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RebirthOfLeGenD
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annul
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my protection is time limited. it was not on LD yet (and LD was told this) because i was going to wait to put it on him until it would affect night cycle, which is what he wanted protection from specifically. yes, he gave me 1 mill in trust to split up with the town if he died. | ||
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perhaps ROL has a redirection ability. this way LD would have to use his kill before gaining "protection" and once he did, he would just be redirected to death anyway. when i was fishing and asked what type of role ROL had, he said "protection... or a form of it." if his item was the vest as he proclaimed, he shouldnt have said "... or a form of it." since "protection" would have been perfectly sufficient. but what is redirection? yeah, a sort of form of protection, yeah. i am essentially permanently protected. if you want to use your kills on me, go ahead. is there really going to be a red role that essentially reads "you cannot die?" once you try to kill me (repeatedly if you must) and see that i do not die, maybe then my blueness will be evident. in fact, i am currently unlynchable as well. or you could go the faster and easier route and just hit ROL for 1. knowing my plan and 2. destroying it, then taking what he knew to scapegoat. ##vote: ROL | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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I said you didn't have to protect him since he had the vest. He died before he got the vest. I can prove that to ANYONE since I still have my vest. Redirection doesn't even make sense as an ability because I can't make contracts that I can't follow through on. I would have to KNOW where a methdealerish role was in order to redirect his kill. On top of that I had only 3 PM's with LD, I didn't know ANY of the details about his kill, or when he was going to do it. I didn't even know who he was considering for a target. I did however know exactly what you were doing, and you knew exactly how to "ruin" my plan because I practically gave you the out Mr. Lawyer. You KNEW he got the vest after attempting the hit, so all you had to do was kill him before he was invincible beyond YOUR control. This is the same shit I did to LSB in HP mafia. In PMLand I let him think I gave him information he could abuse (IE: That I was a DT) but it was to see if I would get hit, sure enough I did that game. This trap I decided to make someone else take the hit because in that game Meapak and Amber failed to follow through on what I told them. I obviously won't. | ||
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Nemesis
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annul
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i think you have a redirection ability (actually, your 2nd mafia probably has it). you knew he would never get the vest since he would only get it once he shot, and when he shot, it would be too late. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Session Start: Sat Jan 08 23:13:39 2011 Session Ident: #brimstone 03[23:13:39] * Now talking in #brimstone 03[23:13:40] * Retrieving #brimstone modes... 03[23:13:43] * Annul sets mode: +s 03[23:16:37] * LunarDestiny (webchat@college9-22-68.resnet.ucsc.edu) has joined #brimstone [23:18:41] <LunarDestiny> test test 00[23:19:32] <@Annul> hi 00[23:19:32] <@Annul> ok 00[23:19:35] <@Annul> it works [23:19:56] <LunarDestiny> yes 00[23:20:03] <@Annul> ok so basically 00[23:20:22] <@Annul> if the plan works as i see it 00[23:20:25] <@Annul> you will never die. [23:20:43] <LunarDestiny> that is vague. 00[23:20:49] <@Annul> what is vague about it [23:21:04] <LunarDestiny> let me ask something simple: Night 1, mafia use KP on me. Will I die? 00[23:21:14] <@Annul> if i intervene 00[23:21:14] <@Annul> no 00[23:22:08] <@Annul> that help? [23:22:15] <LunarDestiny> Do I know if I get hit? 00[23:22:19] <@Annul> i would imagine [23:23:16] <LunarDestiny> But if the protection is one of your ability, I won't be notify of the hit. 00[23:23:33] <@Annul> based on what my abilit(ies) (is/are) [23:23:41] <LunarDestiny> I need to make sure that you are not mafia and just choosing not to hit me 00[23:23:42] <@Annul> i would think you would know. 00[23:23:54] <@Annul> you will get the name of my ability under the contract 00[23:24:03] <@Annul> it should be obvious 00[23:24:35] <@Annul> basically i am more powerful than you, but i see an immediate victory if you are what you say you are AND if a DT comes out 00[23:24:46] <@Annul> so i figure lets go for it 00[23:25:00] <@Annul> once i see what your thing actually is, the full text, so i know theres no trickery 00[23:25:08] <@Annul> ill tell you all i know. 00[23:25:30] <@Annul> of course, i cant put that in the contract because if i am unsatisfied with your ability, or there is something there that the full text reveals that makes me question things, i wont 00[23:25:35] <@Annul> but really, you will know my ability name 00[23:25:41] <@Annul> it will be clear what i can do, in general 00[23:26:01] <@Annul> if im happy with you, ill just tell you what i do in full because id believe your blueness 00[23:26:17] <@Annul> thats why i wrote the K like that 00[23:26:29] <@Annul> you told me you would give me the 1 mil if i can give you 2+ lives 00[23:26:33] <@Annul> i am telling you i can give you 2+ lives. 