to put it on you.
True but I'm not saying that I am the perfect match or best match at all times.I am saying that I am able to fit all of those and fit all of those clues. Else everyone would be suspecting me
Every clue can point to me but it doesn't mean I'm always the best matched. Look at DrH. He has a suspicion that I might be mafia but Carlos at day 1 fits him better. This is why it's easy to target me as mafia. It doesn't have to be perfect just a link should be good enough. Which is my entire point.
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. .
???? U posted once after the game started talking about how clues could relate to Raiden. + Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2011 21:59 CubEdIn wrote: Hi everyone.
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are: - loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall - uses his sword and that's about it - is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch - has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general. Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
Will be back in the evening for more hunting.
Sort of lethargic here, I'll try to post an analysis on Cubed in shortly. Originally I thought he was town, but looking over his posts his play reminds me of mine in Insane mafia, where even if my logic was pretty bad I would stick to it.
How the heck am I lying. It took me like 1 minute to come up with all three clues, and I posted. The video is there first page, my only fault was that I did not check the original OST of the movie.
And to me, that's still a dumb reason as to why it can't be a clue. Please.
Basically, you're thinking that I was mafia and I did the follwing: 1. Hmm... music sheet, I could incriminate DrH 2. Cards... well, radiohead must have a song with cards... House of cards, awesome. 3. Now, if there would only be a way to tie up something else to him... let's see.. these guys said the picture is from Apocalypse now... Gee, I sure hope that if I Google Apocalypse now Radiohead there will be a freaking music clip there on the first page!. OH LUCKY ME!
That's absurd.
If you guys don't think these are reasonable clues, FINE. If you guys think the clues better point to Raiden, FINE. But don't fking say I'm a bad player and I suck @ town because I found actual relations from the clues to one of the profiles. None of my clues are nearly as bad as the ones pointing at raiden. None.
Only 9 hours to go, where is all of the analysis guys? Just because we lost mr wiggles doesn't mean we can't look at clues ourselves. We gotta have something more to go on :/
Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
On February 03 2011 03:14 chaoser wrote: Also, the snow -> elements -> God of Thunder is kind of a stretch...in my opinion...does no one else think that's a stretch??
Yes. I'd consider you as I think there are two fairly decent connections. Raiden can be tied to every clue, not just the snow one.
It could just as well be Shann. It's hard to say, the clues are difficult. I want to lynch you or CubEdIn. Your play is actually scummy.
On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town.
On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town.
Or DrH and Cubed are both green or red which is still unlikely but it can happen.
In any case the best way to move forward today is if we lynch either of those 2. Like you also said, if Cubed does flip green then it's most likely that the other is red and in which Kenpachi is automatically solved as well.
So by going by this logic and my analysis of Cubed and DrH and the circumstances we're in I'm voting against Cubed.
I just think CubEdln is playing somewhat scummy and as we haven't got anything better to go on, I'm going to vote for him. If he flips green, well then, we know what course of action we should follow.
On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town.
It's not condescending. It is possible he's just green and playing badly. Being wrong wouldn't make me scum. Seems to me like you're doing 2 things:
a. avoiding my point about kenpachi. I responded to you calling my "defense" ridiculous (when it isn't really a defense at all) b. setting it up (if you are mafia and cubedin is not) so that when cubedin flips green you can push me for a lynch.
If I'm on the chopping block it's because I played scummily not because I thought someone was mafia and was wrong about that. What a retarded way to look at it.
On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town.
Or DrH and Cubed are both green or red which is still unlikely but it can happen.
In any case the best way to move forward today is if we lynch either of those 2. Like you also said, if Cubed does flip green then it's most likely that the other is red and in which Kenpachi is automatically solved as well.
So by going by this logic and my analysis of Cubed and DrH and the circumstances we're in I'm voting against Cubed.
##Vote CubEdIn
wtf these assumptions are terrible
why is it "unlikely" that both me and cubedin are green? that's stupid. why does knowing my alignment have anything to do with kenpachi? i don't really understand why anyone would think any of these things.
I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad.
On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town.
Or DrH and Cubed are both green or red which is still unlikely but it can happen.
In any case the best way to move forward today is if we lynch either of those 2. Like you also said, if Cubed does flip green then it's most likely that the other is red and in which Kenpachi is automatically solved as well.
So by going by this logic and my analysis of Cubed and DrH and the circumstances we're in I'm voting against Cubed.
##Vote CubEdIn
wtf these assumptions are terrible
why is it "unlikely" that both me and cubedin are green? that's stupid. why does knowing my alignment have anything to do with kenpachi? i don't really understand why anyone would think any of these things.
So by reading your reply it's smart to actually say that both of you are red? I don't know your role. Your discussion between Cubed and you might as well be a plot to make certain that one of you won't be suspected as mafia but there might as well be a scenario that that the clues point to someone else and you 2 are so concentrated on each other that people have missed the key theme of the clues of LSB hence 2 greens could also be possible.
As for knowing your alignment with Kenpachi it's simple. You agree that Kenpachi is awful as town with chaoser but I as non experienced player do not know this and neither does chaoser seeing upon his comments. You cannot base someone's role on his past because people can just as well use this to camouflage his role in the future. You can use this knowledge as mafia (if you were) and just say he's stupid and always acts like this.
Hence the reasoning of mine that Kenpachi is tied with your role. It doesn't mean it will be for certain but atleast for a high probability that what you think about Kenpachi is right if you are town. If you aren't town then everything you said/defended people means they're an ally of you.
Besides I didn't vote on you but the reaction on your part makes me think I should reconsider. But for now I'll stick with Cubed. You said it yourself. He isn't showing any signs of mafia and if you were you'd act to it but we don't know what your role is hence we cannot go by your words.
On February 03 2011 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote CubEdIn ##Vote Chaoser
I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad.
On February 03 2011 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote CubEdIn ##Vote Chaoser
I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad.
Lol so instead of sticking to the clues, you jump off the ship and vote for me. Typical mafia move. Why not see where the ship is going? You were so 100% sure Cubed was mafia before too. Panic much?
On February 02 2011 07:44 chaoser wrote: Then vote for me. Since you're so sure/think i'm mafia. Put your money where your mouth is.
Why would I vote for you when I'm more sure about CubEdIn? Cool defense.
I'll vote for you tomorrow.
So you basically go back on your whole campaign of Cubedin being mafia and want to lynch me even though the clues connect to either you or him? Nice try lol.
On February 03 2011 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote CubEdIn ##Vote Chaoser
I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad.
Lol so instead of sticking to the clues, you jump off the ship and vote for me. Typical mafia move. Why not see where the ship is going? You were so 100% sure Cubed was mafia before too. Panic much?
My vote for CubEdIn has nothing to do with clues. I also never said I was 100% sure. Why would I panic about lynching CubEdIn? I'm more confident about you.
My guess is that chaoser, DrH and kenpachi are all green. We did well voting based on clues day 1, no reason to vote based on thread analysis just yet. If cubedin ends up green, then we should start examining other options. I suspect that cubedin will turn up red though.
On February 02 2011 07:44 chaoser wrote: Then vote for me. Since you're so sure/think i'm mafia. Put your money where your mouth is.
Why would I vote for you when I'm more sure about CubEdIn? Cool defense.
I'll vote for you tomorrow.
So you basically go back on your whole campaign of Cubedin being mafia and want to lynch me even though the clues connect to either you or him? Nice try lol.
I connected them to you instead.
You criticize me for being "condescending" when you cover up real arguments with bullshit responses like this. Minds change. If I were to rank the three most likely mafia in order it would be:
you cubedin shann
That's how I currently feel and my vote will reflect that. Your posting behavior is much more worrying than CubEdIn so I'm voting for you. Like I've said many times post behavior >>>>> clues. I don't feel the clues are that strong on anyone. Actually they're probably strongest on Shann, Pandain had a good analysis.
But post behavior comes first.
You: 1. avoid direct arguments, ignoring posts where I explain what I'm thinking 2. create fake inconsistencies in my posts 3. repeat bullshit ideas like "either DrH or CubEdIn is red" which are devastating when used correctly by mafia 4. implying I had a "campaign" against CubEdIn. I went pretty soft on him. I didn't encourage others to vote for him and I was actually the last one to do so. I'm careful with bandwagons, don't give the impression that I'm playing recklessly.
On February 03 2011 05:16 darmousseh wrote: My guess is that chaoser, DrH and kenpachi are all green. We did well voting based on clues day 1, no reason to vote based on thread analysis just yet. If cubedin ends up green, then we should start examining other options. I suspect that cubedin will turn up red though.
That's your call. I'm ready to start the thread analysis and I place more faith in that than these clues.
Judging from his behavior so far, I feel like Cube is scummier than anybody else. The fact that he's tunneling DrH over clue interpretations that are ambiguous at best and outright ridiculous at worst without even taking behavior into account makes him appear desperate and unable to pull up anything resembling a concrete attack or defense.
I don't think chaoser disagreeing with drH over kenpachi is enough to call either of them scum. Neither of them have actually said anything outright wrong, it's just been difference of opinion. I'm willing to reconsider depending on how the argument develops, though.
I don't understand this. I get that you think I'm wrong about Dr.H. But you can't possibly think I'm SCUM.
What the hell, I mean coagulation or kenpachi "got away" with way scummier play than me <focusing> on some clues. I admit, I did focus on that. I admit, I STILL believe that the clues point to Dr.H. If you think I'm thick headed then fine. If you think that when Dr.H is scum he will act super-scummy, then you're dumber than you think I am.
You don't wanna lynch him, fine. But I'm town, don't waste a fking lynch on me. What are the goddamn reasons? He focused on some clues he found. He must be scum because the clues are unreasonable. Right.
I'll go back to my initial statement, this town deserves to lose. -_-
On February 03 2011 05:16 darmousseh wrote: My guess is that chaoser, DrH and kenpachi are all green. We did well voting based on clues day 1, no reason to vote based on thread analysis just yet. If cubedin ends up green, then we should start examining other options. I suspect that cubedin will turn up red though.
That's your call. I'm ready to start the thread analysis and I place more faith in that than these clues.
Please do start with post analysis, I really want to see what you come up with, unfortunately I'm terrible at it, but I'll do my best to make a competent analysis if it comes down to it.
However for now I still think that CubE should be hung just because of the information he will provide, along with the scumminess of his posts. Although the clue connection is kind of tenuous its the best we could come up with. (I do think he will probably flip red, in which case I don't think Dr.H is scum)
On February 03 2011 05:16 darmousseh wrote: My guess is that chaoser, DrH and kenpachi are all green. We did well voting based on clues day 1, no reason to vote based on thread analysis just yet. If cubedin ends up green, then we should start examining other options. I suspect that cubedin will turn up red though.
That's your call. I'm ready to start the thread analysis and I place more faith in that than these clues.
Please do start with post analysis, I really want to see what you come up with, unfortunately I'm terrible at it, but I'll do my best to make a competent analysis if it comes down to it.
However for now I still think that CubE should be hung just because of the information he will provide, along with the scumminess of his posts. Although the clue connection is kind of tenuous its the best we could come up with. (I do think he will probably flip red, in which case I don't think Dr.H is scum)
And if I flip green what information will you have?
How the fk is it unreasonable to tie: Music -> Thom Yorke Cards -> House of cards Steps in the snow -> 15 steps Apocalypse now -> Motion Picture Soundtrack
I understand. You're saying that the clues are "tenuous", but to go from that, to killing me because i'm OBVIOUSLY scum, is BAD town play. It just is. And, on the contrary to what you'll say afterwards "he played scummy", you'll know that it was a dumb move lynching me because of the way I tied clues to Dr.H. It doesn't matter if I was right or wrong.
It's not a dumb move...We get a lot of info from the lynch. The point of being town isn't to live, it's to help town win. You blame town for being stupid but you should blame yourself because you are inactive day one, you didn't even vote. If anything, you should be mod killed and issued a warning. Stop bitching if you're green and help the town.
Hmm LSB said the picture of day 2 is irrelevant. Does he mean the beethoven thing or the whole picture itself?
I kind of used the picture as evidence because it's a picture of an arcade game which links to Mortal Kombat (origin of MK is arcade which Raiden is a character from).
On February 03 2011 06:17 chaoser wrote: It's not a dumb move...We get a lot of info from the lynch. The point of being town isn't to live, it's to help town win. You blame town for being stupid but you should blame yourself because you are inactive day one, you didn't even vote. If anything, you should be mod killed and issued a warning. Stop bitching if you're green and help the town.
I already apologised for not being here day 1. Sorry if that's not good enough for you.
And you guys keep saying that you will get information if you lynch me, but what info will you get exactly? That I'm town? Super strong info imo.
If you mean that by lynching me, then you, you will eventually get to 5v2, that's not information, that's elimination. And I AM playing pro-town. I'm trying to keep you guys from wasting a lynch.
If you flip red, pretty sure mafia is just going to give up cause we're going to rape last one with clues.
If you're green, we get more clues on the remaining two mafia, we got a whole day of posting based around you. People's posts against you as well as for you can be analyzed. Most importantly, Dr. H and Kenpachi have been soft tied together and so they're going to be under the microscope.
Me too if you guys want but I don't think I've played all the scummy at all. I'll analyze Dr. H tomorrow when I get home if you guys want but I see a lot of contradictions in his actions/posts already.
On February 03 2011 06:46 chaoser wrote: Oops, I mean, right now we're at 7 to 2
if Cube flips green we'll be 5 to 2
if I get lynched we'll be at 3 to 2 (assuming I'm green)
I hope at THIS point, you guys lynch Kenpachi/Dr. H if both cubedin and I flip green.
