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On February 02 2011 07:35 darmousseh wrote:
Dang I think we are looking at these clues all wrong. Something else has got to give. Something tells me that there is a high likelihood that we are going to accidentally lynch green simply because the clues are getting us nowhere.
That's why I'm saying lynch Kenpachi...look at his posts...
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On February 02 2011 07:03 chaoser wrote:I'm horrible with clues, especially this one since I have no idea where to start. That's why I'm doing more analysis of posts and why I voted Node even though there weren't anything in the clues that talked about him. And that why I'd prefer Kenpachi to be lynched given my read through of his posts. If i had to pick between Dr.H and Cube though, I'd pick Dr. H just cause of the semi connection he has to Kenpachi. If he flips red, we probably have our last mafia. The idea that Jackal's death was bussed is still very much in my head. The way I see it happening is like this. Wiggles and Node provide really solid analysis of the clues and the mafia, seeing that he'd probably get lynched, jumped first to bus him before any townie could vote for him. When he flipped Red, the first person (Dr. H) could always fall back on "why would I bus my own teammate day 1 when no one else had voted for him yet" even though in reality, he was already on the chopping block, mafia just wanted to seem pro town. With Kenpachi's little remarks about how Dr. H is the most pro-town, people would start to think, yeah, maybe he IS pro town and not mafia at all. If you notice, wiggles, node, and shann already put a lot of pressure on Jackal already in the beginning. Dr. H was too busy talking about pandas and whether they eat people or not and all of a sudden busts out with this: Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does. when his previous posts had all been talking about pandas with Pandain and darmousseh
I've never liked this notion of "bust out" or "out of nowhere"
I'm not the kind of player (anymore) that tells everyone what I'm thinking all the time. if I think someone might be mafia I wait and watch them post more before I say anything. Usually I have a very strong suspicion by day 1 that I'm silent about if I feel the lynch won't go there and I refuse to talk about my thoughts at night unless I think they're really relevant.
It doesn't make any sense. If I posted the entirety of my thought process up into thinking Jackal was the best lynch then I'd just be spamming the thread.
As far as being able to fall back on the bus, I can't do that without being a hypocrite. It's well known that I love bussing. In HP mafia I bussed LSB day 1. In a mini mafia game (i think ran by artanis) I seriously considered bussing my teammate even though i only had one.
If you can tell me how my posting behavior is anti-town or pro-scum please do, but I'm fairly certain you'd have a difficult time doing that. I just try to avoid the poor habits that TL towns have and the rest of you honestly should follow suit. When this game is over I'll talk more about that. I don't like the demanding climate of TL towns and being frustrated about it is part of why I kinda lost a lot of interest in mafia. I'm a player now that likes to post in bursts. I watch the thread quietly and I don't say anything until I have a lot to say.
I dumped Pandain for Jackal for a number of reasons:
a. pandain is always the most suspicious townie for numerous reasons such as always lying about his role (pretending to be blue when he's green), being extremely wishy washy, etc.
b. i never accused him of being mafia i simply said it was stupid to assume he can't be connected to the day 1 clues.
c. jackal fit the clues better
d. jackal's posting was scummier
I voted for him for the same reasons the rest of you did. This is a WIFOM argument. Stating that it's possible a mafia would vote for Jackal is fine and people should be well aware of that. I am not cleared because I helped get Jackal lynched even more so because I did so later. But it is not an accusation and it would appear absurd on a list of reasons why I would be suspected of being mafia.
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First of all, i have a legitimate reason to defend DrH
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On February 02 2011 05:38 chaoser wrote:If you want me to take a stance, here's my stance: I think Kenpachi hasn't contributed jack shit. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2011 13:04 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 12:39 LSB wrote:
And at that moment, the wall collapsed onto LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel.
