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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
August 26 2010 00:28 GMT
#641
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.

last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
August 26 2010 00:41 GMT
#642
On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote:
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.

last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.




This is good to know. I haven't really played a game with him before, so it's important to get the perspective of people who have.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
August 26 2010 00:45 GMT
#643
On August 26 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 09:07 Fishball wrote:
On August 26 2010 05:42 SouthRawrea wrote:
On August 26 2010 05:41 Fishball wrote:
On August 26 2010 04:21 Radfield wrote:
On August 26 2010 04:20 Fishball wrote:
Funny Traitor wannabe's, lol.

First off, Hesmyrr, we already know that rastaban would choose the CV and should be the CV now. Why would you pick CV in the first place? I don't really get it.

As for SouthRawrea, there is always a possibility that he is lying. The only logical motive I could think of if he is either Mafia/SK, is that he is wants to plant a seed of doubt in our top 5 draft picks. However, these roles, if done according to plan, are mainly Mafia aligned roles. Offing these roles doesn't exactly impact town much at all. However if the town pushes hard and goes through that list, then it could work as a decoy and waste our lynches/CV kills. Long shot? Yes. Likeliness? 33% I'd say.

Excluding SR himself, and rastaban who should be the CV. These are the people remaining on the list.

2. chaoser
3. LSB
4. Hesmyrr
5. zeks

If we are indeed looking to cast a vote among these people, before we make a decision, I suggest everyone should ask themselves a few questions.
- Is SR's claim likely to be true?
- If yes, is Hesymrr likely to be the Traitor?
- If no, who else could likely be the Traitor?

Right now, I'm inclined to believe SR's claim, but I'm not entirely sure who could be the Traitor. Although I'm still wanting to hear the reasoning from Hesymrr, why he would pick CV when it was a general consensus that our #1 draft pick should pick it.



Did you read the plan?


Will reply when I get home (in about 4-5 hours).
Bust at work right now.


He has time to write all that but not say yes or no? I think the answer we're looking at is not yet.


On August 26 2010 06:04 Fishball wrote:

Or the answer could more than just a yes/no.


At home now. I was on lunch break when I wrote the longer post, smart ass.

Yes, I do know about the plan.

I know it's 33% between CV, Bad Santa or PoD for the fourth draft, but to me at least, CV is guaranteed to be gone. It is one of the more powerful and interesting roles, regardless of alignment, when compared to others. Technically, I would only choose between Bad Santa or PoD, which increases my chance to actually land a blue role, as these two roles are somewhat less interesting (if you are not Mafia) compared to CV.

Also, as the first pick, you just have to take CV. Let's say you are Townie, and you don't pick CV; When the town asks you to hit someone and you can't, you're just drawing unnecessary suspicion to yourself, and would most likely end up wasting the towns' resource, or worse, getting yourself lynched.

If Mafia/SK doesn't pick CV, and they can actually hit whatever target the town wants them to, that would also be bad since the real CV would know they are lying.

This is all probability, but that's just how I see it. It might sound like I'm accusing Hesymrr in my other post due to my wording, but I'm simply questioning his motives behind picking CV. Is it just random, random? Or is there actually more reasoning behind the decision.

I realized I was being a bit redundant. Who would confess the second time if a person lied the first time, especially when he is not caught?

Anyways, the explanation above is where I'm coming from.


The reason we felt it was important to put CV in that list of roles pick #4 should go for, is the possibility of a mafia at pick #1. If Mafia get pick #1, they can let the CV role slip down to another mafia at a lower pick. All of a sudden mafia KP gets doubled, and we have no idea who has the CompVig Role. By having Pick #4 randomize between the first 3 picks, it made it more risky for the mafia to employ this strategy.


Siniquity raises a good point, Hesmyrr is more likely to be the traitor given that he has much better cover. Both pick #2 and pick #3 run a decent chance of getting immediately caught by pick #4. Hesmyrr also has his history of being very against a traitor role, which also adds to his cover. He's a strong player though, and a loss to the town if he flips green.

Also, we should give suggestions to the SK on who he should hit. SK should be playing pro-town right now, and should be eliminating shady characters, or inactive players.


You're missing my point. I'm not blaming you or anyone for putting the CV as the 4th pick. The CV draft chance should rightfully be there due to the exact reason you mentioned. My post above was based specifically on Hesmyrr's scenario; More of an "If I were him, how I would think" scenario.

We all know Hesmyrr is not likely to be Mafia, or else he'll just be suicidal.

Keep in mind, I'm not denying the chances of Hesmyrr of being Traitor at all. The post above is simply explaining why I asked the question hours ago.
靈魂交響曲
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 26 2010 00:46 GMT
#644
...Bad Santa would be a better kill than PoD to be honest.

Bad Santa gives extra KP of totaling up to 5 while PoD just adds a night cycle. We should lynch whoever was supposed to of taken Bad Santa if we are hitting the top 5, and not hitting the comp vig. Atleast if we aren't taking Hesmyrr, or Zeks out. That would be the best solution.

