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On February 09 2011 12:53 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh, and on the topic of Divinek, I'm willing to bet that his name comes from the song "The divine suicide of K" off the album Kezia. Kezia being the album that he uses for his profile pic. I've searched around on wikipedia, but haven't found much. That being said, I'm not the best at seeing the connections in clues (see: beneather's "stary night" clue), so someone else might want to look into this.
That is exactly where I get my name from! I find it funny when people read it as Div-in-ek instead of divine k, but i cant blame them it does read as a full word.
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On February 09 2011 12:44 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 12:36 Kenpachi wrote:On February 02 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Well, before things get out of hand, hold this open can of worms for me.
I am a detective
Night 1: kitaman27 is Medic
Night 2: Beneather is Vanilla Town
Night 3: LunarDestiny is [black]Serial Killer[/black] Second medic protect this guy. Out of curiosity, why did you assume that there was a second medic?
From my experiences, games with a lot of people tend to have 2 or more medics. usually 2. Based on the info bum gave us, kita was a medic but we dont know that now that we know that bum was scum
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Ftlog if we have another medic, protect kav.
Most likely we won’t have any more census after tonight, and our original plan of just hitting 1 out of 2 mafia is screwed. We are still pretty well off however, usually it’s 5 town vs 2 mafia, but now we are 8. We also don’t start from a blank day 1.
But this limits our information going forward. We won’t know if we hit red or green, until we see if we won or lost when only 4 players remain.
This also means our best source of information, probably for the rest of the game, is the Bum lynch. During this cycle we hit red, and we hit them hard. Some behaviour changes are bound to have occurred. I suggest everyone read over people’s posts during that time (doesn’t take that long), and try to look at what people said and did.
Here is my summary:
People who pushed for LD lynch
DivineK
CubedIN
BrownBear
People who ignored SK/DT debate
Impervious (argued we had scummy mayor instead)
Kenpachi (disappeared from thread, but changed vote)
People who argued against immediate LD lynch
Darmousseh
Kavdragon
Jackal85
People who caught up on Bum’s DT checklist slip:
Barundar
Zzeroth
KavDragon
Changes after Kav’s analysis of bum:
Impervious now thinks Kav is town.
BrownBear gets convinced on Bum.
After LD admit:
Impervious argues against LD lynch
Cubed argues for lynching LD and vigs hit Bum/Beneather
Divinek calls people sheeps for switching to Bum.
BrownBear produces analysis of Darmousseh
Obviously the scum indicator is to push for LD lynch. DivineK and Cubed stands out to me in this regard. To a lesser degree Impervious, Kenpachi and BrownBear had some suspicious activity. A bunch of people show as town: Zzeroth (came up with Beneather clue analysis), Darmousseh, Jackal85, Kavdragon.
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Yeah but you're failing to state that I pushed for LD lynch before knowing for sure that bum and beneather are scum.
And that in all my arguments, I stated that we should kill all three of them.
I later agreed with Kav that if we have 100% confirmation on all three, it was wiser to use LD to kill one mafia, and thus drop mafia KP to 1 first, and then drop SK KP to 0.
But I guess it's ok to ignore some facts when drawing the line and deciding someone is red.
Through all that chaos I never once said that bum/beneather should get away, just that it was wiser to lynch LD, and have them confirmed during the night. Which is practically what the whole town thought as well (see voting thread).
You're talking about it as if it was something extremely divided, and LD got off at the last second, but soon after bum posted that LD is SK the voting thread was full of "lynch LunarD".
I would rather focus on the ones who voted without participating, rather than the ones who actually made good arguments and try to reason the decision.
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Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him.
Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about.
In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both.
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On February 09 2011 20:27 Barundar wrote:
Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him.
Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about.
In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both.
Definitely both.
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And I'm going to keep saying it until they either shoot me or we lynch them. And then it's game over. Town wins.
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On February 09 2011 20:27 Barundar wrote:
Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him.
Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about.
In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both.
I am suspicious of everyone. Fear not.
I didn't ask anyone to claim (in fact, if you'll read my posts I always advised against claiming), since I was under the impression that there are town circles.
It could also be verified in other ways as well.