00[23:26:57] <@Annul> thoughts? [23:28:57] <LunarDestiny> if you are that sure that this plan will work, I will believe you since I just don't want to die by mafia night kill on night 1. [23:29:43] <LunarDestiny> Please send me another propose contract. I'll answer monkey's post while you do it. 00[23:30:33] <@Annul> what do you dislike about my first proposed? 00[23:30:49] <@Annul> other than the "dont give me all the money" part, and the DT part i guess 00[23:31:10] <@Annul> i dont like removing the DT part to prove towniness, because i know i cant day kill to prove town 00[23:31:21] <@Annul> so i will never get access to it 00[23:31:57] <@Annul> i wrote the DT claim in there to trap you, basically. if you want to "confirm" town by the other red (if you are red) claiming DT, then we have both of you out in the open lying 00[23:32:05] <@Annul> if one thread comes loose, pull and GG 00[23:32:16] <@Annul> thats why thats in there 00[23:38:44] <@Annul> ? [23:38:57] <LunarDestiny> how about this: I striaght out give you the 1mil [23:39:10] <LunarDestiny> if I die that 1 mil will be given to town 00[23:39:49] <@Annul> put the 1 mill in an escrow account that only i can use 00[23:40:02] <@Annul> if you die, the escrow account is liquidated evenly to the remaining players 00[23:40:27] <@Annul> is that good? [23:45:13] <LunarDestiny> ok. But I will say to town that if I die, you will be lynched. So if you are protown, you must be sure that you must promise me that "2+lives [23:45:31] <LunarDestiny> are you really sure that I won't die? 00[23:45:32] <@Annul> yes, you have that. 00[23:45:53] <@Annul> i am sure you will not die. 00[23:46:21] <@Annul> new K text sent for your approval 00[23:50:01] <@Annul> y/n [23:51:14] <LunarDestiny> y 00[23:51:54] <@Annul> k 00[23:51:56] <@Annul> will submit to LSB 00[23:52:23] <@Annul> done 00[23:52:39] <@Annul> you need to submit it as well, of course Session Time: Sun Jan 09 00:00:00 2011 00[00:00:10] <@Annul> let me know what happens 00[00:02:54] <@Annul> LSB approved it 00[00:03:01] <@Annul> but he didnt tell me your info 00[00:03:07] <@Annul> i think he expects you to do it yourself 00[00:03:10] <@Annul> asking him [00:07:37] <LunarDestiny> just pmed him, waiting for reply 00[00:08:18] <@Annul> as did i 00[00:13:31] <@Annul> he says i need to get it from you [00:14:47] <LunarDestiny> Change the contract to something like me quoting my unmodify mod pm 00[00:15:18] <@Annul> k, send to LSB the following: [00:15:21] <LunarDestiny> you quoting the first part of your pm saying your ability name 00[00:15:40] <@Annul> ill PM you 00[00:15:42] <@Annul> sec [00:16:00] <LunarDestiny> Or else the person violate the rule get modkilled instantly. [00:16:11] <LunarDestiny> If person is mafia, mafia lose instantly 00[00:17:26] <@Annul> LSB is saying to me 00[00:17:36] <@Annul> he cant confirm your role PM to me even if i send him what you send me 00[00:17:37] <@Annul> ;\ 00[00:17:57] <@Annul> he says 00[00:18:08] <@Annul> quote me your full ability, and then if i find something in it that is a breach, i can use that 00[00:18:17] <@Annul> but i cant just send him the thing immediately for verification 00[00:18:29] <@Annul> so the K as written is the best we can do 00[00:18:41] <@Annul> PM me your full text, i guess. ;\ [00:19:27] <LunarDestiny> But how would I convince you my ability even if I do quote it in its entirety 00[00:19:56] <@Annul> you dont need to do that 00[00:20:01] <@Annul> the K just says to quote the full text 00[00:20:25] <@Annul> you dont need to do anything beyond that 00[00:20:39] <@Annul> soon as you do, and i read it, ill start doing what i gotta do to save you [00:22:09] <LunarDestiny> i'll bet on the fact that LSB is not screwing with town. [00:22:22] <LunarDestiny> If town lose because of this... 00[00:22:46] <@Annul> as long as you are town 00[00:22:48] <@Annul> we will win [00:23:36] <LunarDestiny> I was going to ask you this after the contract. [00:24:04] <LunarDestiny> Are you protected as well? You don't have to answer me this if you don't want to [00:24:25] <LunarDestiny> Should I encourage mafia to hit you or not 00[00:24:31] <@Annul> hm [00:24:37] <LunarDestiny> think before answering 00[00:25:01] <@Annul> let me see your full text first and let me fulfill my part of the K [00:25:02] <LunarDestiny> or don't answer me now 00[00:25:05] <@Annul> and then we can discuss that 00[00:26:42] <@Annul> ok 00[00:27:22] <@Annul> ok 00[00:28:48] <@Annul> i just PMed you 00[00:28:53] <@Annul> the name of my ability is (edited out) 00[00:30:02] <@Annul> alright 00[00:30:04] <@Annul> i have an idea 00[00:31:51] <@Annul> we K to put your tommy gun into a trust that you and i have access to and that requires you and i to both agree to use it. the trust automatically fails 5 minutes after creation, with the residue going entirely to you. 00[00:32:09] <@Annul> i can K the same thing with my defense contact 00[00:32:19] <@Annul> this way we both prove they exist. 00[00:32:35] <@Annul> (and i cant use your gun, etc; you cant use my contact either) 00[00:32:39] <@Annul> just to prove existence [00:36:20] <LunarDestiny> pm me the contract 00[00:39:19] <@Annul> sent 00[00:41:03] <@Annul> y/n [00:41:44] <LunarDestiny> y 00[00:42:27] <@Annul> k, sending to LSB 00[00:57:25] <@Annul> ok 00[00:57:28] <@Annul> i believe you. 00[00:57:39] <@Annul> what i can do is the following: (obviously going to cut the logs off here) then, later, 03[03:40:02] * LunarDestiny (webchat@college9-22-68.resnet.ucsc.edu) has joined #brimstone [03:40:09] <LunarDestiny> test 00[03:42:21] <@Annul> hi 00[03:42:28] <@Annul> ROL says he sent you an item 00[03:42:30] <@Annul> confirm? [03:42:54] <LunarDestiny> we made a contract but it is not confirmed 00[03:43:25] <@Annul> do you believe him 00[03:43:29] <@Annul> he claims to have sent me 1 mill [03:44:00] <LunarDestiny> hmm... 00[03:45:18] <@Annul> of course we wont know for sure 00[03:45:21] <@Annul> until LSB wakes up [03:45:25] <LunarDestiny> it's not that i don't believe him, but it is really stupid for mafia to give up everything [03:46:16] <LunarDestiny> i'll put him after (edited out) on my not to shoot list so LD, who flipped town, SAW my entire ability, knew what i could do, and believed in my towniness. maybe that helps a bit. | ||
