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On August 14 2010 12:11 bumatlarge wrote:
Hm :/ well bill you got some explaining to do. Citizen isnt dead. mafia had a 1 in 3 shot, I would have taken my chances and hit bill. They either REALLY feel lucky this game, or BM is red.
## Vote Bill Murray
Maybe the vig is either jaymes, or has some whack penalty. This is a pretty obvious choice. Thanks citizen for making this a little easier for the town. Hey maybe even Korynne is red too instead of LSB, but we can speculate that later.
For the 1111th time: it makes no sense for Bill to claim vig, of all things, if he was red. It's the least safe claim possible: if there is a real vigilante he dies, and allows the vigilante to confirm themselves in the process. 2x lose for the mafia, vs. any other fake claim they can come up with.
The better question is "why is BM still alive?" Here I can guess: the mafia already know they can avoid getting hit by staying off the wagon, so leaving him alive can at most hurt the town if he kills another town-aligned player; they think they can get BM lynched.
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Look at this vote list:
youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme
The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now.
Meaning:
* Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed").
* Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red.
I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it.
That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne.
The weekend is here!
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On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:Look at this vote list: Show nested quote +youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now. Meaning: * Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed"). * Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red. I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it. That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne. The weekend is here!
hm you present an interesting candidate i will be sure to do a full analysis when i get back from getting smashed out of my mind. I feel that this is when i think with the most clarity
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On August 14 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote:##vote korynneShow nested quote +On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_> This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight. Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol.
Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM?
Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys.
FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen.
Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances.
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Wait... citi.zen so you're saying that reds would just absolutely not vote for the majority? Would seem kind of stupid to put all your eggs in one basket. Not to mention how hard it would be for town to coordinate 4 people onto someone.
I don't know why you seem so trusting of Scamp and Divinek without giving any reasons, and expecting us to trust you without giving any reasons...
So BM can you explain why you didn't hit citi.zen? Like, at no point before the night ended were you like, okay I sent my hit in or like so like I'm not going to because like, observe, LYLO.
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I'm saying that :
* It makes little sense for a red to claim vigi, given there is a decent chance there is a vigi in the game
* If BM told the truth about being a vigi with the bandwagon penalty, the mafia would stay off the wagon while encouraging him to kill someone, anyone, off that wagon. This is exactly what you, Korynne, argued for: to "confirm himself" he should kill... anyone. You stayed off the wagon, of course.
* Since they know how to prevent BM from killing them, the mafia let BM live to be lynched and/or "prove himself" by killing a townie tomorrow night
My 0.2c in the absence of a better story.
PS: please don't just reply WIFOM, I really don't care for that empty acronym.
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Yeah lets hear BM's excuses now. Korynne that is a funky penalty, not that a I disagree with where your vote is. Though its nice playing with only 5 people, when 9 are left. Town is in really good spirits obv.
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Citi.zen it's possible that "vigilante" was given to the mafia as a safe-claim, and therefore they would know there isn't one in the game.
I'm just waiting for Bill Murray's input before doing any heavy reacting.
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Now:
7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people. Thankfully, I didn't die.
Today: I chose option a!
a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit
b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit
c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide.
I chose option a!
Tomorrow Night:
a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 4v2 if I hit
b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts
c.) i'm not exploring craziness
so now I have multiple options tonight, as seen above. Anyone who doesn't understand this.. well w/e
Tomorrow night I now have these options: a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 4v2 if I hit
Did we get ANY information? I would like to know who it would be beneficial to hit. The town is going to go into lynch or lose a day earlier if I hit incorrectly, do you not see that? 5v3 > 4v3. Obviously 4v2 > 4v3 for us, but I want there to be information before I waste my hit on an innocent.
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I'm also going to ##vote for Korynne. My reasoning is that she is trying to force an earlier LyLo situation which is scummy and improper play as town. If she is not red, I have no good reads, as I've red the slot as red. Korynne has really been laying under the radar in terms of voting, too, which is suspicious to me. It feels like they don't want their vote analyzed. Korynne is also trying to push a lynch on me which would put the town at 5v3 and then how can i vig her scummy ass when I'm dead?
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On August 14 2010 15:38 Scamp wrote:
Citi.zen it's possible that "vigilante" was given to the mafia as a safe-claim, and therefore they would know there isn't one in the game.
I'm just waiting for Bill Murray's input before doing any heavy reacting.
It would make the game too imbalanced, I would think, if the reds knew what roles there are out there but the town did not. Plus, the OP states the mafia is given penalty claims, saying nothing about role claims:
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.
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Prodding chaoser, also LSB for heck of it too.
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Why aren't we lynching BM again? He said he was vigi, claimed he hit someone, then it didn't happen. WTF?
##vote BM
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On August 14 2010 23:32 chaoser wrote:
Why aren't we lynching BM again? He said he was vigi, claimed he hit someone, then it didn't happen. WTF?
##vote BM
Where did he claim he hit someone?
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Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys!
How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight.
Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not.
Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes."
So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm.
Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places.
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On August 15 2010 01:20 Korynne wrote:
Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys!
If BM is red he took one hell of a risk claiming vigi of all things. I mentioned this many time before. It's not impossible he's red, just highly unlikely. Without addressing this you're making unjustified claims simply for the sake of spreading confusion.