And please see PYP mafia to understand why I pushed SK lynch. And if the mods wouldn't have verified him via the PM think, would you have let him kill the person who claimed DT? That's the smart town move?
Are you honestly trying to say that if you had no information on bumatlarge you would've lynched the claimed DT first, because he claimed? Without trying to verify if he's even telling the truth? Or the bodyguard? Which of them was the PRO-TOWN choice?
Maybe you have the 6th sense and realized they were mafia, I didn't.
And I clearly explained my reasoning 10 times over. And most players agreed (like GM and Kav) that it's best to kill SK rather than have him hit one of them.
I'm sure that in retrospect, it's easy to say "you were trying to save scum", but I did no such thing. Go over my posts again if you think so.
And besides, I'll say this again: Me and BrownBear were the only one arguing FOR lynching LunarDestiny, but the thread was full of votes for him. What about the mass that voted for him without even bothering to explain? Why is that irrelevant? There are at least 3-4 people in this game that are just cruising along with 1-2 posts per day. That's not suspicious, right?
And yeah Jackal, I know it's easy, I can do that as well, vote for you at the beginning of the day and then stay out of all town discussions. It's good that everyone is playing along and letting you be, it's not suspicious or anything.
And I get it that you think I'm scum, but how about trying to find more links rather than the day one clue. Statistically speaking, I should have partaken in at least 2-3 of the kills so far, no?
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I'm actually going to say that at this point in the game, I'd be very surprised if a DT was still alive. Or maybe there weren't any DTs in the first place.
Actually, though, by this point for the DTs to have not managed to check a mafia would be absolutely pathetic. I'm guessing they died early.
(note: if you are a DT out there and you know a mafia, CLAIM IT. We need that.)
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On February 09 2011 23:55 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 20:27 Barundar wrote:
Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him.
Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about.
In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both. I am suspicious of everyone. Fear not. I didn't ask anyone to claim (in fact, if you'll read my posts I always advised against claiming), since I was under the impression that there are town circles. It could also be verified in other ways as well. And please see PYP mafia to understand why I pushed SK lynch. And if the mods wouldn't have verified him via the PM think, would you have let him kill the person who claimed DT? That's the smart town move? Are you honestly trying to say that if you had no information on bumatlarge you would've lynched the claimed DT first, because he claimed? Without trying to verify if he's even telling the truth? Or the bodyguard? Which of them was the PRO-TOWN choice? Maybe you have the 6th sense and realized they were mafia, I didn't. And I clearly explained my reasoning 10 times over. And most players agreed (like GM and Kav) that it's best to kill SK rather than have him hit one of them. I'm sure that in retrospect, it's easy to say "you were trying to save scum", but I did no such thing. Go over my posts again if you think so. And besides, I'll say this again: Me and BrownBear were the only one arguing FOR lynching LunarDestiny, but the thread was full of votes for him. What about the mass that voted for him without even bothering to explain? Why is that irrelevant? There are at least 3-4 people in this game that are just cruising along with 1-2 posts per day. That's not suspicious, right? And yeah Jackal, I know it's easy, I can do that as well, vote for you at the beginning of the day and then stay out of all town discussions. It's good that everyone is playing along and letting you be, it's not suspicious or anything. And I get it that you think I'm scum, but how about trying to find more links rather than the day one clue. Statistically speaking, I should have partaken in at least 2-3 of the kills so far, no?
I read your posts, did you? And yeah people including myself voted for lunar, since it was clear he was anti town, but we kept the possibility of using ld open. Question was on who, not if it was a possibility. Even after it was clear that bum and beneather was scum, you and divenek pushed on for lynching LD. Kav and coag led the votes on bum/beneather, 1 is dead and the other is soon to be. Mafia didnt bus their own, town did. But mafia wouldnt let 2 of them die without a fight if they didn't bus them themselves. Only 2 people did keep trying to divert the lynch to LD, you and divinek.
Now im willing to believe one of you could be a misguided town. But not both of you. Hence you both need to die.
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I'm gonna leave now, don't know if I'll be back 'till nightfall.
@Kav: don't forget about census, just in case you're gonna live through the night.
I'm not gonna tell you what to do with it, but I think checking red is best, unless you have other plans and whatnot.
