Pick Your Power Mafia 3! - Page 5

On December 29 2010 04:23 Ace wrote:
ooohhh boy. This game would be very difficult for new players. I sincerely urge you to not only read the games linked in the OP but other games as well.

On December 30 2010 05:07 Ace wrote:
Also if you're on the ban list you can't play in this game. If you're not on the ban list, but are known for going inactive during games you also can't play in this game.

On December 30 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
It will work. I'll just run Radfields plan again.

On December 30 2010 16:32 Qatol wrote:
Wasn't Radfield's plan the one where the town assigned roles to certain spots and then the players picked an order so they wouldn't overlap? If so, why would you ever try to reproduce that? It lets the mafia control what their members pick, which is the worst thing that could happen to the town. The town wants overlaps so the mafia are either forced into early positions/ roles they cannot use effectively without becoming suspicious or positions later in the draft where the mafia cannot be sure their desired roles will be available. If I remember correctly, I thought Radfield was mafia for most of PYP2 because his plan was so anti-town.

Edit: I just realized that this came out really harsh, especially considering the town won PYP2. What I really meant was just as long as the town prevents the mafia from controlling the draft, they are in good shape. I don't think Radfield's method for doing so was as effective as it could have been, but it was certainly sufficient and he should be commended for coming forward and making sure the town tried to do something to take control of the drafting phase.

On December 30 2010 16:32 Qatol wrote:
Wasn't Radfield's plan the one where the town assigned roles to certain spots and then the players picked an order so they wouldn't overlap? If so, why would you ever try to reproduce that? It lets the mafia control what their members pick, which is the worst thing that could happen to the town. The town wants overlaps so the mafia are either forced into early positions/ roles they cannot use effectively without becoming suspicious or positions later in the draft where the mafia cannot be sure their desired roles will be available. If I remember correctly, I thought Radfield was mafia for most of PYP2 because his plan was so anti-town.

Edit: I just realized that this came out really harsh, especially considering the town won PYP2. What I really meant was just as long as the town prevents the mafia from controlling the draft, they are in good shape. I don't think Radfield's method for doing so was as effective as it could have been, but it was certainly sufficient and he should be commended for coming forward and making sure the town tried to do something to take control of the drafting phase.

On December 30 2010 23:46 Fishball wrote:


Huh?
What are you smoking?

On December 31 2010 00:29 LSB wrote:

Firstly, the mafia wasn't really able to control the draft, Radfield was the one.

When the plan was put in action, I'm pretty sure that people didn't RNG and just chose the best role for them.
So basically his plan was telling everyone what number to pick.

Now, there was no consideration for where mafia could be. So possibly this would be a change for the plan this game

The main weakness I see with his plan was
1) There were some green players due to role overlap. Maximal amount of blues would have been extreamly good for the town.
2) It should have been pretty obvious where the DT was. In fact mafia went after DT the first round. Given, they knew where the DT was because they attempted to take the DT spot but failed. And also the hit failed because the DT was the SK

Now, the good stuff with the plan
1) It got rid of the pretty dangerous roles quick. (This could be accomplished by assigning the copy-cat role earlier or later). One trouble in PYP1 was that the comp vig got lost.
2) Medics would have their jobs cut out for them. They know around where the mafia would hit. So possibly obvious blue roles isn't a bad thing.
3) It got an obscene amount of roles out, each incredibly useful.

Of course, I immediately see some irreparable weakness with both plans. Chiefly, the traitor messed things up real quick for a while, but then all was good. I'll try working on it, once I see the role list.

On January 01 2011 12:22 Qatol wrote:

Did I stutter or something?


I think I said things in a slightly confusing manner. I'm not criticizing his plan for the role selection part of the draft phase, only for the number selection portion. If I'm not confused, the role assignment for the first few roles + the probabilities was already mostly figured out before the number selection phase was over. In addition, the way the town did the number selection was by publicly announcing their picks in an attempt to avoid conflicts. This allows the mafia to figure out what role they want to pick, and then make sure they are in the right position to get their desired roles. Just because they didn't do things that way doesn't mean the potential for abuse wasn't there.

Weaknesses:
1. I don't think this was too much of a problem. Overlaps will happen, and his decision to allow people to pick a role based on probabilities was a good way to try and make sure the important roles got selected and the number of blues was maximized.
2. With his kind of setup this is hard to avoid. I agree that this is a definite weakness to be improved upon.

Strengths:
1. This happened in PYP1 as well. And the comp-vig didn't get lost in PYP1. It was pretty much resolved by day 2 that Foolishness had that role. The major mistake we made with respect to that role was we didn't lynch him on day 2 to give the town more time.
2. Medics always have their jobs cut out for them. At least this way they had a short list of players who probably had the roles they wanted to protect. It makes the medic list much smaller. However, the medics are also easier to find which can be problematic.
3. I think both methods give a lot of blues. Remember that 1/3 of PYP1 didn't select a role at all, which was why there were so many greens.

The town was silly to even be looking for the traitor that early. If I recall correctly, they had the traitor down to something like 1 in 5 when the mafia : town ratio was 1 in 4. Let the mafia clear out the power roles before you look for the traitor like that.

Also, Radfield's list of role priorities was pretty bad. He had Veteran really really high and I think he had an important role ridiculously low.