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On November 28 2010 09:53 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:50 Kenpachi wrote:On November 28 2010 09:44 Aeres wrote:On November 28 2010 09:37 Kenpachi wrote:On November 28 2010 09:24 Aeres wrote:On November 28 2010 09:10 Kenpachi wrote:On November 28 2010 09:07 Aeres wrote:On November 28 2010 08:56 aidnai wrote:On November 28 2010 08:31 SouthRawrea wrote:I feel that youngminii at this point in time has still been inactive for unreasonable amount of time for a game barring extraordinary situations. As my vote on DTA won't seem to have any effect for this day, I will be switching my vote to this inactive.  Actually, I am switching to DTA now. Maybe your vote could have an effect. I think Deconduo might switch to DTA as well, based on his analysis below. I am voting DTA because of his confusing and spammy posting, plus his weak accusation of DrH. On November 28 2010 05:57 deconduo wrote:
Theres a lot of people voting that aren't giving explanation for their votes. Whenever you place a vote you should definitely give reasoning behind it.
My opinions on possible lynch candidates:
1) I don't have a whole lot of experience with BrownBear, but the last game I was in with him he was pretty inactive and he was mafia.
2) Pandain is active, no need to vote for him anymore imo.
3)Kenpachi is pretty nooby. He was inactive in both games he played, town in one maf in the other. Not much to go on here.
4) Don't know anything about scara, regardless he should be posting more.
5)DarthThienAn: Spammed a lot early game which I didn't like because he created confusion. Calling for medic protection, pretending to run for mayor etc. doesn't help in games when theres a lot of new people. Even some vets got confused. I've got my eye on him.
6) Youngminii seems to be a decent player, should be posting more. As such I'm changing my vote to him to pressure. Your points are valid, but at this stage in the day, your vote for DTA won't really do anything, to be honest. I'm gonna be pointing the FoS* at him starting Night 1, but I'd say you're better off voting for either BrownBear or Kenpachi right now, since it's pretty likely one of them will be lynched tonight. + Show Spoiler [For the newer players] +FoS is the Finger of Suspicion. It's a term used to indicate that the user of the term is keeping a close eye on the target. It's not meant to indicate that they should be lynched, but rather that their actions and behavior should be more closely monitored than they would be otherwise. hello aeres. please tell me why you havent taken your vote off me? I said my vote wasn't absolute, because I wouldn't have been able to foresee major events happening between the time of my vote and the lynching. I still think you're a prime candidate for a lynch, due in part to your past apathy and your current fishiness. The annul analysis seems most convincing in my eyes, so I would have voted for him if it weren't for the fact that it's only you and BrownBear that are viable lynchees tonight. Since I'd rather make my vote matter, and because I'm not sold on BrownBear just yet, my vote remains on you. I just realized that I've been particularly antagonistic to you in every game I've played with you. Understand, I'm not holding a grudge, but I'm just working off what I know about your behavior and tendencies. No hard feelings. I dont understand why im more fishier than BrownBear.. Doing what i normally do every game. You should actually not suspect me if youre basing your vote on my behavior and tendency. And i voted for Annul before BrownBear because i also suspect him. Id rather have another person get lynched instead of me so i had to vote BrownBear. If I may be candid, it's not that I think you're Mafia, it's that I felt you were a liability regardless of your alignment. If you ARE Mafia, then lynching you is obviously a thumbs up for the town, but based on my past observations of your play, your town game is... lacking. But... you have a point there. I've decided to be a gentleman and give you the benefit of the doubt. Your posting frequency and quality have definitely improved from Haunted, so I'll let you off the hook. My vote will be changed to BrownBear now. But now the onus is on you. Convince me that this vote switch is warranted, and prove to me that you're not the couch potato you were in October! =D and i didnt even realize you that you were going against me in every game >_> ... whoops. *hides* alright! i appreciate you believing me  Also, we have to know what Deconduo is attempting with his experiment.. He pmed me and i said i can defend myself.. dunno if that was to mindfuck me or what Never said/PMd anything of the sort. The only PM I sent you was the one about the roleclaim.