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annul
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On January 10 2011 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Because it would be stupid to kill him. If I was mafia I would of done EXACTLY what you did. I do what I can to CONTROL the town's KP. IE: messaging him, exactly what you did. If you can influence the town KP and make sure it doesn't hit red you are essentially doubling your KP as mafia. If you have a protection ability you can use that to influence him and believe you are town aligned and on top of that you can just NOT protect him whenever you see him as a threat then kill him. The problem came when you KNEW he was going to get a BPV. That meant you couldn't guarantee he would die when you wanted him to die which is very risky if he starts getting suspicious of you. You would basically be facing a town aligned serial killer which is scary as fuck. this is ridiculously WIFOM. i knew, based on the logs i just pasted above, that your plan was fishy to begin with. in a game where EVERY OTHER MEMBER must die, there needs to be some restriction to no-death items/abilities. if he could literally never die, the game is de facto imbalanced since that team can never lose. instead, i can also say that you knew you could make this argument when you used your ability on LD, given the information you knew. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM i have always made the point to say i am "essentially" unkillable -- there are ways around it, of course. obviously i wont say what these ways are. but your ability, as you claimed, is unbeatable and would render the entire game moot. | ||
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Nemesis
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Also, annul what exactly was your plan with the DT? And RoL, can you give the exact description of what your bulletproof vest can do? Can it prevent any night kills, but not item kills, or can it only prevent one kill or whatever? | ||
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annul
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On January 10 2011 04:48 annul wrote: LSB: if a player were to have an ability that once activated, passively save's a person's life from death; would that player 1. be told that the ability was activated (prior to death), and 2. that, once a kill was attempted, that the ability saved that player? need answer to this | ||
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annul
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the role i would have played will not be revealed, since it could still have late game relevance down the line | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On January 10 2011 05:27 Nemesis wrote: Can you guys calm down for a moment and explain what happened in pm land? Also, annul what exactly was your plan with the DT? And RoL, can you give the exact description of what your bulletproof vest can do? Can it prevent any night kills, but not item kills, or can it only prevent one kill or whatever? While holding a BPV, a person is bulletproof. That means it can save from any kill related to guns. IE: If LD shot someone or if mafia shot someone they would die. I would imagine that if a power involved death not relating to bullets it would most likely go through. Like lynching or poisoning. | ||
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LSB
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On January 10 2011 04:48 annul wrote: LSB: if a player were to have an ability that once activated, passively save's a person's life from death; would that player 1. be told that the ability was activated (prior to death), and 2. that, once a kill was attempted, that the ability saved that player? This would depend on the ability. In the case of a bulletproof vest. The vest is an item. So player 1 would not be notified of anything that happens to it. In the case of medic protection. Standard rules would apply. Player 1 would be notified of his save In the case of alternative item usage, please pm me what the item does and I will respond. In general. If the item would have you there at the scene of the hit, you would be notified. | ||
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there are 6 players left. it is clear mafia will want to kill me with a lynch. LSB just essentially confirmed (at least some elements of) my role. 2 will be on me. this means the first nonmafia to vote me will likely be the thing that loses the game for town. we only have 6 players now. be very careful with this decision | ||
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