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Ace
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On November 07 2010 09:20 infinitestory wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=7#121 Ok cool. So I think we can forget about a Serial Killer then because the the KPs do make sense. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Secondly I was never accused by Dr.H or bum of being Scum. Bum said IF I'm mafia to kill him in a PM - a PM I revealed along with my entire conversation history with bum. So explain how that paints me as scummy? Also if we are going to go the route of an innocent player died so let's look at who was interacting with him then you yourself would be a prime suspect. Dr.H didn't exactly trust you and I don't either. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 07 2010 12:54 kitaman27 wrote: Since you are so great at starting bandwagons then, who should be next? We need to come up with two and I don't really see a lot of options at the moment >.< So I can hear "but Ace you started it!" as if I control 13 votes? lol I'll chill for a few more hours before I bring up my next case. Waiting to see what other Night actions come about. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote: I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP. Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. This is impossible. 1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim. 2.) If you were a Tracker/Watcher you would have been given the name of who I visited last night. If you're claim is legit then why didn't you say WHO I visited to prove it? You didn't. So now lets look at the people who quickly jumped on the lynch Ace wagon even though Kita's claim makes no sense. Of course, Kita for the lynch also. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote: I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP. Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote: 1. I am a Watcher 2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform 3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways. Something isn't adding up here. His role name is Watcher but he has Tracker abilities? Come on people your kidding me right? I was involved in last night's hit, but he doesn't get the name of who? So he isn't a Tracker or a Watcher (who would get name or number results) but something else that just gets vague information? He even shoves a possible cop out of insanity in there even though Watcher and Tracker roles don't have sanities? To top it all off when asked who he also checked - it turns out it's Infundibulum who was "cleared" by Infinitestory and Amber[light] who is slated to die tonight. He also said he didn't do this because he was waiting...right. Waiting to see who the lynch wagon was going to hit today before coming through with this "breakthrough" information. This is one of the worst role claims ever since it doesn't even make SENSE. How are you so quick to believe this? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 08 2010 07:46 infinitestory wrote: I have no reason to assume these roles are named standardly or work standardly. Also, if you're getting your information from mafiascum.net, his claim is more similar to the Role Cop variation of DT than Tracker or Watcher. Im getting my info from all the games I played, especially since I was the one who introduced Trackers and Watchers to Tl.net That said, if his role is more similar to Role Cop why didn't he reveal my role name? He hasn't revealed anyone involved in my alleged visit to the crime scene - not one. No role, no targets. He vaguely just said "Ace was involved in last night's hit" and you all jumped on it without even realizing his role makes no sense. Why so eager to get me lynched? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Watcher - Able to target a player. You either get the names of the people that visited the target that night or the number of players that visited the target. Tracker - Able to target a player. You find out who the target visited that night. There is no making up of a role here. These are the definitions of what the roles do. You messed up your fake claim. That's like calling yourself a detective and you shoot people at night, then I say you're a vigilante and you make a fuss about it. Nice that you coded my name into a post ahead of time, as if that proves you're telling the truth when you messed up your role claim. About Amber[light] - you don't think it's incredibly convenient that the 2 people you tracked : 1.) 1 was already claimed to be innocent by another player 2.) The other is slated to die tonight anyway So you don't have information on any other player, just 2 guys who are pretty much "solved". Come on, that's very convenient don't you think? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 08 2010 08:22 kitaman27 wrote: I'm pretty sure L informed Cube that his role was impossible based on the description as well. That went well. Watcher is the name my role was given. You are choosing to ignore the most important part, however. It doesn't matter that I know Amber is going to die tonight. Amber has not revealed his role to this point. Quite an unnecessary gamble that I claim he never left his house night two, don't you think? I don't know, maybe because if Amber did have a role that could leave his house by now he would have said something? 3 Nights have passed so it's not a big gamble to assume that if Amber did have an active role he'd have done something by now. Besides that doesn't say anything about Amber's alignment. But ok, let's put the fact that you have a Watcher role with Tracker abilities aside. If I was involved in the killings last night then who did I kill? If you are a Watcher role with some new kind of description then why don't you have the name of the player I targeted?. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 08 2010 08:27 kitaman27 wrote: Nemesis, I noticed you changed your vote from Ace to me based on his weak defense. Explain to me why I would put myself out here like this to target a single town member. 14 town remaining 5 mafia remaining A 1:1 trade doesn't work out too well, now does it? WIFOM. It's double lynch and you could be doing this to save a scum buddy with a better role. Using the "I wouldn't trade myself for a townie" is irrelevant as I'm sure Scum would love to get me lynched. Either way let's go back to L's argument about Cube's role being wrong. Look at all the roles revealed so far that show up in normal games: 1.) Doctors and Plague Doctors - protect targets from death and/or stop murrayitis 2.) Detective - get a random role at night, may be insane/sane 3.) Bodyguard - works like a normal bodyguard. Elected role can not die. 4.) Mayor - gets an extra vote, works like a normal mayor 5.) Vigilante - shoots at night, has a chance to shoot themselves 6.) Mad Hatter - places a bomb on a target, bombs blow up if the bomber dies 7.) Watcher - Has tracker abilities, does not get the name of the target How come of all the roles in the game that appear in a standard game your role is the only one that has nothing to do with the original role? Every other role even though modified has some relation to the original. But your Watcher role has Tracker abilities and does not get the name of a target. Based on the game setup your role doesn't even fit. So how am I making stuff up again? | ||
