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On November 10 2010 14:11 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 14:03 L wrote:On November 10 2010 13:52 Nemesis wrote:On November 10 2010 13:39 L wrote:
Haha, wow. Maybe you should go back and actually read those posts before commenting them, because you've falsely characterized half my arguments. My statements regarding DrH on the top, for instance, were actually a defence of DrH's statement that he could be 100% confirmed.
The rest of the post, similarly, and perhaps oddly, ignores RoL's idea that there might be a godfather in the game, and that its probably pandain.
Why is that odd? Well, because you're 'confirmed' because he has you on his list. But if his list is bullshit, then so is your confirmation. Oh but wait, if his list is bullshit, then Kenpachi might be blue too, and lynching me/him would win you the game. If you were blue, you'd know you aren't confirmed, and that pandain isn't either.
Between you just plain lying about my positions, playing scummy all game, and overzealously trying to claim that you're confirmed, there doesn't seem to be much room for doubt. You've pretty much cemented that you/pandain are mafia in my mind. LOL you are using RoL's idea that there is a godfather role and it's probably Pandain when RoL flipped red. So you are using an argument that another red used to try and lynch someone? Can you be any more scummy at this point? Uh, if RoL flips red it doesn't mean he was lying. Every information role in the game was summarily killed, with the exception of pandain. Why? Mafia do this all the time. The argument you've made here is one of the only real examples of WIFOM in the thread. Lunar: This is pretty much why I think the list is bullshit; Coag asked DTs to check Pandain on day 1. This alone, pretty much one of the only requests for a DT check, is a huge GF tip off, especially in a game where everyone is blue; why bother asking for role confirmation unless you're going to leverage your role for something else? Coag isn't a super brilliant mafia player either; when he asked for a DT to check Pandain, it probably wasn't to leave a paper trail later. Add that to Pandain parroting divinek's posts, and its pretty self explanatory. Nemesis is just the cherry on the cake. With these last posts he's pushed the notion that Pandain's innocent for the aim of having himself cleared. The best part is that when I flip blue he knows he doesn't have anything to fear, because town will have lost 2 blues during the lynch, then another 2 during the night, leaving town with 2+2 third party vs 3 mafia+ the potential secret mafia vote, for an instant win. So are you saying that Kitz who checked Pandain lying? So we should believe that Coag told a dt to check Pandain, to prove Pandain is blue when he should be mafia. Ok. Next game when a red ask a dt to check on someone. That person is Godfather. i should follow that advice next game too.
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On November 10 2010 14:19 L wrote: No, I'm saying that if Pandain is godfather, he'll be able to choose what his check returns, and if that's the case, his star pupil over there, Nemesis, isn't confirmed either.
Again...
Ok. Next game when a red ask a dt to check on someone. That person is Godfather. i should follow that advice next game too.
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On November 10 2010 14:21 L wrote:
Alternatively, Pandain might be 100% legit, and Nemesis could be the GF. Either way, I'm pretty certain Nemesis is mafia, because he's literally a walking encyclopedia of scumtells at this point.
Yeah, they are a much better lynch than those have no concrete information to prove their innocence.
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On November 10 2010 14:33 L wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 14:25 Nemesis wrote:On November 10 2010 14:21 L wrote:
Alternatively, Pandain might be 100% legit, and Nemesis could be the GF. Either way, I'm pretty certain Nemesis is mafia, because he's literally a walking encyclopedia of scumtells at this point. Walking scumtell? Tell me who just recently changed their argument to "making a bunch of one liner and lightly accusing people" to "calling out for being inactive." Uh, making one liners is a sign of feigned activity. They're called chaff posts and typically indicate nothing unless they form the vast majority of a player's statements, in which case he's inactive and trying to appear otherwise. How is this new? As for lunar: they are, actually. When you have Divinek, RoL and Coag in game actions all pointing at Pandain's guilt, its pretty huge. Add that to Nemesis admitting he wanted to sit back and watch the game during a period in which 2 blues were the lynch targets, and then the panoply of other gaffes he's made and you have fantastic lynches for today. Anyways, I suppose the town can decide the merits. I'm still not going to claim until Node shows up, because quite frankly I don't want to lose what's probably our only shot at winning. And when I say town, I mean town. Not third party. If the mafia win tonight, so does the third party. Which is kinda terrible, because it means this is a 6 to 5 vote and not a single townie can screw up or we lose.
Mafia have a long road of winning and I don't have intention to win with mafia. On night 4, I killed Ace who I thought to be a 90ish% mafia at that point.
Also, a lot of people accused Pandain being mafia (me included, see 5 hours before day3 lynch).
You are still not pointing out solid information that Pandain is mafia.
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To add on to that, if the mafia can let Pandain live for another day, we'll think about it. Thanks in advance.
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Triple post.
Also Pandain say that Kenpachi is mafia. Like Coag after he was accused, Kenpachi already lost confidence to prove his innocence. Maybe you can give him some confidence by proving that he is not mafia.
