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Gabriel
Profile Joined December 2008
149 Posts
December 12 2010 04:33 GMT
#461
On December 12 2010 13:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
malongo you hater!

You know i love you bro </3
Formerly known as Malongo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Malongo
Brocket
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia192 Posts
December 12 2010 05:22 GMT
#462
= /. Massive sigh. So kenpachi was voted out because:

He was a pikachu who acted like mafia. Why would you even do that? Gah. The mafia know who's on their team right? You're the reason why we can't have nice things Kenpachi.

He was a pikachu who made out to be mafia by mafia who knew he's always acted suss consistently in every game. I am so disappoint.
I don't know what happened.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 12 2010 05:44 GMT
#463
Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6788 Posts
December 12 2010 06:01 GMT
#464
On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote:
Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment.

He played almost the same in insane as well... can we just lynch zeks or Gabriel now?
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
December 12 2010 06:04 GMT
#465
Mmmmm... disappointing. But not any worse than we normally have done, and no blue damage taken. I see what damage I can do tonight by re-reading this first day. Not enough participation, or committals.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 12 2010 06:09 GMT
#466
I will try to get an analysis out before the day post.
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DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
December 12 2010 06:21 GMT
#467
On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote:
Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment.

I did my best, I have no regrets

Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen.

@Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time.

I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers.
I can already see the ending
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
December 12 2010 06:27 GMT
#468
Seriously people need to improve their VI vs. scum detector better. Going to sleep, will try to see if I can find something interesting among voting behaviours when I get back.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 12 2010 06:28 GMT
#469
I wouldn't not post those analysis. If I was mafia and I saw a bad lynch coming I would try to defend it to appear in a better light. Particularly those who defended him but did not offer a better candidate.
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Gabriel
Profile Joined December 2008
149 Posts
December 12 2010 06:33 GMT
#470
What is done, is done. Right now the best for us is Gabriel's random lists (absolutely random and out of nowhere).

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Eiii
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Hesmyrr


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node
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tree.hugger
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Formerly known as Malongo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Malongo
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
December 12 2010 06:34 GMT
#471
On December 12 2010 15:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I wouldn't not post those analysis. If I was mafia and I saw a bad lynch coming I would try to defend it to appear in a better light. Particularly those who defended him but did not offer a better candidate.

a.k.a. voting behaviour check (or maybe it is just D1 analysis, I don't know). Good recommendation though; people should be looking over both bandwagons and not focusing on single one related to your suspect. Case in point being Kenpachi I guess.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
December 12 2010 06:37 GMT
#472
On December 12 2010 15:33 Gabriel wrote:
What is done, is done. Right now the best for us is Gabriel's random lists (absolutely random and out of nowhere).

Rolecheck list:
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Eiii
DCLXVI
Hesmyrr


Protection list:
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node
d3_crescentia
jcarlsoniv


Voltorb list:
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tree.hugger
dimnsab
deconduo



Okay, I do have to address before I go away. What is purpose of randomizing either of three actions again, when good PR can yield better results by intelligent decision making? Also wtf are you producing random results when you can simply tell the PR to use RNG to determine their results, which is FAR better method than using this "random" result of yours.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Gabriel
Profile Joined December 2008
149 Posts
December 12 2010 07:18 GMT
#473
On December 10 2010 16:02 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote:
So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey...

Most people gave a reason, Gabriel took an extremely hostile stance towards several players, gave shaky reasons for his actions and bandwagoned shamelessly and then became extremyl defensive and rage quit when people questioned him. Until someone comes along and acts scummier I'll be keeping my vote on who I feel is the best lynch.


Honestly, gabe's play has been distracting and inconsistent at best and scummy at worse. I mean, look at this:

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 09:40 Gabriel wrote:
On December 10 2010 09:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also @LSB: I don't think we should say "we need to lynch inactives". While it may pressure scum to come out from hiding, I have seen it hit town more often than not. I think we need to deal with who is out and talking and giving us things to analyze rather than just blindly shooting into a room with a shotgun.