Was being rash. after thinking about it, i decided to publish the pm but i assume that the pm was to force a roleclaim after voting me as a form of defense
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On November 28 2010 09:55 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:53 deconduo wrote:On November 28 2010 09:50 Kenpachi wrote:On November 28 2010 09:44 Aeres wrote:On November 28 2010 09:37 Kenpachi wrote:On November 28 2010 09:24 Aeres wrote:On November 28 2010 09:10 Kenpachi wrote:On November 28 2010 09:07 Aeres wrote:On November 28 2010 08:56 aidnai wrote:On November 28 2010 08:31 SouthRawrea wrote:I feel that youngminii at this point in time has still been inactive for unreasonable amount of time for a game barring extraordinary situations. As my vote on DTA won't seem to have any effect for this day, I will be switching my vote to this inactive. Actually, I am switching to DTA now. Maybe your vote could have an effect. I think Deconduo might switch to DTA as well, based on his analysis below. I am voting DTA because of his confusing and spammy posting, plus his weak accusation of DrH. On November 28 2010 05:57 deconduo wrote:
Theres a lot of people voting that aren't giving explanation for their votes. Whenever you place a vote you should definitely give reasoning behind it.
My opinions on possible lynch candidates:
1) I don't have a whole lot of experience with BrownBear, but the last game I was in with him he was pretty inactive and he was mafia.
2) Pandain is active, no need to vote for him anymore imo.
3)Kenpachi is pretty nooby. He was inactive in both games he played, town in one maf in the other. Not much to go on here.
4) Don't know anything about scara, regardless he should be posting more.
5)DarthThienAn: Spammed a lot early game which I didn't like because he created confusion. Calling for medic protection, pretending to run for mayor etc. doesn't help in games when theres a lot of new people. Even some vets got confused. I've got my eye on him.
6) Youngminii seems to be a decent player, should be posting more. As such I'm changing my vote to him to pressure. Your points are valid, but at this stage in the day, your vote for DTA won't really do anything, to be honest. I'm gonna be pointing the FoS* at him starting Night 1, but I'd say you're better off voting for either BrownBear or Kenpachi right now, since it's pretty likely one of them will be lynched tonight. + Show Spoiler [For the newer players] +FoS is the Finger of Suspicion. It's a term used to indicate that the user of the term is keeping a close eye on the target. It's not meant to indicate that they should be lynched, but rather that their actions and behavior should be more closely monitored than they would be otherwise. hello aeres. please tell me why you havent taken your vote off me? I said my vote wasn't absolute, because I wouldn't have been able to foresee major events happening between the time of my vote and the lynching. I still think you're a prime candidate for a lynch, due in part to your past apathy and your current fishiness. The annul analysis seems most convincing in my eyes, so I would have voted for him if it weren't for the fact that it's only you and BrownBear that are viable lynchees tonight. Since I'd rather make my vote matter, and because I'm not sold on BrownBear just yet, my vote remains on you. I just realized that I've been particularly antagonistic to you in every game I've played with you. Understand, I'm not holding a grudge, but I'm just working off what I know about your behavior and tendencies. No hard feelings. I dont understand why im more fishier than BrownBear.. Doing what i normally do every game. You should actually not suspect me if youre basing your vote on my behavior and tendency. And i voted for Annul before BrownBear because i also suspect him. Id rather have another person get lynched instead of me so i had to vote BrownBear. If I may be candid, it's not that I think you're Mafia, it's that I felt you were a liability regardless of your alignment. If you ARE Mafia, then lynching you is obviously a thumbs up for the town, but based on my past observations of your play, your town game is... lacking. But... you have a point there. I've decided to be a gentleman and give you the benefit of the doubt. Your posting frequency and quality have definitely improved from Haunted, so I'll let you off the hook. My vote will be changed to BrownBear now. But now the onus is on you. Convince me that this vote switch is warranted, and prove to me that you're not the couch potato you were in October! =D and i didnt even realize you that you were going against me in every game >_> ... whoops. *hides* alright! i appreciate you believing me Also, we have to know what Deconduo is attempting with his experiment.. He pmed me and i said i can defend myself.. dunno if that was to mindfuck me or what Never said/PMd anything of the sort. The only PM I sent you was the one about the roleclaim. Was being rash. after thinking about it, i decided to publish the pm but i assume that the pm was to force a roleclaim after voting me as a form of defense
ohwait you didnt quote the pm.. >_>.. well uhh yea.. i saw it as you telling me to defend myself via roleclaim
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On November 28 2010 09:56 DarthThienAn wrote:
I find it interesting that people are switching to BrownBear suddenly... I mean, I agree with them, but I just wanted to see what would happen if Kenpachi was in the lead for votes...