So basically we gets 2 mess ups total. Also we will get a ton of information based on who gets killed at night. Also we have veterans (not sure how many). As long as we don't lynch veterans we will get 1 extra chance to find a red. Cubed hasn't claimed vet so I think he is the safest vote we can go with based on clues. If it doesn't work out and we can't find definitive clues tomorrow, then we should go with analysis.
On February 03 2011 06:17 chaoser wrote: It's not a dumb move...We get a lot of info from the lynch. The point of being town isn't to live, it's to help town win. You blame town for being stupid but you should blame yourself because you are inactive day one, you didn't even vote. If anything, you should be mod killed and issued a warning. Stop bitching if you're green and help the town.
He is helping the town. If he is green and honestly believes I am mafia then there is no reason for him not to tunnel vision on me and try to get me lynched. That's actually the right thing to do. I lost confidence in him being mafia because he seemed less interested in making himself look innocent than he did in making me look like mafia. That's pro-town play.
I look forward to reading the made up inconsistencies in my posting. Not that changing your mind is not the same as an inconsitency. A lot of players get criticized or called scummy for changing their minds and opinions and TL towns have to stop doing that.
The other thing we have to stop doing is "assume that if A flips green whoever accused him of being mafia is red" 99/100 times they're both green.
On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town.
Or DrH and Cubed are both green or red which is still unlikely but it can happen.
In any case the best way to move forward today is if we lynch either of those 2. Like you also said, if Cubed does flip green then it's most likely that the other is red and in which Kenpachi is automatically solved as well.
So by going by this logic and my analysis of Cubed and DrH and the circumstances we're in I'm voting against Cubed.
##Vote CubEdIn
wtf these assumptions are terrible
why is it "unlikely" that both me and cubedin are green? that's stupid. why does knowing my alignment have anything to do with kenpachi? i don't really understand why anyone would think any of these things.
So by reading your reply it's smart to actually say that both of you are red? I don't know your role. Your discussion between Cubed and you might as well be a plot to make certain that one of you won't be suspected as mafia but there might as well be a scenario that that the clues point to someone else and you 2 are so concentrated on each other that people have missed the key theme of the clues of LSB hence 2 greens could also be possible.
As for knowing your alignment with Kenpachi it's simple. You agree that Kenpachi is awful as town with chaoser but I as non experienced player do not know this and neither does chaoser seeing upon his comments. You cannot base someone's role on his past because people can just as well use this to camouflage his role in the future. You can use this knowledge as mafia (if you were) and just say he's stupid and always acts like this.
Hence the reasoning of mine that Kenpachi is tied with your role. It doesn't mean it will be for certain but atleast for a high probability that what you think about Kenpachi is right if you are town. If you aren't town then everything you said/defended people means they're an ally of you.
Besides I didn't vote on you but the reaction on your part makes me think I should reconsider. But for now I'll stick with Cubed. You said it yourself. He isn't showing any signs of mafia and if you were you'd act to it but we don't know what your role is hence we cannot go by your words.
Do you understand my reasoning now?
Alright I wanted to respond to this earlier but I had class. I'd like it if everyone carefully read this and thought about this (what I'm going to say.)
1. Yes, it is reasonable that both CubEdIn and myself are red. It's unlikely though. This means I already bussed Jackal and am now bussing CubEdIn. I like using the bus but that's just too risky. I like to play really risky styles as mafia but that's too much. It's not an impossibility. I am not "innocent" if CubEdIn is red. It looks good for me but it is not proof. The only proof is death in this game.
2. Yes you cannot base someones role on their past. That's my point. I'm saying Kenpachi's posts are not "pro-town" or "pro-scum". I can not read them at all. They're inconclusive. Let's look at the most obvious example of bad play, NB.
In every game as town NB contributes nothing to the discussion. He just asks questions, says "oh im gonna read this and put my thoughts later ok" and things like this. This looks wishy washy, like he's making excuses for inactivity. He does this as town because he is bad, doesn't or can't analyse posts, etc.
In every game as mafia NB does the exact same thing. While it is very noticeable when Ace contributes bad/fake analysis, distracts town, acts wishy washy, jumps on easy bandwagons it isn't the same for Kenpachi. Kenpachi will do that as town and he will do it as mafia. My opinion on his posts is inconclusive. I don't want to lynch him because it's just a coinflip.
The other idea is that if Chaoser says "Player X is really scummy" and I say "No they aren't" then that is the same as a scum defense. That isn't a very strong connection to him. Town players defend other town players constantly and that sort of thing is only worth talking about after the fact.
If Chaoser defends others, I don't really care until he's dead and i know his role. If he's mafia THEN that becomes important.
But I really don't know what to say. I keep saying it but no one listens. There is little point in analysing kenpachi's post behavior right now because this is how he plays across the board early on in the game. Look at him in Salem Mafia Day 2 or Pokemafia. It's the same shit and he was town both times. Maybe some of the behaviors are "scummy" when applied to a large player group but they don't really apply to him. That's just the way it is. Until clues point at him, I wouldn't even consider lynching him. Because post analysis is LOST on players like Kenpachi and Coagulation and NB. We got Coag in Insane Mafia because he was DT checked. Then I was able to figure out Pandain was mafia too but town let him live for some reason.
Also this is not true that mafia only defend mafia. Honestly, it's most common that mafia IGNORE other mafia completely. Or even attack other mafia aggressively to stage disagreement. I see mafia attackin eachother or ignoring eachother more often than I see them defending.
Go read my Experimental Mini Mafia game to see that happen. Read Salem Mafia early game and see how mafia just avoid talking to each other altogether and never refer to eachother by name in posts. It is extremely rare that you see this kind of early comradarie. If Kenpachi was mafia and I was mafia it would be retarded for him to come forth with this worship of me calling me his favorite poster or whatever.
It would be smart if he was mafia/i'm town, since if he died the remaining mafia could push suspicion on me easily. Mafia are looking for opportunities to turn a bad lynch into a worse one or a good lynch into one that hurts the town. Mafia defend and attach themselves to townies to throw off direction in the case of a lynch. All that speculation you and chaoser are doing is pure pure WIFOM. It has nothing to do with goals, with contributions, or anything that matters.
Kenpachi is, unfortunately, exempt from that kind of analysis because he doesn't contribute anything even if he is town and just spams mindlessly. That's the player that Kenpachi is and ignoring that is gonna result in another easy green lynch for the mafia. That's just the way it is. Has anyone else played in a game where town lynched green Kenpachi because he posted the same sort of things? Am I the only one with any sort of memory? It seems to me like Chaosers memory is built around supporting his case which is scummy.
On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1.
there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town.
Or DrH and Cubed are both green or red which is still unlikely but it can happen.
In any case the best way to move forward today is if we lynch either of those 2. Like you also said, if Cubed does flip green then it's most likely that the other is red and in which Kenpachi is automatically solved as well.
So by going by this logic and my analysis of Cubed and DrH and the circumstances we're in I'm voting against Cubed.
##Vote CubEdIn
wtf these assumptions are terrible
why is it "unlikely" that both me and cubedin are green? that's stupid. why does knowing my alignment have anything to do with kenpachi? i don't really understand why anyone would think any of these things.
So by reading your reply it's smart to actually say that both of you are red? I don't know your role. Your discussion between Cubed and you might as well be a plot to make certain that one of you won't be suspected as mafia but there might as well be a scenario that that the clues point to someone else and you 2 are so concentrated on each other that people have missed the key theme of the clues of LSB hence 2 greens could also be possible.
As for knowing your alignment with Kenpachi it's simple. You agree that Kenpachi is awful as town with chaoser but I as non experienced player do not know this and neither does chaoser seeing upon his comments. You cannot base someone's role on his past because people can just as well use this to camouflage his role in the future. You can use this knowledge as mafia (if you were) and just say he's stupid and always acts like this.
Hence the reasoning of mine that Kenpachi is tied with your role. It doesn't mean it will be for certain but atleast for a high probability that what you think about Kenpachi is right if you are town. If you aren't town then everything you said/defended people means they're an ally of you.
Besides I didn't vote on you but the reaction on your part makes me think I should reconsider. But for now I'll stick with Cubed. You said it yourself. He isn't showing any signs of mafia and if you were you'd act to it but we don't know what your role is hence we cannot go by your words.
Do you understand my reasoning now?
Alright I wanted to respond to this earlier but I had class. I'd like it if everyone carefully read this and thought about this (what I'm going to say.)
1. Yes, it is reasonable that both CubEdIn and myself are red. It's unlikely though. This means I already bussed Jackal and am now bussing CubEdIn. I like using the bus but that's just too risky. I like to play really risky styles as mafia but that's too much. It's not an impossibility. I am not "innocent" if CubEdIn is red. It looks good for me but it is not proof. The only proof is death in this game.
2. Yes you cannot base someones role on their past. That's my point. I'm saying Kenpachi's posts are not "pro-town" or "pro-scum". I can not read them at all. They're inconclusive. Let's look at the most obvious example of bad play, NB.
In every game as town NB contributes nothing to the discussion. He just asks questions, says "oh im gonna read this and put my thoughts later ok" and things like this. This looks wishy washy, like he's making excuses for inactivity. He does this as town because he is bad, doesn't or can't analyse posts, etc.
In every game as mafia NB does the exact same thing. While it is very noticeable when Ace contributes bad/fake analysis, distracts town, acts wishy washy, jumps on easy bandwagons it isn't the same for Kenpachi. Kenpachi will do that as town and he will do it as mafia. My opinion on his posts is inconclusive. I don't want to lynch him because it's just a coinflip.
The other idea is that if Chaoser says "Player X is really scummy" and I say "No they aren't" then that is the same as a scum defense. That isn't a very strong connection to him. Town players defend other town players constantly and that sort of thing is only worth talking about after the fact.
If Chaoser defends others, I don't really care until he's dead and i know his role. If he's mafia THEN that becomes important.
But I really don't know what to say. I keep saying it but no one listens. There is little point in analysing kenpachi's post behavior right now because this is how he plays across the board early on in the game. Look at him in Salem Mafia Day 2 or Pokemafia. It's the same shit and he was town both times. Maybe some of the behaviors are "scummy" when applied to a large player group but they don't really apply to him. That's just the way it is. Until clues point at him, I wouldn't even consider lynching him. Because post analysis is LOST on players like Kenpachi and Coagulation and NB. We got Coag in Insane Mafia because he was DT checked. Then I was able to figure out Pandain was mafia too but town let him live for some reason.
Also this is not true that mafia only defend mafia. Honestly, it's most common that mafia IGNORE other mafia completely. Or even attack other mafia aggressively to stage disagreement. I see mafia attackin eachother or ignoring eachother more often than I see them defending.
Go read my Experimental Mini Mafia game to see that happen. Read Salem Mafia early game and see how mafia just avoid talking to each other altogether and never refer to eachother by name in posts. It is extremely rare that you see this kind of early comradarie. If Kenpachi was mafia and I was mafia it would be retarded for him to come forth with this worship of me calling me his favorite poster or whatever.
It would be smart if he was mafia/i'm town, since if he died the remaining mafia could push suspicion on me easily. Mafia are looking for opportunities to turn a bad lynch into a worse one or a good lynch into one that hurts the town. Mafia defend and attach themselves to townies to throw off direction in the case of a lynch. All that speculation you and chaoser are doing is pure pure WIFOM. It has nothing to do with goals, with contributions, or anything that matters.
Kenpachi is, unfortunately, exempt from that kind of analysis because he doesn't contribute anything even if he is town and just spams mindlessly. That's the player that Kenpachi is and ignoring that is gonna result in another easy green lynch for the mafia. That's just the way it is. Has anyone else played in a game where town lynched green Kenpachi because he posted the same sort of things? Am I the only one with any sort of memory? It seems to me like Chaosers memory is built around supporting his case which is scummy.
Yes I know what you're getting at. I am ignoring Kenpachi. I'm going with clues now and that's Cubed. You still think Cubed is mafia just basing on clues?
You changed your mind based off of chaoser's post behavior which is fine by me. You have the experience to do that but I don't. So I can't trust either of you what both of you're saying. I can only continue where I was which is basing my opinion by clues and if I make a mistake I'll have to correct myself next time to learn from that.
Chaoser's play does seem scummy now. He has voted for Cubed while at first he went for Kenpachi. He might be just joining the bandwagon to avoid suspicion combined with the fact that he said if cube flips green then flip me which makes it WIFOM if cube flips red it would make Chaoser seem green which is still not conclusive like you pointed out which is where the danger lies atm.
Especially when I said if Cubed is red then you and Kenpachi are green and the other way around too and he switched votes after that which makes me think that if Cubed is red then Chaoser needs to get analyzed more because of his previous actions and post behavior.
In any case we'll only know what Cubed is which will be conclusive and the rest not. So any statements about X is red then Y is not etc will have to be ignored by everyone.
Chaoser's play does seem scummy now. He has voted for Cubed while at first he went for Kenpachi. He might be just joining the bandwagon to avoid suspicion combined with the fact that he said if cube flips green then flip me which makes it WIFOM if cube flips red it would make Chaoser seem green which is still not conclusive like you pointed out which is where the danger lies atm.
