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On January 26 2011 21:06 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 20:57 Nemesis wrote:On January 26 2011 14:33 LunarDestiny wrote: But if Kav tells town about how many SK are there, it will help mafia as well.
If Kav only checks mafia every night, then it will only benefit town and SK. But I doubt SK threatens town more than mafia threatens town. And how will that help mafia as well? Mafia can already guess the number of SK's from the # of KP per night. It will also tell them the # of vigis we have.
That's not really an issue in this game. Vigilantes get to fire a shot once per game.
That means that if Mafia doesn't hit a Vig before he fires, then it's useless to kill them afterwards, as they used up their power.
So yeah, they could maybe tell that a Vigilante did use their power, but it's useless information if you ask me.
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On January 25 2011 05:22 LSB wrote: d3_crescentia will be replacing Pandain. Deconduo will be replacing DoctorHelvetica
Everyone say HI D3! and HI Deconduo! In the OP it states d3 replaced DrH, and Deconduo replaced Pandain. So is the above post or the OP correct?
I'm still trying to work my way through the thread. Lol at people posting nonsense making us lose DrH...
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On January 26 2011 21:12 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 21:06 Jackal58 wrote:On January 26 2011 20:57 Nemesis wrote:On January 26 2011 14:33 LunarDestiny wrote: But if Kav tells town about how many SK are there, it will help mafia as well.
If Kav only checks mafia every night, then it will only benefit town and SK. But I doubt SK threatens town more than mafia threatens town. And how will that help mafia as well? Mafia can already guess the number of SK's from the # of KP per night. It will also tell them the # of vigis we have. That's not really an issue in this game. Vigilantes get to fire a shot once per game. That means that if Mafia doesn't hit a Vig before he fires, then it's useless to kill them afterwards, as they used up their power. So yeah, they could maybe tell that a Vigilante did use their power, but it's useless information if you ask me. My bad. I read that as once per night.
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If the SK and mafia hit the same person, what would the KP show(would any of them get to repick taargets, i know vig's ability is saved)? The mafia would already knows the number of SK anyways(vigs can't hit on night 1), like Nemesis pointed out. But if above scenario happens, it might mislead the town's further decisions/actions.
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On January 26 2011 13:19 Kavdragon wrote: BrownBear: I'm really confused that you went along with Bum's RNG plan as long as you did. You've played a lot and from what I've seen and heard, you should have seen the problems with that plan. At the same time, if you were scum, I think your are experienced enough to have seen that it would be immediately discarded, so that doesn't make sense either.
To be fair, I didn't "go along with it" for a long time. I posted one post being like "eh, whatever, here's a number", then was away for the rest of the day. Hope that answers your questions.
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On January 26 2011 15:15 LunarDestiny wrote: Take out Coag. It is futile to analysis him...
Impervious was the most talkative person (maybe behind me) in Don't Lose Your Mafia. So something might not be right. He did only become talkative after day 1 though. Ya, but I had a read on someone at that point. I was somewhat right, too, if you recall.
At the moment, I've got nothing, and I'm still not even 100% convinced that the mayor isn't mafia himself.....
Just lurking so far.
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On January 26 2011 16:03 LunarDestiny wrote: When I say "took out," I meant take him out of the list of suspects because Coag acts like this every game.
Sorry, didn't mean this as a suspect list, just as a list of people who need to post more.
On January 26 2011 19:54 CubEdIn wrote: Kav, why Beneather? I get GMarshal, but what was your reasoning for the second BG pick? I think it's important that we know, and I didn't see an explanation or him volunteering. I might have missed it, in which case I'm sorry, but I do believe it's crucial information.
Beneather was the first inactive I found through random clicking on the signup list. Not the optimal selection process, but I had about 60 sec to pick.
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If mason recruits scum do all in that circle die? I've seen that set up in other games and wondered if that's a standard practice?
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On January 26 2011 23:42 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 16:03 LunarDestiny wrote: When I say "took out," I meant take him out of the list of suspects because Coag acts like this every game. Sorry, didn't mean this as a suspect list, just as a list of people who need to post more. Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 19:54 CubEdIn wrote: Kav, why Beneather? I get GMarshal, but what was your reasoning for the second BG pick? I think it's important that we know, and I didn't see an explanation or him volunteering. I might have missed it, in which case I'm sorry, but I do believe it's crucial information.
Beneather was the first inactive I found through random clicking on the signup list. Not the optimal selection process, but I had about 60 sec to pick.
Mkay.
I was asking because you soon after made a strong point about bumatlarge. I'm not denying that bumatlarge seemed scummy, I even said so earlier on, but it looked odd, considering you had power over the first lynch, AND you would like Mafia as BGs, that you neither killed or picked bum as a BG, and instead made a case against him so the town have to use a lynch.
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On January 26 2011 23:54 Jackal58 wrote: If mason recruits scum do all in that circle die? I've seen that set up in other games and wondered if that's a standard practice? That was a special setup. No mason doesn't die unless it's specified.
RoL (I think) gave the way to act as mason: Recruit someone you think is town and treat them like they are mafia.
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If you have a role specific question please ask it in PM.
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So, it's night time now. Is there anything to do for town other than trying to break down inconsistencies in what people are saying and try to identify them as scum?
@kav your analysis seemed good, he is making a ton of confusing posts.
