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Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 10 2011 01:13 GMT
#141
On January 10 2011 05:52 annul wrote:
okay. well, apparently i am not unlynchable.




Show nested quote +
Original Message From LSB:
You can post this PM chain if you want.

Original Message From annul:
the ability does not say i get night life. it says i gain +1 life for 48 hours.

well fuck i am glad i asked i guess

Original Message From LSB:
You can't be protected from a lynch.

Besides for Ace's role in segunko (which was just weird), the lynch has historically killed everyone regardless of protection / night lives.

Original Message From annul:
??

wtf

Original Message From LSB:
Nope. Lynch is the kill all.

For example, a veteran can be lynched.

Original Message From annul:
my ability says i gain "+1 life" for 48 hours

this means i am unlynchable while this is active, correct?



Read the forum.
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Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 10 2011 01:13 GMT
#142
Oh, and ebwodp, he didn't lie. He was mistaken.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 10 2011 01:35 GMT
#143
I am about to head to my girlfriends so I won't be as active on IRC/AIM until tomorrowish. I will still post intermittently but I think I proved my case to most. I encourage the inactives/anyone to read over whats been sad through the last 3 pages and then realize the shit Annul's been spitting out and vote for him.
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Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 10 2011 01:54 GMT
#144
And I would like to remind everyone that both could be town, and we should be looking for two people. Not one. I strongly believe that it would be better to see if we can find someone else who is a strong lynch target. If we can't, I understand. But i think that we can find one.

Some people say there isn't a lot to analyze. I disagree. Firstly, it doesn't take tons of posts for someone to post something that is incriminating. Secondly, we have 4-5 pages of content, and only 7 players filling them. I think that's plenty of content. It's just that everyone is getting distracted by all the items/PMs. Town wins the game because of good scum hunting. We should not assume that town will use their items cleverly, and win it that way. For the town to use KP we need to know who to use it on. This requires scum hunting. So let's go scum hunt.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
January 10 2011 04:06 GMT
#145
I'll still stick to my vote of annul.

I rather find his arguments concerning RoL being mafia as crap. He is WIFOMing about having an ability to redirect, and that he should be trusted because LD trusted him.

Also, even though there is still the posibility of both of them actually being town, I find the timing of the kill rather convenient to be a coincidence.

Kavdragon, if you don't think either of them is scum, then who do you suggest we lynch?

I would also like to hear what Node and chip has to say about the current situation.
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chipmonkey
Profile Joined May 2009
United States28 Posts
January 10 2011 04:33 GMT
#146
So I am inclined to believe RoL over Annul. I think its extremely fishy that RoL would make those contracts, reveal the terms to Annul, and then it JUST SO HAPPENS that a mafia hits LD before he can hit back and get his protective vest. It is possible that RoL is lying about the whole thing, but it doesn't seem that annul is taking that stance. So that tells me that these contracts indeed went down... and if my understanding is correct, only RoL, DL, and Annul knew about these contracts.

DL certainly wouldn't kill himself...

So one of these two people has to be a mafia, unless they leaked info of the contracts to some other person not mentioned. I'm not going to buy a coincidence that DL died before he could take a shot.

I'm going to vote to lynch Annul, and if he turns out to be good, we can always lynch the other the next phase. One for one doesn't seem like a bad trade.


##Vote: Annul
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Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 10 2011 04:58 GMT
#147
Nemesis, I'll get to your question in a second. Chip:

Look: Everyone knew that he was a day vig. This means that he's a prime target for mafia. They very likely some sort of day KP, or they could have traded for it. The only suspicious part is that it happened in the window of time when Annul knew what was going down.

