EPTou posted in such a way to imply that either they are mafia or you are, and that once we are done we find out which, we can stop supecting the other. Thats not the case.
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HaploPaithan
United States100 Posts
ou posted in such a way to imply that either they are mafia or you are, and that once we are done we find out which, we can stop supecting the other. Thats not the case. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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HaploPaithan
United States100 Posts
So far no mafia has died. I don't see how they would be killing two of their own. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On January 15 2011 03:23 HaploPaithan wrote: If LSB is an SK then he doesn't care about traitor. If LSB is scum, well they don't have much use for the traitor if he is likely to die soon anyways. Lets face it, Fishball is likely to die in the next day or 2, I was actually under the impression that Kita was going to shoot him tonight, so hunting down the traitor doesn't really hurt scum too much at this point. LSB is trying to get the town off of him and focused on the traitor again. Then after Fishball dies and turns up as traitor(most likely) town forgets they were investigating LSB. TBH BC isn't going to let LSB live if Fishball doesn't flip traitor, and I wouldn't either. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: And if you guys actually listened to what I wrote in XXXV the game would have turned out incredibly different. So full of yourself. The first step of a plan is to convince people that your plan will work. When your plan convinces nobody, it has already failed. There are no "If's". On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: The reason why you don't see me as much is because the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan. Annul tunneling me in XXXV, me getting nightkilled in XXX. Now Fishball (and possibly you) in PYP3 I think you got your scenario wrong, probably blinded by rage. It was BC who made a full case on you. I only said I shared the same views on some of the stuff he wrote. If you hadn't made this reply, + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote: I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies On January 14 2011 13:41 LSB wrote: The fact that I stayed silent was better for the town because It confirmed Kenpachi On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan. lol? What "plan"? Funny thing is, there wasn't once I exactly pinned you as scum. I even somewhat "defended" you here. + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote: To be honest, I think LSB is just butt-fook stubborn and naive, and honestly believes his plan would work if done "right". Regardless of the workability of his plan, it requires the vast majority of players to follow it. This is not a single player game where you can just control everything and tell everyone what to do. It just doesn't work that way. There are SK(s), there are players that want to be Traitor, there are Mafia. That's already good chunk of the player pool with different agendas. On January 12 2011 15:55 Fishball wrote: # LSB Leader wannabe. Forced his plan really hard, despite opposing voices during pre-game from numerous players. For the most part, LSB's thought process has been logical, but not without flaws. On a scale of 10, 1 is Town aligned and 10 is Mafia aligned, I would put him at a 4 for now. Now all of a sudden, I'm the primary evil being trying to get rid of you. You disregard everything else and vote for me, even wanted the SK to hit me. I know I use harsh words, but this is just gold. My original opinion towards you is definitely changing. Once again, for everyone else, I'll quote myself here. On January 14 2011 15:06 Fishball wrote: No, I don't want to die, but if anyone thinks I'm by far the scummiest player, compared to everything else that we have on our plate, or whatever reason so dire that I have to be killed, feel free to vote me off. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
You guys are decisive  | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: Great, so know you are pulling the experience card? Firstly, I did not make an error. You still have refused to address my reasons and you just simply pretend they don't exist The difference between me and DrH is that my plans, when followed work. XXX RAM And if you guys actually listened to what I wrote in XXXV the game would have turned out incredibly different. The reason why you don't see me as much is because the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan. Annul tunneling me in XXXV, me getting nightkilled in XXX. Now Fishball (and possibly you) in PYP3 The key issue is that you aren't willing to actually debate the plan besides a simple statement of "I don't agree with it". This shows that your fears are baseless and rather because of mafia orientation. Which reasons would you like me to address? the ones revolving around your shoddy plan? The sketchyness of your actions on trying to force people to roleclaim? How about not contributing real analysis? Your actions are what I am analyzing, any excuse you can come up with at this point is wifom. IF you had only had one or two issues that were minor, then sure your reasons would be more than valid, however when there is a huge amount of information against you, the likelyhood of legit reasons are less. Hell, the reasons behind your not claiming were purely bad. IT does not confirm kenpachi, period. Your plan gave insane information to mafia (if it had been followed), you have then spent the game trying to force people to roleclaim. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this, Roles mean dick all. Mafia at this point could have any role, and the more emphasis you have on them to "prove their role" to legitimize them as town is dumb. Mafia can use a role to prove their role, that says nothing of their alignment. As for not furthering to discuss your plan. Why would I continue going into it. Pure fact it would have given the mafia a clear window to win. You know who has the ability to absorb night hits, you avoid them, you know who meds are, who has KP, who has Investigate roles, etc.... All the information on who to snipe is then in their hands, whereas town still has to behavioural analyze. Plain simple fact, your plan gave more information to mafia, and not enough to town. IT also hinges on the "leadership" to be town which you cannot guarentee. You frankly assumed you would be town, assumed mafia would be stupid, assumed sk's would be stupid, assumed every player would be naive, assumed you were better than everyone else, and assumed that having a plan and knowing who has what role = knowing their alignment. Guess what? you were wrong. Knowing someones role means dick. KP roles will still act in the