How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight.
I actually tried to do a long post on scamp. I went through all his posts and could not convince myself he is red. So I let it go. Divinek also seemed reasonable. Am I sure? Somewhat :-)
Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not.
I think you have it backwards: the reason we would want to use it is that we are sure we will hit a red. Otherwise we are just helping the mafia win faster, especially since in this set-up they know how to avoid being hit.
Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes."
Directed at BM, so he can answer. For my $$s worth a FoS on BM is weak, as stated above.
So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm.
I see no better candidate than yourself for today's lynch. The second part of your idea is pretty good though: everyone should be on the same wagon so we can choose our course of action after we see how you flip.
Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places.
I never tried to bicker. I am just telling you and, more importantly, the other players, what my take is on the current situation. If they don't want to read, think about it, or offer better alternatives.... whatever :-)
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ok so i didnt even make it to my room last night LOL
anyways as promised
On August 13 2010 00:11 Korynne wrote:
Can we vote for no lynch? I'm totally down for that (minus the fact I can't change my vote to reflect that).
We're voting to lynch youngminii (or alternatively for no lynch), he doesn't need to be on the bandwagon for us to lynch him...
We can decide afterwards in the no lynch group or in the youngminii group, whichever one is the bandwagon of the day, who we want BM to vigi.
woo go anti town plan! Not lynching gives the mafia a whole extra night to kill someone. While the town potentially only gains the the death of a townie
On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_>
really pushing the hit huh, it's almost like you know no scum are gonna get hit. You know ive had my suspicions about citizen but when you seem so adamant on getting someone on the young wagon killed i start to not be so worried about him and be more worried about your god damn anti town ideas. Yeah lets kill 2 towns in one night!
why would mafia want him dead so badly? If they know the mechanic behind his shot restriction they can avoid it somewhat easily, and get 2 kills a night instead of one rofl. HOW DO PEOPLE NOt SEE YOU AS RED
On August 14 2010 07:27 Korynne wrote:
Dude, if the only argument you have against lynching you is that you know you're not mafia... then that's a pretty poor argument.
You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red?
Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation.
what the fuck is your argument? Surely the same thing, so by this very merit your argument is poor and we should lynch you. Which by god we will do you scum bastard
i have a very hard time ever telling wtf bm is because his play is so retarded regardless of his alignment. But think about it, town REALLY has to have some sort of KP role this game
and if there was another vig bm would be 100% dead by now.
On August 14 2010 13:16 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote:##vote korynneOn August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_> This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight. Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol. Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM? Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys. FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen. Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances.
ROFL a restriction that he cant kill bm? please get your head out of your ass, that would be the worst restriction on a vig possible. That's like one of the few ways he can guarantee hit a red is a fake claim.
Yes EVERYONE ELSE is like dont waste a shot, yet you're so intent on him wasting a shot and potentially killing a townie, which would damn near end the game for us. I would like to lynch at least one mafia this game, so I'm not going to continue to breeze over your empty anti town logic anymore
If you're done giving him chances why isnt your vote on him? I know you can't change it but that sounds like a pretty absolute statement. OH THE FANNING OF THE FLAMES
On August 14 2010 13:23 Korynne wrote:
Wait... citi.zen so you're saying that reds would just absolutely not vote for the majority? Would seem kind of stupid to put all your eggs in one basket. Not to mention how hard it would be for town to coordinate 4 people onto someone.
I don't know why you seem so trusting of Scamp and Divinek without giving any reasons, and expecting us to trust you without giving any reasons...
So BM can you explain why you didn't hit citi.zen? Like, at no point before the night ended were you like, okay I sent my hit in or like so like I'm not going to because like, observe, LYLO.
i agree that it is pretty ludicrous that no reds would vote for majority. It is possible but i believe it to be unlikely, naturally though they would limit their numbers on that wagon as much as possible.
I suppose you can only trust me based on your own nose, though if you really wanted i could role claim and you could discern the legitimacy of it based on what has happened.
As for scamp..i dunno. I haven't gone through his post history much because such obvious targets as yourself present themselves
note the bolded part, im quite certain bm did give a logical explanation for not wanting to mindlessly waste a vig hit, so now you're just LYING. And yet you kept pushing for him to hit someone on that wagon
almost like you KNEW he would hit whom you wanted to hit
you're going down today you scum fuck, i know you're a good player and can talk your way out of things but not this time
##vote korynne
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Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not
@Korynne: I disagree with you on this. I feel that one should not vigi and force lylo a day early when one does not have any information on who to vig.
I stated I wasn't going to be hitting anyone yet way before the night ended. If you don't believe me, go read what happened in between the lynch and the night post. It's only about a page. I seriously don't believe the town analyzed my post or even understood it whatsoever. I had noone respond to the difference that a mishit of my power would make for the town. I would rather give us, as a town, another day, than risk mishitting.
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im quite certain bm did give a logical explanation
@divinek: I'm glad someone knows how to read. I thought citi.zen was the only person in the town who isn't illiterate for a minute.
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If Korynne flips red, I'm not going to use my vig hit, as scum probably won't be on her wagon
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