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On November 10 2010 14:42 Node wrote:
I'll weigh in on stuff once I sort my thoughts out.
In the meantime,
I have predicted my own death.
Such a baller prediction. Props to you.
With 4 uncertain people. Tomorrow is GG.
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On November 10 2010 14:48 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 14:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
Triple post.
Also Pandain say that Kenpachi is mafia. Like Coag after he was accused, Kenpachi already lost confidence to prove his innocence. Maybe you can give him some confidence by proving that he is not mafia. wat
Kenpachi's confidence meter:
On November 10 2010 10:35 Kenpachi wrote:##Vote KenpachiIm fucking screwed over.. somehow, Pandain got me as Red even though im not so, ILL BELIEVE HIM BECAUSE HES SO ACCURATE AND VOTE MYSELF TO USE MY SPECIAL POWER.. + Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2010 10:36 Kenpachi wrote:
##Vote Pandain
actually ive been given confidence
On November 10 2010 12:15 Kenpachi wrote:##Vote Kenpachi Nope. no confidence here. Im red.. + Show Spoiler +now gl town if that even means anything coming from me
On November 10 2010 12:15 Kenpachi wrote:
##Vote Kenpachi
~_~
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I am saying that Kenpachi is acting like Coag right now. Both are checked and will be lynch. So they talks irrationally. Look at other who is blue and was being lynched, they did a lot more to prove themselves.
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The other lynched players except Ace since he is mafia. I don't remember any single one of them gave up so fast.
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On November 10 2010 14:59 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 14:57 LunarDestiny wrote:
The other lynched players except Ace since he is mafia. I don't remember any single one of them gave up so fast. Prob because, like coag, he knew he had got caught so just resorted to spamming the thread. 'night.
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
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On November 10 2010 15:01 L wrote:
Like Coag?
No, Coag gave up and started calling pandain mafia and spammed the thread until he died. Kenpachi put forth his argument, saw that no one wanted to even bother considering that Pandain was lying and stopped bothering.
If you want 'proof' that someone's mafia, you aren't going to get it outside of someone being a DT, checking someone, then dying. Either that, or having a role and using it. Outside of that, there's really very little 'proof' someone can muster.
Want a demonstration?
1) Pandain claims he checks alignments, he can't prove it.
2) Pandain claims Nemesis is blue, he can't prove it.
3) Pandain claims Kenpachi is red, he can't prove it.
So what standard of information do you want to use here? Town can decide. Not you. You win the game if mafia Ace this lynch. Sorry for doubting you, but I typically don't trust players who have a win right in front of them who say they won't take it.
On the plus side, Node finally arrived and told us who's dying, so I can go ahead and reveal that I'm the Junkie. I've got 2 night lives and once per game I get to pm the mods and tell them I have murrayitis. If i'm wrong, I die. If i'm right, they give me drugs to cure the disease. Being a terrible drug addict, they don't actually work on me, but they give me a night hit.
I've breadcrumbed this pretty much once per day, by throwing up huge mrus posts while no one else was talking about it.
Now that Ace's role flipped as mrus spreader and given that he hates my face, I'm pretty sure I have mrus. So tonight I'll either die, or I'll get to hit someone. I fully expect both third party members to push me today because Lunar'll probably be afraid of my hit. Nemesis/Pandain is probably a given as well. To everyone else, specially you if you're not lying, Kenpachi, please read carefully.
First off, we are lynching Kenpachi because Pandain checked him to be red. My "Kenpachi lost his confidence" is not solid proof but that just how some mafia act when a dt checked them.
Secondly if you are going with the fact that we shouldn't trust dt before they are confirmed, then a lot of mafia from other games would have gotten away. We should trust Pandain because our Insane (LSB confirm the "Insane" characteristic will make alignment flip flop) detective checked Pandain and got Mafia Trash Collector.
Also following with Nemesis's argument, I propose to lynch you because of the following reasons:
1) You are one of the uncertain people.
2) As a very good mafia player yourself, you have not contributed any result to town. In other mafia games, you tend to take control of town at some point in game and will propose a very solid plan for town. You did not do that in this game.
3) I don't want the possibility that you are mafia and leading them with your experience.
For most part, we should lynch you because you could be much more valuable as a mafia to the mafia than it is valuable as a town to the town.
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One more reason, if you are town, why hasn't the mafia kill you at this point since you are such a good mafia player.
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Triple post...
You accused me that I can also win with the mafia.
I think we (everyone except L) are very certain that Pandain is telling the truth and that Kenpachi is mafia.
After today's lynch, the mafia will have at most 2 members left.
How can Glasse and I win with mafia when their victory condition is to have majority in town???
2 mafia members+Glasse+me=4
Given the remaining 2 mafia members survive, mafia needs at most 3 players left.
4>3...
Therefore glasse and I can't win with the mafia, and that is the absolute reason why Glasse and I have NO incentive to help mafia whatsoever.