Without any clues it's kinda boring right now.
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Well, for one thing, there was a major emphasis on "black" during the lynching post, even though that was specifically stated to not contain any clues.....
Maybe this whole "black" theme is wrong?
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On January 26 2011 21:30 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 05:22 LSB wrote: d3_crescentia will be replacing Pandain. Deconduo will be replacing DoctorHelvetica
Everyone say HI D3! and HI Deconduo! In the OP it states d3 replaced DrH, and Deconduo replaced Pandain. So is the above post or the OP correct?
I mixed it up, but for all intents and purposes take the OP as the final word on matters like this. There haven't been any clues since then, so it has had no bearing on the game.
On January 26 2011 23:54 Jackal58 wrote: If mason recruits scum do all in that circle die?
Nope.
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On January 27 2011 02:36 Impervious wrote: Well, for one thing, there was a major emphasis on "black" during the lynching post, even though that was specifically stated to not contain any clues.....
Maybe this whole "black" theme is wrong?
I'm starting to think the whole [black]black[/black] thing is just to throw us off and give us something to be distracted by. I think focusing on black will do more harm than good in the long term, although it seems like it is related to something.
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On January 27 2011 02:49 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 02:36 Impervious wrote: Well, for one thing, there was a major emphasis on "black" during the lynching post, even though that was specifically stated to not contain any clues.....
Maybe this whole "black" theme is wrong? I'm starting to think the whole [black]black[/black] thing is just to throw us off and give us something to be distracted by. I think focusing on black will do more harm than good in the long term, although it seems like it is related to something.
haha messed up on the bolding. black. I really need to start previewing all of my posts all of the time.
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ill elaborate more when im on a piece of technology that will actually do what i tell it to.
before monday bum: OK 3 candidates (i missed replacements like a genius), town is alright because kav did run before roles, and town can still win with good clue hunting and analysis.
after monday bum: holy shit. It would be very hard for town to win with scum mayor, and there are only two candidates. Everyone is disccussing BGs instead... I better bring this to light. Oh look 3 hours left it doesn't matter what I do.
I think thats my reasoning in a nutshell. Things I didnt put together: Dr.H could have been scum candidate, but he didnt generate much hype from anybody. Also Kav is keeping the accusation based on what pertains to the immediate FoS, and I believe a mafiaso mayor would have bagged some clues and more specifics to my analysis to try to nail a 2nd lynch. It seems kav is willing to believe me if I provide the correct arguement, which is good for town, becuase you and I can tbe more prone to trust him more, and we can avoid a very bad mislynch.
I suggest we put our coins in kavs korner. Meds should prot the BGs, as it gives us the best shot at winning for now. ill be around later to go more in depth and answer questions.
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On January 27 2011 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If you have a role specific question please ask it in PM. I had an ulterior motive. If it was set up that way would have been a good way to check alignment of our mayor and his bodyguards.
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On January 27 2011 02:25 darmousseh wrote: Without any clues it's kinda boring right now. This game is about analyzing, and clues are an addition to that. Don't think that the town can win this on clues, cause it can't. We need everyone to step up and analyze others. This includes you.
Also, the first post contained "a whole batch of clues". I don't know for certain that they point to more than one person, but I would be very surprised if they didn't. That first post can still be analysed for clues pointing to others. It's still possible that ON wasn't hinted at for all we know..
On January 27 2011 03:08 bumatlarge wrote: I suggest we put our coins in kavs korner. Meds should prot the BGs, as it gives us the best shot at winning for now. ill be around later to go more in depth and answer questions. I dislike this idea, and not because I think you're scummy. Medics shouldn't be given a strong direction for who to heal. The obvious choices are people who look very town, and BG's. But if we decide who they should heal, the mafia won't have to.
So my advice is to protect whoever you think needs protecting. Make the mafia go into circles of wifom about who they should or shouldn't attack, and chances are they'll ignore both.
On January 26 2011 22:51 BrownBear wrote: To be fair, I didn't "go along with it" for a long time. I posted one post being like "eh, whatever, here's a number", then was away for the rest of the day. Hope that answers your questions. Meh. Like I said, I was just confuse by the play.
On January 27 2011 00:02 CubEdIn wrote: I was asking because you soon after made a strong point about bumatlarge. I'm not denying that bumatlarge seemed scummy, I even said so earlier on, but it looked odd, considering you had power over the first lynch, AND you would like Mafia as BGs, that you neither killed or picked bum as a BG, and instead made a case against him so the town have to use a lynch. The reason that I killed ON was because I said I would. If I had changed that at the last second, people wouldn't have liked it. The easiest way for the mafia to kill me is to get me lynched, and I'd hate to give them a reason to push for that. I considered making the my BG's, but kitaman had previously said that BB as BG was a bad idea, and I didn't want to change how I chose the BG's last second. If you look, I did try to see if the town would let me lynch Bum instead, but not enough people checked in before it happened, so i stuck with the choice that everyone agreed with.
@Bum: I've read your defense, and to be honest don't believe yet, but i'm not your judge, the town is. They will decide if it's believable or not. I would like you to explain the first half of my analysis though, as it had nothing to do with the RNG mayor posts.
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Sure the game is about analyzing, but before the first kills/night actions it's hard to actually analyse anything imo. There will be much more discussion to do once the first night is over
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