Sounds like a move by Gaara. If you dont know, Gravel is like sand and where is gaara from!? Sand Village On January 29 2011 13:07 Kenpachi wrote:
Plus, The way Gaara uses his powers is to crush his victims with sand BUT THEN,that doesnt match with little bloodshed because its a very messy power.
a clue we should look at is the bloodstained note. On January 29 2011 13:08 Kenpachi wrote:
if there are random splotches of blood though, im sure Gaara is our prime suspect. Rambles on about Gaara Hey i didnt understand the other clues but Gaara can be inferred to be the killer at this scene.. But Killer is singular so he isnt the killer anymore as Jackal flipped Mafia. Plus, I said that right after LSB posted the Day post. I was using my polished narutard knowledge to give my insight+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2011 13:23 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote:
Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear.
I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong. If im not mistaken, they also eat meat On January 29 2011 13:47 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 13:43 GMarshal wrote:
Just a random thought as I read through the different Wikipedia articles, Kenpachi Zaraki is a ship captain (Naval operations?), also IIRC the whole of Bleach had something to do with pirates (I haven't read the manga or seen the anime so if I am mistaken about that then forgive me) nope. Im a Shinigami that likes to massacre people for the heck of it. Just responds to people's statements/makes non committal statements of his own. eh :lShow nested quote +On January 30 2011 09:54 Kenpachi wrote:
aw.. am not sure which one to vote for Jackal or darmousseh. Theyre the strongest suspects imo and i just remembered i wear an eyepatch (pirate) LOL Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 09:55 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote darmousseh
I mentioned the gravel first so ill stick to you Votes darmousseh solely on the gravel thing, giving the shitty reason of "I mentioned it first" Why not+ Show Spoiler +On January 31 2011 11:25 Kenpachi wrote:
DrH On January 31 2011 11:27 Kenpachi wrote:
I would believe DrH is townie this game and he would probably not have martyred Jackal if he was Mafia so yea Medic should protect DrH Tells medic to save you Yea? he was the first to push for Jackal's death[ + Show Spoiler +QUOTE]On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote:
Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O
On February 01 2011 11:32 Kenpachi wrote:
It looks like a movement in Beethoven's conerto No 5. The Main theme in Movement 1 is similar to the first line of the sheet
Talks about the music sheet even though LSB said it didn't matter
I talked about it BEFORE he said it wasnt important. ~_~ And i didnt know what red herring was but i looked it up after pandain said red herring and i dont think i talked aobut it after that.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 01 2011 11:36 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:35 darmousseh wrote:On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote:
Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O Nice, the song listed is not the song pictured, but I don't think that is important. I've played that song before. then tell us!! On February 01 2011 11:46 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:40 LSB wrote:On February 01 2011 11:39 darmousseh wrote:On February 01 2011 11:36 Kenpachi wrote:On February 01 2011 11:35 darmousseh wrote:On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote:
Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O Nice, the song listed is not the song pictured, but I don't think that is important. I've played that song before. then tell us!! No i mean i played the song that was listed in the picture at the top, not the song from the clue  I will try to figure it out though. It's a random etude, the actual song itself is unimportant then in this case, DrH is the only one related to music. I think this is way too obvious and the killer must have listened to the etude or something On February 01 2011 12:03 Kenpachi wrote:
That alien that died i think is the Yossarian..
Random stuff/Defends you
What im not allowed to give my answers or thoughts?
If TL mods were looking at his posting history he'd be banned with the number of one liners he has. I'm more scummy than that? Get out of here
Yes you are[/QUOTE]
##vote Chaoser
brb after an hour or so
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On February 02 2011 07:36 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:35 darmousseh wrote:
Dang I think we are looking at these clues all wrong. Something else has got to give. Something tells me that there is a high likelihood that we are going to accidentally lynch green simply because the clues are getting us nowhere. That's why I'm saying lynch Kenpachi...look at his posts...
another reason I think you're mafia
kenpachi is always the easiest lynch. I won't beat around the bush, in my honest opinion Kenpachi is the worst player of mafia that plays on a regular basis by far. He has an incredibly scummy and stupid way of playing town. I'll look back and see if there is actually good reason to suspect him.
If it's just his usual wishy washy, non contributive, asking stupid questions self then I say it's a cold lynch until there is a hard clue connection.
