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Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
August 07 2013 13:50 GMT
#3561
Nah he means 50% or better, so 8 takes 4 to lynch, if there's 4-4 they're both outta there
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 07 2013 14:05 GMT
#3562
On August 07 2013 22:50 Sylencia wrote:
Nah he means 50% or better, so 8 takes 4 to lynch, if there's 4-4 they're both outta there


Exactly.

And besides, sometimes you need two-thirds majority in politics. Doesn't mean it's a good idea in a mafia game.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 07 2013 14:15 GMT
#3563
Majority minus one also means 3 out of 7
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 07 2013 14:20 GMT
#3564
nothing wrong with the good old normal whoever has the most votes at the end of the day is lynched

could anyone make a case on why majority lynch would create better/more interesting gameplay? As I see it, it only limits options for both sides and funnels the game into a sort of one man team where everyone has to consolidate on one read regardless of their beliefs, or you look very scummy as a no lynch can easily occur.
I come in for the scraps
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 07 2013 14:25 GMT
#3565
baddies gotta learn how to consolidate and/or how to swallow your ego.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 07 2013 20:26 GMT
#3566
Because getting people to try and rally votes is infinitely more fun than shit "oh well he has most votes, let him die" stupidity. Voting analysis and persuasiveness are rewarded in Majority Lynch. You can also create roles that take advantage of voting mechanics better.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 07 2013 20:28 GMT
#3567
On August 08 2013 05:26 Ace wrote:
Because getting people to try and rally votes is infinitely more fun than shit "oh well he has most votes, let him die" stupidity. Voting analysis and persuasiveness are rewarded in Majority Lynch. You can also create roles that take advantage of voting mechanics better.

I think the problem here (as I stated somewhere in the Titanic thread) is that towns really seem to suck balls these days (at least the ones I've been a part of lololol) and Majority lynch always seems to favour scum when towns are dumb and/or inactive.

What kind of roles are you referring to that could take advantage of voting mechanics other than something like a listcheck?
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 07 2013 20:28 GMT
#3568
@Ace. Voting analysis and persuasiveness are both rewarded in plurality too. The difference is that in plurality there's far less punishment on players who are playing reasonably to playing well because of all the goddamn lurking that's been going on as of late. Lurking needs to be punished harder in game and out of game. We need more vigs.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 20:49:28
August 07 2013 20:47 GMT
#3569
On August 08 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 05:26 Ace wrote:
Because getting people to try and rally votes is infinitely more fun than shit "oh well he has most votes, let him die" stupidity. Voting analysis and persuasiveness are rewarded in Majority Lynch. You can also create roles that take advantage of voting mechanics better.

I think the problem here (as I stated somewhere in the Titanic thread) is that towns really seem to suck balls these days (at least the ones I've been a part of lololol) and Majority lynch always seems to favour scum when towns are dumb and/or inactive.

What kind of roles are you referring to that could take advantage of voting mechanics other than something like a listcheck?

Roles like doublevoters/vote thiefs are much stronger in majority lynch.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 07 2013 20:57 GMT
#3570
I am a noob so take what I say with a grain of salt: I think that majority lynch only works well in certain setups. In Titanic there were 10 town and 4 scum with 1 factional KP. If that had been 11 town and 4 scum it would of been much easier to get enough votes for a lynch without relying on night actions blocking a KP. With 10/4 it quickly becomes hard for town to secure lynches on scum.

