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On October 29 2010 13:27 LunarDestiny wrote:
One way that dts can create circle is to post their finding in a encrypted message and post on this very thread and use their mod pm as the encryption code.
That way, only dts (or any blue role) can communication with each others (assuming that all dt (or any blue role) role pms are the same).
That would be very elaborate and awesome in every way, haha.
On October 29 2010 13:19 LunarDestiny wrote:
I think there should be at least 1 dt in the game. In a normal mafia game where there are significant less players and vanila townies exist, there is still a dt or two. This game has 39 players, so it is safe to assume that dt exists.
Well, even though everyone has a power, there could still be less significant blues and more significant blues. I shall dub them Super-Blues. The Sub-Blues could be less powerful, and just have a small power so that they feel important. That's better than just being a green IMO.
For example, I was looking through the wiki, and there are a couple roles like the DoubleVoter, which allows the player to have two votes, one in the voting thread, one in PM. Although it does say that this is usually paired with something like DoubleVoter Cop, and we have no clue what roles are being used.
The Super-Blues could be like a regular game's blues, that are much more significant and powerful than the greens. These will probably be things like DTs, medics, vigi, etc. I do expect these regular powers to be in the game, but I also expect Artanis to have gotten creative and have some really awesome powers.
The mafia, on the other hand, is really outnumbered in this game, as someone stated earlier. Not only that, but since everyone has powers, it makes it that much more difficult for them. For this reason, I'm sure that the mafia have some really powerful abilities. The poison is very scary, especially because it will contaminate everyone who is in contact. This puts the mayor at a very high poisoning priority, since poisoning him will also poison his bodyguards (again, assuming there will even be bodyguards).
Holy Check...this game is gonna be insane.
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Forgot my slogan.
No flare, no gimmicks.
Just reason.
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On October 29 2010 13:47 Fishball wrote:
You know what, I'll just put this out there before I head to bed, so everyone listen up.
I will be running for Mayor.
- I'm a part of a circle, which its members are allowed to PM each other.
- This circle consists of 6 players.
- Every member knows who is in this circle.
- All member does not know each others role
- All member does not know each others alignment, whether Town or Mafia.
- There is a possibility that there is/are Mafia in this circle.
If I'm elected as Mayor, I'll be having the other 5 members role claim to me and the first step of coordination will start from there. We will have starting point. You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now. Like mentioned in a previous post, I've never bothered to run for Mayor in any of my previous games, but this time, it's a little bit different. I'm running Mayor for the protection, to be able to give town a head start without worrying of getting killed the other day, at the same time utilizing our circle's power to a greater potential.
Then there will be the second question, what if I'm Mafia? Well, this can also apply to any other candidates that are currently running for Mayor. The fact that I'm openly sharing this piece of critical information above, already shows my motives are pro-town. Mafia would never announce that they are in a circle this early in the game, and would try to squeeze every piece of information they can get within. It is also very likely that there will be at least one Mafia within this circle, which means the entire Mafia team would know about the circle's existence. The only group left in the dark would be the rest of the Town, had I not come out and make this announcement.
Worst case scenario, I did not get elected, and Mafia kills me the next day; My role flips and everyone knows I wasn't lying. Even if the circle takes a huge hit, the Town as a whole would at least be aware of this other situation.
Once again, I am running for Mayor.
If I win, I will be role claiming right away.
This is very interesting.
You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now.
This makes me think that you are a detective of sorts. This role would be very critical to a circle because it will allow you to find out the rest of the circle's affiliation.
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interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this?
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On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this?
Like mentioned in my post:
- All member does not know each others role
Which means, on top of the ability that we can PM each other, we all have our "real" roles.
PM within this group is a secondary ability.
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On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this?
He appears to be claiming that he specifically has a power that is very important to the circle, but unlike the masons they don't know each other's role or alignment.
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On October 29 2010 13:47 Fishball wrote:
You know what, I'll just put this out there before I head to bed, so everyone listen up.
I will be running for Mayor.
- I'm a part of a circle, which its members are allowed to PM each other.
- This circle consists of 6 players.
- Every member knows who is in this circle.
- All member does not know each others role
- All member does not know each others alignment, whether Town or Mafia.
- There is a possibility that there is/are Mafia in this circle.