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I'm not the kind of player (anymore) that tells everyone what I'm thinking all the time. if I think someone might be mafia I wait and watch them post more before I say anything. Usually I have a very strong suspicion by day 1 that I'm silent about if I feel the lynch won't go there and I refuse to talk about my thoughts at night unless I think they're really relevant.
Same logic as me then? That's pretty much what I did, or my thought process that caused me to not post more on Day 1.
I'd rather lynch Kenpachi over you, that's what I'm saying. If i had to pick btw you and Cube, I really don't know anymore at this point especially after reading what LSB said about inactives.
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On February 02 2011 05:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
your posts are the scummiest besides cubedin
you don't contribute anything or weigh in on what we're talking about with any weight and just pop up to question your accuser
i'm not 100% sold but if tomorrow there is any connection to you, you're getting lynched I didn't think what's his name, Carlos, was mafia. I thought the clues were too easy but everyone was so gung ho about it and I wasn't 100% sure myself so I didn't say anything. After he flipped red the only people i'm pretty sure aren't mafia are wiggles, shann and node now just cause they were so quick to jump on Jackal. You'll probably somehow tie me to the clues like you tried to do today. I mean, bridge? to a magic set? really? That's not even part of Catcher in the Rye... =p I still don't trust you cause this could all be some big mafia ploy which i wouldn't put past you.
It's as good of a connection as the House of Cards radiohead song, if not better. More so because the exact quote I stated appears in the wikipedia article.
We can only assume FOR SURE that LSB has read the wikipedia articles linked in the OP post. Anything appearing in those articles or referenced therin is fair grounds for clue connection. Going outside of that is erring on the side of speculation. The bridge quote was within the Holden Caulfield wikipedia article. Whether or not it was in Catcher in the Rye is irrelevant. You linked to Holden Caulfield NOT Catcher In The Rye.
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Then vote for me. Since you're so sure/think i'm mafia. Put your money where your mouth is.
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On February 02 2011 05:53 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 02 2011 03:02 CubEdIn wrote:
Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo. chainsaw defense doesn't directly defend himself but focuses on his bad campaign uses the classic "im so sure im green/when i flip green you'll be sorry" which makes wishy washy players doubt classic and obvious Yet, when I did that in the other games, I always turned out town. Go figure. Also, It's not chainsaw defense. I'm defending myself by saying that the way he is tying clues to Raiden is [way] more far-fetched then the ones pointing at DrH. And you can go defend yourself, you can say that they're not related, but if you try to turn it on me, then you better have some very good reasons to do so. Basically, you're turning it on me because I voted for you. That's all. You have no other reason other than "you're playing badly", and I'm playing badly, not because I stretched out on the clues analysis like your buddy, but because there's no possible way I'm town? Really? That's the reasoning? I don't mind it when people defend themselves, but when they do that by trying to turn it around on whoever FoSed them, it's a sign of scum. Sad part is, people probably won't consider you as a target even after I flip green, so you don't have much to fear anyway. I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. You really think that if I was scum, my partners wouldn't PMed me or something? Anyway, LSB could just like that song OR that movie and thought it was obscure enough to use it as a clue. The fact that it's right there in your face when you google for apocalypse now radiohead, is too much of a coincidence. I'm sorry, it just is. And couple that with the music sheet, house of cards, it points to you more than it points to ANYONE ELSE in this game. And trust me, I looked. And I'm saying that, if the only other option that town found was that they point to motherf*ing RAIDEN, GOD OF THUNDER \o/, then the town deserves to lose. ^_^ And yeah, I'm a radiohead fan, not a "hardcore" one, but I don't see what that has to do with the game.
If the game ends and it turns out you are green as well I'd like you to think long and hard about why your clue analysis was terrible.
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On February 02 2011 07:44 chaoser wrote:
Then vote for me. Since you're so sure/think i'm mafia. Put your money where your mouth is.
Why would I vote for you when I'm more sure about CubEdIn? Cool defense.
I'll vote for you tomorrow.
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kenpachi is always the easiest lynch. I won't beat around the bush, in my honest opinion Kenpachi is the worst player of mafia that plays on a regular basis by far. He has an incredibly scummy and stupid way of playing town. I'll look back and see if there is actually good reason to suspect him.
