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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On December 12 2010 23:22 DarthThienAn wrote:
Wait so,
1) We all knew Kenpachi was most likely town, just posting scummy because that's how he usually is.
2) zeks was definitely a better option. Still think he has a good chance of being mafia.
3) We lynch Kenpachi?
...Consider me confused.
People to look at imo:
zeks
Eiii
Brocket
LSB
DCLXVI
Insanious
tree.hugger
On December 13 2010 00:26 flamewheel wrote:
obligatory lol post
It's much easier to say "I knew he was town" after he... er... flips town. Thankfully, Darth is at least showing how it's partly done, by actually providing a list of other people whom he finds suspicious. This is good, however I'm confused about how you got from this:
kenpachi 12
tree.hugger
deconduo
Insanious
Brocket
LSB
jcarlsoniv
DCLXVI
Kavdragon
ShoCkeyy
seRapH
Amber[LighT]
Eiii
To your list. Zeks obviously never switched his vote from StormTemplar to save himself, but he is at the top of your list for reasons already outlined. But the rest of your suspicions come from the Kenpachi vote list, and I'm wondering why deconduo, jcarlsoniv,Kavdragon, ShoCkeyy, seRapH, and Amber[LighT] were left out. Or perhaps you need to explain your methodology for including the names you did.
Once again, if you have suspicions, you must articulate them. Names aren't helpful, reasoning is.
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iiiinteresting. It seems like town decided (again) to bandwagon onto an "inactive" then all went AFK and didn't switch onto a far more scummy person. Oh well, fairly standard for TL day 1, I guess.
I'm still torn as to whether an Alakazam should check zeks tonight, and report back. On one hand, we do want to be 100% sure. On the other, he's proven to be a decent lynch target already, and we really don't want to waste an Alakazam this early...
Gah.
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On December 13 2010 03:34 BrownBear wrote:
iiiinteresting. It seems like town decided (again) to bandwagon onto an "inactive" then all went AFK and didn't switch onto a far more scummy person. Oh well, fairly standard for TL day 1, I guess.
I'm still torn as to whether an Alakazam should check zeks tonight, and report back. On one hand, we do want to be 100% sure. On the other, he's proven to be a decent lynch target already, and we really don't want to waste an Alakazam this early...
Gah.
Um did you even read the thread... Kenpachi was one of the most active players in the thread, but every single one of his posts seemed scummy, he didn't even defend himself once he was put into first place. There was also a very close race between him and Zeks where Zeks was also kind of active... we didn't go after an inactive at all, don't know where your information is coming from...\
Also if you look, there were like 6 - 7 vote switches near the end of the vote, as well numerous people were talking in the thread asking for kenpachi to defend himself... I'm lost as to where you came up with us voting an inactive and then going inactive at the end of the vote...
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Last four mafia games:
Pokemafia: Kenpachi lynched as town for scummy posts
Salem Mafia: Kenpachi comes an hour way from being lynched as medic
Insane Mafia: Kenpachi lynched as town hero for scummy actions
Haunted Mafia: Recieves Scummiest Townie award
If I were a TR and one of my buddies were in trouble, Kenpachi would be the first person I go after. He has a history of scummy town posts and the inability to defend himself (which usually results in him calling out his attacker). Day 1 is tough, but those who started the bandwagon need to watched.
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I bet 100 esports dollars that in Kenpachi's first game as mafia no one will lynch him.
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On December 13 2010 04:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I bet 100 esports dollars that in Kenpachi's first game as mafia no one will lynch him.
No because he'll act like a perfect townie and everyone will smell something is wrong 
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Roles are based off past games from G00SE, Kuja900 and Loli.ta, as well as the teamliquid.net forums and epicmafia.com. Special thanks to mikesol and Smushface for helping me with the clues this time around.
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On December 13 2010 04:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 04:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I bet 100 esports dollars that in Kenpachi's first game as mafia no one will lynch him. No because he'll act like a perfect townie and everyone will smell something is wrong
Ken "opposite day" pachi
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On December 13 2010 04:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I bet 100 esports dollars that in Kenpachi's first game as mafia no one will lynch him.
I see your 100 and raise you one kajillion esports dollars.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2010 03:21 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 23:22 DarthThienAn wrote:
Wait so,
1) We all knew Kenpachi was most likely town, just posting scummy because that's how he usually is.
2) zeks was definitely a better option. Still think he has a good chance of being mafia.
3) We lynch Kenpachi?