Obviously LD wouldn't kill himself. That doesn't mean that one of the two is mafia. The mafia knew he was a good target, he was calling for protection, and he was scheduled to make a hit tonight. It makes sense for him to be killed at that time. Again, it's not a coincidence that he was killed before he took the shot. It's a coincidence that it happened after Annul found out that LD would be protected, and before he actually got the protection. You your self said that you expected the mafia to hit him last night

If we lynch annul, and he's town, then that doesn't mean that RoL is mafia. I think he's town. Let's not make rash assumptions.
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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 05:13 GMT
#148
okay, i just thought of something game-breaking.

i can PROVE, 100% of the time, that i am what i say i am

EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who wishes to see the abilities i have, what they are and can do, etc, can see it.

i will contract with every player in this game to do the following

i will agree to create a trust entitled "annul proves his abilities to (your name)", to which i will transfer "all my items and money." both myself and (your name) will be joint trustees, and neither player will be able to use the items or money in the trust without the consent of the other. annul may revoke the trust at any time."

i will then consent to allow you to use your money to protect yourself. when you send in the command to LSB to "buy protection for yourself using the defense contact" (my item's name), when the money is deducted from your account and the protection is granted, you will see what the contact does: 48 hours of +1 life for 200000 kronos. unlimited usage as long as you have the money.

because the contract is worded in a way where i give ALL my money and items to the trust, there is no room for manipulation - you will see ALL that i have (which is only the contact/money). i cant hold anything back the way the K is written. you will see it, you will have access to my protection, and with your own money, you will buy yourself 48 hours of an extra life.

every single player who wishes to do this will get the chance to do so by me. AIM me at annulvapore for quicker contact, or PM me.
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 10 2011 05:42 GMT
#149
You cannot share your ability descriptions with us. So how would we know that you don't have more than one ability? I believe that you have a protection ability, but how do i know that you don't have another ability that can kill?
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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 05:50 GMT
#150
because we need to submit the same exact contract language to LSB in order for it to be approved. since your contract will read the same as mine, what i am "giving up" is known to you - ALL my items and money.
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 10 2011 05:59 GMT
#151
But this will not include a description of your protection ability, right?
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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 06:36 GMT
#152
when you attempt to use it and LSB confirms that you are protected, that should be an implicit "description" of the item, right?
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 10 2011 07:38 GMT
#153
The one problem is that we never said you didn't have some sort of protection power. I don't think that was ever the question. In fact, your protection being so cheap is questionable, especially since you claim to be able to protect as many people as you want at any given time. In the hands of a townie that would seem imbalanced, but if a mafia wanted to protect vs a day hit, well that would be much more reasonable.

But besides that, lets focus on a big point. I don't believe for a second that your only power is protection. From what you told me you hire a merc group who protects whoever you say to protect. I can't see a merc group only existing for protection. In fact, I would think its a safe assumption that you have more powers then that which you would prefer to not share with us. The issue with your contract plan is we can't confirm that you are sharing ALL your powers with us.

The thing is we can't prove you are sharing everything with us, and could just be showing us a single power. You are getting desperate and forgetting the rules of contracts now. You KNOW that LSB won't confirm/deny if you have any extra powers and we can't prove that you do or don't so you will never be caught lying in the contract. You know this because you tried doing something like that with LD and it didn't work, and now you are trying to pretend that you don't realize we can't know if you are sharing all your information with us. All we can know is if your ability you are showing us exists if your contract works.

Your arguments have been shitty, flawed, and grasping at straws just like in XXXV. You are using the same arguments as you did in XXV to discredit LSB except against me. The thing is I am better at arguing and point out the holes in all the shit you say. The fact is you knew my BPV to LD would take away your control over his fate and he coincidentally dies before getting my vest? You are the only person who knew about that contract and thought you saw a hole to exploit. Your own arrogance was your demise, in PM games all I do early on is trap people with information, you thought you saw a hole but I just left that to see if you would jump on it. Hell, even if I thought you were town I would of tried doing that to you just to see if you would bite. The way you responded in thread though made me sure you are mafia.

