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Scamp
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Day 1 part 1 + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2010 12:07 Bill Murray wrote: ##Vote Ace On August 08 2010 15:16 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote: scamp On August 08 2010 15:16 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote: ace On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote scamp unvote vote ace On August 08 2010 19:09 Bill Murray wrote: unvote ##vote: lsb unvote ##vote: ace Well all remember this incident. Bill Murray sends the town into a disarray, no one knows what’s going on. Very un townlike, trying to mess everyone up, breaking up town unity. Casting suspicion on a random player?? Why did he do that? + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 12:37 Bill Murray wrote: i'm going to be honest, i was really just hoping to lynch ace, lol unvote On August 09 2010 12:43 Bill Murray wrote: I am in like five games, so I figured a joke like that wouldn't hurt while I caught up on the 2 games I just replaced into. I'm going to analyze the first 15 pages of this now. Or? On August 09 2010 17:11 Bill Murray wrote: it was a ploy to out you and it worked so quit flailing and take it like a man Hmmm something completely changed. Bill flat out lied in order to help support getting Pyrr killed. Day 1 part 2. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 13:28 Bill Murray wrote: I've been a treestump. I hated using it, but when you're near a lynch, it is a good ability. Wouldn't you rather be able to continue talking than have to sit on the sidelines watching? you can still do behavioral analysis and catch scum as a treestump. I'm going to have to agree with Ace here, although I'm assuming he is a town aligned power role at this point. If he doesn't help out we can hold him accountable. I took his arguing with Pyrrhuloxia as Pyrry trying to get a scum driven wagon going on day 1. I wanted to see who would be apt to get rid of our best player (if ace is town, he is our best asset, regardless of his role) I completely disagree with you. I have not taken Pyrrhuloxia as town whatsoever yet this game. I am getting a negative read from him, and if he flips red, I bet you will too. Because I have learned ways to get information flowing which I can analyze and find scum, like Pyrrhuloxia and Scamp, who we as a town probably need to lynch. See how he "isn't worried about me", because he is wanting this wagon to go on Ace. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pyrrhuloxia was the Godfather. You really are a good player, and you know it. I'm jealous. At least we have suspicions of the same person. Why are you thinking like mafia at all? This feels like a scum slip to me. I feel like your play this game fits with your scum meta, especially with the way you jumped on the first opportunity presented to you for a wagon. No, I was just jumping at the opportunity to piss Ace off day 1. Whenever people started talking about "play to win", I realized that I was betraying the town by not scumhunting. I hadn't originally intended to use my ploy for information, but since it DID get a lot of information, I'm going to use it. That's why I'm going to Vote: Pyrrhuloxia Don't try to blame me for your scumminess showing when you were arguing with Ace. It was my fault that the town was in chaos at the time, but a lot of information came from it that is going to be pro-town when we lynch you (because you are going to flip red). I thought I wanted to kill ace... I always want to pressure him first, because he's the best player, but there is no way in hell I'm voting for Ace right now or willing to endorse his lynch. I am pretty sure that you have dug yourself a hole, and when I flip, you will definitely get killed. You are scum trying to go against a plan that puts pressure on you. So you're implying that he caught you on your scum slip? I wouldn't say you've been playing like crap if you're red, you have a wagon going on me, and you almost had a townie with a vendetta lynch a town aligned power role, which would have been some absolute awesomeness for you. The only crappy part about your play is that you were too willing to bandwagon and have little slipups about the amount of information you have. Do you remember when L spent 2 weeks trying to get me lynched? It happens. I'm sorry, but I've dropped it, and am not trying to push it. @Scamp: what players are you referring to? @Ace: What should we do going forward as a town? I'm going to Vote: Pyrrhuloxia Fairly certain he's scum. On August 09 2010 13:51 Bill Murray wrote: Don't act like i'm the only one who is calling you out on your scumminess, pyrry BM bandwagons someone else inorder to draw heat off of himself. BM almost died there On August 09 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote: your wanting to wagon is noted, divinek @ace: if i die, a specific power role loses their power, but i don't want to say which He even accuses of wagoning when he is doing it himself On August 10 2010 08:17 Bill Murray wrote: @ Ace: mass roleblock? @ citi.zen: who are your top 3 suspects, and why? Immediately he starts working with citi.zen EPILOUGE On August 13 2010 05:57 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote: youngminii A lynch is better than a no lynch from a town perspective. Why should we skimp on using our kp? We don't happen to have any roles like trackers/watchers do we? We could use these to confirm me. Oh look! Another Wagon! Bill saves himself! Day two part 1. Bill the vig + Show Spoiler + On August 11 2010 19:39 Bill Murray wrote: ok, you all want a real claim? i'm the vigilante. On August 11 2010 19:43 Bill Murray wrote: i can only vig someone who was on the lynch wagon in the previous day Bill is going to kill someone On August 12 2010 21:10 Bill Murray wrote: who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight? On August 12 2010 21:10 Bill Murray wrote: who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight? On August 13 2010 13:12 Bill Murray wrote: i'm going to hit citi.zen On August 13 2010 14:06 Bill Murray wrote: Now: 7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people. Tonight: a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide. Tomorrow Night: a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 5v2 