I rather start the blind shoot into this small room with a shotgun. We are not getting analysis going too far away day one. Picking the right guy at the right time is picking a dead weight at first.


He goes from saying "We're not going to be able to analyze anyone day 1, let's just lynch an inactive and hope it removes some dead weight" to...

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:
Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain

A) your vote
B) your deep posts?

On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:
oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D:

On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:
Pikachu - Townie
Raichu - Miller
Chansey - Medic
Cloyster - Veteran
Alakazam - Detective
Electrode - Mad Hatter
Mew - Special Detective

Gengar - God Father
Koffing - Mafia Grunt
Weezing - Mafia Shrink

Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante

notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive.

On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote:
yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all.

On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote:
how many people can Mafia target per night?

On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:
There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.)

So... can someone enlighten me?

basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think

On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote:
Do we have a limited amount of double lynches?

I think its 2.




Trying really really hard to paint ken as scum. And he doesn't even have any decent basis for it! One quote is a throwaway reaction to the day 1 post, one quote is asking about rules of the game, and the rest are useless but harmless posts. Like I said before, if he had taken even a second to look at ken's play in salem he would have seen that ken spammed like crazy even though he was medic. He might be active but he's certainly not helpful, and I think he knows it.
Personally, I *do* think good analysis can be done day one. My vote's with gabe for now.

On December 11 2010 23:58 Node wrote:
As weird as Gabriel's play is -- I still highly doubt that he's mafia, there's no way scum would draw so much attention to themselves -- I agree completely with his analysis of zeks. I'm still curious about the "infun slip ups" line, which has yet to be clarified. Also, I think the "stop overreacting" and "don't go apeshit" lines were excellent catches, as they were put down after zeks deflected pressure. For those who don't know, a classic scumtell is defending oneself and acting guilty when there aren't people attacking you. Scum, after all, has something to be guilty about while townies do not.

I'd also like to draw everybody's attention to Eiii, who has been posting in an incredibly scummy fashion.

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2010 16:58 Eiii wrote:
...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O


Show nested quote +
On December 11 2010 17:10 Eiii wrote:
holy shit

Gabriel Mafia: The game where it doesn't matter that your arguments are logically consistent, or that they're accurate, or even that they make any sense at all! As long as you have a long post to make so it looks like you're trying really really hard, congrats! You're absolved of potentially being mafia. Next suspect!


What, exactly, are these supposed to contribute? They do absolutely nothing as far as actually refuting gabriel's arguments, but instead continue to pile shit on him by calling his posts bad. It does zero for the actual discussion at hand. To me, it screams scum attempting to deflect a lynch.

For now, I'm going to be putting my vote on zeks. If he turns up scum, I think we have been given excellent candidates for the lynch on day 2.



On December 12 2010 11:19 Eiii wrote:
Alright, so as much as I don't like his posts gabriel seems to pretty clearly be a townie at this point. Looks like actual discussion makes him put out decent content instead of just blindly lashing out, so hopefully that keeps up :D

I'm switching my vote to ken. He's already been analyzed to death, but what I really don't like is this:


Show nested quote +
On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town.

youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic?


Zero response to DC's attacks, just semi-claims to be blue to avoid a lynch. Obviously he takes it back a post later, but I just can't get over how disruptive a move this is.


You are so mafia it hurts my eyes sir. Last voter on Kenpachi too. To put it in a few words:

1 Eiii puts the pressure on Gabriel to justify a badwagon. Note that he states clearly that my reasoning for calling KENPACHI OUT is wrong based.

2 Just as Node describes: when I post about lynching zeks and why he is the best behavior lynch he comes out with two rather personal attack posts (and he didnt even cared to read about zeks analysis). Another thing to note: dodging Nodes call out. Not even a word. Period.

3 Three posts later im the cleanest guy in the town. Throw me a bone here please.

4 Remember point 1? lol now Kenpachis analysis is good (after it came from tree.hugger). Now im asking anyone to re read the actual case from treehugger and get the name of all those quotes inside his post calling Kenpachi (hint: they are mine).