I just think that game setup should be adjusted accordingly if majority lynch is used. To be fair in Titanic it did not help that the Veteran claimed and the Doctor forgot that he was not a VT and did not use his role.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 07 2013 21:04 GMT
#3571
On August 08 2013 05:26 Ace wrote:
Because getting people to try and rally votes is infinitely more fun than shit "oh well he has most votes, let him die" stupidity. Voting analysis and persuasiveness are rewarded in Majority Lynch. You can also create roles that take advantage of voting mechanics better.


how is voting analysis rewarded when everyone is just on the same person? there's nothing to analyze. Seems like you are arguing against majority lynch here? All the things you said are problems with majority lynch. There is no persuading or any of that, it's just EVERYONE VOTE THIS GUY CUZ IM TOWN IF U DONT UR BAD/SCUM hu33u3u3
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 07 2013 21:17 GMT
#3572
On August 08 2013 06:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is no persuading or any of that, it's just EVERYONE VOTE THIS GUY CUZ IM TOWN IF U DONT UR BAD/SCUM hu33u3u3

A sentence also known as standard persuasion.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 07 2013 21:20 GMT
#3573
On August 08 2013 06:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 06:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is no persuading or any of that, it's just EVERYONE VOTE THIS GUY CUZ IM TOWN IF U DONT UR BAD/SCUM hu33u3u3

A sentence also known as standard persuasion.


except you have no choice regardless of persuasian or not, because if you don't vote with everyone else you are being anti-town due to the mechanics.

As I said, there is no persuading that occurs. You are forced into voting with the group due to majority lynch.
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 21:30:14
August 07 2013 21:28 GMT
#3574
On August 08 2013 06:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 06:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 06:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is no persuading or any of that, it's just EVERYONE VOTE THIS GUY CUZ IM TOWN IF U DONT UR BAD/SCUM hu33u3u3

A sentence also known as standard persuasion.


except you have no choice regardless of persuasian or not, because if you don't vote with everyone else you are being anti-town due to the mechanics.

As I said, there is no persuading that occurs. You are forced into voting with the group due to majority lynch.

That's not true at all.
I have been in majority lynch games where I have flat out refused to vote for the person the 'group' is going for.
It's just that lately you're more likely to get a no-lynch (which for the most part is anti-town except in a few specific cases) when half of the players in a game lurk, or don't bother voting or contributing. You don't have the luxury of not voting for someone who you may not believe is scum because then you won't get any flips at all.

If you don't think the person that everyone is voting for is scum, then you don't vote for them, simple as that. You'd just better be persuasive in your reasoning, which I believe fits to what Ace is saying.

Edit: I'll make it clear---I don't mind majority lynch as an option, but LATELY I do because of the recent calibre of townplay. Instant majority solves that problem for the most part (unless people lurk for 3-4 straight days or whenever the host decides to just end the day in a no-lynch). The aforementioned voting mechanic roles would probably also mitigate this somewhat.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 07 2013 21:47 GMT
#3575
On August 08 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 06:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 08 2013 06:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 06:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is no persuading or any of that, it's just EVERYONE VOTE THIS GUY CUZ IM TOWN IF U DONT UR BAD/SCUM hu33u3u3

A sentence also known as standard persuasion.


except you have no choice regardless of persuasian or not, because if you don't vote with everyone else you are being anti-town due to the mechanics.

As I said, there is no persuading that occurs. You are forced into voting with the group due to majority lynch.

That's not true at all.
I have been in majority lynch games where I have flat out refused to vote for the person the 'group' is going for.
It's just that lately you're more likely to get a no-lynch (which for the most part is anti-town except in a few specific cases) when half of the players in a game lurk, or don't bother voting or contributing. You don't have the luxury of not voting for someone who you may not believe is scum because then you won't get any flips at all.

If you don't think the person that everyone is voting for is scum, then you don't vote for them, simple as that. You'd just better be persuasive in your reasoning, which I believe fits to what Ace is saying.

Edit: I'll make it clear---I don't mind majority lynch as an option, but LATELY I do because of the recent calibre of townplay. Instant majority solves that problem for the most part (unless people lurk for 3-4 straight days or whenever the host decides to just end the day in a no-lynch). The aforementioned voting mechanic roles would probably also mitigate this somewhat.