If I'm elected as Mayor, I'll be having the other 5 members role claim to me and the first step of coordination will start from there. We will have starting point. You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now. Like mentioned in a previous post, I've never bothered to run for Mayor in any of my previous games, but this time, it's a little bit different. I'm running Mayor for the protection, to be able to give town a head start without worrying of getting killed the other day, at the same time utilizing our circle's power to a greater potential.
Then there will be the second question, what if I'm Mafia? Well, this can also apply to any other candidates that are currently running for Mayor. The fact that I'm openly sharing this piece of critical information above, already shows my motives are pro-town. Mafia would never announce that they are in a circle this early in the game, and would try to squeeze every piece of information they can get within. It is also very likely that there will be at least one Mafia within this circle, which means the entire Mafia team would know about the circle's existence. The only group left in the dark would be the rest of the Town, had I not come out and make this announcement.
Worst case scenario, I did not get elected, and Mafia kills me the next day; My role flips and everyone knows I wasn't lying. Even if the circle takes a huge hit, the Town as a whole would at least be aware of this other situation.
Once again, I am running for Mayor.
If I win, I will be role claiming right away.
Hmm, he does have quite a bit of experience - he played in the very first mafia, since 2008..
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67133¤tpage=6#113
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On October 29 2010 13:55 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? Like mentioned in my post: - All member does not know each others role Which means, on top of the ability that we can PM each other, we all have our "real" roles. PM within this group is a secondary ability.
I see. That is very interesting. Artanis did mention the possibility of there being several factions that can talk to eachother.
I'm not really sure why mafia wouldn't come out and claim this early on if they were part of this additional group. I can see why it's a pro-town thing to do, to establish the town circle, but mafia could benefit immensely from having the control/leadership position in this case.
Correct me if I'm wrong?
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Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players).
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On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players).
the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized
i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious.
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On October 29 2010 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 13:55 Fishball wrote:On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? Like mentioned in my post: - All member does not know each others role Which means, on top of the ability that we can PM each other, we all have our "real" roles. PM within this group is a secondary ability. I see. That is very interesting. Artanis did mention the possibility of there being several factions that can talk to eachother. I'm not really sure why mafia wouldn't come out and claim this early on if they were part of this additional group. I can see why it's a pro-town thing to do, to establish the town circle, but mafia could benefit immensely from having the control/leadership position in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong?
If I were Mafia, I would try to fish out the roles of each members, or any sort of information within the circle. But you're right, there is still the possibility of Mafia coming out and try to aim for the Mayor's voting power and extra cushion of protection.
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On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players).
I actually asked Artanis a crap load of questions and thought about it for a while before coming out.
From one of my questions, I asked if there are any other groups like us.
Artanis did not deny or confirm... so there you go, this might get even insane"r"
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On October 29 2010 14:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 29 2010 13:55 Fishball wrote:On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? Like mentioned in my post: - All member does not know each others role Which means, on top of the ability that we can PM each other, we all have our "real" roles. PM within this group is a secondary ability. I see. That is very interesting. Artanis did mention the possibility of there being several factions that can talk to eachother. I'm not really sure why mafia wouldn't come out and claim this early on if they were part of this additional group. I can see why it's a pro-town thing to do, to establish the town circle, but mafia could benefit immensely from having the control/leadership position in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong? If I were Mafia, I would try to fish out the roles of each members, or any sort of information within the circle. But you're right, there is still the possibility of Mafia coming out and try to aim for the Mayor's voting power and extra cushion of protection.
Correct, but I don't see how claiming you're part of the circle prevents you from doing that.
It does welcome a lot more scrutiny upon yourself that would be undesired if you were mafia trying to ruin the town circle. I'm torn, but I guess I'd rather have someone protected that is in some sort of circle than a mayor who can't really give us much information/coordinate anything.
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On October 29 2010 13:56 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 13:47 Fishball wrote:
You know what, I'll just put this out there before I head to bed, so everyone listen up.
I will be running for Mayor.
- I'm a part of a circle, which its members are allowed to PM each other.
- This circle consists of 6 players.
- Every member knows who is in this circle.
- All member does not know each others role
- All member does not know each others alignment, whether Town or Mafia.
- There is a possibility that there is/are Mafia in this circle.
If I'm elected as Mayor, I'll be having the other 5 members role claim to me and the first step of coordination will start from there. We will have starting point. You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now. Like mentioned in a previous post, I've never bothered to run for Mayor in any of my previous games, but this time, it's a little bit different. I'm running Mayor for the protection, to be able to give town a head start without worrying of getting killed the other day, at the same time utilizing our circle's power to a greater potential.