If Cubedin is red then mafia will have already lost. If i was mafia I'd just give up. Two mafia down on the first two days with more clues along the way? GG. If Cubedin is green, which I think he is, then we get info. How you use that info is up to you. I'm not bandwagoning anything, He was pretty much going to be lynched anyway. I just agreed with your logic that he should be lynched today and that should be the focus of the day. I was going to go on more about Kenpachi but your post on how we'll find out more made me switch on to Kenpachi. i'm merely making my vote the same as what I think/say. If I was mafia, why would I need to switch from anything besides red to green? You don't need to think i'm green at all. you just need to see that Dr. H pushed hard for the cubedin lynch and then switched last minute to me for no reason, he doesn't have a great puch for me, he doesn't try to convince others to vote for me even though i'm "more scummy now than Cubedin". How does that make sense?
On February 03 2011 11:44 shannn wrote: Everyone voted.
Everyone except kenpachi(chaoser)/cubed(drh)/drh(chaoser) voted for cubed.
I voted for Cubedin, don't know what you're talking about. I voted for Kenpachi before and I still think he's mafia but getting cubedin lynched gives town info to help them make the decision/see that kenpachi/drh is mafia so I voted for him.
On February 03 2011 11:44 shannn wrote: Everyone voted.
Everyone except kenpachi(chaoser)/cubed(drh)/drh(chaoser) voted for cubed.
I voted for Cubedin, don't know what you're talking about. I voted for Kenpachi before and I still think he's mafia but getting cubedin lynched gives town info to help them make the decision/see that kenpachi/drh is mafia so I voted for him.
You fail to read chaoser. Your name mentioned there in my post means those guys voted on you.
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. .
???? U posted once after the game started talking about how clues could relate to Raiden. + Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2011 21:59 CubEdIn wrote: Hi everyone.
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are: - loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall - uses his sword and that's about it - is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch - has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general. Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
Will be back in the evening for more hunting.
Sort of lethargic here, I'll try to post an analysis on Cubed in shortly. Originally I thought he was town, but looking over his posts his play reminds me of mine in Insane mafia, where even if my logic was pretty bad I would stick to it.
What happened to this Pandain? You didn't even vote. Saying it's lethargic here and not contributing yourself. Where's your usual FoSing self??
On February 03 2011 11:44 shannn wrote: Everyone voted.
Everyone except kenpachi(chaoser)/cubed(drh)/drh(chaoser) voted for cubed.
I voted for Cubedin, don't know what you're talking about. I voted for Kenpachi before and I still think he's mafia but getting cubedin lynched gives town info to help them make the decision/see that kenpachi/drh is mafia so I voted for him.
You fail to read chaoser. Your name mentioned there in my post means those guys voted on you.
ah, my bad, read it wrong. And pandain didn't vote at all.
On February 03 2011 11:44 shannn wrote: Everyone voted.
Everyone except kenpachi(chaoser)/cubed(drh)/drh(chaoser) voted for cubed.
I voted for Cubedin, don't know what you're talking about. I voted for Kenpachi before and I still think he's mafia but getting cubedin lynched gives town info to help them make the decision/see that kenpachi/drh is mafia so I voted for him.
You fail to read chaoser. Your name mentioned there in my post means those guys voted on you.
ah, my bad, read it wrong. And pandain didn't vote at all.
While the cause of death in "Catcher" is leukemia, here it is due to an unspecified heart condition.
I'm only putting these up in case I get killed tonight :p. I will be adding further clues as I find them. I think analyzing these people's posts would be good too. Pandain has barely contributed and it's possible pic #3 are bear tracks.
On February 03 2011 14:00 darmousseh wrote: Do you think you could update the OP to list those who are alive and dead I accidently spent like 10 minutes analyzing catch-22 :p
just wanna plug if anyone likes the movie "battle royale" or the book and wants to cohost a game based on that with me, PM me. (not using mafia rulesets)
There are no clues in this post Immediately I called 911, to try to get help for LSB. An ambulance pulled out, and a pretty nurse rushed over.
And then Koryanne was promptly shot dead by the mafia.
LSB is still on the ground twitching. Looks like he can’t help us with the clues The investigator then told me something. Apparently there is this mystical man named BloodyCobbler who can tell 100% who the mafia is.
The thing is, in order for BloodyCobbler to do his magic, he needs special information.
We need to figure out how to send our 7 messengers to give BloodyCobbler his information Welcome to the puzzle stage! Here are the rules. Treat all bulleted text as blue text
Today is different. Day 3 will be 72 hours long. 48 of the hours will be put forth into submitting a plan. By the end of the day, all players must vote for the plan to follow. Afterwards, I will reveal a name and you have 24 hours to decide who to lynch
The police station has 5 message pieces. A, B, C, D, E, and each Player will act as a messenger picking which message pieces to send to the mafia.
As per intelligence standards, no two messengers can carry all 5 pieces.
Mafia will be able to corrupt the messages they send.
If BloodyCobbler receives an equal or greater amount of corrupt messages of a certain message piece than uncorrupt messages, he will produce an inaccurate result. (For example, if there is one mafia "E" piece, and one town "E" piece, the message will be corrupted)
Plans will be produced by a player. Plans must look like this.
==LSB Plan Proposal== chaoser- A darmousseh- BC GMarshal- C shannn- D Node- E DoctorHelvetica- E Kenpachi- BCD
NOTE: Only the most recently submitted plan by a player will be used.
To vote for a plan, you simply do ###Vote:LSB. The plan with the most votes will be put forward.
Pandain was shot last night and is recovering from his injuries. He is barred from sending messages
You will not know which results were corrupted. All you will know is BloodyCobbler's final message. If everything goes right, BloodyCobbler will name a Mafia. If corruption occurred, BloodyCobbler will name a town.
If you do not wish the town to participate, you may vote ##Override Game. Upon majority this will revert the town back to normal mafia.
Korryane the Nurse is dead You have 48 hours before plan votes are due. Be warned. I do know a few ways to try to exploit this process, and I have taken countermeasures.
DoctorHelvetica: ADC Node: DE darmousseh: CE chaoser: D GMarshal: E Kenpachi: B Shann: C
Thought about this for a while and this is what I've come up with.
Will voting for "override town" give us a clue? Or will we be forced to continue on with no clues? This plan is really risky. It can be so easily corrupted and that will lead us to a bad lynch. That's LYLO unless the mafia miss another hit.
On February 04 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Will voting for "override town" give us a clue? Or will we be forced to continue on with no clues? This plan is really risky. It can be so easily corrupted and that will lead us to a bad lynch. That's LYLO unless the mafia miss another hit.
Darmousseh and node are almost certainly town. I strongly believe Chaoser is mafia. I think his teammate is either GMarshal or Shann although it's more likely to be shann. Let me revise my plan.
DoctorHelvetica: ACD Node: ACB darmousseh: EDB chaoser: D Gmarshal: B Kenpachi: A Shann: C
This gives Gmarshal/Kenpachi/Shann/Chaoser who I am unsure of no power of corruption whatsoever.
I say we override this and just lynch Chaoser now though. If I'm wrong and darmousseh played me then we're really screwed.
On February 04 2011 11:37 Kenpachi wrote: so wait, we all submit a bunch of letters and if there are more town entries per letter, the message isnt corrupt?
Also to DrH, if you were mafia, would that plan give us a townie?
Not necessarily. There are two occurences of each letter I have amongst others. But if I were mafia obviously I would set it up so the message gets corrupted by giving a teammate either A, C, or D.
At least my somewhat plan worked, being inactive so they would think I was blue. On the other hand, maybe they shot me cause I was on to something.
However, this is actually a great oppurtunity. If we, for example, make the deciding result in who gives the mail, and from the result BC gives us, that will reveal the alignment of the player we decide. It's a bit confusing, so I'll explain.
For example, if we gave Darmossoh(who I agree is town), AB and Kenpachi CDE, then from there we can find out the alignment of kenpachi based on whether the result we get is accurate or not.
I'm sure there are better ways to do that, such as making sure so we can decide "Well from this we can tell either(just examples) darmossoh and kenpachi are town, or Gmarshal and Node are mafia." or somethign like that.
I think we could all agree on Darmousseh being townie. Noone (cept me) had doubts on him and i dont think hes mafia either anymore. We can have Darmousseh submit the best and latest plan for town and lynch our name. Then we will devise a way to lynch the most suspicious person from the messages submitted. How we will do that, i dont know.
I like this plan. If we get a negative result, it means out of a combination of Gmarshall, chaoser, and shann, two are mafia. If it is a positive result, then we know FOR SURE that Kenpachi is mafia, unless either DocH or node are mafia.
I haven't analyzed node/dr. h to be honest, but as of right now I don't believe they are. For the time I think they are town but its time to start analyzing now that I can really be more active.
On February 04 2011 12:18 Pandain wrote: Here: Dmosh: A Chaoser: BC Gmarshal: DE
Here we have one almost confirmed town, and two suspicious players.
Either we shall get a confirmed lynch, or we will have a guranteed lynch for the next two days.
Let's just play safe me thinks, kk?
That's too dangerous. If any part of the message is corrupt then we get a townie result. So only 1 of those 3 have to be mafia for that to happen. So it doesn't give us guaranteed anything.
On February 04 2011 12:18 Pandain wrote: Here: Dmosh: A Chaoser: BC Gmarshal: DE
Here we have one almost confirmed town, and two suspicious players.
Either we shall get a confirmed lynch, or we will have a guranteed lynch for the next two days.
Let's just play safe me thinks, kk?
That's too dangerous. If any part of the message is corrupt then we get a townie result. So only 1 of those 3 have to be mafia for that to happen. So it doesn't give us guaranteed anything.
On February 04 2011 12:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Doesn't everyone have to send a message? If not then I propose
Myself: AB Node: CD Darmousseh: E
This sounds good to me if not every has to give a message. If everyone does have to give a message then I'm looking at other methods, but the best plan i can come up with has a 60% chance of success by default and a 75% chance of success if node and DrH are both townies. We can also separate people whom we suspect are colluding together to increase the odds even more.
That plan is Myself ABC Node D DrH E
Randomly assign D to 2 others and E to the other 2.
The premuation to figure out the percentages is below.
M is for Mafia, T is for townie M D D D D D D D D D D E E E E E E E E E E M D D D D E E E E E E D D D D D D E E E E T D E E E D D D E E E D D D E E E D D D E T E D E E D E E D D E D E E D D E D D E D T E E D E E D E D E D E D E D E D D E D D T E E E D E E D E D D E E D E D D E D D D
If both of us are townies then we get the name of a mafia and lynch.
If node is by chance mafia, then D will be corrupt which will lead to a townie. We lynch that person and find hes townie and then lynch node next day.
If i'm mafia (which i'm not, but for the purpose of the plan) then the clues will be corrupt and we end up lynching the townie and node and finally myself.
If both of us are mafia then town wins! after lynching the townie on the first night.
In all 3 cases we discover at least 1 mafia and lose at most 2 townies (if i'm lying).
I think this is definitely the best plan since we get 100% guaranteed information.
On February 04 2011 13:40 LSB wrote: Because there exists a solution that would result in instant town win, I will add in a rule.
"In order for Bloodycobbler to be able to accept a clue, there must be at least 3 messengers sending in a message" (Note the messages can be corrupted/uncorrupted. So 2 townies, and 1 mafia sending a message would be fine)
Dangit LSB I spent like 15 minutes figuring out the perfect plan lol.
On February 04 2011 13:40 LSB wrote: Because there exists a solution that would result in instant town win, I will add in a rule.
"In order for Bloodycobbler to be able to accept a clue, there must be at least 3 messengers sending in a message" (Note the messages can be corrupted/uncorrupted. So 2 townies, and 1 mafia sending a message would be fine)
Dangit LSB I spent like 15 minutes figuring out the perfect plan lol.
Ok i think i found the counter, there are a lot of scenarios so please bear through it.
Me townie Node townie
Person picked is one of the 5: Lynch => mafia.
Me townie Node Mafia
Person picked is one of 5: lynch => green, then lynch node
Person picked is me, lynch node
Me mafia Node townie
Person picked is one of 5, lynch => green, lynch node => green, lynch me
Person picked is node, lynch => me
Me mafia Node mafia
Person picked is one of 5, lynch => green, lynch node => red, lynch me
In general
If the person flipped is me or node then lynch node and then lynch me (if neccesary) If the person flipped is someone else then lynch that person, if that person is green then lynch me and node. (at least one green)
The worst possible outcome is 4 town 1 mafia. (minus night kill) The best possible outcome is 6 town 1 mafia.
Since I am town this means
Worst possible outcome 5 town 1 mafia Best possible outcome 6 town 1 mafia
This would be a volunteer job node, if you are mafia you will get yourself killed, otherwise you will help us find a mafia
If he is going to let us go with this plan that's fine with me
Oh and I just realized the counter. The counter plan would be changing the plan at the last second, but if I did that it would be obvious I was scum. Vote for the perfect plan!
On February 04 2011 15:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alright.
##Vote: darmousseh
If you played us witht he Pandain accusation you deserve an award. Really subtle mafia play if so.
I have no idea about pandain now, since he was hit then he's either a vet or a green with a medic or the mafia is trying to confuse us all by somehow getting the medic to protect him while hitting themselves. That would be amazing if true.
I really thought I had something solid when I found all the clues with the word heart in it. Now I'm not so sure :/
Alright guys this plan is 100% solid though. I've been trying to think of a way to corrupt it, but I can't think of any. If you find any holes please say them.
So if I understand this right. The end result will reveal a name but we don't know what side he is on right? So if you pair him up to another person you'll know what the other side is too?
This is so confusing lol.
I don't get at the part of darmousseh what happens when both are town. From my understanding it's if no corruption means we'll get a mafia name? Else we get a townie name and then we figure out what the other is after we lynch the townie?