o_o
It would be the same because i just typed up a whole page worth of posts as if i was on the verge of being lynched, and it certainly is a possibility
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On November 28 2010 09:58 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:56 DarthThienAn wrote:
I find it interesting that people are switching to BrownBear suddenly... I mean, I agree with them, but I just wanted to see what would happen if Kenpachi was in the lead for votes...
o_o Thats what my experiment was as well. Every time someone has pushed kenpachi ahead in votes, someone else bumps up BB.
its basically the same as calling me out by forcing panic on me but i learned alot in Insane Mafia
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On November 28 2010 10:02 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 10:01 Pandain wrote:
Voting has ended.
Node is to be lynched. Lol, its not insane mafia.
seriously wtf
ohwait PANDAIN YOU TROLLED ME
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I think our next target can be Annul.
+ Show Spoiler [Pandain's Annul analysis] +On November 28 2010 05:17 Pandain wrote:Coag is right, regardless of how expletively he says so :p. It's time to pick a canidate. I'd rather have a 50% chance of getting the right canidate than a 1% chance if we let mafia decide since we have split the vote. With that, I am going to suggest someone who I myself am suscipcious of, that is, Annul. In short, he has been spamming or "contributing" without really contributing. The icing on the cake for me is of his pm with dr. h, which could've been a mafia slip up. Right now, I am uncertain his alignment, but more leaning with mafia. And since it's day 1, I think he's probably the best bet we have, along with Brownbear. However I am going to hold off on Brownbear since 1)We're SFA members 2) He does this sometimes, just going inactive and even getting modkilled. But I think either of them would be good lynches. His Posts this game:SPAM+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2010 22:26 annul wrote:PROTEGO Spam On November 27 2010 13:23 annul wrote:
harry potter stuff is all you ever need, this is SALEM mafia, we are all magical people here ok
produce your wand, yo.
spam On November 27 2010 13:38 annul wrote: spam Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 13:44 annul wrote:
what better way to teach the game than to show them precisely what the "non-learning" games are all about?
but okay, sure. real analysis?
the only thing we need now is pandain to attempt to get people to claim to him in PMs and to start a circle and we have a standard TL mafia game. drh is already vying for day 1 leader so we are certainly off to the normal start.
thing of note is that the OP explicitly says not all roles may exist in the game. dont do analysis assuming all these roles are there, especially when trying to reverse engineer rolecounts through the guise of "well, THIS is balanced!" etc.
also if this is a "learning game" then i guess we should stick to the bread and butter playstyles and not go all out with crazy trickeries and gambits and stuff This post was after he was called out for not contributing. Yet this post is not contributing at all by any means. Right now, what does this post say? 1.I'm doing this to teach people what NOT to do. (joke maybe) 2.We'll have a normal game if... 3.Don't analyze based on roles. This post really doesn't say anything. The only thing it really says is "let's make this a normal game", without really giving any opinions on the current situation. Also note that he was basically forced to contribute, and this is one of those things that I call "contributing without really contributing." Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 13:51 annul wrote:
ps i voted for darth because a random vote on drh is pretty frowntown given the daily circumstances Very weak reason for a lynch. Obviously darth is going to change, or at the very least it was a semi joke by darth. Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 14:15 annul wrote:
haunted and insane actually had a lot of content to discuss on day 1, surprisingly enough Irrelevant sentence. Extra Point:This PM he had with Dr. H was suspicious. Dr. H and I discussed it here. Note that annul said coag seemed suscipcious "despite his defense of dr. h" Now, why would that make coag LESS suspicious unless he knew that Dr. H was town? I will point out here it is possible that he just felt strongly that dr. h WAS town, but this is suspicious nonetheless. Show nested quote +----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: wow thats definitely suscipcious ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: maybe i didnt like his response to my pm Hide nested quote -
despite his defense of you, i like coagulation of this list. he has said a LOT of stuff and yet almost nothing at all at the same time.
