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On October 12 2010 09:50 YummyBlaBla wrote:
Now that I think about it, I don't think Masq/Veldril can be mafia/townie.
They either have to be Mafia/Mafia, Townie/Townie, or Townie/Mafia.
Mafia/Mafia
Masq has no other choice but to vote Veldril to survive, or to look like he's a townie and going with the bandwagon.
Both Townies
Again, Masq trying to stay in the game.
Townie/Mafia
Refer to above
If they are Mafia/Townie, at least the MH bomb will kill off Masq.
If they are mafia/mafia, Masq may have a special role so they get rid of Veldril who doesnt have a special role
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On October 12 2010 09:58 YummyBlaBla wrote:
How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!?
We don't. For now, though, I am going to trust Pandain. He could be giving them bad advice, or he could be lying to us. That's the nature of this game, you never know when people are lying. However, we can give Pandain the benefit of the doubt for the moment so that things can unfold.
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On October 12 2010 09:58 YummyBlaBla wrote:
How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!?
well for one I know.
two because I already know who both of them are. And I'm going to make sure, at the very least, they don't overlap.
Regardless, even if i was mafia/vampire i would be trying to go for the other team, but with more info. So actually Mafia/Vampire Pandain would be better equipped for this than regular Pandain.
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On October 12 2010 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:58 YummyBlaBla wrote:
How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!? We don't. For now, though, I am going to trust Pandain. He could be giving them bad advice, or he could be lying to us. That's the nature of this game, you never know when people are lying. However, we can give Pandain the benefit of the doubt for the moment so that things can unfold.
even if he is red, his objective would be the opposing reds, and not townies unless his faction starts to lose too many.
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On October 12 2010 10:01 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2010 09:58 YummyBlaBla wrote:
How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!? We don't. For now, though, I am going to trust Pandain. He could be giving them bad advice, or he could be lying to us. That's the nature of this game, you never know when people are lying. However, we can give Pandain the benefit of the doubt for the moment so that things can unfold. even if he is red, his objective would be the opposing reds, and not townies unless his faction starts to lose too many.
Which is why I'm comfortable letting it happen, at least for Day 1.
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BTW, I just realized something. We could try pulling off the plan from Mafia XXX. Anyone intrested?
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Care to share what it is?
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On October 12 2010 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Care to share what it is?
we all say our role and then mafia picks us off one by one
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wow i need to stop spamming.
I'll post tommorow with an actualy content filled post
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On October 12 2010 10:10 Pandain wrote:we all say our role and then mafia picks us off one by one
Uhh never mind about that.
Basically everyone visits one person. Only problem. Vampire brute would ruin it. 
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How about this. We kill the Vampire Brute. Then we do the plan. Kapish?
The plan for reference. Back in Mafia XXX. Note, in Mafia XXX there was no watcher, but it still worked due to the combination of trackers, and the fact that Xelin visited people.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 03:26 LSB wrote:As for a random number, I got 10, XeliN. Here are the instructions for the plan + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2010 23:17 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:40 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). but how do we set up a real circle when the role blocker gets in there Okay, I will make an extreamly extended version of my plan PROBLEMS: The watcher has to be smart. If the watcher is dumb/inactive, the plan fails Day 1 We agree to this plan :D Night oneShow nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
Day 2: Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). So basically, Day2 is there to get the watcher confirmed. The watcher then STEPS FORWARD, we'll have to sort though everything. Anyone messing with the plan, should be spotted and killed. Night 2Bus Driver protects Watcher. If there is only one DT claim, Watcher orders Medics to protect DT. ( iffy, but I don't think there is only going to be one DT claim) The Watcher will now control detective/trackers action. Watcher randomly assigns detectives to check up on people. Watcher has a list of what they should be, and the detective needs to match the list. Watcher does the same thing with trackers A few notes. *If a framer frames someone, they will show as regular red, not red special. So the Watcher should send the DT to people who claimed a blue role that can visit people We work from here, but the circle could gradually confirm each other. Takes a bunch of logic though Here's a breakdown by individual roles Conan the Not-So-Barbaric (Detective): Role check XeliN Active Stalker (Tracker): Stalk XeliN Lazy Stalker (Watcher): Watch XeliN Boy Scout (Medic): Protect XeliN Wannabe Batman (Vigilante): Do not target Xelin Mad Nutter (Mad Hatter): Do not target Xelin Bus Driver (Bus Driver): Do not target Xelin Disillusioned Teachers' Brigade (Mafia): PM Me and I'll give you super secrete instructions ;P!
