EPTEither he has Watcher/Tracker and can tell me who I was with last night or he has DT powers which wouldn't be able to tell him where I was. If he has DT powers AND Tracker/Watcher powers then why can't he answer the simple question of who the other person was? It's not adding up.
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Ace
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Either he has Watcher/Tracker and can tell me who I was with last night or he has DT powers which wouldn't be able to tell him where I was. If he has DT powers AND Tracker/Watcher powers then why can't he answer the simple question of who the other person was? It's not adding up. | ||
infinitestory
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infinitestory
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On November 08 2010 15:33 Ace wrote: @Nemesis: I'm not exactly a Vigilante per se. I've got a very careful role but I'm not going to fully claim yet. I'm just wondering how he can have the role he says he has but not be able to disclose some critical information. Either he has Watcher/Tracker and can tell me who I was with last night or he has DT powers which wouldn't be able to tell him where I was. If he has DT powers AND Tracker/Watcher powers then why can't he answer the simple question of who the other person was? It's not adding up. You're making assumptions. Nowhere has he said he can even figure out who the other person was. There's no reason to assume he will have exactly the role of a tracker OR exactly the role of a watcher, etc. Just because he can track someone like a tracker doesn't mean he can find the target like one, especially since the role appears to be named differently. | ||
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Ace
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On November 08 2010 15:30 infinitestory wrote: hits last night: DrH (bussed by deconduo, likely swapped with NB) Cubed (roleblocked while protting self, killed) Beneather (confirmed to have had his voodoo doll on DrH) DCLXVI (confirmed to have died due to role, selfdestructed) deconduo (confirmed to have died due to DC's selfdestruct) so you were involved in the hit of either DrH or Cubed? Why the hell? If you were one of the guys mentioned in the day post, that means you either carried out a hit yourself or were the guy roleblocking Cubed. Since there is no reason to roleblock a confirmed medic, and DrH was confirmed 100% townie just before, I have to assume you decided to hit Cubed. But that doesn't make sense either. Were you somehow involved in a killing in a way not mentioned in the Day post? The possibilities dwindle, and so does the likelihood of you being town. btw this now means that every inspection that kitaman made has been correct, even if his role name is weird. I could have sworn I was the one who pushed the idea of duo being bombed by DC. Correct? Why would I out myself when I didn't have to? I don't have role blocking powers though. That would mean I role blocked Dr.H Night 1 when I wanted to know if he was legit. That doesn't make sense now does it? | ||
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Ace
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On November 08 2010 15:35 infinitestory wrote: You're making assumptions. Nowhere has he said he can even figure out who the other person was. There's no reason to assume he will have exactly the role of a tracker OR exactly the role of a watcher, etc. Just because he can track someone like a tracker doesn't mean he can find the target like one, especially since the role appears to be named differently. I'm not making assumptions. I outlined this earlier: Doctor, Plague Doctor, Mayor, Vigilante, Detective, Bodyguard: Every single one of them have variations based on their original roles. None of them are named in a way that acts different from their original roles. So why would Kita be the only person so far that has a role that doesn't have any bearing on it's original? It does NOT fit with the rest of the roles in the game. | ||
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infinitestory
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On November 08 2010 15:37 Ace wrote: I could have sworn I was the one who pushed the idea of duo being bombed by DC. Correct? Why would I out myself when I didn't have to? I don't have role blocking powers though. That would mean I role blocked Dr.H Night 1 when I wanted to know if he was legit. That doesn't make sense now does it? Ok, that part of your story certainly fits together. but wait, you acted on DrH night 1? or am i misinterpreting | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 08 2010 15:33 Ace wrote: @Nemesis: I'm not exactly a Vigilante per se. I've got a very careful role but I'm not going to fully claim yet. I'm just wondering how he can have the role he says he has but not be able to disclose some critical information. . On November 07 2010 09:07 Ace wrote: Probably ended up like this: DC puts a bomb on beyonder and deconduo with all 3 dying. Beyonder had a voodoo doll on Dr. H. Scum hit some combination of NB, Dr.H, and Cubed. This assumes Node is telling the truth about NB. Which would mean NB got protected by a medic and Dr.H and Cube got popped. Being that we know Cubed was telling the truth, then we just have to figure out who he protected last night. That being said if NB is alive and Node was telling the truth then there is another doctor out there or NB has a Vet/bulletproof kind of role. Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer? So you admit to performing a vig type role on Deconduo and then proceed to provide a false outline of what happened that night. Sounds like an unnecessary lie that you know better than to commit. And that's not even getting to the fact that Deconduo has been relatively quiet. What could lead you to using up a vig role on him? | ||