On February 04 2011 16:43 shannn wrote: I don't get all of this puzzle mafia thing lol.
So if I understand this right. The end result will reveal a name but we don't know what side he is on right? So if you pair him up to another person you'll know what the other side is too?
This is so confusing lol.
I don't get at the part of darmousseh what happens when both are town. From my understanding it's if no corruption means we'll get a mafia name? Else we get a townie name and then we figure out what the other is after we lynch the townie?
Basically we need to get 5 messages to the person. As long as we send the 5 messages uncorrupted, we will get the name of a mafia player. If one of the messages is corrupted, then we will get the name of a townie (we won't know that the message is corrupt). In order to corrupt a message, there have to be at least as many mafia or more sending that message.
So in my plan, if node is mafia, then message D will be corrupt which will cause the name revealed to point to a townie since the # of mafia giving the message (1) is greater than the # of townies giving the message (0).
My plan works based on the logic of the puzzle. In any scenario we will get the name of 1 mafia. I am town and if node is town then messages A B and D will be good. Message C will also be good since everyone is sending message C and message E will be good since we have 5 people sending it and there are at most 2 mafia in the game. This means we will get the name of a mafia whom we can lynch.
You can read about the other scenarios in the post above. Ask if you have more questions.
I think I understand the plan finally. That does sound bullet proof as far as I can tell. But my only question is why would you not use 2 big suspects instead of you and node? This way we'll find out faster who is mafia or not right?
I'll go with your plan unless someone finds a hole in that plan.
Oh never mind. Its better to pick 2 most likely town members because then you'll get a mafia name right away but when you lynch that person and he isn't mafia then we get you or node as mafia right?
Yea I like that plan of yours darmousseh. At worst case scenario we'll lose 2 townies to get 1 mafia at the least or at the best case possible mafia right away.
I will volunteer to prove I'm town so I can go instead of node if you want. Because I'm sure you're town and I'm town 100% this would mean when we get a name that person should be 100% mafia. If he isn't mafia then lynch me first to prove that I'm town and you're mafia in that case.
On February 04 2011 17:12 shannn wrote: Oh never mind. Its better to pick 2 most likely town members because then you'll get a mafia name right away but when you lynch that person and he isn't mafia then we get you or node as mafia right?
Correct. Darmousseh wouldn't throw himself under the bus like that so the rational response is to lynch Node.
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote: Why not just do something like this? Dmosh-ABC Chaoser: D Node: E.
No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something.
Because if one of us is mafia, the thing is corrupt. And we have no idea who's the mafia. His plan is pretty much perfect.
Also, everyone has to send a message I think, you can't just only use 3 people.
Let's say I'm mafia, The thing would be corrupt and since I'm suspected, everyone would lynch me. congrats.
Let's say Node is mafia, the thing would be corrupt and since I'm suspected, everyone would lynch me and then be confused.
Same with Dmosh. As long as mafia hold a piece of the msg that is equal to or greater than the amount of townies holding that same piece, then the msg gets corrupted.
Not that any of this matters since everyone has to hold a piece anyway and in yours only three people do.
Chaoser is right and message will only be corrupt when the mafia and town are equal or when mafia members are more than the town holding the message.
So if 1 mafia and 1 town has both the same message. This message would be corrupt. If there is 1 mafia and 2 town with same message this message would not be corrupt.
Darmousseh's plan basically guaranteeds a mafia lynch within 3 days at worst (if darmousseh is mafia else it's within 2 days).
His plan needs 1 sacrifice as a backup plan. You need 2 most likely town members to have a direct mafia lynch. If someone thinks he's town he should volunteer with darmousseh making it a guarantee that we get 1 mafia lynch AND we know that the 2 volunteers will be town 100%. This results in mafia able to kill them at night but we'll lynch 1 mafia right away making it a 6-1 situation which is the perfect result for town and at worst case scenario a 4-2 situation at night 3 going 4-1 at day 4.
Darmousseh's plan is the best one so far and as far as I can see no hole in it's plan. So everyone not voting is already an indication of being mafia or just really stupid townie. Mafia voting for darmousseh's plan means they'll get lynched within a day or 2 so it's a win/win for town.
oh and if there is 2 town holding the same message means no corrupted message and when there are no corrupted messages you get a mafia name to explain the above.
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote: Why not just do something like this? Dmosh-ABC Chaoser: D Node: E.
No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something.
By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less.
There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet]
Darmousseh ABC Node D Everyone else E
Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it).
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote: Why not just do something like this? Dmosh-ABC Chaoser: D Node: E.
No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something.
By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less.
There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet]
Darmousseh ABC Node D Everyone else E
Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it).
As much as you think that's bulletproof there's still the possibility even though it's unlikely at this point that you're mafia. I'm not saying you are but just pointing out that your plan isn't 100% foolproof for town. You might as well be mafia and then we're lynching 2 townies untill we discover that you're mafia and then we don't have any connection to the other mafia if you were.
Seems like mafia's best bet to get as less harmfull of this ridiculous good plan. By stalling enough time for town to discover mafia members as late as possible. My scenario above is highly unlikely but just pointing the possible scenario of your plan for you
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote: Why not just do something like this? Dmosh-ABC Chaoser: D Node: E.
No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something.
By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less.
There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet]
Darmousseh ABC Node D Everyone else E
Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it).
As much as you think that's bulletproof there's still the possibility even though it's unlikely at this point that you're mafia. I'm not saying you are but just pointing out that your plan isn't 100% foolproof for town. You might as well be mafia and then we're lynching 2 townies untill we discover that you're mafia and then we don't have any connection to the other mafia if you were.
Seems like mafia's best bet to get as less harmfull of this ridiculous good plan. By stalling enough time for town to discover mafia members as late as possible. My scenario above is highly unlikely but just pointing the possible scenario of your plan for you
Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it.
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote: Why not just do something like this? Dmosh-ABC Chaoser: D Node: E.
No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something.
By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less.
There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet]
Darmousseh ABC Node D Everyone else E
Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it).
As much as you think that's bulletproof there's still the possibility even though it's unlikely at this point that you're mafia. I'm not saying you are but just pointing out that your plan isn't 100% foolproof for town. You might as well be mafia and then we're lynching 2 townies untill we discover that you're mafia and then we don't have any connection to the other mafia if you were.
Seems like mafia's best bet to get as less harmfull of this ridiculous good plan. By stalling enough time for town to discover mafia members as late as possible. My scenario above is highly unlikely but just pointing the possible scenario of your plan for you
Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it.
We don't know who the mafia are thus we cannot judge how good they are. CubedIn who was lynched as town should prove you this. Mafia has to come up with this plan before town because simply if they don't they'll lose the game almost 99% for sure. By coming up with this plan then they'll avoid getting both of their mafia members to get lynched and in the process hurt town a lot.
It's a matter of trust at this point of the plan. Can people trust someone who could be a potential mafia even though it's highly unlikely?
This puzzle is a game of damage control. Both sides will have to make a sacrifice in order to do huge damage to the other side. I will still stand by your plan as no one has come up with any better.
I'm pointing out the possible scenario's how the mafia could think. I volunteer myself in combination with you as this would be a good indication for town who could be mafia as I can assume almost everyone would think I'm mafia at this point (except mafia) when you judge on the day 2 clues and everyone thinks you're town. I'm volunteering now because this puzzle can end the game in town's favor very fast if I don't volunteer as sacrificial lamb.
Mafia can only resist of having me as a volunteer because then there's the possibility that they'll get revealed in doing so. They used me as a cover which I allowed them to do so in this game because I as Q fit the clues very well but not as the best. By denying this option for mafia and in combination of this puzzle it will reveal 2 mafia players in the best case possible or 1 in the worst case.
What I only want now from people is to write down the possible suspects they have of being mafia in combination of day 2 clues and post behavior.
I can already tell there's going to be either 3 or 4 people on their lists of suspects. When you have 3 or 4 people (with me 100% guaranteed on the list) then out of the remaining 2 or 3 people there's going to be 2 mafia assuming I'm town.
A good reason for me to be a volunteer if darmousseh is town which I'm quite sure of (but not entirely).
With this we can get 2 straight mafia lynches if darmousseh is town and if people can trust me of being town and let me volunteer. If I weren't town then I'm going to get lynched after 1 day anyways which is not optimal at all.
It wouldn't be optimal if I were mafia to volunteer and get lynched after day 1. It would be most optimal if I were last of the line. The more reasoning for town to trust me on my word and if it does happen we lynch green then darmousseh and me are going to be lynched anyways. Which is a sure win for town in this case.
We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.
On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.
On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.
What do u mean with original plan? Darmousseh's plan is the same concept. Take 2 people and lynch the name we get from BC. The scenario's that comes out of it is the same from the plan he posted previous page.
The original plan will still get the same results.
On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.
What do u mean with original plan? Darmousseh's plan is the same concept. Take 2 people and lynch the name we get from BC. The scenario's that comes out of it is the same from the plan he posted previous page.
The original plan will still get the same results.
The will produce identical results. Just keep me and node as the two highest possible townies and go from there. I already voted so lets do it.
On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.
What do u mean with original plan? Darmousseh's plan is the same concept. Take 2 people and lynch the name we get from BC. The scenario's that comes out of it is the same from the plan he posted previous page.
The original plan will still get the same results.
The will produce identical results. Just keep me and node as the two highest possible townies and go from there. I already voted so lets do it.
Ok I'm fine with that if you want to. I volunteered because having me as sacrificial lamb it would lead town to 1 mafia member and we'd narrow down the possible mafia members.
By not having me as a sacrificial lamb. Town will still going to suspect me of being mafia and mafia can just go along with this. I'm just thinking ahead of mafia here. As long as I'm still a big suspect they won't kill me off at night as well to make sure town will suspect me till the end of the game.
I've made my move now and people decide what they want. Just going to warn you all that we'd lose the game this way.
I like darmousseh's plan, I like it alot, unless someone comes up with something absolutely brilliant then I believe we now stand a strong chance of winning. I'm willing to go with
Sorry for being out lately, it's been hell week from hell at class. Here are my thoughts on darmousseh's plans:
On February 05 2011 02:51 darmousseh wrote: Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it.
Put simply, this isn't true. The absolute best-case scenario for mafia is that you are mafia. Under either of your plans, the message would be corrupt and a townie will be lynched. The next day would be LYLO. (4 town vs 2 mafia, 2 vs 2 the next day if we mislynch) The town seems to agree that I would be the first to be lynched, and of course I'm going to say right now that that would be the wrong choice.
I'm willing to volunteer, as I do believe that darmousseh is town, and that there are far more pros than cons to this plan. It's just something to keep in mind in case this goes belly-up. I'm just worried that if we end up lynching a townie the plan will be followed to a T, and the game will be over then and there. Even in a game where puzzles produce seemingly clear answers, we still need to rely on analysis in the long run.
On February 05 2011 02:51 darmousseh wrote: Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it.
Put simply, this isn't true. The absolute best-case scenario for mafia is that you are mafia. Under either of your plans, the message would be corrupt and a townie will be lynched. The next day would be LYLO. (4 town vs 2 mafia, 2 vs 2 the next day if we mislynch) The town seems to agree that I would be the first to be lynched, and of course I'm going to say right now that that would be the wrong choice.
I'm willing to volunteer, as I do believe that darmousseh is town, and that there are far more pros than cons to this plan. It's just something to keep in mind in case this goes belly-up. I'm just worried that if we end up lynching a townie the plan will be followed to a T, and the game will be over then and there. Even in a game where puzzles produce seemingly clear answers, we still need to rely on analysis in the long run.
Here's hoping the mafia die tonight.
##Vote: darmousseh
Yes, I thought of this as well.
If darmousseh is mafia, this is a brilliant brilliant plan and in that case mafia probably deserve to win. But I'd volunteer myself for Darmousseh's spot if anyone is having similar worries. Although I know Chaoser and a few others probably are suspicious of me.
I propose we go with the plan as already formatted, I mean if there's anyone I believe to be town its node and darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but I'm not sure that you are town.
On February 05 2011 08:24 GMarshal wrote: I propose we go with the plan as already formatted, I mean if there's anyone I believe to be town its node and darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but I'm not sure that you are town.
On February 05 2011 11:34 shannn wrote: Ok so that's pretty much obvious lolol and already suspected. Wonder who the acomplice is.
##Vote Chaoser
It's you or kenpachi, in my honest opinion. If he flips town then I'd lynch darmousseh NOT node. I think that's unlikely though.
Yes I'm aware he attacked kenpachi yesterday.
Funny thing. I have you and Kenpachi still on my list. I would lynch darmousseh too if chaoser comes out as town but he was already being a bit scummy so I don't expect him to be town at all.
On February 05 2011 11:34 shannn wrote: Ok so that's pretty much obvious lolol and already suspected. Wonder who the acomplice is.
##Vote Chaoser
It's you or kenpachi, in my honest opinion. If he flips town then I'd lynch darmousseh NOT node. I think that's unlikely though.
Yes I'm aware he attacked kenpachi yesterday.
Funny thing. I have you and Kenpachi still on my list. I would lynch darmousseh too if chaoser comes out as town but he was already being a bit scummy so I don't expect him to be town at all.
well naturally you wouldn't suspect yourself. It'll be up to the day 3 clues to determine that :3
I mean, there's nothing smart about it. I said GL, I'm not going to argue against the lynch. It's in the best interest of the town to follow the plan and go from there, to deviate from the plan is to be confused and not learn anything. I'm just giving my final message and a heads up.