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I just realized that my post was a big "Kill me sign"
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Hey guys, I have finished a chart about all the possible outcomes. Note that these favor charts are according to my POV and it would be impossible to represent the POV of everyone here. As a result, feel free to edit this chart yourself with what you believe seems to favor one position more than the other.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/rox33rox33cool11/chart.png
here are the trends associated with the chart:
-mafia tend to fare better when they are less involved.
-Towns fare about in the middle between involvement and non-involvement with makes the ghost choice about a 50-50 decision to come or not to come
-Vampires tend to fare better by not being involved or sending a brute. However, due to the trends with the others, it seems that sending a brute would work to their disadvantage as non-involvement seems the better choice.
-note that the outcomes contains many other variables and a % of good outcomes for your side will be highly inaccurate because people might be more likely to be non-involved than involved.
Pandain said that there is another person claiming to be a bomber and I would like to say that you guys should denounce this thought until someone comes out and admits it on the thread so I can publicly denounce them for the fraud that they are on this thread. Right now, this "fraud" if he does exist, is trying to denounce my position while refusing to accept the risks (such as being a target).
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On October 12 2010 09:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:14 SouthRawrea wrote:Now I could be wrong and there could be someone here with a reference to FF7 in which case I would link the death post to Omni-slash Aeres is a homophone for Aeris, but to be honest, I just don't really see the omnislash reference being that concrete.
The name Aeres has no connection whatsoever with Aeris I don't even like FF7. Just wanted to clear that up. =)
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I don't quite understand it LSB, but as pointed out, that's pretty much GG with the Vampire Brute.
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On October 12 2010 10:13 LSB wrote:How about this. We kill the Vampire Brute. Then we do the plan. Kapish? The plan for reference. Back in Mafia XXX. Note, in Mafia XXX there was no watcher, but it still worked due to the combination of trackers, and the fact that Xelin visited people. + Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 03:26 LSB wrote:As for a random number, I got 10, XeliN. Here are the instructions for the plan + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2010 23:17 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:40 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). but how do we set up a real circle when the role blocker gets in there Okay, I will make an extreamly extended version of my plan PROBLEMS: The watcher has to be smart. If the watcher is dumb/inactive, the plan fails Day 1 We agree to this plan :D Night oneShow nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
Day 2: Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). So basically, Day2 is there to get the watcher confirmed. The watcher then STEPS FORWARD, we'll have to sort though everything. Anyone messing with the plan, should be spotted and killed. Night 2Bus Driver protects Watcher. If there is only one DT claim, Watcher orders Medics to protect DT. ( iffy, but I don't think there is only going to be one DT claim) The Watcher will now control detective/trackers action. Watcher randomly assigns detectives to check up on people. Watcher has a list of what they should be, and the detective needs to match the list. Watcher does the same thing with trackers A few notes. *If a framer frames someone, they will show as regular red, not red special. So the Watcher should send the DT to people who claimed a blue role that can visit people We work from here, but the circle could gradually confirm each other. Takes a bunch of logic though Here's a breakdown by individual roles Conan the Not-So-Barbaric (Detective): Role check XeliN Active Stalker (Tracker): Stalk XeliN Lazy Stalker (Watcher): Watch XeliN Boy Scout (Medic): Protect XeliN Wannabe Batman (Vigilante): Do not target Xelin Mad Nutter (Mad Hatter): Do not target Xelin Bus Driver (Bus Driver): Do not target Xelin Disillusioned Teachers' Brigade (Mafia): PM Me and I'll give you super secrete instructions ;P!
The guide to being a good Town player (I think it's linked in post #4) says that this plan was bad, and that the Mafia would have won that if they weren't dumb. The Brute makes this even more terrifying.
We still have like another day until we actually have to lynch, I think we ought to keep accusing people and analyzing until then, and not make any weird-ass plans that put our blues in danger. Zombies in this may as well be bold and accuse and whatnot, because if the reds decide to kill them, at least it's not a blue who's getting killed.