I think Radfields idea to hit PoD is kind of...a bad choice.

Ace, if PoD uses his ability night one, does it make it night two, or just double night cycles?

Like, Night one (use it), Night One 2.0, then Day 2, or does Day 2 just get skipped altogether. I find this important in reference to the Comp Vig's operation.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
August 26 2010 01:07 GMT
#645
On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote:
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.

last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.



To be fair, he was not town, he was ninja (3rd party role). He was just playing more town-aligned.
SUNSFANNED
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
August 26 2010 01:08 GMT
#646
On August 26 2010 10:07 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote:
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.

last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.



To be fair, he was not town, he was ninja (3rd party role). He was just playing more town-aligned.


You can also go a game back when he was Miller
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
August 26 2010 01:08 GMT
#647
Oh, game I played with him he wasn't ninja, lol. Guess he's been playing lots of games
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 01:10:49
August 26 2010 01:10 GMT
#648
On August 26 2010 09:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:


Ace, if PoD uses his ability night one, does it make it night two, or just double night cycles?

Like, Night one (use it), Night One 2.0, then Day 2, or does Day 2 just get skipped altogether. I find this important in reference to the Comp Vig's operation.




Goes from Night 1-> (Day 2) -> Night 2

Basically what happens is:

1.)All Night Actions on Night 1 go through

2.)Day 2 goes on where I'll update everything that happened Night 1. So you'll all see whoever died on Night 1 in a post, and all roles that need to get information from Night 1 like investigative roles will be updated.

3.)There won't be any voting, and I'll go right into Night 2.

4.)Next Day will be Day 3, as Day 2 was "skipped" as I only posted it to update everyone on the current state of the game.

Hope that answers it ^_^

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 26 2010 01:11 GMT
#649
On August 26 2010 09:45 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote:
On August 26 2010 09:07 Fishball wrote:
On August 26 2010 05:42 SouthRawrea wrote:
On August 26 2010 05:41 Fishball wrote:
On August 26 2010 04:21 Radfield wrote:
On August 26 2010 04:20 Fishball wrote:
Funny Traitor wannabe's, lol.

First off, Hesmyrr, we already know that rastaban would choose the CV and should be the CV now. Why would you pick CV in the first place? I don't really get it.

As for SouthRawrea, there is always a possibility that he is lying. The only logical motive I could think of if he is either Mafia/SK, is that he is wants to plant a seed of doubt in our top 5 draft picks. However, these roles, if done according to plan, are mainly Mafia aligned roles. Offing these roles doesn't exactly impact town much at all. However if the town pushes hard and goes through that list, then it could work as a decoy and waste our lynches/CV kills. Long shot? Yes. Likeliness? 33% I'd say.

Excluding SR himself, and rastaban who should be the CV. These are the people remaining on the list.

2. chaoser
3. LSB
4. Hesmyrr
5. zeks

If we are indeed looking to cast a vote among these people, before we make a decision, I suggest everyone should ask themselves a few questions.
- Is SR's claim likely to be true?
- If yes, is Hesymrr likely to be the Traitor?
- If no, who else could likely be the Traitor?

Right now, I'm inclined to believe SR's claim, but I'm not entirely sure who could be the Traitor. Although I'm still wanting to hear the reasoning from Hesymrr, why he would pick CV when it was a general consensus that our #1 draft pick should pick it.



Did you read the plan?


Will reply when I get home (in about 4-5 hours).
Bust at work right now.


He has time to write all that but not say yes or no? I think the answer we're looking at is not yet.


On August 26 2010 06:04 Fishball wrote:

Or the answer could more than just a yes/no.


At home now. I was on lunch break when I wrote the longer post, smart ass.

Yes, I do know about the plan.

I know it's 33% between CV, Bad Santa or PoD for the fourth draft, but to me at least, CV is guaranteed to be gone. It is one of the more powerful and interesting roles, regardless of alignment, when compared to others. Technically, I would only choose between Bad Santa or PoD, which increases my chance to actually land a blue role, as these two roles are somewhat less interesting (if you are not Mafia) compared to CV.

Also, as the first pick, you just have to take CV. Let's say you are Townie, and you don't pick CV; When the town asks you to hit someone and you can't, you're just drawing unnecessary suspicion to yourself, and would most likely end up wasting the towns' resource, or worse, getting yourself lynched.

If Mafia/SK doesn't pick CV, and they can actually hit whatever target the town wants them to, that would also be bad since the real CV would know they are lying.

This is all probability, but that's just how I see it. It might sound like I'm accusing Hesymrr in my other post due to my wording, but I'm simply questioning his motives behind picking CV. Is it just random, random? Or is there actually more reasoning behind the decision.

I realized I was being a bit redundant. Who would confess the second time if a person lied the first time, especially when he is not caught?

Anyways, the explanation above is where I'm coming from.


The reason we felt it was important to put CV in that list of roles pick #4 should go for, is the possibility of a mafia at pick #1. If Mafia get pick #1, they can let the CV role slip down to another mafia at a lower pick. All of a sudden mafia KP gets doubled, and we have no idea who has the CompVig Role. By having Pick #4 randomize between the first 3 picks, it made it more risky for the mafia to employ this strategy.