I protected Dr. H night one, couldn't decide against him and Wiggles, when I analyzed Kenpachi, I realized he was the one that hinted to medic to protect Dr.H so I was like hmmm, suspicious. Night two I protected Node cause he was one of the original that first spoke up about Jackal.
Don't counterclaim. I'm waiting on information that would confirm Chaoser. We could skip lynching him and just straight up lynch darmousseh instead. Depends on the information I get. Try to refrain from saying anything dumb/rash in the meantime. (meaning you kenpachi)
On February 05 2011 12:21 chaoser wrote: Man, Dr H really thinks I'm mafia =X. Be in for a surprise when I flip. Seriously trying to help town here lol.
I said I'm waiting on information that can confirm your story. I still think you're full of it but I trust the facts and if the facts fall the right way I want darmousseh dead and there will be good reason for that too.
No no, lynch me. I don't know how you could 100% confirm I'm medic but it's a bad idea I tihnk, go ahead with the plan and go for either Node or Darmousseh
On February 05 2011 12:23 chaoser wrote: No no, lynch me. I don't know how you could 100% confirm I'm medic but it's a bad idea I tihnk, go ahead with the plan and go for either Node or Darmousseh
If you don't know then don't say it's a bad idea just fucking wait.
Surprising. No need to discuss anything. Everyone who voted for chaoser should know that the first one mentioned will be lynched.
If Chaoser flips green then we'll deal with it. There's no point in arguing for anyone about this day's lynch. The deadline can't come fast enough tbh.
On February 05 2011 12:30 shannn wrote: Surprising. No need to discuss anything. Everyone who voted for chaoser should know that the first one mentioned will be lynched.
If Chaoser flips green then we'll deal with it. There's no point in arguing for anyone about this day's lynch. The deadline can't come fast enough tbh.
There is a situation that would almost 100% clear Chaoser. If that turns out then we can avoid a probably innocent lynch. Have some faith.
I think he's lying to cause second thoughts but he could be sincere. We'll see.
On February 05 2011 12:30 shannn wrote: Surprising. No need to discuss anything. Everyone who voted for chaoser should know that the first one mentioned will be lynched.
If Chaoser flips green then we'll deal with it. There's no point in arguing for anyone about this day's lynch. The deadline can't come fast enough tbh.
There is a situation that would almost 100% clear Chaoser. If that turns out then we can avoid a probably innocent lynch. Have some faith.
I think he's lying to cause second thoughts but he could be sincere. We'll see.
On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.
If chaoser isn't mafia then lynch darmousseh after for thinking it up and volunteering node. Either way we're going to get a mafia.
Only downfall for this is if node is mafia. That would be mind blowing.
On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote: GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic.
Why the heck would a medic ever claim being a medic if they were about to be lynched? That would be giving the mafia information and free reign to kill whomever they please with fear of being blocked by the medic. If you are really the medic then claiming to be medic is the worst possible thing you could do to help us win. If you are a medic and truly have the best interest of town in mind, then it's better to claim green or claim vet.
The only scenario you could possibly want to do this is if there is a small chance you can influence the lynch otherwise and if you were a vet in order to soak up the next hit from mafia.
Given that this situation is highly unlikely, i'm now highly confident node is green and that you are mafia and am glad we won't have to waste a lynch on node or I.
On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote: GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic.
Why the heck would a medic ever claim being a medic if they were about to be lynched? That would be giving the mafia information and free reign to kill whomever they please with fear of being blocked by the medic. If you are really the medic then claiming to be medic is the worst possible thing you could do to help us win. If you are a medic and truly have the best interest of town in mind, then it's better to claim green or claim vet.
The only scenario you could possibly want to do this is if there is a small chance you can influence the lynch otherwise and if you were a vet in order to soak up the next hit from mafia.
Given that this situation is highly unlikely, i'm now highly confident node is green and that you are mafia and am glad we won't have to waste a lynch on node or I.
Defeatist attitude I guess. Kenpachi did the same thing in Salem Mafia and it was really dumb, he was killed right afterward.
This does give me the opportunity to see if he is telling the truth or not. He'll die in the night regardless if he's mafia but we can at least forgo wasting a lynch. Still waiting for my response though.
oh now we decide to go my way ##Unvote Chaoser ##vote Kenpachi yo dude i think Kenpachi has been spouting random shit and his contributed jackshit + Show Spoiler +
no its not sarcasm just being as protown as possible
On February 05 2011 13:50 Kenpachi wrote: oh now we decide to go my way ##Unvote Chaoser ##vote Kenpachi yo dude i think Kenpachi has been spouting random shit and his contributed jackshit + Show Spoiler +
no its not sarcasm just being as protown as possible
On February 05 2011 13:50 Kenpachi wrote: oh now we decide to go my way ##Unvote Chaoser ##vote Kenpachi yo dude i think Kenpachi has been spouting random shit and his contributed jackshit + Show Spoiler +
no its not sarcasm just being as protown as possible
On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote: GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic.
Why the heck would a medic ever claim being a medic if they were about to be lynched? That would be giving the mafia information and free reign to kill whomever they please with fear of being blocked by the medic. If you are really the medic then claiming to be medic is the worst possible thing you could do to help us win. If you are a medic and truly have the best interest of town in mind, then it's better to claim green or claim vet.
The only scenario you could possibly want to do this is if there is a small chance you can influence the lynch otherwise and if you were a vet in order to soak up the next hit from mafia.
Given that this situation is highly unlikely, i'm now highly confident node is green and that you are mafia and am glad we won't have to waste a lynch on node or I.
To be fair, medic is the one role in this game that is a) provable and b) especially worth thinking about saving. If chaoser is trying to save his ass, it's worth a shot.
If DrH really thinks it's possible to confirm chaoser, I'll highly consider following along. I haven't thought of a scenario where this would be possible, though.
Of course, the other scenario is that both DrH and chaoser are mafia, in which case, wowza.
In the end, I think the safer option is to lynch chaoser. It'll suck if we lose a medic, but if he flips mafia it heavily implicates DrH. His play is incredibly ballsy for that to be the case, but it's a situation where it would definitely take balls to pull out alive.
On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote: GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic.
Why the heck would a medic ever claim being a medic if they were about to be lynched? That would be giving the mafia information and free reign to kill whomever they please with fear of being blocked by the medic. If you are really the medic then claiming to be medic is the worst possible thing you could do to help us win. If you are a medic and truly have the best interest of town in mind, then it's better to claim green or claim vet.
The only scenario you could possibly want to do this is if there is a small chance you can influence the lynch otherwise and if you were a vet in order to soak up the next hit from mafia.
Given that this situation is highly unlikely, i'm now highly confident node is green and that you are mafia and am glad we won't have to waste a lynch on node or I.
To be fair, medic is the one role in this game that is a) provable and b) especially worth thinking about saving. If chaoser is trying to save his ass, it's worth a shot.
If DrH really thinks it's possible to confirm chaoser, I'll highly consider following along. I haven't thought of a scenario where this would be possible, though.
Of course, the other scenario is that both DrH and chaoser are mafia, in which case, wowza.
In the end, I think the safer option is to lynch chaoser. It'll suck if we lose a medic, but if he flips mafia it heavily implicates DrH. His play is incredibly ballsy for that to be the case, but it's a situation where it would definitely take balls to pull out alive.
Hahaha i suck so much dick at being mafia i don't know why people think im good at it
every time im mafia i get lynched really early except for that one mini game which I one
Chaoser revealed way too much information. It's a pretty simple check if you think about it.
I don't know how saving a medic would be good for town now. Think about it.
Chaoser has now revealed him being supposedly medic.
We don't lynch chaoser would mean lynching between darmousseh or node one of 2 being mafia. In the night mafia would be stupid to kill chaoser. Only reason to not kill him is by doing a double play. This would mean to leave chaoser alone and kill another townie to leave the townies in doubts of chaoser being a medic. Or chaoser is red. Which would mean we'd find out after we lynch darmousseh and node which would mean in town losing.
The best way for town is to lynch chaoser and see what his allegiance is and then confirm the roles of Node and darmousseh and at the same time giving clues and a good analysis of post behavior this day of others.
Him claiming to be a medic is the worst possible timing if you think about it. Who is he going to save in the night then when if he really is a medic is going to be the target himself in any case.
So I'm going to make it simple now for everyone. Method A: - lynch 1 town to get a mafia lynch 50% guess.
Method B: - lynch 1 mafia to prove 2 townies 100%
Regardless of which method we choose, Chaoser will get killed. Method A would be a very disadvantageous situation for town because it'll be lylo then after night. Method A would mean from being 6-2 we will end up at 4-2 after night meaning lylo day after that. Method B would not be lylo straight away. We'll be at 5-1 after night giving us time to analyze everyone and then we can permit of having a few town be lynched and still not lose.
Well, in any case, I believe Chaoser is the medic now.
If he was mafia he would have gone off of revealed post information and told a different story but he didn't which makes me inclined to believe he is telling the truth. I'm voting for Darmousseh and then I'd like to lynch Shann.
##Vote Darmousseh
Your post is stupid Shann because it assumes Chaoser is 100% mafia. If we lynch Chaoser and he is town, we're in the same shitty position that we are in if we lynch Darmousseh and he's town. There is really no difference between the two.
I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan
On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan
Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless.
On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan
Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless.
I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic.
That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan.
You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!?
Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time.
On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan
Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless.
I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic.
That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan.
You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!?
Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time.
On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan
Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless.
I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic.
That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan.
You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!?
Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time.
lol
Lol, you are really a bad mafia DrH if you are mafia. Townies would never be this desperate to deviate from a plan. My guess is that you are going all-in with putting yourself on the line in order to save chaoser or node.
Everyone, i've been going under the assumption that DrH was green for almost the entire game giving him pms and talking strategy in order to find the best method to determine the mafia, releaving my plans before I post in the thread sometimes, but in the end I think he just was bussing his entire team to set himself up as the last mafia in order to try to win. If he can convince you to never kill him or the mafia (node or chaoser) then he has won as mafia.
If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.
On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote: If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.
That's a great point. His plan actually sets it up to save node by killing me first followed by killing you. That gives him and node the greatest chance of surviving.
On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote: If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.
That's a great point. His plan actually sets it up to save node by killing me first followed by killing you. That gives him and node the greatest chance of surviving.
Or you are mafia and this is your game winning plan, lynch chaoser and node and assure your victory. Of course I'm pretty sure that neither you nor Node are mafia, which means chaoser is, but if he flips green...
On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote: If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.
That's a great point. His plan actually sets it up to save node by killing me first followed by killing you. That gives him and node the greatest chance of surviving.
Or you are mafia and this is your game winning plan, lynch chaoser and node and assure your victory. Of course I'm pretty sure that neither you nor Node are mafia, which means chaoser is, but if he flips green...
On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote: If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.
That's a great point. His plan actually sets it up to save node by killing me first followed by killing you. That gives him and node the greatest chance of surviving.
Or you are mafia and this is your game winning plan, lynch chaoser and node and assure your victory. Of course I'm pretty sure that neither you nor Node are mafia, which means chaoser is, but if he flips green...
We all agree that Node is town which is still a risk to do so. Going by this we should lynch darmousseh first if chaoser were to be town. Darmousseh would be stupid to come up with this plan because we all know that Node is the most guaranteed person to be town. So darmousseh that pm'ed drH should probably know this as well and drH as well which makes me very suspicious of drH for knowing everything which is the most worse possible thing as a townie to do. To pm someone who is still unsure of being town.
We should just stick to the plan and go from there. Why change now. It's only smart from mafia to confuse townies. Kenpachi already switched and DrH himself as well only for the sole purpose of saving a medic who wouldn't be of any purpose in the night. If anyone can assure me that saving a medic will result in NO kills in night then sure I'll agree to save chaoser but that's only an option that mafia can decide to.
Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched.
I'm now even more convinced that chaoser is mafia.
Pandain and Chaoser still hasn't voted yet. This could result in a tie and no lynch if both Kenpachi, Pandain and Chaoser votes on darmousseh which makes it the best case scenario for town to get a tie.
Warning to all fellow townies to absolutely not make a tie as this would not get us anywhere. In either way either we need to get a lynch on either chaoser or darmousseh. I'm going with chaoser because I'm sticking to the plan.
On February 06 2011 08:05 shannn wrote: List of votes so far.
chaoser: Gmarshal shannn node darmousseh
Kenpachi: Kenpachi
darmousseh: DrH
Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched.
I'm now even more convinced that chaoser is mafia.
Pandain and Chaoser still hasn't voted yet. This could result in a tie and no lynch if both Kenpachi, Pandain and Chaoser votes on darmousseh which makes it the best case scenario for town to get a tie.
Warning to all fellow townies to absolutely not make a tie as this would not get us anywhere. In either way either we need to get a lynch on either chaoser or darmousseh. I'm going with chaoser because I'm sticking to the plan.
EBWOP: first person by saying he's medic by willing to help town.
On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote: If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.
That's a great point. His plan actually sets it up to save node by killing me first followed by killing you. That gives him and node the greatest chance of surviving.
Or you are mafia and this is your game winning plan, lynch chaoser and node and assure your victory. Of course I'm pretty sure that neither you nor Node are mafia, which means chaoser is, but if he flips green...
We all agree that Node is town which is still a risk to do so. Going by this we should lynch darmousseh first if chaoser were to be town. Darmousseh would be stupid to come up with this plan because we all know that Node is the most guaranteed person to be town. So darmousseh that pm'ed drH should probably know this as well and drH as well which makes me very suspicious of drH for knowing everything which is the most worse possible thing as a townie to do. To pm someone who is still unsure of being town.
