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Doubt - Mafia Manga ^_^

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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 03 2010 12:44 GMT
#1
So I really forgot about this manga I read like 2? years ago. It's pretty much a manga based on Mafia in a way. Good stuff if you enjoy playing Mafia. Have fun reading ^_^

http://www.onemanga.com/Doubt/1/00-cover/
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
July 03 2010 13:06 GMT
#2
Yep, it's a really good manga :D
The ending was epic though.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 03 2010 13:20 GMT
#3
yea the ending is sick
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
July 03 2010 15:14 GMT
#4
It was fun to read, though I thought the manga lacked enough elements of psychology and intelligent planning. Reads more like suspense/horror movie. Also did author give us enough clues to deduce the scum's identity? + Show Spoiler +
the 'true' scum does not count.
(SPOILER)
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 03 2010 15:41 GMT
#5
DOUBT SO GOOD
I READ THE WHOLE THING IN ONE DAY

ALSO THIS IS IN THE MAFIA SIGNUP THREAD SOMEWHERE
WHY HAVE I NOT BEEN USING PUNCTUATION
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-03 17:00:11
July 03 2010 16:50 GMT
#6
I read the whole thing, it felt a bit cheesy. Hesmyrr has already brought up a few flaws.
Gave me a "..." moment at the end.
Entertaining, nevertheless.

I personally like "Liar Game" way more, and I'm sure a lot of you would too. (Been following the manga for 3 years)
http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/
靈魂交響曲
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 03 2010 22:22 GMT
#7
lmfao wtf brb learning hypnotism
lalala
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
July 04 2010 01:37 GMT
#8
reading this makes me not want to play mafia no more
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 06:58 GMT
#9
On July 04 2010 01:50 Fishball wrote:
I read the whole thing, it felt a bit cheesy. Hesmyrr has already brought up a few flaws.
Gave me a "..." moment at the end.
Entertaining, nevertheless.

I personally like "Liar Game" way more, and I'm sure a lot of you would too. (Been following the manga for 3 years)
http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/

Just got up to the bit where Game 2's just about to start and the girl asks "Are you a woman?".

WIFOM ALERT WIFOM ALERT
BEEP BEEP BEEP
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 07:05:39
July 04 2010 07:01 GMT
#10
Wait there's a second?! Oops I'm dumb.

FUCK I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SLEEP T_____T

Also yeah Doubt did end up having some logical flaws...
But that's okay I guess.

Off to reading!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 07:39:34
July 04 2010 07:37 GMT
#11
Wow.
Wow.
Most awesome use of prisoner's dilemma at the end of Game 2.
Wow.

Actually it's a bit different to prisoner's dilemma, but still awesome.
wifomwifomwifom
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 07:52 GMT
#12
What the fffffff still awake now.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 09:42 GMT
#13
Doubting people is simply a part of trying to get to know them...

what many people do, that they call trust, is actually giving up on trying to understand others. And that has nothing to do with "trust", but is rather apathy.


BAM best quote in the manga. GG
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 09:48 GMT
#14
Wheeeeeee still reading.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 09:58 GMT
#15
Dude this manga is epic, my eyes hurt from tiredness
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 10:18 GMT
#16
Lolllll revival round.
<3

Hi youngminii still up? o/
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 10:19 GMT
#17
wassssssup
revival round's interesting

he fucks them all up.
big time.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 10:20 GMT
#18
Wait that applies to every round, nvm
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 10:26 GMT
#19
Looooooooooooooooooool transvestite.
Revival round owned yay.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 10:40 GMT
#20
Nao: "I took care of some girly stuff y'know?"
Fukunaga: "...And you do realize you're talking to a guy, right?"

Looooooool.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 10:44 GMT
#21
Game 3 gave me a headache when they explained the rules.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.
But so good.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 10:53 GMT
#22
They should literally rename this into Wine In Front Of Me.
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 11:03 GMT
#23
Loooooooooooooooooooool.
Game 3 awesomeness.
Okay maybe we should start consolidating posts.
But it's 7 in the morning and I'm freezing.

Fuck yeah Snuggie.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 11:08 GMT
#24
Lmfao that's the life, reading psychological manga until 7 in the morning on a saturday night.
I mean Sunday morning.
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 11:17:48
July 04 2010 11:16 GMT
#25
Yep, and Wimbledon finals in less than two hours.
Yay I'm happy.
Akiyama reminds me so much of L :3

+ Show Spoiler [:3] +
[image loading]

I lost T_T
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 11:30 GMT
#26
LOLOLOL I just lost the game.
Wow he really is like L.. More mature though.

The girl is very.. plain, for lack of a better word.
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 12:06 GMT
#27
FINAL SCORES OF CONTRABAND OH MY
/excited
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 12:14 GMT
#28
wtf i'm not even up to that
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 12:26:51
July 04 2010 12:22 GMT
#29
Loooooooooool Nao is a boss.
Onto Game 4! Revival Round 2! (Oops I'm an idiot)
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 12:30 GMT
#30
gg holy shit that was pretty fuckin epic
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 12:49 GMT
#31
Lolllllll
http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/66/01/
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 12:57 GMT
#32
I'm still on ch60..
lalala
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 13:03 GMT
#33
On July 04 2010 21:57 youngminii wrote:
I'm still on ch60..

