Pick Your Power Mafia 2! - Page 34

On August 26 2010 11:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Obvious. He types my name, and breadcrumbs zeks, using my name for the z, so if mafia hit him and zeks is mafia, we know to lynch zeks...hurdur....
xD...

Or he makes a case against zeks, without saying he role checked him. If he starts going against someone he checked, then pops detective.

If he starts saying "blah blah, this person is right, blah blah" then that person is good.

Ace, Does RoleCop return role of mafia if the mafia investigated has another role, such as detective/medic/ect?

On August 26 2010 11:41 Divinek wrote:


if you read the thread!

it says that after majority is hit, twilight will take up the remainder of the day so i guess you'd just have to cast a meaningless vote, which is kinda silly and doesnt make you look very good but i suppose that's what would go down

i imagine people will do their best to hold off on majority so meaningful discussion can continue for as long as possible about the lynch candidates etc

On August 26 2010 11:41 Divinek wrote:


if you read the thread!

it says that after majority is hit, twilight will take up the remainder of the day so i guess you'd just have to cast a meaningless vote, which is kinda silly and doesnt make you look very good but i suppose that's what would go down

i imagine people will do their best to hold off on majority so meaningful discussion can continue for as long as possible about the lynch candidates etc

On August 26 2010 12:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Right...Wow...

##Vote Radfield
"Alignment Cop is weak compared to Role Cop"

That ends my reasoning. Wow. We just walked down a windy road to death.

On August 26 2010 13:24 JeeJee wrote:


the hell are you babbling about

On August 26 2010 14:08 Ace wrote:
Pfft. I got 2 wisdom teeth pulled out each time a week apart. They had to cut in to my gums and the dentist left the nerves hanging so my tongue kept twitching on it.

No codeine.

Just blood and tears while I couldn't lull myself to sleep due to the pain.

You'll make it ^_^

On August 26 2010 13:24 JeeJee wrote:


the hell are you babbling about

On August 21 2010 03:34 Radfield wrote:
OK, lets get the ball rolling here. First things first: Roles.

I've divided the roles into several categories, first is essential town roles. These are roles that we absolutely have to have. This is a 20 person game, and the mafia have a KP of one. SK also has a KP of 1. CompVig has a KP of 1, Town has lynch power of 1. This means 4 deaths per night, so we get 4 days before we're in trouble. Given this fact, we need as much investigative power as possible. This is how we will win the game.

Essential Roles(Investigative)
Role Cop - GF
Watcher - GF, Mafia, SK
Tracker - GF, Mafia, SK
Joat - Mafia
Bullet Bill - GF, Mafia, SK

You may have noticed that Alignment Cop is not on this essential list. This is for two reasons. The sanity of the Alignment Cop is unknown, and the Alignment Cop cannot find either the Godfather, or the Serial Killer. Of those five roles, Watcher, Tracker and Bullet Bill are the most important, due to the fact they can find the Godfather and the Serial Killer. I cannot stress enough that these are the most important pro-town roles in the game. Yes there are a lot of roles that seem cooler or more fun, but these five roles are what will win us the game.

Second is the Mafia roles:

These are roles that are fantastic in mafia hands, mediocre or downright useless in Town hands:

KP roles
Comp Vig
Bad Santa
Vengeful Player
Day Vig

Other
Floridian
God Father
Role Blocker
Pardoner

A few of these may stand out as being neutral as opposed to pro-mafia, but don't be fooled. ANYTHING that adds additional KP to the game is bad for the town. Why? Obviously first and foremost because they hasten the end of the game for the town, considering that town players have a very bad track record with extraneous KP. Second, not only does a missed shot eliminate a town player, it also eliminates a Power Role. Every player should be assumed to have a role, which means if a town player uses KP and misses, we may lose a vital role for the town. We have lynches as town, so lets kill players that way.

Comp Vig: I've bolded CompVig in that list for a very good reason. I believe that this role is perhaps the most important in the game. In unknown hands (mafia hands) CompVig doubles the Mafia KP. In known hands(Town or Mafia) the CompVig doubles our lynch Power. Each day we vote on who the compvig will hit that night. IE, CompVig: Qatol. In PYP1, the CompVig was held by a mafia, but it didn't matter, because he followed the town direction and killed who we wanted killed. If the CompVig doesn't follow our direction they die.

Yes, in PYP1 the CV only hit townies, but he hit scummy townies that were up for lynch, instead of hitting townies who were playing pro-town. This is a huge difference.