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
pandain, coagulation, georgecloony, kitaman27, youngminii, and node
you have to pick 1 to lynch, who would it be? why does he trust me and say "despite his defense of you", why would defending me make coagulation innocent unless he knew I was town? doesnt seem like something a townie would say ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: i voted annul. I think it's pretty suscipcious how he's posting, only "contributed" after being called out on that. In addition, it seems to me he's just trying to contribute without really contributing, if you take a look at his posts its either spam or "Well..so far everything is normal." Hasn't offered any thoughts. Usually he does, so what do you think?
Yea its pretty early but still..
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But something might happen overnight so when in doubt, vote Annul
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On November 28 2010 10:13 annul wrote:
you quote pandain and add absolutely nothing to the conversation, its like "HEY DID YOU GUYS NOT SEE THAT POST??!?!?!?!"
yeah they did.
?? what the hell are you talking about there isnt any reason to defend myself from Day 1 Voters. im just rebringing it up so im not saying people didnt see it.
your post just increases suspicions on you because you seem more clueless than i was on page 18
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On November 28 2010 10:17 annul wrote:
i heavily defend attacks against me no matter what, green blue or red. make a note of this.
i claimed this in haunted (red), followed it up in insane (blue), and continued the trend in sengoku (blue, though i guess that isn't "proven" yet). why stop now?
didnt feel like defense and felt like signs of unawareness
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On November 28 2010 10:30 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 10:29 SouthRawrea wrote:
Okay please please please! Some of you really need to touch up on your reading skills. The Chaos Ensuant DID know who he was (read the role description). Also please consider the fact that it is highly likely that there is more than 1 chaos ensuant. Also try not to overstate things. (Ex: I heavily defend myself from attacks) I think what was meant is that no one but the CE knew who he was. So ie. Kenpachi is mafia, mafia don't know BB's role, mafia all jump on BB to save Kenpachi. Just throwing out a hypothetical situation.
except votes were changed towards BB as i convinced people 1 by 1 that lynching him is better
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On November 29 2010 10:18 annul wrote:
f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5
yea seriously ~_~..
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On November 29 2010 10:52 KtheZ wrote:
I feel sorry for the people who have been f5-ing for almost 50 minutes now.
~_~
;; lol
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On November 29 2010 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
OH MY GOD WHOOPS MAJOR FUCK UP
LOL Nvm then decent day.
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On November 29 2010 11:08 KtheZ wrote:
I think we should FoS Aeres next; he and ghrur changed their votes onto brownbear at the last second.
Either Aeres or Kenpachi.
yea i expected someone to mention my name because of ghrur ..
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On November 29 2010 11:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:This I received from Ghrur... I don't know if he was trying to keep me away from others, but he did provide a "list" he was suspicious of: Show nested quote +Hey, nights about to end, and we're about to get some new information, but before that happens, can I ask you what you think about Town's reasoning on who's mafia? I understand that I draw suspicion because I basically cemented Brownbear's lynch, and if we look at him as a townie, it's like, yeah durrr people who voted BB. But the thing is, I don't think that's actually a totally fair assumption to make. I mean, did you see Protact's way of "fishing?" I think it's the scum's way of getting in touch with the chaos ensuant. Then, guess what, Protact just happened to vote FOR Kenpachi to maybe help save Brownbear?