I'm gonna vote for Imperv mostly because of the horse->heroin connection, and also because I kinda trust Kav (if he's red, town lost anyway).
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On February 10 2011 03:27 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 23:55 CubEdIn wrote:On February 09 2011 20:27 Barundar wrote:
Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him.
Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about.
In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both. I am suspicious of everyone. Fear not. I didn't ask anyone to claim (in fact, if you'll read my posts I always advised against claiming), since I was under the impression that there are town circles. It could also be verified in other ways as well. And please see PYP mafia to understand why I pushed SK lynch. And if the mods wouldn't have verified him via the PM think, would you have let him kill the person who claimed DT? That's the smart town move? Are you honestly trying to say that if you had no information on bumatlarge you would've lynched the claimed DT first, because he claimed? Without trying to verify if he's even telling the truth? Or the bodyguard? Which of them was the PRO-TOWN choice? Maybe you have the 6th sense and realized they were mafia, I didn't. And I clearly explained my reasoning 10 times over. And most players agreed (like GM and Kav) that it's best to kill SK rather than have him hit one of them. I'm sure that in retrospect, it's easy to say "you were trying to save scum", but I did no such thing. Go over my posts again if you think so. And besides, I'll say this again: Me and BrownBear were the only one arguing FOR lynching LunarDestiny, but the thread was full of votes for him. What about the mass that voted for him without even bothering to explain? Why is that irrelevant? There are at least 3-4 people in this game that are just cruising along with 1-2 posts per day. That's not suspicious, right? And yeah Jackal, I know it's easy, I can do that as well, vote for you at the beginning of the day and then stay out of all town discussions. It's good that everyone is playing along and letting you be, it's not suspicious or anything. And I get it that you think I'm scum, but how about trying to find more links rather than the day one clue. Statistically speaking, I should have partaken in at least 2-3 of the kills so far, no? I read your posts, did you? And yeah people including myself voted for lunar, since it was clear he was anti town, but we kept the possibility of using ld open. Question was on who, not if it was a possibility. Even after it was clear that bum and beneather was scum, you and divenek pushed on for lynching LD. Kav and coag led the votes on bum/beneather, 1 is dead and the other is soon to be. Mafia didnt bus their own, town did. But mafia wouldnt let 2 of them die without a fight if they didn't bus them themselves. Only 2 people did keep trying to divert the lynch to LD, you and divinek. Now im willing to believe one of you could be a misguided town. But not both of you. Hence you both need to die.
What are you talking about. I always said that if town wants to use LD I'm in.
You're blaming me again for not changing my vote during the last 3 hours of the day? I posted like once and went to sleep after bum was "confirmed". I didn't push squat.
This was the only post after confirmation of bum:
On February 04 2011 07:00 CubEdIn wrote:
SK cannot be role-blocked.
And if you were RB last night, it only means that bum & beneather are scum, and that's how they figured out LD was SK.
That makes it easier. Lynch LD tonight, vets, kill bum & beneather.
EZ PZ.
How is that pushing? How was I to know everyone would change their vote, and I'd get blamed for not playing along?
Why would we not get rid or both ld and scum if we had vigs? And how would I know (even if I were mafia) that we had no vigs? Nobody claimed to be a vigilante and there were no extra KPs that could be unexplained, so it made sense that vigs would still have their power (had they been alive).
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On February 10 2011 03:27 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm gonna leave now, don't know if I'll be back 'till nightfall.
@Kav: don't forget about census, just in case you're gonna live through the night.
I'm not gonna tell you what to do with it, but I think checking red is best, unless you have other plans and whatnot.
I'm gonna vote for Imperv mostly because of the horse->heroin connection, and also because I kinda trust Kav (if he's red, town lost anyway).
Doesn't this seem a little wierd to anyone else?
I mean, I know I may be viewing it a little differently than I should since it's my own head on the chopping block, but that "connection" is a pretty terrible one to be basing a lynch off of..... We've already proved that with similar types of connections in the past (steel, for instance).
And, seeing as I'm not red, it's not a good move to check reds again.....
