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On October 12 2010 08:27 jaminz wrote:
After rereading everything, I would suggest that the ghost not choose to save aztorisk. I'm starting to believe that he may not be the jack-o-lantern, and instead might be scum trying to stir up confusion among the townies.
However, even if he is the jack-o-lantern, then there is a chance the vampire brute will choose to kill him, thinking that the ghost may be protecting him. Because the ghost is so valuable, I would suggest taking the risk of only losing 1 (or maybe 0) blues, and ensure that the ghost isn't taken out. If he is the jack-o-lantern, then unless a witch chooses to curse him he will be able to place one bomb anyway. I just don't think its worth the risk of either protecting scum, or having the ghost die to the vampire brute. What do you guys think?
I agree with what jaminz says. in the post above mine, astro ignores older posts about how the brute will kill EVERYONE.
I would say that the ghost probably shouldn't visit astro, since the risk is relatively high, and if he is lying, we would have gone through a lot of this stuff and ended up in a bad position.
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On October 12 2010 08:33 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +After rereading everything, I would suggest that the ghost not choose to save aztorisk. I'm starting to believe that he may not be the jack-o-lantern, and instead might be scum trying to stir up confusion among the townies.
However, even if he is the jack-o-lantern, then there is a chance the vampire brute will choose to kill him, thinking that the ghost may be protecting him. Because the ghost is so valuable, I would suggest taking the risk of only losing 1 (or maybe 0) blues, and ensure that the ghost isn't taken out. If he is the jack-o-lantern, then unless a witch chooses to curse him he will be able to place one bomb anyway. I just don't think its worth the risk of either protecting scum, or having the ghost die to the vampire brute. What do you guys think? actually, your wrong, like in the above quote, it all comes down to a guessing game. Trust me, the vampires and mafia both have big risks in this situation. 5 hrs left to decide.
You do know it's 1 day +5 hours before nightfall right?
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I agree with what jaminz says. in the post above mine, astro ignores older posts about how the brute will kill EVERYONE.
I would say that the ghost probably shouldn't visit astro, since the risk is relatively high, and if he is lying, we would have gone through a lot of this stuff and ended up in a bad position.
did you read my post about the worse scenarios for the everyone?!?!?
man, just read it. Its not like I'm telling the ghost to save me.
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On October 12 2010 08:36 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +I agree with what jaminz says. in the post above mine, astro ignores older posts about how the brute will kill EVERYONE.
I would say that the ghost probably shouldn't visit astro, since the risk is relatively high, and if he is lying, we would have gone through a lot of this stuff and ended up in a bad position. did you read my post about the worse scenarios for the everyone?!?!? man, just read it. Its not like I'm telling the ghost to save me.
Of course it's a guessing game, but I'm still not sure what I'm wrong about. Care to explain?
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Is it just me or is astrorisk relatively ignorant? He says the timeleft incorrectly, and also doesn't understand the mechanics of the game but still decides to reveal his hole.
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it's not relatively
it's completely
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On October 12 2010 08:36 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +I agree with what jaminz says. in the post above mine, astro ignores older posts about how the brute will kill EVERYONE.
I would say that the ghost probably shouldn't visit astro, since the risk is relatively high, and if he is lying, we would have gone through a lot of this stuff and ended up in a bad position. did you read my post about the worse scenarios for the everyone?!?!? man, just read it. Its not like I'm telling the ghost to save me.
sorry man but none of your stuff making anysense... its like you go out there spending 10$ on 5 lottery tickets with an assumption that you will win every single one of them and go ahead call it a good investment b4 the result comes out.
In these last moments, i believe the deceive point is happening in the vote threads, not this one
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Hey guys, can we stop commenting whether we think the ghost should come and save me or not.
By doing so, you are putting us in a worse position because if you guys are persuasive enough, the vampires would not have to use a brute and just kill me with a regular person.
Lets please leave the decision of whether the ghost should save me or not to the ghost. This way, it leaves ambiguity for the mafia and the vampires and make their decision harder on whether to kill me or not. In addition, if the vampire does not send a brute because they don't think the angel is coming and the ghost does come, it can only help us. Now, lets please leave the decision up to the ghost to leave ambiguity.
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i still can't believe our mad hatter roleclaimed on the first day of a 61 person game
fuck
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woops i minsinterpreted what you said, sorry astrorisk
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You do know it's 1 day +5 hours before nightfall right?