if I hit (similar to c9 I believe?) b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts c.) i'm not exploring craziness The next night would be lylo if I mishit tomorrow night, so I can wait a day, or not use it at all tomorrow night either if we get no info. If by some odd chance we have a bodyguard role, please for the love of God protect me tonight. If there is a tracker who can track a mafia to a kill tonight, that would be GREAT. If not, I might not hit tomorrow, as 5v3 is better than 4v3. I don't want to be in lylo. Bill has second thoughts On August 14 2010 08:15 Bill Murray wrote: If I mishit someone we will have lylo a day earlier. Are you dumb? If someone can give me information on who a red is I will use my hit. I do not want us to lose a day early due to incompetance. We have already lost 1 informative town role and our medic, we do not need to lose our vig. Your play right now is screaming red to me, trying to get me lynched, since I'm a confirmable town member who is using his head and that threatens your little mafia. Bill immediately goes from “Let’s kill someone!” To. “WTF you tried to get me to kill someone? youre scum FUFUFUFUFU” On August 14 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote: I'm also going to ##vote for Korynne. My reasoning is that she is trying to force an earlier LyLo situation which is scummy and improper play as town. If she is not red, I have no good reads, as I've red the slot as red. Korynne has really been laying under the radar in terms of voting, too, which is suspicious to me. It feels like they don't want their vote analyzed. Korynne is also trying to push a lynch on me which would put the town at 5v3 and then how can i vig her scummy ass when I'm dead? On August 15 2010 04:56 Bill Murray wrote: @Korynne: I disagree with you on this. I feel that one should not vigi and force lylo a day early when one does not have any information on who to vig. I stated I wasn't going to be hitting anyone yet way before the night ended. If you don't believe me, go read what happened in between the lynch and the night post. It's only about a page. I seriously don't believe the town analyzed my post or even understood it whatsoever. I had noone respond to the difference that a mishit of my power would make for the town. I would rather give us, as a town, another day, than risk mishitting. Oh, Bill didn’t think of that earlier? More likely, Bill is Mafia, Bill wants to say ‘lets hit someone’ and then weasel out of it Why shouldn’t we kill Bill? Bill's defence + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2010 10:59 Bill Murray wrote: why am i a good candidate? i'm just a townie, but the fact that without me we essentially make a power role a townie, i am vital to the town's survival and ability to act at night with my claim, i wouldn't be surprised if i was killed tonight, so you'll have to pick someone other than me tomorrow On August 12 2010 17:44 Bill Murray wrote: omg you guys are idiots if you all mislynch me you all are seriously hurting it will be at 5v3 tomorrow................ Bill's reasons. 1) He calls himself townie, 2) He’s going to die the next night ##VOTE: Bill Murray
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote: you can't even spell korynne, how can you make a valid case? you are just defending your scumbuddy with useless speculation the only reason i wanted this night extended is to get information on jayme's slot darth is inheriting Firstly, I haven't defended her yet. I'm just saying I'm not going to trust you guys. On August 16 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote: day* you can't even tell the difference between night and day, how can you make a valid case? you are only attacking me with useless speculation the only reason i wanted this day extended is to attack you On August 16 2010 08:29 Divinek wrote: if you want to do a real analysis about any of those people then that'd be great, rather than piecing together circumstantial evidence. you can do that have of the player list and i can do the rest if you want! I really do feel like i need to be taking a look at chaoser, and anything jayme actually said before he died lol. Inactive people coasting by that urgently needed to avoid mod kills. Yeah, I was doing that while you were typing this. Check it out! | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote: I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference. Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious? | ||
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DarthThienAn
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citi.zen
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Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 16 2010 10:07 citi.zen wrote: Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help. Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners. Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy. Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal? | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote: Look at this vote list: The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now. Meaning: * Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed"). * Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red. I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it. That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne. The weekend is here! When I was reading, I leaned Korynne + bumatlarge as red. LSB/chaoser is sort of suspicious as well. + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2010 13:16 Korynne wrote: Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM? Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys. FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen. Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances. I think Ace was right before. Also, when is there NOT a kp role? No vigilante would mean that we have several detectives or something. And balance wise, it only makes sense to have one doctor (1 mafia kp). Based on that, we either have a vigilante or LSB is lying. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2010 01:20 Korynne wrote: Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys! How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight. Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not. Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes." So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm. Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places. This post deflects a little bit o.O. I kind of like the plan though. Where he shoots you, I mean :D. Minus the part where we leave you alive :D. | ||