Siniquity raises a good point, Hesmyrr is more likely to be the traitor given that he has much better cover. Both pick #2 and pick #3 run a decent chance of getting immediately caught by pick #4. Hesmyrr also has his history of being very against a traitor role, which also adds to his cover. He's a strong player though, and a loss to the town if he flips green.

Also, we should give suggestions to the SK on who he should hit. SK should be playing pro-town right now, and should be eliminating shady characters, or inactive players.


You're missing my point. I'm not blaming you or anyone for putting the CV as the 4th pick. The CV draft chance should rightfully be there due to the exact reason you mentioned. My post above was based specifically on Hesmyrr's scenario; More of an "If I were him, how I would think" scenario.

We all know Hesmyrr is not likely to be Mafia, or else he'll just be suicidal.

Keep in mind, I'm not denying the chances of Hesmyrr of being Traitor at all. The post above is simply explaining why I asked the question hours ago.

I've been thinking about this as well: ex-ante it makes perfect sense for the #4 pick to promise they will choose one of the 3 roles ahead of them, as a deterrent; however, expecting this to work, when it comes time to actually choose, the #4 pick would in fact have a very low chance to "catch a liar" - much lower than 33% since most likely the top 3 spots did not lie (especially not the CV). So why not choose a different role altogether!

If he chose traitor it is a bit disappointing, but hey... it is what it is. I just hope other people took the strong investigative roles, otherwise we're in for a slaughter.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 26 2010 01:20 GMT
#650
On August 26 2010 10:08 zeks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 10:07 BrownBear wrote:
On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote:
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.

last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.



To be fair, he was not town, he was ninja (3rd party role). He was just playing more town-aligned.


You can also go a game back when he was Miller

That game he was the miller from hell. In general he is a bit like Bill M and naturally fits Ace's description of "obvious scum to the point of destroying the entire game (the easiest to lynch but the hardest to find a trail after they die)".
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 26 2010 01:21 GMT
#651
On August 26 2010 10:20 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 10:08 zeks wrote:
On August 26 2010 10:07 BrownBear wrote:
On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote:
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.

last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.



To be fair, he was not town, he was ninja (3rd party role). He was just playing more town-aligned.


You can also go a game back when he was Miller

That game he was the miller from hell. In general he is a bit like Bill M and naturally fits Ace's description of "obvious scum to the point of destroying the entire game (the easiest to lynch but the hardest to find a trail after they die)".


"Hey Pandain, you don't have to respond, but I just wanted to say you played a great red game. Talk to me after the game. I don't know how much of a role you played behind the scenes but you were textbook red..."

n.n
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
August 26 2010 01:38 GMT
#652
do i only have 20 mins left to vote? or do i have 20 mins and 24 hours left to vote?
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 26 2010 01:47 GMT
#653
On August 26 2010 10:21 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 10:20 citi.zen wrote:
On August 26 2010 10:08 zeks wrote:
On August 26 2010 10:07 BrownBear wrote:
On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote:
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.

last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.



To be fair, he was not town, he was ninja (3rd party role). He was just playing more town-aligned.


You can also go a game back when he was Miller

That game he was the miller from hell. In general he is a bit like Bill M and naturally fits Ace's description of "obvious scum to the point of destroying the entire game (the easiest to lynch but the hardest to find a trail after they die)".


"Hey Pandain, you don't have to respond, but I just wanted to say you played a great red game. Talk to me after the game. I don't know how much of a role you played behind the scenes but you were textbook red..."

n.n


well if it helps i felt you played bad either way
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 26 2010 01:52 GMT
#654
##vote:hesmyrr

to be frank, being told to pick a role just to confirm others have picked it probably doesn't sound like too great of an idea. i can see a "fuck that i'm going traitor" reaction following that
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 26 2010 01:53 GMT
#655
and to the above, there's another 24 hours left in the voting
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
August 26 2010 02:03 GMT
#656
oh ok good

what happens if someone gets majority before i get voted? do i need a vote placeholder while im still thinking?
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
August 26 2010 02:08 GMT
#657
No. You won't get mod-killed if you don't vote before it hits majority.
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
August 26 2010 02:11 GMT
#658
##Vote Hesmyrr

From the evidence/analysis presented

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
August 26 2010 02:18 GMT
#659
Someone mentioned we could use role cop to check Zeks. How does said role cop exonerate Zeks without giving himself away?
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 26 2010 02:41 GMT
#660
On August 26 2010 11:03 Subversion wrote:
oh ok good

what happens if someone gets majority before i get voted? do i need a vote placeholder while im still thinking?


if you read the thread!

it says that after majority is hit, twilight will take up the remainder of the day so i guess you'd just have to cast a meaningless vote, which is kinda silly and doesnt make you look very good but i suppose that's what would go down

i imagine people will do their best to hold off on majority so meaningful discussion can continue for as long as possible about the lynch candidates etc

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
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