We should just stick to the plan and go from there. Why change now. It's only smart from mafia to confuse townies. Kenpachi already switched and DrH himself as well only for the sole purpose of saving a medic who wouldn't be of any purpose in the night. If anyone can assure me that saving a medic will result in NO kills in night then sure I'll agree to save chaoser but that's only an option that mafia can decide to.
I switched because I don't think chaoser is mafia. I won't vote for someone who I think isn't mafia so I'm not voting for him.
I'm not going to convince you guys to go along with me, it's obvious chaoser is still going to get lynched but I won't vote for someone who I think is town based on principle. It's ridiculous to say I'm scum because I changed my mind. I voted for Chaoser yesterday, I tried to convince everyone he is scum, and based on new information and evidence I've changed my mind. Same reason I changed my mind about CubEdIn. First impressions are often wrong.
I think Darmousseh pointed out pandain (even went as far as to accuse him in PM to me) thinking they were gonna kill him that night which would clear him. Pandain survived but Chaoser didn't take the obvious bait. If he was a scum fake medic he would have lied and said "Oh, yes I protected Pandain". If there is a counterclaim the mafia could then motion to call out the other as a faker (not too hard to do if you're a skilled manipulator) or claim there are probably two medics.
Darmousseh accused Pandain at a very very late time, it was clear the intention was not to get a lynch bandwagon started. I think that trust was then used to manipulate the puzzle stage. When Chaoser turned up that is a perfect opportunity to abuse town because there was already a lot of distrust about him.
If Chaoser turns up red then that'll ease my mind quite a bit but it'll be very difficult to pinpoint his teammate. I'm not 100% sure (obviously) about Chaoser but I feel more confident that either darmousseh or shann is mafia than him. So I will not vote for Chaoser.
Here's what does strike me as odd about Chaoser and I just realized this a minute ago. If he is the medic why would he say "no one counterclaim?" It's pretty obvious there would be only 1 medic in a game like this as medics will never > mafia KP for balance issues. But he said "no counterclaims". However saying that as mafia doesn't really make sense either I guess. I just found that kinda strange.
I don't think Mafia will kill Chaoser in the night, even if he is the medic. I'll tell you this though. If I die tonight and Darmousseh/Shann flip red down the road, kill the other one please.
On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote: If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.
no it's absolutely stupid to think that we are a scumteam even considering how much I love buses
i would never ever double bus especially if there is heat on me. i already helped get jackal dead on day 1 when it could have easily been gmarshal or shann. then i tried to get you killed on day 2? people still want me dead, that's too risky.
On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan
Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless.
I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic.
That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan.
You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!?
Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time.
lol
Lol, you are really a bad mafia DrH if you are mafia. Townies would never be this desperate to deviate from a plan. My guess is that you are going all-in with putting yourself on the line in order to save chaoser or node.
Everyone, i've been going under the assumption that DrH was green for almost the entire game giving him pms and talking strategy in order to find the best method to determine the mafia, releaving my plans before I post in the thread sometimes, but in the end I think he just was bussing his entire team to set himself up as the last mafia in order to try to win. If he can convince you to never kill him or the mafia (node or chaoser) then he has won as mafia.
Stay with the original plan and we win town
If chaoser is red, i recommend lynching DrH next.
This is really bad. I'm not desperate to deviate from the plan. I'm just not voting for Chaoser. That's it. And why does Node have to be the mafia, you assume it can't be darmousseh? That's fucking stupid.
Chaoser is dying anyway, I'm not trying to save him. Let me say this over and over, I'm just voting for the person I suspect most. There is no "desperate attempt" to save chaoser because he's just gonna get lynched anyway. I won't on principle vote with the bandwagon if I think the bandwagon is wrong. When Chaoser flips blue we'll end this game by lynching you and Darmousseh.
On February 06 2011 08:05 shannn wrote: Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched.
What the hell? This is just the worst kind of WIFOM. While I agree that we should stick with the plan, are you seriously suggestion that the best reaction of an innocent medic is to vote for themselves? That's kind of ridiculous.
On February 06 2011 08:05 shannn wrote: Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched.
What the hell? This is just the worst kind of WIFOM. While I agree that we should stick with the plan, are you seriously suggestion that the best reaction of an innocent medic is to vote for themselves? That's kind of ridiculous.
i don't think shann has played this game before that's why he is saying dumb things like that
On February 06 2011 08:05 shannn wrote: Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched.
What the hell? This is just the worst kind of WIFOM. While I agree that we should stick with the plan, are you seriously suggestion that the best reaction of an innocent medic is to vote for themselves? That's kind of ridiculous.
i don't think shann has played this game before that's why he is saying dumb things like that
No I haven't played this game before like I actually stated in this thread like page 2 or 3.
On February 06 2011 08:05 shannn wrote: Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched.
What the hell? This is just the worst kind of WIFOM. While I agree that we should stick with the plan, are you seriously suggestion that the best reaction of an innocent medic is to vote for themselves? That's kind of ridiculous.
No I'm not saying it's the best reaction I find it just abnormal that he hasn't voted yet. He says he's a medic shouldn't he then say I think darmousseh is mafia thus vote for him? That is the curious thing that I found about him. Ofcourse voting for himself like Kenpachi did is a sign of willing to help town but he didn't hence I found it curious that he isn't showing any sign of willing to help town. Wouldn't you want to help town when you're sure to get lynched in any case? If he flips green then sure lynch me first and I'll be prove to town that I'm town. But then lynch darmousseh and drh then because on of them is mafia.
Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Also DrH if you are mafia, great idea to keep node alive as long as possible. I'm not 100% confident you are mafia, but you are sure acting like it now. Now that I think about it cubed was right about the clues on day 2 all along. The clues on day 2 don't fit node at all, but they might fit you. Too bad cubed plays so aggressively and scum-like or we might have gone with his clues.
Now that I know node is scum, I get to spend time looking for clues in the day 2 post for the actual person to find that last scumbag.
Based on the clues on day 2, drh and shann had the most evidence against them on that day other than cubed's insane town play, since chaoser didn't say he protected pandain, he is definitely a vet and my previous clue hunting was flawed.
Well we'll just have to wait until Day 3 to see what happens. I think we should vote or shann, the clues point toward him on Day 2. What makes you think I'm mafia based on posting behavior?
I think the scumteam is you and shann or node and shann. But I'm most sure of shann so I'll wait until Day 3 to figure out who should be lynched after him. Assuming I live that long.
I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh.
On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it.
And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post?
On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer.
DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there.
On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it.
And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post?
On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer.
DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there.
darmousseh is lying about your post behavior, you were the one to make the case on jackal58 in the first place. he's using deceptive practices and operating under the assumption that we all believe he is town. Why? Because he made a case on pandain like an hour before Pandain got shot to clear darmousseh's name? That's absurd.
Shann's post behavior is atrociously scummy though. I believe the clues from day 2 are pointing toward shann. So I want to wait until day 3 to see who is the scum between you and darmousseh.
Oh shit, I just realized that I pulled a quote from shann in my above post (which certainly doesn't help him, but still, it helps to keep people straight ). My bad there. Here:
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote: While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.
This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?
Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but
Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.
If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.
Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.
Could the clues you use reference something semi-related to the character? Such as using the title of a song from a member of a band? Or using a paragraph from a book that someone wrote?
One other question The mafia got to choose a godfather. Is his alignment revelead upon death? There is no information in the OP about the godfather other than mafia get to choose one.. I want to be sure we aren't being tricked by any flip so far.
On February 06 2011 14:09 darmousseh wrote: One other question The mafia got to choose a godfather. Is his alignment revelead upon death? There is no information in the OP about the godfather other than mafia get to choose one.. I want to be sure we aren't being tricked by any flip so far.
There is no Godfather
On February 06 2011 13:52 darmousseh wrote: Could the clues you use reference something semi-related to the character? Such as using the title of a song from a member of a band? Or using a paragraph from a book that someone wrote?
On February 06 2011 11:06 GMarshal wrote: Damnit! I was sure he was scum, I guess we are lynching darmousseh then?
Yep. Then we'll go ahead and lynch shann.
Sure go ahead. I'm already sure that you're mafia or just stupidly bad. You've accused Cubed/Chaoser and now me. Cubed thought you're mafia. Chaoser thought you're mafia. I was already saying you're mafia. Can't be coincidence right?
On February 06 2011 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well we'll just have to wait until Day 3 to see what happens. I think we should vote or shann, the clues point toward him on Day 2. What makes you think I'm mafia based on posting behavior?
I think the scumteam is you and shann or node and shann. But I'm most sure of shann so I'll wait until Day 3 to figure out who should be lynched after him. Assuming I live that long.
And the clues on day 2 doesn't point towards you remotely? I agree that the clues points towards me but the clues fit you better.
On February 06 2011 12:29 Node wrote: I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh.
On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it.
And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post?
On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer.
DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there.
Node you are making it so that DrH is green for sure while he's been so suspicious. Just look above and see who he's accused so far. I'm willing to get lynched but then it's going to alarm that DrH is scum.
On February 06 2011 12:29 Node wrote: I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh.
On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it.
And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post?
On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer.
DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there.
darmousseh is lying about your post behavior, you were the one to make the case on jackal58 in the first place. he's using deceptive practices and operating under the assumption that we all believe he is town. Why? Because he made a case on pandain like an hour before Pandain got shot to clear darmousseh's name? That's absurd.
Shann's post behavior is atrociously scummy though. I believe the clues from day 2 are pointing toward shann. So I want to wait until day 3 to see who is the scum between you and darmousseh.
My posts are scummy? I'm saying what I think about the progress and plans of everyone. You on the other hand have been constantly pointing fingers not based on clues but based on your own experience which hasn't helped town at all. Sure you directed away from Chaoser at the last moment but that just seemed so suspicious for a mafia play. Every time you accuse someone of being mafia ends up dead and shows that they're town. I want you to show something based on clues on me since this is a clues game and not post behavior since it hasn't helped town at all so far and for you.
It's going to be lylo day 4 so we have to guess correctly whom to lynch between darmousseh and node.
I even volunteered to be a sacrifice to prove that I'm town but everyone wanted to go with darmousseh and node. It would've been better if it were Node and I because then since Node is the most likeliest town person than we would've hit mafia more likely and I'd have gotten rid of the suspicions on me. But you and darmousseh didn't want that to happen so I agreed on that.
Very subtle play by you if you're mafia else just stupid as townie why we didn't go by that. We'd got rid of me if we hit town and we'd narrow down the possible suspects of mafia which my intentions were you/kenpachi/chaoser. Now that I know that Chaoser isn't scum then that leaves you and Kenpachi but seeing Kenpachi so far I'd be going more onto you than anything.
On February 06 2011 11:06 GMarshal wrote: Damnit! I was sure he was scum, I guess we are lynching darmousseh then?
Yep. Then we'll go ahead and lynch shann.
Sure go ahead. I'm already sure that you're mafia or just stupidly bad. You've accused Cubed/Chaoser and now me. Cubed thought you're mafia. Chaoser thought you're mafia. I was already saying you're mafia. Can't be coincidence right?
On February 06 2011 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well we'll just have to wait until Day 3 to see what happens. I think we should vote or shann, the clues point toward him on Day 2. What makes you think I'm mafia based on posting behavior?
I think the scumteam is you and shann or node and shann. But I'm most sure of shann so I'll wait until Day 3 to figure out who should be lynched after him. Assuming I live that long.
And the clues on day 2 doesn't point towards you remotely? I agree that the clues points towards me but the clues fit you better.
On February 06 2011 12:29 Node wrote: I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh.
On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it.
And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post?
On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer.
DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there.
Node you are making it so that DrH is green for sure while he's been so suspicious. Just look above and see who he's accused so far. I'm willing to get lynched but then it's going to alarm that DrH is scum.
On February 06 2011 12:29 Node wrote: I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh.
On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it.
And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post?
On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer.
DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there.
darmousseh is lying about your post behavior, you were the one to make the case on jackal58 in the first place. he's using deceptive practices and operating under the assumption that we all believe he is town. Why? Because he made a case on pandain like an hour before Pandain got shot to clear darmousseh's name? That's absurd.
Shann's post behavior is atrociously scummy though. I believe the clues from day 2 are pointing toward shann. So I want to wait until day 3 to see who is the scum between you and darmousseh.
My posts are scummy? I'm saying what I think about the progress and plans of everyone. You on the other hand have been constantly pointing fingers not based on clues but based on your own experience which hasn't helped town at all. Sure you directed away from Chaoser at the last moment but that just seemed so suspicious for a mafia play. Every time you accuse someone of being mafia ends up dead and shows that they're town. I want you to show something based on clues on me since this is a clues game and not post behavior since it hasn't helped town at all so far and for you.
It's going to be lylo day 4 so we have to guess correctly whom to lynch between darmousseh and node.
I even volunteered to be a sacrifice to prove that I'm town but everyone wanted to go with darmousseh and node. It would've been better if it were Node and I because then since Node is the most likeliest town person than we would've hit mafia more likely and I'd have gotten rid of the suspicions on me. But you and darmousseh didn't want that to happen so I agreed on that.
Very subtle play by you if you're mafia else just stupid as townie why we didn't go by that. We'd got rid of me if we hit town and we'd narrow down the possible suspects of mafia which my intentions were you/kenpachi/chaoser. Now that I know that Chaoser isn't scum then that leaves you and Kenpachi but seeing Kenpachi so far I'd be going more onto you than anything.
On February 08 2011 09:01 Kenpachi wrote: I find it suspicious that DrH wasnt hit last night. Hes a better target compared to Pandain and there no medic left.