...Consider me confused.
People to look at imo:
zeks
Eiii
Brocket
LSB
DCLXVI
Insanious
tree.hugger
It's much easier to say "I knew he was town" after he... er... flips town. Thankfully, Darth is at least showing how it's partly done, by actually providing a list of other people whom he finds suspicious. This is good, however I'm confused about how you got from this: Show nested quote +kenpachi 12
tree.hugger
deconduo
Insanious
Brocket
LSB
jcarlsoniv
DCLXVI
Kavdragon
ShoCkeyy
seRapH
Amber[LighT]
Eiii
To your list. Zeks obviously never switched his vote from StormTemplar to save himself, but he is at the top of your list for reasons already outlined. But the rest of your suspicions come from the Kenpachi vote list, and I'm wondering why deconduo, jcarlsoniv,Kavdragon, ShoCkeyy, seRapH, and Amber[LighT] were left out. Or perhaps you need to explain your methodology for including the names you did. Once again, if you have suspicions, you must articulate them. Names aren't helpful, reasoning is.
My problem is that I thought it was pretty obvious that Kenpachi was town BEFORE he flipped. Like I said, he posts like crap or "scummy" but "scummy" posting =/= scum. More often, it's townies who have contradictory posts and poor logic and all those other things (to an extent). It's better to look for people who say stuff like "This thread needs more analysis" and then they don't offer any of their own, or people who drop in and say "this person looks kinda scummy, this person looks kinda scummy" and then they disappear after that.
For example, I voted for zeks day 1 because his posts are. for the most part, neutral/non-committal. The "kinda sorta maybe" posting is the kind that I'd consider scummy. Also people who say one thing in the thread, but then "change their minds" at the end of the day and vote for someone without a solid reason.
The ordering of my list wasn't by rank or anything, just as the names came to my head. zeks I explained.
Eiii
On December 10 2010 13:11 Eiii wrote:
Look at ken's history (from salem, at least)-- he spammed and was generally unhelpful even though he was medic. tbh between your constant accusations and random voting, you're being more distracting than he is.
Okay, so he knows that Kenpachi is a bad poster when he's medic. Comments about Gabriel. (Note that bad poster =/= mafia. I hope we've all learned our lesson from lynching Kenpachi?)
On December 10 2010 16:02 Eiii wrote:
Trying really really hard to paint ken as scum. And he doesn't even have any decent basis for it! One quote is a throwaway reaction to the day 1 post, one quote is asking about rules of the game, and the rest are useless but harmless posts. Like I said before, if he had taken even a second to look at ken's play in salem he would have seen that ken spammed like crazy even though he was medic. He might be active but he's certainly not helpful, and I think he knows it.
Personally, I *do* think good analysis can be done day one. My vote's with gabe for now.
Again, Kenpachi is town.
On December 11 2010 16:58 Eiii wrote:
...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O
totally yo. He's clearly not mafia then.
On December 12 2010 11:19 Eiii wrote:Alright, so as much as I don't like his posts gabriel seems to pretty clearly be a townie at this point. Looks like actual discussion makes him put out decent content instead of just blindly lashing out, so hopefully that keeps up :D I'm switching my vote to ken. He's already been analyzed to death, but what I really don't like is this: Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Zero response to DC's attacks, just semi-claims to be blue to avoid a lynch. Obviously he takes it back a post later, but I just can't get over how disruptive a move this is.
Complete turnaround... starts the game off saying how he thinks Kenpachi is a bad poster. Then he changes his mind because Kenpachi continues posting poorly? Not to mention he's the last vote.
Brocket
playing the newbie card quite a bit, which I don't like. But
On December 10 2010 23:35 Brocket wrote:
Good points raised by amber. I think it can go either way as well. If Gabe gave solid arguments that were easy to follow then I would honestly have not voted for him. It's like a vote for reason. As it stands I won't be changing my vote for this day phase but I admit it was too hasty.
I think it should be emphasised that any one of us voting for gabe could be mafia too (or people voting off infund for that matter) and with 31 players it won't be that hard to get gabe out of the hot water if we want to keep him.
On December 11 2010 22:51 Brocket wrote:
##unvote gabriel
##vote kenpachi
herpdederp..
On December 11 2010 14:19 Brocket wrote:
I think whatever Gabe did so far pales in comparison to the outbursts we're getting recently. I'm reconsidering my vote.