I propose that whomever gets 1st pick takes CV. To not take CV as first pick is, in my eyes, extremely anti-town. We absolutely MUST know who has this role. Once we know, the power of the role is neutralized.

Bad Santa is the other important role on this list, and is the most useful role on the list for town to have because it has a hint of investigative power, and gives information to the town.

The other 6 roles are all pro-mafia roles. Some people are saying we as town should try to take these roles so that mafia cannot get them. I disagree with that sentiment. The better route to go, is to have every pro-town player avoid these roles like the plague(with the exception of CV). This means that our Role Cop(already essential for town), becomes a super cop. Because anyone who has any of those 6/7 roles is automatically a mafia member. None of those 6/7 roles are powerful enough to warrant us blocking the mafia from getting them, so we should steer clear of them and give ourselves a bonus on investigation. Also, by leaving DayVig, Bad Santa and Vengeful Player(??) for the mafia to take, it makes Bullet Bill much stronger by him not getting confused by pro-town players with guns.

Other Good Roles for Town

Alignment Cop
Bulletproof
Veteran
Meth Man
Doctor
Doctor

These roles don't really need any explanation. They are all much more pro-town then pro-mafia.

This leaves the last three(unless I missed some):
Mason
Martyr
Copy Cat

Mason is powerful in the right hands. Martyr is so-so. Copy Cat is not real important in my eyes, given that we start with a lynch, so the mafia can't snipe the CV and then scoop it up. However, if we lynch someone on Day 1 who is Vanilla, then we run the risk of having mafia take the CV via the Copy Cat, which would be very bad for the town. For this reason, I think we should have whoever is at pick #5 be responsible for taking Copy Cat. Thoughts?



If mafia chooses to take the pro-mafia roles, that's great. It gives us more effective investigative powers. If mafia chooses to avoid the pro-mafia roles, that's also great, as it keeps the most effective power roles from the mafia.

We should probably have some way of divvying up the 5 essential roles so that we know they all get taken. Possibly divide the first 15 draft picks into 5 groups of 3, and give each group 1 of the essential roles. 1-3 Role Cop, 4-6 Tracker, 7-9 Watcher, etc. Then whichever player wants an investigative role knows which one they can pick. IE, the 7th player wants an investigative role, so he knows that his option is watcher. Something like that. Thoughts?

To recap: We prioritize the essential 5 roles for town and make sure they get taken, no town players take any of the pro-mafia roles, first draft pick takes CV, 5th draft pick takes Copy Cat.

The town has the advantage in this set-up, we just have to be smart enough to use it.

Please address as many points here as you can. Agree or Disagree. This is when we make our plan for the entire game.

On August 06 2010 19:29 Radfield wrote:



Yeah, I was planning on taking the Impatient Mason role if I was Town this game. I had a decent plan of action and it would've been super fun for me

I feel like no one is ever going to take Alignment Cop. With a 50% chance of getting a useless role(naive and paranoid), and 3 or 4 other good investigative roles out there, it's just too much to risk your pick on.


Also, just a little reminder to everyone. After the draft you will need to PM the role you want to Ace, he's not going to PM you to ask. Last game like 5 of the 20 people didn't choose a role, which made things way harder for town then they needed to be.

On August 26 2010 14:12 Pandain wrote:


Ha! You think that's tough?
I had all my teeth pulled out while I was still awake. It was all in 10 minutes, one a minute. Then they took out my fingernails and forced all the yanked teeth as replacements.
*cue next 1 up*

On August 26 2010 21:22 zeks wrote:
I was never sold on the fact that PoD is a pure anti-town role.

I mean sure its two night phases we skip a lynch (most of the time we lynch one of our own) and mafia gets 2 kills - but doesn't it also give our town roles more chances to act? (ie. cops get double the checks)

We'd also have more information going into the next day to make a more educated lynch. It's just essentially a no lynch don't see how it can give scum a big advantage which is what people have been suggesting.

Having said that I am against a no lynch tonight just cause I think its imminent to nab the traitor

On August 26 2010 14:12 Pandain wrote:


Ha! You think that's tough?
I had all my teeth pulled out while I was still awake. It was all in 10 minutes, one a minute. Then they took out my fingernails and forced all the yanked teeth as replacements.
*cue next 1 up*

Anyway, I just want everyone to remember that its 10 for majority lynch. So, I think we should think it out before auto-lynching him. Not saying we won't, just have to think about it.