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Ace
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On November 08 2010 08:28 Amber[LighT] wrote: True. Though since I'm "targeted" wouldn't that mean I'm more likely to be pro-town? I wasn't saying you aren't. Just illustrating how convenient it all shapes up. @IS: Read my latest post as to how it just doesn't fit with the rest of the game. @Kita: Exactly. How can you not receive the name of the target when BOTH roles that you're alleged role is based on always do? How can your role be called WATCHER and it doesn't tell you who I interacted with? | ||
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Ace
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I'm not going to role claim because it would only help Scum if I don't get lynched. I don't role claim on the whim I might be lynched unless I'm sure it's going to help the town. At this time, it won't. A 1:1 trade isn't beneficial? Really, so knocking me out of the game when all suspicions on me boil down to "how are you still alive?" isn't great? Ok. But you can't deny that your role does not fit with ANY other role in the game. Your fakeclaim doesn't make sense, it doesn't even give you the name of a target which is what Tracker AND Watcher roles do. You can't be telling the truth. Your only response is to take it up with Artanis but so far, all of Artanis's roles have some bearing on their originals. So why does he need to say anything? | ||
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Ace
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Every other role in the game has relation to their originals. His role is the only role that does not, and on top of it he mixed up the role powers of Watcher and Tracker. How the hell is this even debatable? He just messed up a fake claim. | ||
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Ace
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=3394&topic_id=161289 On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote: It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p So kita claims he did whatever his fakeclaim role does and saw that Inf never left his house, AFTER Inf already says he hasn't used his role. Come on this is such a sad fake claim. He didn't do any investigating. His role doesn't make sense, he has no information on who I would have targeted if I have a visiting role, the role doesn't fit in with any other roles in the game, and he conveniently visited 2 players who were already cleared? Seriously? No way you guys are buying this right? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Why doesn't your role tell you who I targeted last night if it's legit? Why can't you answer that? Why can't you even address the fact that alleged your role is radically different from every other role in the game so far? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 08 2010 10:32 kitaman27 wrote: Why chose Amber then? Why not someone already dead like DrH? That would have been even more convenient wouldn't it? Because it's more convenient? Because Night Actions fail on the Mayor? Because if you said you tracked Dr.H on Night 2 everyone would ask why you didn't track him on Night 1 instead when it would have made more sense? Hey, I don't know why you chose Amber. But it doesn't address the other facts here: Your role doesn't fit with anything else in the game and you reveal 2 convenient targets to claim you watched. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
If you were really either one this is what you'd see: Tracker: You tracked Ace visiting Player X. Watcher : You watched Ace and Players X and Y or X amount of Players visited Ace. This is what you revealed: Ace was involved in the hit last night. How does that relate to either role? You have no information on what other targets were involved. You pretty much just said: Ace is Mafia because I found him tracked/watched him. I asked which person did you track/watch me to? You STILL can't answer that. No matter which role you choose you still need a target. You have none. You're lying. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I did point out that you claimed to choose Inf AFTEr he said he didn't use his role and after Is said he investigated him. Secondly you still don't understand how trackers and watchers work. It's not MY role - it's standard in every mafia game how the roles work. You choose to track or watch me - you get names back. That's it. You only have my name and nothing else. So your role can't exist. How come you are the ONLY one in the game that has a role that works differently from it's original? And now the lurkers are voting for me. Come on, now Kenpachi is going to vote for me because Meapak "defended" himself? Can this get more obvious? As if I haven't pointed out the flaws in Kita's fake claim. | ||
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Ace
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On November 08 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote: @Ace: I'm saying we kill kitaman and Pandain. If Pandain flips red and kitaman flips blue, then we lynch you. If the opposite happens, then we don't touch you. I think it's pretty reasonable, since I'm certain one of the two are scum. I've been saying Pandain is Scum for like what, 3 days now? But I'm just shocked that no one else is noticing these bandwagon votes coming out of no where. How many lurkers have we seen just jump out of the woodwork. Do YOU even believe Kita's claim? | ||
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