This is the kind of useless post that you should look out for. What does it say? What does it do for the town? Absolutely nothing, except give Brocket an easy way out. Can easily be interpreted as a "I might need to switch my vote later on to save my scumbuddy."
On December 11 2010 14:58 Brocket wrote:
If you want to pick mafia. I can guarantee you one of us picking gabe is a mafia. Just for future reference in case I somehow die overnight somehow. I'm not paranoid or nothing.
What does this post even mean? How do you know someone picking him is mafia? Other than the fact that you're mafia and you noticed that one of you is voting for Gabriel?
On December 11 2010 16:46 Brocket wrote:
I'm taking what gabe said with a grain of salt. But I should do the same for everybody else.
Sounds pretty rough but if gabe turns out to be a villager then people have a lot of explaining to do.
Yet another wishy-washy, non-committal post. Especially the bolded part.
On December 11 2010 22:48 Brocket wrote:
If you guys are gunning for kenpachi, then what about jcarlsoniv? It seems like they're a couple.
Also the arguments for kenpachi/zeks are compelling. I think gabe is pretty glad that others are voting for these two so I have to ignore what gabe says honestly, for now.
I'm also more curious about whether kenpachi is a mafia than gabriel is. Because kenpachi seems to be more likely mafia than gabriel at this point (im putting gabe down as a quasi helpful townie for now) I will change my vote to kenpachi.
Please excuse my laziness to format the capitals/potential grammar mistakes. I came back from a party just now but my will to change vote is strong.
Cool, so you've told us that Kenpachi more likely mafia than Gabriel. What about zeks? You read the analysis. You "took it with a grain of salt."
On December 12 2010 14:22 Brocket wrote:
= /. Massive sigh. So kenpachi was voted out because:
He was a pikachu who acted like mafia. Why would you even do that? Gah. The mafia know who's on their team right? You're the reason why we can't have nice things Kenpachi.
He was a pikachu who made out to be mafia by mafia who knew he's always acted suss consistently in every game. I am so disappoint.
"Massive sigh." Good acting 
How do you know it was the mafia that framed Kenpachi? Why are you disappoint? A townie died.
On December 12 2010 18:19 Brocket wrote:
I regret changing my vote to kenpachi. As a direct result we have to keep gabe for another night/day's worth of discussion. God help us all.
Mafia please kill him or me. Kthx.
tbh, I don't see what all the rage is about Gabriel's posting. It's somewhat hard to understand sometimes but it's not as terrible/lacking as some others in the thread, and he's made several good points during the first day.
On December 13 2010 01:10 Brocket wrote:
Zeks and kenpachi, but kenpachi and jcarl seemed to back eachother up and focus attention on gabriel. In fact I thought if kenpachi turned out to be mafia, then jcarl would also be mafia so it was a sort of 2 for 1. People did put good arguments for zeks but because I didn't notice him much I didn't think about him, which I suppose makes the arguments against him stronger.
Feel free to look at what I've said. I've mostly just been looking at what people have been saying and then briefly looked at 'analyses' of what people said if you want to save yourself some time.
Start contributing your own thoughts to the thread. kthxbye.
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I don't feel like explaining anymore~ the names on the list are just people who I've noticed after day 1. Let's watch who the mafia hit because it's always in their best interest to snipe people who are hot on their tails. Also in their best interest to kill off the active members, more so than blues I'd say. For example, I'd rather target a townie Qatol than a blue nobody, just because I think Qatol is more of a threat.
Again, these are just suspicious people. Looking back at that voting list, I think I'd throw deconduo onto my list as well. Haven't looked at his posts thoroughly, but I feel like he just came in, voted, and left.
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Previous data from players is useless. Half decent players are able to get away with different playstyles. Im sure TL veterans dont look previous games unless there is a contradictory post from the accused in the active game (refered to the old game).
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On December 13 2010 05:43 Gabriel wrote:Previous data from players is useless. Half decent players are able to get away with different playstyles. Im sure TL veterans dont look previous games unless there is a contradictory post from the accused in the active game (refered to the old game).
I wouldn't say that. It might have saved Kenpachi's life had more people taken it into consideration. There are very few players able to completely posting style on a dime, and most of those that can (*cough* ace *cough*) are already known for it.
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On December 13 2010 04:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I bet 100 esports dollars that in Kenpachi's first game as mafia no one will lynch him.
No Bet
Already happened (Deconduo's game)
On December 13 2010 05:43 Gabriel wrote:Previous data from players is useless. Half decent players are able to get away with different playstyles. Im sure TL veterans dont look previous games unless there is a contradictory post from the accused in the active game (refered to the old game).