way they best see fit, medics will still save who they think should be saved, etc..., however if you take the uncertainty of who is what, the mafia can hit freely, dodge protections, etc... You are literally unable to hold anyone accountable for their actions, as mafia would have had a list of roles, and regardless of what they drafted could easily hide in the towns numbers and let it off itself. I will now say this to everyone playing. This goes also for people who aren't playing but are reading. Towns do not win mafia by having their roles do amazing jobs because of skill, that is luck. Good towns win by analyzing players, and getting mafia lynched. The whole idea of having one central leader, relying on blue roles to find the reds is purely dumb. LSB's entire plan hinged on certain roles not being in red hands, and somehow thinking mafia would be dumb and not use information to properly snipe while be safely able to hide within the towns numbers. His plan didn't have behavioural analysis as its core, which is how towns win. That is fact. Towns for games have been relying on a central leadership/blues to do the work, that is not how you win this game. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 15 2011 04:13 Amber[LighT] wrote: TBH BC isn't going to let LSB live if Fishball doesn't flip traitor, and I wouldn't either. Even if fishball flips traitor I won't let up -_- Antitown is still antitown, and at the moment traitor doesn't count towards mafia #'s so having town hunt the traitor is more beneficial to them. It ultimately benefits town, but it benefits mafia more at this juncture. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 15 2011 05:42 deconduo wrote: LSB 5 Fishball 5 You guys are decisive Mafia can influence the outcome of polls that that however they want. I think most people have had enough time to give their opinion. Please select the scummiest target so we can use the remaining time to decide a lynch. The less time you give us, the greater the chance we might have to settle on lynching you  | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
I had a moderate sized post ready to go this morning when our ISP when down... Now it's mostly irrelevant already, but here's two things I still want to put out there: When someone makes a massive fuck up you FoS them, period. I'm wondering if a few other experienced players could weigh in on this. If BC legitimately believes this, it could explain a lot of his behavior, and I will reconsider my read of him. My opinion is that throwing FOS's around whenever you catch an error/mistake/lie is counterproductive unless you believe the person is scum. Am I incorrect? I have a big day at work today. Except for possibly my lunch break, I will be AFK until shortly before the lynch vote is due. Town: please pick a vig hit for deconduo ASAP. Then move on and pick a lynch target, I should be back in time to read and vote for that. If nothing is happening, I'm counting on someone setpping it up...I'll change to abstain for now. ##Unvote Amber ##Vote Abstain | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 15 2011 06:10 aidnai wrote: I STRONGLY dislike the anonymous vote. I would rather have people put their own name on what they vote for, just like the lynch. I know it's more work deconduo, but you should go off of what people say in thread, not based off of that poll. I agree the poll cannot be trusted, but there isn't enough time to wait for everyone to vote for his target. People have had a full 24 hours to state their opinion and Deconduo will have to choose the best target if he wants to stay around. Preferably, within the next 15 minutes so we can focus on a majority lynch. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
BloodyC0bbler : LSB Amber[LighT]: Fishball kitaman27: Fishball Fishball : LSB HaploPaithan : (LSB I think?) LSB : Fishball deconduo : BC aidnai : BC? On January 14 2011 10:50 aidnai wrote: cubed says shoot cubed aidnai says shoot BC bumatlarge says shoot LSB or BC Amber[light] says shoot BC Pigsquirrel says shoot LSB Kenpachi loosely implies shoot BC... i'll just quote him fishball says meh Not enough people to be decisive. I don't like it, but this will have to wait until morning. Less time to pick a lynch, sigh. Fishball: 3 BC: 3-4 LSB: 4-5 I think | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Beneather
Canada451 Posts
I haven't been reading much cause of school so I really don't think I can choose on who to vote for. Who has GodFather didn't Kenpachi claim godfather? If LSB is scum he's most likely to be a vanilla scum if he followed his own plan. Then there's a chance of kitaman7 or Fishball of being traitor, but Fishball is the most suspicious to what everyone is saying. Really hard to choose Abstaining would be the best for me IMO. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 15 2011 06:43 Beneather wrote: ##Vote Abstain I haven't been reading much cause of school so I really don't think I can choose on who to vote for. Who has GodFather didn't Kenpachi claim godfather? If LSB is scum he's most likely to be a vanilla scum if he followed his own plan. Then there's a chance of kitaman7 or Fishball of being traitor, but Fishball is the most suspicious to what everyone is saying. Really hard to choose Abstaining would be the best for me IMO. Kenpachi has godfather. LSB and BC also claim to have selected godfather after him. Please return before 9pm est to change your vote. Abstaining kills the town. On January 15 2011 06:25 deconduo wrote: The votes for LSB seem legit, but people seem to have switched from BC to Fishball and not said anything about it. For a serial killer, your sure seem to take a while to kill someone. Are you getting paid by the hour? :p Even after you make your decision, we still have to wait for Ace to post the results giving us even less time for the lynch. -_- | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On January 15 2011 06:48 kitaman27 wrote: Kenpachi has godfather. LSB and BC also claim to have selected godfather after him. Please return before 9pm est to change your vote. Abstaining kills the town. For a serial killer, your sure seem to take a while to kill someone. Are you getting paid by the hour? :p Even after you make your decision, we still have to wait for Ace to post the results giving us even less time for the lynch. -_- I don't want to get lynched because I shot the wrong person. Theres so much fucking ambiguity about who to shoot | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I still <3 you tho. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Not sure if it matters, but I think the format is "Kill: Player" Any last minute thoughts LSB? | ||
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Pigsquirrel
United States615 Posts
If decon doesn't shoot I will change to him. | ||
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