Then there will be the second question, what if I'm Mafia? Well, this can also apply to any other candidates that are currently running for Mayor. The fact that I'm openly sharing this piece of critical information above, already shows my motives are pro-town. Mafia would never announce that they are in a circle this early in the game, and would try to squeeze every piece of information they can get within. It is also very likely that there will be at least one Mafia within this circle, which means the entire Mafia team would know about the circle's existence. The only group left in the dark would be the rest of the Town, had I not come out and make this announcement.
Worst case scenario, I did not get elected, and Mafia kills me the next day; My role flips and everyone knows I wasn't lying. Even if the circle takes a huge hit, the Town as a whole would at least be aware of this other situation.
Once again, I am running for Mayor.
If I win, I will be role claiming right away.
Hmm, he does have quite a bit of experience - he played in the very first mafia, since 2008.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67133¤tpage=6#113
Actually, this is the first game, ran by Chuiu 
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251
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On October 29 2010 14:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players). the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious.
Definitely agree. Fishball's promise that he will give a full roleclaim if and when he is elected makes me feel safer about this. If his roleclaim ends up being bull, we'll probably find out quickly. However, I think we need to make sure that "highly scrutinized" clause DrH talks about here is well kept. Mayor may be an elected position of power, but that is by no means synonymous with town, especially with regards to someone campaigning for the position.
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On October 29 2010 14:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players). the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious.
I do agree with you Dr.H, I don't see much harm in electing him. The only thing we will lose is one bad lynch if he chooses anti-town. And, if he seems anti-town, then we can just get rid of him. I wonder how many Super-Blues are in this town circle, and if any others will step forward.
Does the mayor have to be elected by a certain time? If so, when? Just curious, because obviously there has to be time for discussion on who he will choose.
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On October 29 2010 14:13 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 14:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players). the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious. Definitely agree. Fishball's promise that he will give a full roleclaim if and when he is elected makes me feel safer about this. If his roleclaim ends up being bull, we'll probably find out quickly. However, I think we need to make sure that "highly scrutinized" clause DrH talks about here is well kept. Mayor may be an elected position of power, but that is by no means synonymous with town, especially with regards to someone campaigning for the position.
I'm sure we will have no problems with keeping the mayor "highly scrutinized". He is the head honcho, and he can't just fall off the face of the earth. If he does, that would be very suspicious.
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mayor needs to be elected after 48 hours after game starts. Then he type #kill "insert name" for the first day lynch.
At least this is how the past games worked.
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On October 29 2010 14:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 14:05 Fishball wrote:On October 29 2010 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 29 2010 13:55 Fishball wrote:On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? Like mentioned in my post: - All member does not know each others role Which means, on top of the ability that we can PM each other, we all have our "real" roles. PM within this group is a secondary ability. I see. That is very interesting. Artanis did mention the possibility of there being several factions that can talk to eachother. I'm not really sure why mafia wouldn't come out and claim this early on if they were part of this additional group. I can see why it's a pro-town thing to do, to establish the town circle, but mafia could benefit immensely from having the control/leadership position in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong? If I were Mafia, I would try to fish out the roles of each members, or any sort of information within the circle. But you're right, there is still the possibility of Mafia coming out and try to aim for the Mayor's voting power and extra cushion of protection. Correct, but I don't see how claiming you're part of the circle prevents you from doing that. It does welcome a lot more scrutiny upon yourself that would be undesired if you were mafia trying to ruin the town circle. I'm torn, but I guess I'd rather have someone protected that is in some sort of circle than a mayor who can't really give us much information/coordinate anything.
That is pretty much my story right there. The only reason I'm running for Mayor, as mentioned, is for protection. Nothing would work if I die the other day, as there is a possibility of Mafia within the circle.
I already mentioned Bum and Pandain isn't bringing much to the table, I promised I would.
I cannot prove that I am Town. Nobody can; But I can try to convince.
So ask yourself two questions.
- Which scenario would provide the town more information?
- Which candidate is most likely to be Town aligned?
You have your answer.
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I was hoping someone had a role that could make a circle. Have to be careful with that, but it beats my idea. Kinda skeptical though, this circle might not even exist  but thats for the future, eager to see how this progresses.
VERY SUSPICIOUS FISHBALL.
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