Previous data is increadbily important to attempt to figure out differences in play.
GGQ is inactive this game, and I've vertifying if he actually could play the newbie card.
From the few pages I browsed, GGQ is a pretty active player. This is considerable different from what is happening in this thread.
On December 13 2010 05:56 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 05:43 Gabriel wrote:Previous data from players is useless. Half decent players are able to get away with different playstyles. Im sure TL veterans dont look previous games unless there is a contradictory post from the accused in the active game (refered to the old game). I wouldn't say that. It might have saved Kenpachi's life had more people taken it into consideration. There are very few players able to completely posting style on a dime, and most of those that can (*cough* ace *cough*) are already known for it.
AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays.
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Hey! I hope everyone else had a great weekend.
Ah well, lynching townie on Day 1 is not uncommon, in fact, it's somewhat expected. I'm glad we didn't get a blue though.
I was unsure about Kenpachi going into the lynch (while other people say they knew he was town 100%, well hindsight 20/20 and all that...) partly because as it was apparent he was going to die, his defense was awful and he was chainsaw defending. However, in retrospect, I guess he does do that in all of his games.
I also wasn't very inclined to vote for zeks, although I do find him very suspicious, because Gabriel was the one to really start the lynch on him, and I still don't trust Gabriel.
One thing that really jumped out at me was zeks' pre-goodbye post:
On December 12 2010 12:38 zeks wrote:
I think I'm dead ?
Oceanic
meapak
Hesmyrr
infundibulum
Please take a good look at these people especially infun. Votes came off him way too easily and the people who voted for him got mobbed immediately for the dumbest reasons.
Cheers and at least u didnt get a blue
He doesn't mention Gabriel on his "look at these people" list, even though Gabriel was the one to point the gun in zeks' face. Also (a bit of WIFOM here), if zeks had actually counted the votes, he would know he wouldn't be lynched, so he could post this and sort of get away with it, knowing he would still be alive.
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On December 13 2010 06:06 LSB wrote:
AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays.
What other games have I been scum in?
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On December 13 2010 06:23 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 06:06 LSB wrote:
AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays. What other games have I been scum in?
LOL are you just agreeing you are scum?
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On December 13 2010 06:24 Gabriel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 06:23 zeks wrote:On December 13 2010 06:06 LSB wrote:
AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays. What other games have I been scum in? LOL are you just agreeing you are scum?
Where the hell are you getting that from?
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On December 13 2010 05:33 DarthThienAn wrote:
Eiii
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Complete turnaround... starts the game off saying how he thinks Kenpachi is a bad poster. Then he changes his mind because Kenpachi continues posting poorly? Not to mention he's the last vote.
Interesting point. It could be attributed with frustration, or to try to take off pressure from Zeks.
On the other hand, lots of people were voting kenpachi, so maybe he went with the flow.
I don't agree with your analysis of Brocket though.
On December 13 2010 01:10 Brocket wrote:
Zeks and kenpachi, but kenpachi and jcarl seemed to back eachother up and focus attention on gabriel. In fact I thought if kenpachi turned out to be mafia, then jcarl would also be mafia so it was a sort of 2 for 1. People did put good arguments for zeks but because I didn't notice him much I didn't think about him, which I suppose makes the arguments against him stronger.
Feel free to look at what I've said. I've mostly just been looking at what people have been saying and then briefly looked at 'analyses' of what people said if you want to save yourself some time.
This was what I thought too (If unspoken).
Brocket, since you've been looking at what people have been saying, do you see anything strange?
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On December 13 2010 06:25 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 06:24 Gabriel wrote:On December 13 2010 06:23 zeks wrote:On December 13 2010 06:06 LSB wrote:
AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays. What other games have I been scum in? LOL are you just agreeing you are scum? Where the hell are you getting that from?
What? im not good at English but you just wrote:
What other games have I been scum in?
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On December 13 2010 06:28 Gabriel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 06:25 zeks wrote:On December 13 2010 06:24 Gabriel wrote:On December 13 2010 06:23 zeks wrote:On December 13 2010 06:06 LSB wrote:
AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays. What other games have I been scum in? LOL are you just agreeing you are scum? Where the hell are you getting that from? What? im not good at English but you just wrote: What other games have I been scum in?
Meaning in what past games have I been scum? Reading into things too much?
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