It was probably because Pandain was the only confirmed innocent at that point barring ridiculously exceptional circumstances. Since everyone else has had suspicions cast on them, it was a good move to take out the only sure thing in the game.
Thats the reason why im not voting DrH. while it doesnt make sense to not kill him, it makes sense to kill Pandain instead. Id make this push on darmousseh his last chance if darmousseh isnt mafia.
Node is playing amazing right now in order to convince you guys to vote for me. I have been playing pro-town the entire game, trying to find clues, analyzing (even if it was fail) and helping. Node has not had a single contribution the entire game. When we mentioned the plan, node said nothing. I even thought node was town when i put him in my plan.I should have put someone else in node's spot so that we got mafia right away, but DrH suggested node and I went along.
I'm not 100% convinced DrH is mafia. But he seems to be going back on his word suggesting altering the plan.
If DrH is mafia he is taking a huge risk, after we lynch node (whether now or next lynch) DrH immediately becomes suspect #1, so it would seem that is a retarded idea by him since it's such a huge risk. This makes me think that the real mafia is hiding among the remaining participants.
If you guys deviate from the plan and kill me tonight, then everyone will regret it. Deviation is exactly what the mafia wants and needs since I came up with a plan that would get 100% guaranteed information. If i was truly mafia I would never have pushed for such a great plan. Look at the first one i contributed. I didn't think it was possible to get guaranteed information so i found a plan with 60% success, but I found a way to get 100% success and now you guys are being tricked into thinking that I am mafia.
I will continue looking at the clues to see if i find anything.
On February 08 2011 11:12 darmousseh wrote: Node is playing amazing right now in order to convince you guys to vote for me. I have been playing pro-town the entire game, trying to find clues, analyzing (even if it was fail) and helping. Node has not had a single contribution the entire game. When we mentioned the plan, node said nothing. I even thought node was town when i put him in my plan.I should have put someone else in node's spot so that we got mafia right away, but DrH suggested node and I went along.
I'm not 100% convinced DrH is mafia. But he seems to be going back on his word suggesting altering the plan.
If DrH is mafia he is taking a huge risk, after we lynch node (whether now or next lynch) DrH immediately becomes suspect #1, so it would seem that is a retarded idea by him since it's such a huge risk. This makes me think that the real mafia is hiding among the remaining participants.
If you guys deviate from the plan and kill me tonight, then everyone will regret it. Deviation is exactly what the mafia wants and needs since I came up with a plan that would get 100% guaranteed information. If i was truly mafia I would never have pushed for such a great plan. Look at the first one i contributed. I didn't think it was possible to get guaranteed information so i found a plan with 60% success, but I found a way to get 100% success and now you guys are being tricked into thinking that I am mafia.
I will continue looking at the clues to see if i find anything.
actually it's the perfect plan if you are mafia considering you can almost force lylo by getting two townie lynches in a row killing chaoser and then node
I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.
And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.
Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3. It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?
We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.
Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.
I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.
Need to stick with post behavior. Not to mention he is the best fit for day 2. Unless your analysis is amazing I'm sticking with this and I suggest the town sheep me. Shann has done nothing except for defend himself and accuse me of being mafia really. If he flips red then we can kiss Node goodbye. If not this game is probably lost and I'd guess that the mafia team is darmousseh/kenpachi.
If you guys want to go with the 50/50 between darm and node go ahead but please do your own analysis. Read all of their posts and think about what they are trying to accomplish. Don't focus on things like inconsistency/inactivity because that isn't very important. I personally believe town is more likely to make mistakes than mafia since they are less careful about posting (no implicit guilt)
On February 08 2011 13:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote Darmousseh
##Vote Shann
Need to stick with post behavior. Not to mention he is the best fit for day 2. Unless your analysis is amazing I'm sticking with this and I suggest the town sheep me. Shann has done nothing except for defend himself and accuse me of being mafia really. If he flips red then we can kiss Node goodbye. If not this game is probably lost and I'd guess that the mafia team is darmousseh/kenpachi.
If you guys want to go with the 50/50 between darm and node go ahead but please do your own analysis. Read all of their posts and think about what they are trying to accomplish. Don't focus on things like inconsistency/inactivity because that isn't very important. I personally believe town is more likely to make mistakes than mafia since they are less careful about posting (no implicit guilt)
Well atleast you're consistent in changing your mind.
I have been defending myself whole time? Really? Acussing you of mafia whole time? Really? If you hadn't noticed I even thought you were green before day 2 but with the way things has worked out after day 2 I've noticed that you just accuse everyone of mafia. This hasn't helped town at all. Which is why I find it so scummy of you. Pointing fingers and just vote for them for no good reason. Analysing posts? And people actually believe that crap you do. Just the past 24 hours you've accused darmousseh/node AND me now. Before that it was cubed and chaoser and we all know how that happened. You're just bad for town or you're mafia. Either way I should've pushed to lynch you whether you're town or mafia when we found out cubed was town because you're dragging everyone down.
And it can't be a coincidence when chaoser/cubed thought you were mafia.
If you really are town then you should be analysing Darmousseh/Node first because one of those 2 is lying and mafia. After that you can focus on me all you want. I'll be doing the same on you.
On February 08 2011 13:21 shannn wrote: I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.
And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.
Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3. It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?
We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.
Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.
I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.
Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out.
Q threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes. Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test. Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar. Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens.
Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode. Clue #3 Q's freezing ability Clue #4 Q's magical ability.
The guy with the suit that looks like the one in the lego scene.
The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous + Show Spoiler +
But you can't deny Captain, that you're still a dangerous, savage child-race.
PICARD Most certainly I deny it. I agree that we still were when ... (indicating) ... humans wore costumes like that four hundred years ago...
"Q" (MARINE CAPTAIN) At which time you slaughtered millions in silly arguments about how to divide the resources of your little world. And four hundred years before that you were murdering each other in quarrels over tribal god-images. And since there have been no indications that humans will ever change .....
Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness.
My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins
lol what else are you suppoosed to do except accuse/find mafia
that's the whole point of this fucking game. lol i didn't want cubed lynched and I didn't want chaoser lynched. the only lynch I followed through on was jackal58. your accusation of me being mafia is basically this
"Well you caught mafia day 1 and then you accused people wrongly but changed your mind when you figured they were probably town but because town lynched them and you ended up right, you must be mafia!"
what do you want me to do? follow through with the incorrect lynches or just perfectly pick mafia every time? dumb.
On February 08 2011 13:21 shannn wrote: I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.
And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.
Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3. It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?
We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.
Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.
I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.
Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out.
Q threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes. Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test. Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar. Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens.
Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode. Clue #3 Q's freezing ability Clue #4 Q's magical ability.
The guy with the suit that looks like the one in the lego scene.
The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous + Show Spoiler +
But you can't deny Captain, that you're still a dangerous, savage child-race.
PICARD Most certainly I deny it. I agree that we still were when ... (indicating) ... humans wore costumes like that four hundred years ago...
"Q" (MARINE CAPTAIN) At which time you slaughtered millions in silly arguments about how to divide the resources of your little world. And four hundred years before that you were murdering each other in quarrels over tribal god-images. And since there have been no indications that humans will ever change .....
Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness.
My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins
##Unvote ##Vote: Shannn
don't call it brilliant you'll give him the impression he said anything that made sense this entire game which would be awful
On February 08 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol what else are you suppoosed to do except accuse/find mafia
that's the whole point of this fucking game. lol i didn't want cubed lynched and I didn't want chaoser lynched. the only lynch I followed through on was jackal58. your accusation of me being mafia is basically this
"Well you caught mafia day 1 and then you accused people wrongly but changed your mind when you figured they were probably town but because town lynched them and you ended up right, you must be mafia!"
what do you want me to do? follow through with the incorrect lynches or just perfectly pick mafia every time? dumb.
I didn't say you should not accuse people. I said that your way of accusing people just by post behavior has been wrong so far. You haven't analysed much at all. What good has your way of helping us done so far? Nothing. Everyone just went along with you which is why I'm not doing it anymore. It sucked for town because this is how we lost Cubed. You've set up accusing Chaoser whole game and then when Chaoser said he was medic you found the opportunity to actually benefit on this by not accusing him because everyone else like me thought it might be right but also a last ditch effort.
In either way when Chaoser is lynched or not you would not be in suspicion. And no you didn't caught mafia day 1. You didn't do an analysis at all. You were the first one to vote for Jackal without reasoning either. Sorry but I'm not buying that crap.
On February 08 2011 13:21 shannn wrote: I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.
And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.
Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3. It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?
We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.
Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.
I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.
Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out.
Q threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes. Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test. Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar. Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens.
Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode. Clue #3 Q's freezing ability Clue #4 Q's magical ability.
The guy with the suit that looks like the one in the lego scene.
The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous + Show Spoiler +
But you can't deny Captain, that you're still a dangerous, savage child-race.
PICARD Most certainly I deny it. I agree that we still were when ... (indicating) ... humans wore costumes like that four hundred years ago...
"Q" (MARINE CAPTAIN) At which time you slaughtered millions in silly arguments about how to divide the resources of your little world. And four hundred years before that you were murdering each other in quarrels over tribal god-images. And since there have been no indications that humans will ever change .....
Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness.
My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins
##Unvote ##Vote: Shannn
Good analysis I'll give you that but the clues aren't about me. I can't defend myself because I've already pointed out why I think the day 2 clues are not about me and I was not the only one. I can't believe it tbh. Even cubed said that when we lynch him we should look at drH after. How can those hints not be so straighforward then? It's so simple yet people ignore them. It's mindblowing.
I have to agree with Cubed that town should lose. So everyone can vote for me and then just think about themselves.
It's quite clever that darmousseh AND drH are accusing me using different reasoning to get rid of me.
Oh another thing too is if you look at the wikipedia page on Q in the overview, the very first line talks about his debut episode, which is encounter at farpoint.
In the jackal clues, LSB found a single event from the wikipedia and expanded. This is the same, LSB probably went to the page, found the first reference (which is the farpoint station episode) and then picked some stuff from it (Q's freezing ability, the throne room scene, Q's threatening to destroy humanity, his magical powers). Since he said he took the pictures himself, it leads me to believe the alien with the suit is intentional.
People had found references to Q earlier, but I think the kicker was remembering the freezing scene and then the snow scene clue makes sense and the fact that it seems to point to a very specific event (farpoint episode).
Also on the clues
#2 the lego scene is reminiscent of the judgement room in the episode.
It is amazing that people are not focussing on the task at hand too. I won't say no to accuse someone but there are 2 people now which atleast 1 of them is mafia. Yet people are now diverting from the plan EVEN the creator. We've figured out the scenario's which is if the lynched is town which is true then the remaining people has atleast 1 mafia. But everyone ignores this. Analysing their post behavior is top priority yet not doing that. Especially with the 2 sheeps, town is surely going to lose when 2 mafia is voting against me.
On February 08 2011 14:13 shannn wrote: It is amazing that people are not focussing on the task at hand too. I won't say no to accuse someone but there are 2 people now which atleast 1 of them is mafia. Yet people are now diverting from the plan EVEN the creator. We've figured out the scenario's which is if the lynched is town which is true then the remaining people has atleast 1 mafia. But everyone ignores this. Analysing their post behavior is top priority yet not doing that. Especially with the 2 sheeps, town is surely going to lose when 2 mafia is voting against me.
Now that I think you are mafia from the day 2 clues, your volunteering to take node's spot make sense since the clues on you fit for day 2 and there are no clues to fit node yet. If you were in nodes position and got lynched instead of node, then we would have absolutely no clues to go on after that. Since you knew that a mafia would get lynched with my plan, you tried to do what you described earlier as "damage control" and sac yourself in order to ensure that node survives since we have no clues. Node would then probably take that opportunity to criticize DrH and try to get town to mislynch. The reason you did this was because you believed town would stick 100% with my original plan. When DrH started to propose lynching me instead, you used that opportunity to try to win the game, but now you are backed into a corner you didn't see, which is figuring out the clues and lynching you instead.
The clues seem compelling to me, also the only success we've had in finding scum was by clue analysis so I might as well put faith in it, of course if its wrong it means Darmousseh is mafia (and probably Dr.H as well) [so if your analysis is wrong we probably lose] The thing that makes me trust Dr.H is the fact that he defended chaoser when the rest of us went to hang him ##Unvote ##Vote: Shannn
The key is Gulliver’s Travels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulliver's_Travels Lego men represents smallness (Part 1: Lilliput) The Magic Set represents entertainment (Part 2: Brobdingnag) The sheet music represents music. (Part 3: Laputa) The quote from heart of darkness represents xenophobia. (Part 4: Gulliver's distaste of the Yahoos)
The Footsteps was the red herring because it isn't one of the 4 parts of Gulliver's travels, however it does represent Travels and shouldof set you in the right direction
On February 09 2011 11:09 GMarshal wrote: sorry Kenpachi, you kind of gave away the fact that you were the veteran earlier in the thread, otherwise we would have hit you.
hey i thought you guys would rather see it as my moment of brilliance
Lawl at Kenpachi letting slip that he's a veteran. We would have hit him tonight if it weren't for that.
Day 4 we really didn't need to actually do anything. I'd already managed to put doubt in darmousseh, and town basically imploded on itself. I just sat back and enjoyed the view.
As an aside, what is it with mini mafia games and me getting mafia? That's 3 / 4, or 4 / 5 if you consider the teacher role in battle royale the "mafia" of that game.