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L... time to confirm mafia's winning condition. I don't want to argue against you about Mafia's winning condition so I pmed BOTH mod. I can't post the exact reply but i'll paraphase and the mod can confirm it.
Artanis say that
Mafia need to kill all town players to win. Also said that they don't need to kill third party.
LSB say that
The mafia wins if their number is more than the town players.
The example LSB gave:
2 town, "2 secete alliance", 3 mafia. The mafia win and you win.
He never defined "secete alliance." Can you clarify LSB?
In conclusion, there is no mentioning about the "secret vote" even though I ask them specifically about it. Also, our votes as third party does not count toward mafia's votes.
So the math 3 mafia+1 secret vote+2 third party is BS.
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On November 11 2010 04:29 L wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 04:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
L... time to confirm mafia's winning condition. I don't want to argue against you about Mafia's winning condition so I pmed BOTH mod. I can't post the exact reply but i'll paraphase and the mod can confirm it.
Artanis say that
Mafia need to kill all town players to win. Also said that they don't need to kill third party.
LSB say that
The mafia wins if their number is more than the town players.
The example LSB gave:
2 town, "2 secete alliance", 3 mafia. The mafia win and you win.
He never defined "secete alliance." Can you clarify LSB?
In conclusion, there is no mentioning about the "secret vote" even though I ask them specifically about it. Also, our votes as third party does not count toward mafia's votes.
So the math 3 mafia+1 secret vote+2 third party is BS. Uh, if the mafia control the day lynch, they kill a townie, then go back to night where they and you can kill s'more townies until they're numerically superior to the town. Once mafia control our day lynch, we lose. Period. Dear town: Lunar is arguing that its okay for the mafia to have enough votes to win control our lynch.I mean, shit, that's fucked right up.
I am arguing that it is almost impossible for Third Party to win with the mafia. That gives me no incentive to work with them. Winning with town is much easier since we have to get the remaining 3 mafia.
L, is there anyone else that agree with you that Kenpachi is not mafia?
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On November 11 2010 04:35 L wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 04:31 LunarDestiny wrote:On November 11 2010 04:29 L wrote:On November 11 2010 04:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
L... time to confirm mafia's winning condition. I don't want to argue against you about Mafia's winning condition so I pmed BOTH mod. I can't post the exact reply but i'll paraphase and the mod can confirm it.
Artanis say that
Mafia need to kill all town players to win. Also said that they don't need to kill third party.
LSB say that
The mafia wins if their number is more than the town players.
The example LSB gave:
2 town, "2 secete alliance", 3 mafia. The mafia win and you win.
He never defined "secete alliance." Can you clarify LSB?
In conclusion, there is no mentioning about the "secret vote" even though I ask them specifically about it. Also, our votes as third party does not count toward mafia's votes.
So the math 3 mafia+1 secret vote+2 third party is BS. Uh, if the mafia control the day lynch, they kill a townie, then go back to night where they and you can kill s'more townies until they're numerically superior to the town. Once mafia control our day lynch, we lose. Period. Dear town: Lunar is arguing that its okay for the mafia to have enough votes to win control our lynch.I mean, shit, that's fucked right up. I am arguing that it is almost impossible for Third Party to win with the mafia. That gives me no incentive to work with them. Winning with town is much easier since we have to get the remaining 3 mafia. L, is there anyone else that agree with you that Kenpachi is not mafia? Uh, you're arguing that its almost impossible for the third party to win with mafia with this example? Show nested quote +The example LSB gave:
2 town, "2 secete alliance", 3 mafia. The mafia win and you win. THATS TOMORROW. Jesus Christ, you just quoted a mod giving you the exact numbers we'll have tomorrow if you and the mafia push this lynch through, and you're saying its impossible? This is unreal.
So me the math please?
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Also why are you suggest that Town lynch both Glasse and I
Right now there are
6 town
3 mafia
2 third party
Lynch both third party on day5:
6 town
3 mafia
mafia 2 night kill on night 5:
4town
3mafia
Town lynch someone on day 6
A)4town, 2mafia
or
B)3town, 2mafia
Night 6:
A)mafia 2 night kill on night 6
2town, 2 mafia
B)mafia 2 night kill on night 6
1town 2 mafia
I like your plan that you lynch both third party...
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That is some sick math, I never thought about that.
Why don't you just say you are the mafia and want the third party to buy your plan... Oh wait, then the town will just lynch you.
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I'll think I let people digest what is being said.
What I got out of it are:
Fact: So me the Car Facts?
Claim:
-You roleclaim someone with 2 night lives. Any point in the game you point the mod. If you don't have M-Rus, you die. Got M-Rus, you get a night kill.
-Lynch both third party. At night, assuming what you said about your role is true (-.-), 3town die or
2 town 1mafia die.
Remaining 3 town 3 mafia or 4town 2 mafia. Then M-RUS have the potential to kill some people. Then town work with 1 lynch and mafia work with 2 nightkill.
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