Can you actually explain how you pass from

"(Gabriel is) Trying really really hard to paint ken as scum. And he doesn't even have any decent basis for it!" to
"I'm switching my vote to ken. He's already been analyzed to death" (by Gabriel and tree.hugger mostly)?

And how you pass from:
"...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O" + "holy shit: Gabriel Mafia: The game where it doesn't matter that your arguments are logically consistent, or that they're accurate, or even that they make any sense at all! As long as you have a long post to make so it looks like you're trying really really hard, congrats! You're absolved of potentially being mafia. Next suspect!" to

"Alright, so as much as I don't like his posts gabriel seems to pretty clearly be a townie at this point. Looks like actual discussion makes him put out decent content instead of just blindly lashing out, so hopefully that keeps up :D

Im calling you out sir. Right here, right now.
Formerly known as Malongo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Malongo
Gabriel
Profile Joined December 2008
149 Posts
December 12 2010 07:21 GMT
#474
On December 12 2010 15:37 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2010 15:33 Gabriel wrote:
What is done, is done. Right now the best for us is Gabriel's random lists (absolutely random and out of nowhere).

Rolecheck list:
+ Show Spoiler +

Eiii
DCLXVI
Hesmyrr


Protection list:
+ Show Spoiler +

node
d3_crescentia
jcarlsoniv


Voltorb list:
+ Show Spoiler +

tree.hugger
dimnsab
deconduo



Okay, I do have to address before I go away. What is purpose of randomizing either of three actions again, when good PR can yield better results by intelligent decision making? Also wtf are you producing random results when you can simply tell the PR to use RNG to determine their results, which is FAR better method than using this "random" result of yours.

You dont really believe me when i say they are random do you? fear of a rolecheck maybe? Just let it go Hesmyr.
Formerly known as Malongo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Malongo
Brocket
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia192 Posts
December 12 2010 09:19 GMT
#475
I regret changing my vote to kenpachi. As a direct result we have to keep gabe for another night/day's worth of discussion. God help us all.

Mafia please kill him or me. Kthx.
I don't know what happened.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 12 2010 09:45 GMT
#476
Yeah, as Gabriel states, I'm even more suspicious of Eiii since he made the final swing vote on Kenpachi after discrediting Gabriel's analysis. I think he would make an excellent lynch tomorrow.
whole lies with a half smile
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
December 12 2010 14:22 GMT
#477
Wait so,

1) We all knew Kenpachi was most likely town, just posting scummy because that's how he usually is.
2) zeks was definitely a better option. Still think he has a good chance of being mafia.
3) We lynch Kenpachi?

...Consider me confused.

People to look at imo:

zeks
Eiii
Brocket
LSB
DCLXVI
Insanious
tree.hugger
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 12 2010 15:26 GMT
#478
obligatory lol post
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Brocket
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia192 Posts
December 12 2010 16:10 GMT
#479
Zeks and kenpachi, but kenpachi and jcarl seemed to back eachother up and focus attention on gabriel. In fact I thought if kenpachi turned out to be mafia, then jcarl would also be mafia so it was a sort of 2 for 1. People did put good arguments for zeks but because I didn't notice him much I didn't think about him, which I suppose makes the arguments against him stronger.

Feel free to look at what I've said. I've mostly just been looking at what people have been saying and then briefly looked at 'analyses' of what people said if you want to save yourself some time.
I don't know what happened.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 12 2010 17:27 GMT
#480
GGQ: Since you've played forum mafia before, could you provide links of some of your games?

This may be WIFORM.
But I don't believe that the Mafia would support the Gabriel lynch when Kenpachi works so well. Mafia day one would want to defend a Townie, but get the Townie lynched, so they look better.
Kenpachi would fit that role. All the Mafia would have to do is subtly defend him, but allow him to become lynched.

I'm not saying that everyone who defended Kenpachi is mafia. I'm saying its pretty likely that the people attacking Gabriel were mostly green
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