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Nemesis
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I can certainly think of lots of better target than those two, that just seems so random. Night 1 best target would probably be DoctorH, Night 2 whoever is suspicious. | ||
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infinitestory
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On November 08 2010 15:42 Ace wrote: no no no. I didn't act on Dr.H. I was saying if I was a roleblocker, why would I role block Dr.H when I wanted him to prove his role. righty-o mmk that makes sense, but riddle me this now: kitaman now has 2 correct and confirmed investigations to his credit (i'm discarding the one in infundibulum): one on amber and one on you. How would a mafia know about this? Neither amber nor you claimed anything about your roles before he made his investigations public. even assuming kita is lying about his role, that doesn't explain how he has access to the knowledge of how deconduo died, same with amber not doing anything night 2. im starting to think that ace is some sort of supervigi and kita is some really oddly named actionchecker >______> | ||
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L
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Seems pretty clear that 666's bombs did not go off and that he killed himself. | ||
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kitaman27
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On November 01 2010 11:48 Ace wrote: So Aeres admits he lies AFTER I point out that in 3 different scenarios there's no way he could have been telling the truth. This is past policy lynching now, because if DC never said he didn't claim how are we sure Aeres would have "come clean"? He only admitted to the lie after both of us pretty showed he had to be bullshitting. On November 01 2010 14:05 Ace wrote: Seriously, why are we even discussing this? He got caught in a lie. There is no what if he's town stuff here. Even worse the scenario between him and DC was THE one concrete thing we had going for us to figure out scum. But you guys are sitting here arguing about Dr.H when right now we've got a more clear cut case to solve. The goal of the game is to lynch Mafia and we do it as easily as possible. Stop the WIFOM bullshit. you're only inviting trouble. We have confirmed Ace has lied about what he thought happened during the night. Shouldn't we hold him to his own standards? | ||
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infinitestory
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On November 08 2010 15:50 L wrote: I suggest you look at 666's hatter role and the last Day post before assuming Decuondo wasn't hit. Seems pretty clear that 666's bombs did not go off and that he killed himself. we never said 666 blew deconduo with a bomb, in fact we clarified several times that his bombs never went off at all ace said (untruthfully, it seems o_O) that deconduo probably died in 666's suicide bomb | ||
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Ace
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On November 08 2010 15:42 kitaman27 wrote: So you admit to performing a vig type role on Deconduo and then proceed to provide a false outline of what happened that night. Sounds like an unnecessary lie that you know better than to commit. And that's not even getting to the fact that Deconduo has been relatively quiet. What could lead you to using up a vig role on him? I admit to having some kind of killing role and that I targeted Deconduo. I didn't provide a false outline of what happened that night - I was trying to make sense of what happened that night. There very well could have been a bomb on duo for all I know that didn't go off. I clearly was interacting in a discussion of piecing the NKs together. Hmm let's see: because I'm pretty good at hunting Scum? I was already on to duo from a while back: On November 03 2010 23:19 Ace wrote: How can a plan succeed and fail at the same time deconduo? Thank god you aren't the mod of this game. This was right after deconduo tried to rationalize Aeres's plan after I said there was no way it could work. I pretty much had him on my Scumdar at this point. The only thing that had even remotely held me back from 100% committing was the fact that he voted for bumatlarge in the Mayor votes along with me. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:52 infinitestory wrote: we never said 666 blew deconduo with a bomb, in fact we clarified several times that his bombs never went off at all ace said (untruthfully, it seems o_O) that deconduo probably died in 666's suicide bomb Maybe you should have read his role pm when he flipped  | ||
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Ace
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On November 08 2010 15:52 infinitestory wrote: we never said 666 blew deconduo with a bomb, in fact we clarified several times that his bombs never went off at all ace said (untruthfully, it seems o_O) that deconduo probably died in 666's suicide bomb I said probably so I could see who would let information slip about the NK. The only people who would have a concrete idea on how the NKs played out would be scum. I tried to engage in a little discussion to see who would let too much slip. If you would have preferred me to say "oh yea, I've got another idea on how duo died but it's a secret!" then my bad homie ^_^ | ||
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infinitestory
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So who else is on your scumdar right now? (don't include kitaman, as I don't want this argument looping around anymore) | ||
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Ace
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