0o its like we're playing mafia! you're scum!

no but seriously I am not following with all the contradictions. The first bolded point is my point exactly, you can't not vote for people you don't think are scum as it results in a no lynch, which is incredibly asinine.
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 21:54:26
August 07 2013 21:53 GMT
#3576
Only in recent games do you not have that luxury, hence the sentence before that. You don't have people saying "I don't want to vote for _____, I don't give a fuck about no lynch," you just have people not showing up at all and throwing their vote somewhere last second and fucking things up or getting modkilled/replaced.
I guess I should have added a 'generally' to the second bolded sentence? Reading comprehension though, man.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 07 2013 21:58 GMT
#3577
Voting for your Town reads just to secure a lynch is even more Anti-Town than No lynching. No lynch is NOT strictly Anti-Town. If it was we would be stupid to consider even using it during MYLO situations.

People that vote with the Majority just to get a lynch off - Vayne if you have a problem with this then you also have a problem with people throwing votes on a wagon that won't result in a lynch in MVW setups too then, correct?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 07 2013 22:04 GMT
#3578
On August 08 2013 06:58 Ace wrote:
Voting for your Town reads just to secure a lynch is even more Anti-Town than No lynching. No lynch is NOT strictly Anti-Town. If it was we would be stupid to consider even using it during MYLO situations.

People that vote with the Majority just to get a lynch off - Vayne if you have a problem with this then you also have a problem with people throwing votes on a wagon that won't result in a lynch in MVW setups too then, correct?


No I have zero problem with that. I firmly believe in people having the right to vote for whatever they want without penalizing the town as a whole. It gets even stickier when you throw in time zones and shit. It is very hard to have every single player around for any deadline shenanigans and come to a conclusive lynch.

I just don't see what's so fun about forcing people to consolidate as opposed to not having to do so. The only valid point I've seen is that you can make some roles around vote stealing but the only recent game I can see that in was yours Ace. Carnival Cruise.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 07 2013 22:06 GMT
#3579
On August 08 2013 06:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only in recent games do you not have that luxury, hence the sentence before that. You don't have people saying "I don't want to vote for _____, I don't give a fuck about no lynch," you just have people not showing up at all and throwing their vote somewhere last second and fucking things up or getting modkilled/replaced.
I guess I should have added a 'generally' to the second bolded sentence? Reading comprehension though, man.


I don't see how my reading is bad.

We are in the current, the future and past are not important. Hardly changes anything but if you wanna just ad hom me then go ahead.
I come in for the scraps
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 07 2013 22:14 GMT
#3580
You've got 48 hours to debate on a lynch - how much more time do you really need to argue and fight over who are worthy candidates? :/

I guess I just find it more fun to argue and persuade people to move votes and reach a consensus. I have to engage in discussion with multiple players, and once I know someone will not vote the way I want I've gotta go elsewhere. I prefer this as it forces interaction for consolidation and I get to see reasons for why people won't vote a certain way. Aids in Scumhunting as Town and helps me know who has reads on who as Scum so I can manipulate the voting easier next time around.

When people don't have to consolidate on votes then you get stupidity like people dying with 6 votes in a 20 player game because other players do not have to vote at all for any competing wagons. Go look at how our Scum team gamed the Town in Nuclear Winter Mafia - once you guys dropped a Scum wagon we didn't even need to persuade you to vote the way we wanted. They got out of having the most votes? Whatever, let Town lynch who they want. Some of them will lurk anyway and MVW will take care of the rest. Somebody will always be lynched and it can be argued allowing for 100% lynch rate is as Anti-Town as it gets. If you feel that No lynching is Anti-Town then in ML you could even chastise the people not allowing the lynch to happen and call for Policy Vigi shots on them.

Bottom line is the game of Mafia is about player interaction and I find Majority Lynch promotes it better than Most Vote Wins in most setups. Obviously the larger the player list is, the less impact ML has on the game because of clutter and logistics in dealing with so many people. Here MVW shines as its just practical.
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