Hell guys, if I am wrong go ahead and lynch me tomorrow rofl, to me this is a sure thing. Annul repeating the same mistakes trying to do the same shit he knows won't work to try to save his ass last minute, its pathetic.
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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 08:00 GMT
#154
IS THERE ANY PLAYER IN THIS GAME RIGHT NOW who has an ability that is not dependent on an item of some type? i sure dont. i dont think they exist.

i can PROVE to you that i am a medic. prove it. I CAN PROVE I AM A MEDIC. i am willing to allow every player get protection every single night phase. there will be no standard mafia kills for the entire game. not one. i will perform the same contract with every living player during the night phase provided i am alive. every single player will be able to buy an extra life for 200k for 48 hours however many times they want.

like i really dont know how much more pro-town a player needs to be than to promise five extra lives to players whenever they want them -- and be able to deliver.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 08:01 GMT
#155
the fact that ROL looks at what i am willing to do and says "WELP too bad kill him anyway" is the clearest sign that he is a mafia.

THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 08:03 GMT
#156
furthermore, ROL contends LSB cannot confirm/deny abilities. if there are abilities outside of the items given to us that i dont know about, then yes, this is true. but assuming we only derive our power from the items, then this is NOT true and LSB can "confirm" my item list by the language i wrote in the proposed K above.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 08:05 GMT
#157
On January 10 2011 17:01 annul wrote:
THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town.


one of you needs to revote off of me, otherwise i AM dead with 3 votes and being the first to reach 3, even if node and kav hit ROL with me in the future.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 10 2011 08:19 GMT
#158
Holy shit Annul, your wrong. I said we can CONFIRM that you have the power you are claiming but we CANNOT prove that you don't have other powers. LSB WILL NOT TELL US SHIT. All he does is process contracts, he doesn't do anything besides change money and inventory that people have. I can't believe in the same breath you are trying to say that I must be mafia when my ability is to give away a BPV while you are ALSO trying to say that because you can protect people you MUST be town. If anything having the ability to self protect and protect as many people as you want is more mafia role since as a townie it would be way too powerful. What you are arguing doesn't make sense within the rules of the game, on top of that you are claiming what makes me red makes you green? Bullshit.

On January 10 2011 17:01 annul wrote:
the fact that ROL looks at what i am willing to do and says "WELP too bad kill him anyway" is the clearest sign that he is a mafia.

THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town.

This is more of your attempt to put words in my mouth and say things I never said. I said you are claiming you can prove something which you can, but not even answering when I am saying how you can hide any other ability you want. In case you aren't getting what I am saying yet. I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT YOUR POWER IS LIMITED TO JUST PROTECTS. Got it? Even Kavdragon the only person who wants to try to play devil's advocate says he thinks you most likely have another power you are not admitting to.

I will give you a hint, the only person not voting for you right now is Kavdragon because he still believes this LD shit might be a coincidence and Node because hes your scumbuddy. After you flip red hes my next target, and when I am sure I die tonight you guys better remember what I said. Node is trying to avoid implicating himself by commenting on the situation with his partner, that would be my not so humble guess. But time will tell on that. Annul you aren't going to get off the hook, stop making shit up.
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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 08:32 GMT
#159
as far as i know neither node nor kav have voted. i am well aware you nemesis and monkey are on me.

LSB CAN confirm the presence of all ITEMS in one's possession. so, again, i ask does anyone in this game have an ability that is not powered by an item? if anyone wishes to claim this, i have a way to prove it 100% as well. you prove all your items using the K trick i discussed above, and then you write a second K saying "agree to use an ability other than the ones derived from (item A/B/C/whatever). failure to do so within 5 minutes of contract execution will result in an immediate modkill."

so they then prove it, or they die. pretty easy to do.

but with all of the above being said, and with all of the contract tricks involved to verify claims, there is one very very critical point you continue to overlook. I AM PROMISING MEDIC PROTECTION TO EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THIS GAME. every single non-voting death can be prevented. every single one. since there will be 5 players left once the voting finishes, and mafia only has 1 night kill, EVERY single possible night kill can be prevented in this game. with 1 mill to use, there is enough money to save players 5 times. and i will allow every player to use my item to do this.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 10 2011 08:34 GMT
#160
think about the implications behind what i am offering. in a normal game, if someone CLAIMED medic and then said they could prove, ONE HUNDRED percent of the time, that they are medic, by completely nullifying the mafia's standard night KP... town lynches them? what? of fucking course not.
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