If it's just his usual wishy washy, non contributive, asking stupid questions self then I say it's a cold lynch until there is a hard clue connection.
BTW, that's a horrible excuse/defense. "He's a bad player"? Really? That's your go to plan to defend him? You'll go back and see if there's a good reason to suspect him? I already compiled all his posts into one post. Why don't you go look at that now? Should take you 15 minutes right?
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Alright, well I gotta do some work and I think there's been enough said for today. I am going to vote now just in case I get distracted by the other mafia game and the conversation is going nowhere right now. If anyone finds any other possible clues I will help research into them more, just send me a pm.
##Vote: CubEdIn
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I'm not defending him I'm saying his post history is inconclusive. It doesn't incriminate him as mafia because that's the way he usually posts. I did just read it. It's Kenpachi being Kenpachi.
I wouldn't say "Pandain is mafia becuase he pretended to be a mad hatter" because he always does shit like that when he's town. If annul lied about his role then I would tell people.
Kenpachi is acting like Kenpachi. I hate having players like him in the game because he's so bad at the game it's really difficult to read him. That's why I don't want to lynch him. Nothing he said was scummy when you put it in the context of how he plays. He always posts like that as town and I don't remember participating in any games where he was mafia. Players like that usually act the same. That's why I said wait until there is a clue connection.
It sounds like you just want to avoid lynching CubEdIn who has both:
poor/scummy post behavior (in the context of his previous games)
clue connections
kenpachi has:
bad posts
but he always does. I don't like to analyse coagulation either because he's always spammy and just says irrelevant shit. He always is quick to accuse someone with bad logic whether he's scum or town. I think it's a pretty simple concept to understand. Go look at all the games where Kenpachi got lynched day 1 for this reasons and how town vowed "never again we accept kenpachi plays in this bad and scummy style as town!" and then lynch him again. He's the obvious target but when you look at the "metagame" (a word I hate to use) it just isn't a strong case. Sorry.
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On February 02 2011 07:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't like to analyze coagulation either because he's always spammy and just says irrelevant shit. He always is quick to accuse someone with bad logic whether he's scum or town..
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On February 02 2011 07:30 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:00 shannn wrote:On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote:
Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Furthormore originally I thought the youtube video was a good find, but its fan made and the other pictures don't relate to him really at all. Finally, on a non-clue standpoint, Dr. H is one of the few people I feel is really pro town. He voted Jackal early, warded me against trying to get someone else lynched, and overall has been pretty pro town.
But actually I think the clues might point to someone else: Q, from Startrek.
The first picture, which says "drop the bomb, exterminate them all." Q in several Star trek episodes, notably "Neverending Trial", said that Humanity should be destroyed. Usually he had a request, "Do this or be destroyed" but the basis is the same.
The second picture, with aliens, well that's pretty obvious. An obviously non human entity is killed by other humans. Note the strange creature is even holding what appears to be a laser gun.
As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.
The fourth picture is obvious as well. A magic card set, and Q can do things which appear as magic.
The fifth picture I believe is the red herring. It was set to cast suspicion most notably upon Dr. H.
I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all. Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me. Everyone who is pointing their suspicion towards me is a suspect of being mafia. Why you ask? Simply because if I were to follow your own post I'd have this. On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote:
Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.
Except it really doesn't. Like last day really didn't fit you at all, besides that they both killed people/were bad. It fit Jackal like a key, and so does this day. And you could defend yourself every day, even if mafia, by saying "Well since my character can do anything, all clues can point towards me." When really they can't. Like the music clue, for instance.
For the music did you forget there is 1 false clue like LSB mentioned.
Q is omnipotent and can do everything in the universe. You mentioned it yourself
As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.
I will repeat this every time. Q can do anything as long as you just make a reason up like you just did about the snow and the footsteps. There is no connection other than I could possibly teleport/hover/turn invisible.
Doesn't this basically applies to the music instance as well? With just any reason how lousy or how good it is like Q can play the piano or Q can become that sheet of paper. Any reason is good enough to fit Q.