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On February 10 2011 03:41 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 03:27 Barundar wrote:On February 09 2011 23:55 CubEdIn wrote:On February 09 2011 20:27 Barundar wrote:
Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him.
Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about.
In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both. I am suspicious of everyone. Fear not. I didn't ask anyone to claim (in fact, if you'll read my posts I always advised against claiming), since I was under the impression that there are town circles. It could also be verified in other ways as well. And please see PYP mafia to understand why I pushed SK lynch. And if the mods wouldn't have verified him via the PM think, would you have let him kill the person who claimed DT? That's the smart town move? Are you honestly trying to say that if you had no information on bumatlarge you would've lynched the claimed DT first, because he claimed? Without trying to verify if he's even telling the truth? Or the bodyguard? Which of them was the PRO-TOWN choice? Maybe you have the 6th sense and realized they were mafia, I didn't. And I clearly explained my reasoning 10 times over. And most players agreed (like GM and Kav) that it's best to kill SK rather than have him hit one of them. I'm sure that in retrospect, it's easy to say "you were trying to save scum", but I did no such thing. Go over my posts again if you think so. And besides, I'll say this again: Me and BrownBear were the only one arguing FOR lynching LunarDestiny, but the thread was full of votes for him. What about the mass that voted for him without even bothering to explain? Why is that irrelevant? There are at least 3-4 people in this game that are just cruising along with 1-2 posts per day. That's not suspicious, right? And yeah Jackal, I know it's easy, I can do that as well, vote for you at the beginning of the day and then stay out of all town discussions. It's good that everyone is playing along and letting you be, it's not suspicious or anything. And I get it that you think I'm scum, but how about trying to find more links rather than the day one clue. Statistically speaking, I should have partaken in at least 2-3 of the kills so far, no? I read your posts, did you? And yeah people including myself voted for lunar, since it was clear he was anti town, but we kept the possibility of using ld open. Question was on who, not if it was a possibility. Even after it was clear that bum and beneather was scum, you and divenek pushed on for lynching LD. Kav and coag led the votes on bum/beneather, 1 is dead and the other is soon to be. Mafia didnt bus their own, town did. But mafia wouldnt let 2 of them die without a fight if they didn't bus them themselves. Only 2 people did keep trying to divert the lynch to LD, you and divinek. Now im willing to believe one of you could be a misguided town. But not both of you. Hence you both need to die. What are you talking about. I always said that if town wants to use LD I'm in. You're blaming me again for not changing my vote during the last 3 hours of the day? I posted like once and went to sleep after bum was "confirmed". I didn't push squat. This was the only post after confirmation of bum: Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 07:00 CubEdIn wrote:
SK cannot be role-blocked.
And if you were RB last night, it only means that bum & beneather are scum, and that's how they figured out LD was SK.
That makes it easier. Lynch LD tonight, vets, kill bum & beneather.
EZ PZ. How is that pushing? How was I to know everyone would change their vote, and I'd get blamed for not playing along? Why would we not get rid or both ld and scum if we had vigs? And how would I know (even if I were mafia) that we had no vigs? Nobody claimed to be a vigilante and there were no extra KPs that could be unexplained, so it made sense that vigs would still have their power (had they been alive). ...
Oh i agree divinek's behavior is more suspecious. But you don't really take that into consideration, or post your thoughts on him do you? All you do is just repeat yourself over and over, saying you are innocent.
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Yeah, I'll say that for my part, I'm more interested in what you think of Divinek, than your defense.
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Ya, the more I read into his posting, the more I'm starting to agree with Jackal.....
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I haven't posted thoughts on anyone, actually.
Throughout the game, I have suspected a lot of people who later on died. GMarshal was one of my prime suspects, actually, especially due to some things in the first part of the game. Then, I looked into Coagulation, Kenpachi, but compared to the other games they're just behaving normally. (Kenpachi has a gift for looking scummy btw, but I don't think he's scum).
I didn't think that Jackal is scum, I thought it was just tunneling, and I get that you have to try and rattle people in this game. But today when he said that he'll "keep doing that until he dies", mixed with the fact that some people take him for granted makes me think that it's a really really clever way to stay out of focus. He has me to target, and he doesn't have to give any other reasons than the clue. He'll just keep voting me until one of us dies, and only after that he needs to find another target (probably Divinek), and only after THAT, people will find him suspicious, and it might be too late.
