On November 12 2010 11:39 Coagulation wrote:
also i will mention doch did a damn fine job putting up with the barrage of mafia attacks on him and holding his cool and keeping town together.

if anyone gets any kind of pressure under fire award this game DOCH wins hands down.

Yea I felt bad for Dr.H. While he wasn't always on the right track the Town was so bad he never had a chance to cut through all the bullshit. By the time Infinitestory came around it was too late. I guess now Dr.H knows how it feels to appear so pro-town and have to deal with bad townies and Scum undermining you and how hard it is to find the difference.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 12 2010 03:43 GMT

#4324

On November 12 2010 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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Do you think I did alright for my first time as town?

Please stroke my broken ego

You did above average for a first time town. Kept your cool, kept trying to steer town in the right direction and most importantly kept the flow of information perfect. Keeping the town on a need to know basis is important because as you saw the last 2 days - too much information can lead to the town making some really weird decisions.

Better yet you had some good explanations for why some of us could have been Mafia but with little help early on and some key players dying you got screwed. I'm pretty sure if Fishball lived or bumatlarge got to live longer you would have had a better shot.

Overall you weren't a great scumhunter which is understandable but you were an above average leader. I think if you figured out Youngminii was 100% pro-town earlier in the game, with Infinitestory coming around things would have been much harder for us as we can't take out 3 obvious pro-town players so easily.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 12 2010 03:59 GMT

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I think I was asking for you to die at some point. There was a point where I was like lets kill anyone who if they have some kind of information role would be able to convince town to lynch us. I think we figure you didn't have that ability and only had Pandain nabbed who kept slipping through the cracks.

I think the major thing you could have done is just get Dr.H and IS to be like yo, let's all just focus on ONE guy - Pandain. Then watch how everything shakes out after. No idea if that would got me lynched because I was pushing for Pandain to die hard Day 3.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 12 2010 04:11 GMT

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On November 12 2010 13:03 youngminii wrote:
Damn.

I probably would've, but then that stupid rolecheck came back and messed with us. Should've seen through it, there is no reason why Pandain would have lived through those nights if he really was what he claimed he was.

Yea. There was a conversation in IRC where I said like, I don't know 15 things as to why Pandain should be dead now. I was like "Pandain if I was town I really would be pushing hard for your lynch." The big kicker that the Town really, really, really forgot that should have gotten Pandain lynched:

Dr.H said he could confirm his role. Pandain then claims he can too. Pandain doesn't get elected Mayor and then DAYS later when pressured Pandain finally role claims. He never offered up any free information for a guy who promised to scumhunt.

I said something earlier about scum always making promises to do something and then never do it because the town doesn't hold them accountable. Lol perfect example right there.

To make it even worse and more ironic, Dr.H couldn't confirm himself so Pandain screams YOU MUST BE SCUM! while also being unable to confirm his role.

Good thing lots of townies drowned out any attempt of you guys trying to figure out the bullshit.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 12 2010 05:28 GMT

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On November 12 2010 13:57 LSB wrote:

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Thats a metagame policy, and in reality, no one cares about the metagame. You only care about insane mafia. All the other games don't matter.

You should have let Ares live, he obviously didn't know about LaL, so it wasn't effective

It's not like Aeres lie helped the town. Where did it get them? We figured out that even if he's telling the truth the claim is ridiculous. Town gets confused off of it easily.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 12 2010 05:36 GMT

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On November 12 2010 14:31 infinitestory wrote:
^more like nobody listened when I said "That wasn't a scum play, it was a misguided, badly executed town play" ;___;

actually wait that was your fault >

lol and I'm glad you said it. You clearly saw the difference between "this is either Scum play or a bad town play". As Scum I was clearly going to push for an easy lynch like that. A town player with an unprovable claim and it makes no sense? Just drown out all the people who realize it may be a bad town lie and get the lynch, then lol at being the first on the wagon and watch 8 other people hop on.

But hey I hope this was a lesson to players about why lying as town can be a brutal blow. At the end of the day after Aeres died there were no leads into any Scum suspects, Aeres is gone, Dr.H is now open to be killed because the real BG died and lots of information on what roles are in the game fell into Scum hands. This is why lying as town is a pretty big deal - when it's all said and done how do you find out where the Scum are?