Anyway, I think it makes sense that mafia DID get in contact with BB, and in that case, we shouldn't be focusing on who voted BB, but who voted Kenpachi. This includes:
Barunder
Protactinium
Node
KtheZ
Youngminii
I'd say Node and Youngminii are fairly quiet, which both makes me think they could be lurking mafia. However, I'd like to get your opinion on this because while it makes sense, the rest of the town seemed to have just glossed over it. =/ Thanks for not killing me though, Ghrur. ^____^
You either got protected or he might be mindfucking you. Or he was planning on killing you the next night but i think this is quality info
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On November 29 2010 11:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 11:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:This I received from Ghrur... I don't know if he was trying to keep me away from others, but he did provide a "list" he was suspicious of: Hey, nights about to end, and we're about to get some new information, but before that happens, can I ask you what you think about Town's reasoning on who's mafia? I understand that I draw suspicion because I basically cemented Brownbear's lynch, and if we look at him as a townie, it's like, yeah durrr people who voted BB. But the thing is, I don't think that's actually a totally fair assumption to make. I mean, did you see Protact's way of "fishing?" I think it's the scum's way of getting in touch with the chaos ensuant. Then, guess what, Protact just happened to vote FOR Kenpachi to maybe help save Brownbear?
Anyway, I think it makes sense that mafia DID get in contact with BB, and in that case, we shouldn't be focusing on who voted BB, but who voted Kenpachi. This includes:
Barunder
Protactinium
Node
KtheZ
Youngminii
I'd say Node and Youngminii are fairly quiet, which both makes me think they could be lurking mafia. However, I'd like to get your opinion on this because while it makes sense, the rest of the town seemed to have just glossed over it. =/ Thanks for not killing me though, Ghrur. ^____^ You either got protected or he might be mindfucking you. Or he was planning on killing you the next night but i think this is quality info
well id assume he posted that expecting he wouldnt die and he cant predict his own death so i think he just fed you a list of confirmed blue and greens
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On November 29 2010 11:16 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 11:14 Kenpachi wrote:On November 29 2010 11:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:This I received from Ghrur... I don't know if he was trying to keep me away from others, but he did provide a "list" he was suspicious of: Hey, nights about to end, and we're about to get some new information, but before that happens, can I ask you what you think about Town's reasoning on who's mafia? I understand that I draw suspicion because I basically cemented Brownbear's lynch, and if we look at him as a townie, it's like, yeah durrr people who voted BB. But the thing is, I don't think that's actually a totally fair assumption to make. I mean, did you see Protact's way of "fishing?" I think it's the scum's way of getting in touch with the chaos ensuant. Then, guess what, Protact just happened to vote FOR Kenpachi to maybe help save Brownbear?
Anyway, I think it makes sense that mafia DID get in contact with BB, and in that case, we shouldn't be focusing on who voted BB, but who voted Kenpachi. This includes:
Barunder
Protactinium
Node
KtheZ
Youngminii
I'd say Node and Youngminii are fairly quiet, which both makes me think they could be lurking mafia. However, I'd like to get your opinion on this because while it makes sense, the rest of the town seemed to have just glossed over it. =/ Thanks for not killing me though, Ghrur. ^____^ You either got protected or he might be mindfucking you. Or he was planning on killing you the next night but i think this is quality info Protection= impossible. 1 Bomb max + 3NK + No vig until N2. = 4 deaths
lol thanks for clarifying i honestly didnt understand the mafia kp restrictions
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On November 29 2010 12:07 Node wrote:All right guys, I think there's something really important that most people have missed. Hopefully the revelation of ghrur as scum and the suspicions he cast on me clear my name a bit. Look at the bandwagoning of Pandain that nearly happened on day 1. Look at some of the names on that list, and look at who initiated it: our friend ghrur. I'd say at this point that I'm 90% positive Pandain is town. Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 10:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Pandain - 1
Coagulation
Ghrur
Radfield
Deconduo
Kenpachi
Aidnai And hey, look at who else was on the list of people who voted Pandain. And look who was conveniently spared yesterday due to a last-minute switch by ghrur himself. Come on guys, don't let kenpachi get away with this crap. Lynch kenpachi.
I dont understand why you included the people who voted for Pandain.. it doenst have anything to prove me as mafia.
Though, deconduo caused a fucking shitstorm on me by planting a bomb on ghrur and i understand why people would think im red because ghrur voted me on the last second
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