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citi.zen
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DarthThienAn
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##Vote Korynne citi.zen, what's your penalty? jw, because I don't have yours in my chart =D. I'll phrase mine exactly as Jayme phrased it awhile ago. I look guilty. lolol. Also, @BM: What is your penalty? I just want to be sure because it seems like you were lying for the first half of the game or so, and thus, the list would be wrong. Updating the list: Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting. Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions. zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power LSB: citi.zen: Suicidal youngminii: Selfish Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies. Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night Jayme: Goth: looks guilty chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.[/QUOTE] | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote: LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red? It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town. | ||
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citi.zen
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On August 16 2010 10:18 LSB wrote: Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners. Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy. Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal? I never once said I had proof he was red. I said he was not being helpful and there was no better lynch target. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote: LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red? Yeah, all he has to do is say "oh! If I kill someone it goes to Lylo, so I'm not going to kill someone" and he's safe. On August 16 2010 10:25 citi.zen wrote: I never once said I had proof he was red. I said he was not being helpful and there was no better lynch target. kk, so you killed Youngminii cause he wasn't active enough. But that still doesn't answer the question, I don't get why people thought Youngminii was mafia. | ||
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citi.zen
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On August 16 2010 10:24 DarthThienAn wrote: It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town. If he's red it's a gamble: if there is a vigi he's dead; if not, it's a very good cover (as Korynne and LSB repeatedly point out). This small chance at a good wifom alibi seems like a bad gamble to me vs. the reality of getting shot at night. It sucks having to stake the game on BM making a "rational decision", but Korynne and the other suspects have in the meantime made me feel better about my choice. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 16 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote: If he's red it's a gamble: if there is a vigi he's dead; if not, it's a very good cover (as Korynne and LSB repeatedly point out). This small chance at a good wifom alibi seems like a bad gamble to me vs. the reality of getting shot at night. It sucks having to stake the game on BM making a "rational decision", but Korynne and the other suspects have in the meantime made me feel better about my choice. I'm with you on that, I see why bluffing vigi is a bad idea. But at the same time, BM has not acted rational at all this game. Day 1, his little mess up the town. That was not rational. It is unforgivable that he then twists his words to say it was a way to attack Pyrr I'm more willing to buy the story that the medic protected BM from the Vigi hit because he was begging for protection | ||
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citi.zen
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On August 16 2010 10:23 DarthThienAn wrote: That said, ##Vote Korynne citi.zen, what's your penalty? jw, because I don't have yours in my chart =D. I'll phrase mine exactly as Jayme phrased it awhile ago. I look guilty. lolol. Also, @BM: What is your penalty? I just want to be sure because it seems like you were lying for the first half of the game or so, and thus, the list would be wrong. Updating the list: Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting. Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions. zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power LSB: citi.zen: Suicidal youngminii: Selfish Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies. Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night Jayme: Goth: looks guilty chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day. Unlike the mafia, I was not given a "safe" penalty. If I post my penalty the mafia can use it to kill me, so forgive me but I can't. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On August 16 2010 10:45 LSB wrote: I'm with you on that, I see why bluffing vigi is a bad idea. But at the same time, BM has not acted rational at all this game. Day 1, his little mess up the town. That was not rational. It is unforgivable that he then twists his words to say it was a way to attack Pyrr I'm more willing to buy the story that the medic protected BM from the Vigi hit because he was begging for protection http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117662 This Micro Mafia II Go read this, LSB. I am getting the same feeling from that game. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
@citi.zen I'm still not sure if I believe that treestump claim and I'd like to hear more from bumatlarge. Did you pick up on any scummy vibes from your reading of that? Because I'm a bit more suspicious of Korynne I'm going to keep my vote on her. She has been lurking or inactive which to me is a sign of scum giving up in being caught. @Divinek What was your claim again? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
"Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night" What negative impacts come from this? FoS: Divinek | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I'm sort of torn on my vote. I hate feeling frustrated as town. | ||
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