It ends on Tuesday at midnight which is technically in 5 hrs because 12:00 am is considered the next day unless Doctor H changed it to wednesday at midnight
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Of course it's a guessing game, but I'm still not sure what I'm wrong about. Care to explain?
calling me a scum and I didn't want you to mold the ghost's decision to leave ambiguity.
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On October 12 2010 08:45 aztrorisk wrote:It ends on Tuesday at midnight which is technically in 5 hrs because 12:00 am is considered the next day unless Doctor H changed it to wednesday at midnight
It's 1day +5, already spoken with DrH about it
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After a lot of thinking, offline, I decided I will not change my vote from Masq.
This is why: (and most of this post is directed at Bill Murray, for he is the one that thinks lynching Veldril is better for now)
I don't see any reason in killing Veldril first. For Masq:
Scenario A: Masq IS Mafia/Vamp. The next day, Veldril dies anyway, since he was so quick to defend him. People won't pay attention to what he says in Day 2 anyway, since we will be almost certain he needs to be lynched. Correct?
Scenario B: Masq IS NOT Mafia/Vamp. Then Veldril was defending him for nothing, or just to cause confusion, or just because he's being a bit of a newbie. Faith of Veldril is to be determined in Day 2.
For Veldril
Scenario A: We kill Veldril, he is Mafia/Vamp. Masq will probably die as well, but we still can't be 100% sure he is also M/V. Maybe Veldril was just trying to cause chaos
Scenario B: We kill Veldril, he is not M/V. Everyone is confused, Masq will probably not be killed, we accomplished nothing.
So I don't see why going for Veldril first is better, since it would not give us any info about Masq. Instead, if Masq is M/V and we lynch him, we will know (90% sure) that Veldril is also M/V.
To me, if we go for Veldril first, and he is M/V, the chances of him just trying to stir stuff up are pretty high, so I'd only be 75% sure that Masq is also M/V
So, as a bottom line, I think that going for Masq will bring more clarity to me than going for Veldril. This is somewhat related to me relying on the clues a bit too much. I understand they are not damning, but I just can't let something this huge slide.
If I'm missing a reason why Veldril should be killed first, feel free to enlighten me.
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It's 1day +5, already spoken with DrH about it
Oh, I guess i didn't see where he announced the change.
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Hey guys, can we hold off the entire discussion about me for a while and just talk about possible suspects for now.
I want to create a table of all the possible outcomes and then we can resume this discussion.
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On October 12 2010 08:47 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +Of course it's a guessing game, but I'm still not sure what I'm wrong about. Care to explain? calling me a scum and I didn't want you to mold the ghost's decision to leave ambiguity.
But doesn't raising my suspicions that you might be scum promote ambiguity? You said yourself that you are the jack-o-lantern, which pushes the ghost to believe one thing. I'm just bringing up the chance that you might be lying, and that even if you aren't it may not be worth it to save you tonight. I think my logic was pretty straightforward. In doing so, I think I'm just evening out the scale/balance.
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On October 12 2010 08:45 aztrorisk wrote:It ends on Tuesday at midnight which is technically in 5 hrs because 12:00 am is considered the next day unless Doctor H changed it to wednesday at midnight
I doubt strict technicalities would be considered in a game as complex as Mafia appears to be. I would assume that the actual timeframe is indeed 29 hours, not 5.
Also, since the Witch's Curse ability has been generating a lot of confusion, I'd like to know if casting the Curse requires the Witch to physically come in contact with the target.
In other words, let's say Player A is the target that Player B, the Witch, wants to curse. If Player C, the Vampire Brute, tries to kill A, does B also die? Or is the spell a remote ability, not involving the Witch to enter A's house?
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On October 12 2010 08:48 aztrorisk wrote:Oh, I guess i didn't see where he announced the change.
There was no change. I made a typo in the day post saying 12AM tuesday when I meant 12AM wednesday. It is very clear in the op that the day cycle lasts 48 hours and the night cycle lasts 24 hours. I fixed the typo almost immediately after the day post was released.
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God damn this game is massive. Lol......Okay....I haven't been posting much, I would like a quick recap to key points, if thats possible, but I'll have the thread read by tomorrow morning. I probably wont be off work to talk about it before 4 though....
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