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On October 12 2010 10:13 LSB wrote:How about this. We kill the Vampire Brute. Then we do the plan. Kapish? The plan for reference. Back in Mafia XXX. Note, in Mafia XXX there was no watcher, but it still worked due to the combination of trackers, and the fact that Xelin visited people. + Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 03:26 LSB wrote:As for a random number, I got 10, XeliN. Here are the instructions for the plan + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2010 23:17 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:40 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). but how do we set up a real circle when the role blocker gets in there Okay, I will make an extreamly extended version of my plan PROBLEMS: The watcher has to be smart. If the watcher is dumb/inactive, the plan fails Day 1 We agree to this plan :D Night oneShow nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
Day 2: Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). So basically, Day2 is there to get the watcher confirmed. The watcher then STEPS FORWARD, we'll have to sort though everything. Anyone messing with the plan, should be spotted and killed. Night 2Bus Driver protects Watcher. If there is only one DT claim, Watcher orders Medics to protect DT. ( iffy, but I don't think there is only going to be one DT claim) The Watcher will now control detective/trackers action. Watcher randomly assigns detectives to check up on people. Watcher has a list of what they should be, and the detective needs to match the list. Watcher does the same thing with trackers A few notes. *If a framer frames someone, they will show as regular red, not red special. So the Watcher should send the DT to people who claimed a blue role that can visit people We work from here, but the circle could gradually confirm each other. Takes a bunch of logic though Here's a breakdown by individual roles Conan the Not-So-Barbaric (Detective): Role check XeliN Active Stalker (Tracker): Stalk XeliN Lazy Stalker (Watcher): Watch XeliN Boy Scout (Medic): Protect XeliN Wannabe Batman (Vigilante): Do not target Xelin Mad Nutter (Mad Hatter): Do not target Xelin Bus Driver (Bus Driver): Do not target Xelin Disillusioned Teachers' Brigade (Mafia): PM Me and I'll give you super secrete instructions ;P!
Ignore this, It won't work this game. If we're going to have to do a plan, we have to build something from the ground up. I was thinking of the general gist, a giant blue circle is aways good.
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I don't quite understand it LSB, but as pointed out, that's pretty much GG with the Vampire Brute.
I don't think the vampires will use the brute this early in the game because it is a huge disadvantage to them because they have very little people with special powers. In addition, the brute's ability is super effective in the late game when there are less people. By using the brute, the vampires are dwindling down their numbers this early in the game and we also get to learn who the brute was and we could target down additional vampires.
Just another thing for the ghost to think about when they are pondering about saving me or not.
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On October 12 2010 10:32 aztrorisk wrote:Hey guys, I have finished a chart about all the possible outcomes. Note that these favor charts are according to my POV and it would be impossible to represent the POV of everyone here. As a result, feel free to edit this chart yourself with what you believe seems to favor one position more than the other. http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/rox33rox33cool11/chart.pnghere are the trends associated with the chart: -mafia tend to fare better when they are less involved. -Towns fare about in the middle between involvement and non-involvement with makes the ghost choice about a 50-50 decision to come or not to come -Vampires tend to fare better by not being involved or sending a brute. However, due to the trends with the others, it seems that sending a brute would work to their disadvantage as non-involvement seems the better choice. -note that the outcomes contains many other variables and a % of good outcomes for your side will be highly inaccurate because people might be more likely to be non-involved than involved. Pandain said that there is another person claiming to be a bomber and I would like to say that you guys should denounce this thought until someone comes out and admits it on the thread so I can publicly denounce them for the fraud that they are on this thread. Right now, this "fraud" if he does exist, is trying to denounce my position while refusing to accept the risks (such as being a target).
Honestly, I am going to take zero stock in this. Your last posts have all been nonsense. You keep telling people to stay on track while trying to stir up conflict. Your claim has caused nothing but trouble.
Who is to say that there is only one bomber? I don't remember ever reading that there would only be one of each blue. (Correct me if I'm wrong) You are being very vehement and playing stupidly. If, in fact, you are the JoL, you haven't helped anything by announcing yourself. You have painted a huge target on yourself, and have given M/V more information than they had, while giving the town very little gain. If you are M/V trying to stir up trouble, well then good job, you have been. I am going to be largely ignoring you because it isn't going to help me at all.
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Honestly, I am going to take zero stock in this. Your last posts have all been nonsense. You keep telling people to stay on track while trying to stir up conflict. Your claim has caused nothing but trouble.
Who is to say that there is only one bomber? I don't remember ever reading that there would only be one of each blue. (Correct me if I'm wrong) You are being very vehement and playing stupidly. If, in fact, you are the JoL, you haven't helped anything by announcing yourself. You have painted a huge target on yourself, and have given M/V more information than they had, while giving the town very little gain. If you are M/V trying to stir up trouble, well then good job, you have been. I am going to be largely ignoring you because it isn't going to help me at all.
You could've ignored me beforehand without needing to post this but I don't see what you were trying to accomplish with this post but waste your own time. Maybe if you read my past post, you'll understand my POV.
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