Sorry but unless LSB says explicitly NO it's not about Star Trek then I will fit the bill everytime.
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On February 02 2011 05:53 CubEdIn wrote:
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this.
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U posted once after the game started talking about how clues could relate to Raiden.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2011 21:59 CubEdIn wrote:
Hi everyone.
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are:
- loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall
- uses his sword and that's about it
- is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch
- has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general.
Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
Will be back in the evening for more hunting.
Sort of lethargic here, I'll try to post an analysis on Cubed in shortly. Originally I thought he was town, but looking over his posts his play reminds me of mine in Insane mafia, where even if my logic was pretty bad I would stick to it.
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On February 02 2011 07:00 shannn wrote:
I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all.
Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me.
This is very poor reasoning. Granted, Q has the ability to do anything and everything, but the things Pandain pointed out (with the exception of tracks in the snow) have to do more with his character (the things he has said and done) and less with his abilities. For instance, showing an alien creature surrounded by spacemen is a very strong link to Q's character and the experiences he had.
It's WIFOM, but saying "Q can be and do anything" is as much a way for you to deflect suspicion as it is to put it on you.
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Oh yea if I were mafia I'd be saying the same thing now. Because it's that easy having Q as your character.
You're posting very contradictory. First you say that not everything can point to me like that music sheet but then you post something like a picture of tracks in the snow MIGHT be related to me because I can do everything like turning invisible, teleport etc.
Vague post of yours and I am eagerly inclined to see what you will flip at.
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On February 02 2011 08:25 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:00 shannn wrote:
I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all.
Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me.
This is very poor reasoning. Granted, Q has the ability to do anything and everything, but the things Pandain pointed out (with the exception of tracks in the snow) have to do more with his character (the things he has said and done) and less with his abilities. For instance, showing an alien creature surrounded by spacemen is a very strong link to Q's character and the experiences he had. It's WIFOM, but saying "Q can be and do anything" is as much a way for you to deflect suspicion as it is to put it on you.
True but I'm not saying that I am the perfect match or best match at all times.I am saying that I am able to fit all of those and fit all of those clues. Else everyone would be suspecting me 
Every clue can point to me but it doesn't mean I'm always the best matched. Look at DrH. He has a suspicion that I might be mafia but Carlos at day 1 fits him better. This is why it's easy to target me as mafia. It doesn't have to be perfect just a link should be good enough. Which is my entire point.
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On February 02 2011 08:19 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:53 CubEdIn wrote:
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this.
. ???? U posted once after the game started talking about how clues could relate to Raiden. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2011 21:59 CubEdIn wrote:
Hi everyone.
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are:
- loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall
- uses his sword and that's about it
- is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch
- has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general.
Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
Will be back in the evening for more hunting.
Sort of lethargic here, I'll try to post an analysis on Cubed in shortly. Originally I thought he was town, but looking over his posts his play reminds me of mine in Insane mafia, where even if my logic was pretty bad I would stick to it.
well he's just lying
something only mafia need to do
one reason you shoudl stop doing it allt he time
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How the heck am I lying. It took me like 1 minute to come up with all three clues, and I posted. The video is there first page, my only fault was that I did not check the original OST of the movie.
And to me, that's still a dumb reason as to why it can't be a clue. Please.
Basically, you're thinking that I was mafia and I did the follwing:
1. Hmm... music sheet, I could incriminate DrH
2. Cards... well, radiohead must have a song with cards... House of cards, awesome.
3. Now, if there would only be a way to tie up something else to him... let's see.. these guys said the picture is from Apocalypse now... Gee, I sure hope that if I Google Apocalypse now Radiohead there will be a freaking music clip there on the first page!. OH LUCKY ME!
That's absurd.
If you guys don't think these are reasonable clues, FINE.
If you guys think the clues better point to Raiden, FINE.
But don't fking say I'm a bad player and I suck @ town because I found actual relations from the clues to one of the profiles.
None of my clues are nearly as bad as the ones pointing at raiden. None.
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