(I still agree with the trade, by the way, to get us both lynched, but you seemed to have turned from "trading" to "kill them both and then maybe somewhat consider me". But that's ok. For now.
Kav, I don't trust Kav. I haven't trusted kav since the beginning, but he did seem to help town in some tight spots and he figured out some things by himself (like pointing out bum before he claimed and whatnot). He also seems fishy with things like... he knew the mafia knew he was medic, but he didn't let the town know. Why? And even after the hit on him, he let people go on after clues before saying that he was protecting GM (at least I was trying to find a connection to 'the doctors couldn't help him', when in fact it was a straight-out explanation that he was medic protected but the medic was role-blocked). However, this doesn't matter, at all. If Kav was mafia he was still truthful about census, and his play would've been damn-right perfect. So if he was scum, then town has lost already.
BrownBear - I like him the most, because in many points throughout the game we were pretty much saying the same things, so we somewhat think alike. I was expected to be "paired" with him as mafia, not Divinek, but I see the reasoning there. And due to the fact that I know I'm green, and we posted pretty much the same things, I'll give him a 99% green in my book.
Barundar - I don't know. He poked at me twice during this game, but it seems reasonable. I'm not good at post analysis so I just do/say what I think. I didn't build up an opinion on him, but I was thinking that if he did nail some things on the mafia he'd have been dead a while back. So he might mean well but he hasn't proven as useful as Kav, for example. I would vote for easily if a clue pointed at him though.
Impervious - It's not just the connection, even though it's the ONLY connection that was found in the clue, it's also Kav's post regarding you, and the fact that the town is voting for you. I really don't know who to vote for, but someone has to die, and you're more than a coinflip to me due to the clue. I know it's terrible, I said it's terrible, but it's better than nothing at all. If Kav hadn't had the hunch about you, I would've probably voted for myself tonight.
However, the fact that he only reacted when I voted for him is suspicious. There are what, 4-5 votes on him already, but when I vote for him he switches focus on me? Probably because part from him, I'm most likely to get lynched, so it's the only way out.
As for everyone else, I really don't have any clear thoughts on them. Mostly because they've been quiet, this includes darmousseh. I really don't like his play style, mainly because he bandwagons and FoSs only people who have been FoS-ed before. He's just sitting in a corner, laughing when everyone else is laughing, and tagging along for the ride, but he isn't even trying to bring his own contribution. In fact, the only meaningful contribution was "well, I also pushed cube in mini mafia, and he was town!". Well played there, powerful argument.
So, let's end it with Divinek. I also find him as sort-of a lurker. He doesn't say much, he doesn't do much, he mostly replies when he's being targeted. But the reason I left him for last is that... there are others that do the same. There's no good reason why I would think he is scum just because of that. And if you want me to agree that rooting for LD was scummy, then I would have to admit that what I did/said was scummy as well, which is dumb. If that's your reasoning, then there are three scum in the game left, since BB did the same.
That being said, it's very possible that if the mafia knew there would only be two people left, then they would take different sides. One pushing for LD, someone pushing against LD. That's what I would do in that scenario.
Anyway, bottom line is that I don't really know if Divinek is scummy or not. But I don't think that his push for LD was scummy, so much as his lurking and playing along is. If he'd give out more insight he'd be ok in my book but he never does. So no, I wouldn't even bother coming up with arguments against his lynch, nor would I bother with anyone else part from Kav or BrownBear. Unless someone makes an epic post like Nemesis did, that clears him of all guilt in my eyes.
...boy that was long. Please ask me to detail if I was unclear, because I don't have time to proof-read it. Cheers.
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On February 10 2011 04:43 Impervious wrote:
Ya, the more I read into his posting, the more I'm starting to agree with Jackal.....
Of course you do, who else can you find that the town would consider lynching instead of you?
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On February 10 2011 03:27 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm gonna leave now, don't know if I'll be back 'till nightfall.
And you're gone when?
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Oh right you got me, I posted after I'd said I'd leave, I MUST BE scum!
Fear not, I'm gone for good this time. 
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