Not reconizing how fast Jackel58 was bussed. Once Mr. Wiggles posted his analysis, Jackel58 was dead. It is as simple as that. The clues clearly pointed to him, so obviously all the mafia would have bussed Jackel58
Not talking and replacing analysis with clue hunting. DO NOT rely solely on clue analysis when the only person who actually could do the clue analysis was killed. In addition, what's up with the "no talking at night" thing? All it did was hurt the town horribly since there wasn't enough activity to do actual analysis
Not doing analysis. Seriously. No one did analysis.
Not killing GMarshal. Seriously. He is obivous Mafia. Clearly he doesn't want to help town. All he does is bandwagon and say "lol I'll follow your clue analysis since I don't want to do it myself"
And many more. I'll post a more detailed analysis later.
Lawl at Kenpachi letting slip that he's a veteran. We would have hit him tonight if it weren't for that.
Day 4 we really didn't need to actually do anything. I'd already managed to put doubt in darmousseh, and town basically imploded on itself. I just sat back and enjoyed the view.
Lol. And Gmarshall thought you guys were going to lose.
As an aside, what is it with mini mafia games and me getting mafia? That's 3 / 4, or 4 / 5 if you consider the teacher role in battle royale the "mafia" of that game.
This game I just picked people that had very different wikipedia articles. For example, Shann and Jackel58 weren't going to be on the same team day 1. Mr Dinosaurs seemed far enough away from everyone else.
On February 09 2011 11:12 darmousseh wrote: I seriously spent like an hour going through johnathan swift and gulliver's travels and the clues, but couldn't find the connection.
SR says it best
Original Message From SouthRawrea: Ah you see I made the assumption that you'd make the clues more obscure and metaphorical as you were perhaps having afterthoughts about the Day 1 lynch and how easily that was found.
Day 3 I was convinced that the puzzle would screw us over, when Node was picked I was overjoyed although I really expected town to stick to the plan, which would have made it much harder to win.
And yeah I suck as mafia, I really need to learn how to play well as a red
Also, me posting the basic clues against Jackal right after Mr. Wiggles was complete coincidence. I facepalmed a bit when I saw that I'd been beaten to the punch. I figured Jackal was going to be outed pretty much no matter what -- at least that was the correct thing to think.
Node is mafia and now that I know that it means that you will become #1 suspect after tonight regardless of the outcome.
I don't believe you are mafia because that would be retarded to group yourself with node so I believe the final mafia is hiding.
After going through the read several times, my highest suspicion is gmarshal. There might be a possible connection between heart of darkness and gmarhsl's character johnathan swift, but i haven't had any luck. The closest connection i can find is from a satire swift wrote called "a modest proposal". Also the way gmarshal is playing is very carefully. Read through his posts.
"heart of darkness" "a modest proposal" returns some results, but nothing to connect the clues entirely just yet.
The clues though look like they could be describing a scene from a book.
The only other person kenpachi doesn't seem to fit at all.
There is no connection between jonathan swift and heart of darkness. Do you understand that everything that has happened, that you have done, makes perfect sense if you are mafia?
On February 08 2011 14:08 darmousseh wrote: In the jackal clues, LSB found a single event from the wikipedia and expanded.
When I thought about gulliver's travels I saw the lego reference, but I wouldn't describe his hate of the yahoo as xenophobic since yahoos are humans (metaphorically). At that point I gave up since I didn't see anything with music or magic.
On February 09 2011 11:14 darmousseh wrote: I think the day 2 clues were really weak sorry LSB but that really misled me. Magic set = entertainment?
Yeah. The thing was you had to figure out that the 4 pictures corresponded to the four parts of the story. Specifically pointing to one thing.
Sort of like Jackel, I picked on thing and built a theme around it
On February 08 2011 14:08 darmousseh wrote: In the jackal clues, LSB found a single event from the wikipedia and expanded.
When I thought about gulliver's travels I saw the lego reference, but I wouldn't describe his hate of the yahoo as xenophobic since yahoos are humans (metaphorically). At that point I gave up since I didn't see anything with music or magic.
Ahh I see.
Just remember, clue analysis by itself is bad (especially since it was pretty obvious I wasn't gonna give you another freebee). You have to do posting analysis, and it would have been pretty clear that Gmarshal was mafia. Try reading over his posts. They jump at you as being non-commital and not very helpful right?
On January 31 2011 14:55 Node wrote: So, seeing as we know that Jackal is red, here's some analysis of what he's done and what that implicates.
On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.
Light defense of Pandain here.
On January 29 2011 13:25 Jackal58 wrote: From Wiki:
The thunder god of the Mortal Kombat universe, also known as Lord Raiden, is a protector of Earthrealm. Raiden commands many supernatural abilities such as the ability to teleport, control over lightning, and flight.
A reference to the missing bodies?
Puts some suspicion on Raiden / CubEdIn. As far as I can tell he's the only one to mention this character.
On January 30 2011 05:03 Jackal58 wrote: Yep. I see points of the story in my wiki link. But I also can see points of the story in everybody's wiki link. Except Pandains. Haven't been able to make any connections to pandas.
Again, light defense of Pandain. But it's not like he lied here, we know that the post didn't apply to pandas at all.
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?
And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.
I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.
i don't understand your response
so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it
Goddamit I HAVE MADE NO CONNECTION TO SWIFT!!!!!! Stop putting words in my mouth.
He pretty vehemently denies having put suspicion on Swift / GMarshall.
In the end, he didn't really lead us anywhere, as pretty much anybody can analyze clues. But I'm a bit more suspicious of GMarshall now, as Jackal seemed incredibly determined to make sure that there was no link present between them. I'll also keep an eye out for clues related to Pandain, but there's definitely nothing concrete here.
I tip my hat to Node. His play was brilliant. GMarshall was exceptional as well. They both bussed me with conviction and with no hard feelings. I think I may have encouraged it a bit. But Node you were brilliant. You played Dr.H like Sherlock's violin.And town pushed the self destruct button.
Since I was already being lynched I didn't want to bother help town anymore. It was kind of obvious we'd lose because Cubed and Chaoser tried to save town by saying LOOK AT THEM when we die and everyone just looked away except me. After I realised it was pointless I didn't want to bother anything since I couldn't convince others anyways. I mean when I said focus at the task at hand and everyone just not doing that lol.
Was my first time and enjoyed it nonetheless congrats to mafia I guess.
I learned a lot out of this game :d Not relying on the experienced player (drH), looking at the people that bussed right away. Try to sacrifice the sheep (Kenpachi) and more importantly try to actually stay focused on the task at hand. What more?
Hooray for clues! Shame I didn't get to play longer haha. Never though of looking at Gulliver's Travels, only looked at parts of Jonathon Swift, but wiki articles on historical figures are so long and boring lol. If I was still alive though, I prolly would've gotten Dr. H killed by accident.
Ok, so looking at the clues, I actually think they've fit Dr.H the best.
Going in order:
First Pic:
"Drop the Bomb, exterminate them all!"
A couple of interpretations. Just from what's written, it could refer to Thom Yorke's new band, "Atoms for Peace", which is a reference to nuclear bombs, or so it seems, Atoms for peace instead of atom bombs.
Around this time, Yorke said he "hit the self-destruct button pretty quickly"; he drank heavily, which resulted in him randomly cutting his hair off and being too drunk to perform onstage. -wiki
Self-destruction (weaker)
But also, looking at it in the context of the movie, it's about Col. Kurtz, who is seen as a God, and has built himself up to be one. This could refer to two things from Thom Yorke's page.
Either:
A. "Radiohead first gained notice with the worldwide hit single "Creep", which later appeared on the band's 1993 debut album Pablo Honey. Yorke admitted later that the success had fed his ego; he tried to project himself as a rock star, which included bleaching his hair and wearing extensions. He said, "When I got back to Oxford I was unbearable . . . [A]s soon as you get any success you disappear up your own arse and lost it forever."" -From wiki
He sees himself as a rock "god", and builds up his ego, similar to Kurtz, or...
B. "Yorke has had an uneasy relationship with other celebrities and the media. Following Radiohead's 1993 Pablo Honey tour of America, Yorke became disenchanted at being "right at the sharp end of the sexy, sassy, MTV eye-candy lifestyle" he felt he was helping to sell to the world."
He doesn't like how other celebrities are seen as "Gods" and worshipped.
Second Pic:
Yorke was born in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire. At birth, his left eye was fixed shut; his doctors believed that his eye was paralyzed and that the condition was permanent. Yorke's parents took him to an eye specialist, who suggested a muscle graft. Yorke underwent five eye operations before he was six years old.[10] Yorke's father, a chemical equipment salesman, was hired by a firm in Scotland shortly after his son's birth and the family lived there until Yorke was seven. During this time Yorke had to wear a patch over his eye.[11] He has stated that the last surgery was "botched," leaving him with a drooping eyelid.[12]
Yorke's family moved frequently; Yorke would move from school to school, where classmates teased him because of his eye problems. -wiki
He had eye problems, which caused him to have a droopy eye. He was made fun of by his classmates because of this. The picture definitely looks like it could be someone getting bullied by others, pushed onto the ground. Also, the figure is grey, which could be in reference to how he looked different, or it could mean you just ran out of yellow Lego figures.
Now, the third and fourth pictures are the weaker interpretations, I think one of them is the fake.
Third pic:
A winter field, covered in snow, with a lone pair of footprints winding through it. I can think of a few things that relate to this, none of them particularly strong.
Yorke is an environmental activist, particularly against carbon emissions, which cause global warming, lead us to colder winters, thus the cold winter picture.
It could also maybe refer to his seemingly spending less time with the band, and going off on his own more and doing own thing recently, thus the single track through the snow. The field also looks lonely, or (pun incoming) he left his band out in the cold.
Last one, with wiki proof,
In 2002, Jack Black claimed to have approached Yorke to congratulate him on his solo show at the Bridge School benefit concert in San Francisco, only for Yorke to ignore him and walk away. Referring to the incident, Black stated in an interview: "I heard later that he's famously cold, and it wasn't just me that he despises, but the whole world. -wiki
It says he's cold, which could be a reference to it being winter, and cold, mirroring his emotional landscape. It could also be that he "despises the whole world", so he is walking all alone in the lonely winter.
Fourth pic (weakest connection):
Magic tricks, could be a reference to the fact he is a performer. It could maybe also be what whoever pointed out, the song at the bottom of the wiki, "House of Cards".
Fifth Pic:
Sheet music. Thom Yorke is a musician, so music, duhh. But I can add a bit more to this, besides just being a musician.
Yorke, unlike the other members of Radiohead, has never learned how to read music.[44] He said, "If someone lays the notes on a page in front of me, it's meaningless... because to me you can't express the rhythms properly like that. It's a very ineffective way of doing it, so I've never really bothered picking it up."[43] -wiki
Another reference to music, particularly sheet music. He says he can't read it, and it doesn't look like anything to him, so perhaps it is especially relevant that it's sheet music, and not just an instrument, or stereo, or something else loosely related to music. I know it doesn't look like much to me either haha (Sheet music).
But now I see they're built up around a theme, whereas my analysis of Dr. H took parts from all over the wiki. This'll help if I play a clue game like this again though. :p
The one thing I need to say is: the plans. If its too good to be true it probably is. Notice how nobody was opposing the plan. If the plan was so good for town and was supposed to net a mafia, why was there absolutely [i]no[i] opposition to it? When you see a situation like this, take a step back and ask yourself if you're on the right track. Chances are, if nobody is opposing you, you're not.
you could theoretically say that the mafia knew that the plan would eventually go through, would succeed, and they would sacrifice one mafia in exchange for keeping the second one hidden.
the fact nobody spoke out against darm's plan isn't an automatic sign it is bad, or even that node is mafia.
assume node was not mafia. it would still be in the mafia's interest to not attempt to change the plan, since they would know the success of convincing someone off of darm's plan -- especially with no one probably able to come up with a better one -- is almost nil, and if they speak out against it, once it nets a mafia, now they are exposed.
The biggest thing I learned from this game is mafia doesn't need to do anything to make town go into a self destruct mode. It was amazing watching this from mafia perspective.
My first finished mafia game ever, I learned a lot.
1. cubedin reacting crazily doesn't mean he's mafia. 2. town are sheep 3. don't look too much into clues, i really thought i had it with the Q clues 4. town aligned players tend to talk a lot more than mafia. 5. Be very suspicious when there aren't very many reactions to a plan (like my plan to determine mafia with the puzzle).
On February 10 2011 10:00 darmousseh wrote: My first finished mafia game ever, I learned a lot.
1. cubedin reacting crazily doesn't mean he's mafia. 2. town are sheep 3. don't look too much into clues, i really thought i had it with the Q clues 4. town aligned players tend to talk a lot more than mafia. 5. Be very suspicious when there aren't very many reactions to a plan (like my plan to determine mafia with the puzzle).
You should have seen it from my vantage point. Neither GMarshall nor Node were presented with a serious lynch scenario.
On February 10 2011 10:00 darmousseh wrote: My first finished mafia game ever, I learned a lot.
1. cubedin reacting crazily doesn't mean he's mafia. 2. town are sheep 3. don't look too much into clues, i really thought i had it with the Q clues 4. town aligned players tend to talk a lot more than mafia. 5. Be very suspicious when there aren't very many reactions to a plan (like my plan to determine mafia with the puzzle).
But once again, not always entirely true. They can still do things like constructive behavioral analysis in the thread, but on someone who isn't actually mafia.
Hence, the "more" true. Mafia aligned players tend to be more wishy/washy in their speech, but certain in their votes. (Read: The players who are vote-switching like crazy are usually town)
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