78 now^^
Taking a break for Wimbledon though \o/

Revival Round II is kind of meh so far to me; not that epic.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 13:09 GMT
#34
I guess that's okay. Game 2 was a blast, didn't expect it to be beaten by Revival Round anyway.
lalala
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 17:35:31
July 04 2010 17:32 GMT
#35
Are you guys seriously trying to read through Liar Game in one go ?
That's quite a bit. Although I would have done the same if I've never read it before.
Keep in mind, the story/manga is not finished.

For those that are interested, there is also a Japanese Drama made for it.
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/LIAR_GAME

靈魂交響曲
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 18:10 GMT
#36
T_T
Yeah one go.
Took a break for Wimbledon. 100ish now.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 04 2010 19:41 GMT
#37
lol flamewheel, did you sleep at all?
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 04 2010 20:31 GMT
#38
Sleep is for the weak!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 04 2010 22:03 GMT
#39
gg i slept
just woke up

BACK TO READING
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 05 2010 01:29 GMT
#40
I found a small strategy in the liar game (1st period just finished for me).

There are 8 people in Akiyama's group, with 2 infected. Akiyama knows Akagi is infected, hence there's pretty much a group with 7 people where 1 is infected.

Before the first period ended, have two people come into contact. If, in the break, there are only 2 people infected, then those two people that came into contact are confirmed normals.
If there are 3 infected at the break, then one of those people must be infected.

Repeat for next period. GG BAM good chance of winning.
lalala
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
July 05 2010 02:30 GMT
#41
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=96779#3
:O
But yes, both Doubt and Liar Game are very fun reads.
Uff Da
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 05 2010 08:11 GMT
#42
I hate having to wait on new chapters T_____T
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 05 2010 08:56 GMT
#43
Up to Game 4 Period 7. Not bad, not bad at all.
lalala
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 08 2010 22:19 GMT
#44
Wow. I don't read much manga but Liar game was tremendously enjoyable. Any other manga along the same lines?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 09 2010 13:34 GMT
#45
I have never read any manga before but I couldn't stop on these.

Doubt was very beautiful but I had a problem telling the characters apart.

TLG was phenomenal, maybe it helped that they tended to give people nick names in the large scenes but I could follow the action easily. I really expected the final game to be the lamest but the spin they placed on it made it really intense. I think my favorite game was the contraband game though. I kept hoping they would just dump that girl because as someone mentioned earlier she was kind of "plain" but she definitely grows as time goes on and you are glad that they didn't

Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
July 09 2010 13:51 GMT
#46
On July 09 2010 07:19 Zona wrote:
Wow. I don't read much manga but Liar game was tremendously enjoyable. Any other manga along the same lines?


Close to Liar Game's vicinity/level?
Nope.

Liar Game does have a bunch of "Bonus Chapters/Short Stories" that are stand alone, either about Akiyama Shinichi's past, or others that are totally non related to the main story.

One Manga does not have these extra content, so you guys might want to search around.
I read mine from Chinese sites.
靈魂交響曲
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
July 09 2010 20:12 GMT
#47
Holy crap, goodbye next few hours. Just got to the second book and I'm hooked now.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
July 09 2010 22:46 GMT
#48
Actually, I read the whole Liar game in 1 go =.="
Anyways, I was thinking that we should recreate a game from the manga? :D
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
July 10 2010 00:57 GMT
#49
On July 10 2010 07:46 Abenson wrote:
Actually, I read the whole Liar game in 1 go =.="
Anyways, I was thinking that we should recreate a game from the manga? :D

Yeah, I'm mostly interested in doing the minority game. Would anybody be interested in that? It actually should be a fairly quick game, of course it'd only be fun if we got a lot of people in on it.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 10 2010 03:01 GMT
#50
But we all know the strategies etc.

It'll be easy to win lol
lalala
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 10 2010 03:57 GMT
#51
NO!


oh wait that was my vote

I would be up for it, I forgot how cool that game was.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 04:02:38
July 10 2010 04:02 GMT
#52
On July 10 2010 12:01 youngminii wrote:
But we all know the strategies etc.

It'll be easy to win lol

The same strategies wouldn't really work as effectively if we ALL know them
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 10 2010 04:11 GMT
#53
Looooooooooooooool I read it in one go.
America!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 06:02:47
December 05 2011 05:46 GMT
#54
So after a year and a half of hiatus, Liar Game is back (since late November).
Chapter 139 can be found here in English.
The newest chapter is 140, but the English translation isn't released yet.
靈魂交響曲
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 05 2011 05:51 GMT
#55
On December 05 2011 14:46 Fishball wrote:
So after a year of hiatus, Liar Game is back (since November).
Chapter 139 can be found here in English.
The newest chapter is 140, but the English translation isn't released yet.

WWOOOOOOO
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
December 05 2011 06:15 GMT
#56
YES
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 06:31:25
December 05 2011 06:31 GMT
#57
Now that's an epic bump
Onemanga is down, anyone know where I can read doubt?
//Is this all the chapters (link)
Also, the wiki says there is a sequel called Judge
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
December 05 2011 07:05 GMT
#58
Ya Liar game is awesome, everyone here should read it. 140 is out on mangafox already. Sometime in the future once I figure out a good setup hopefully I can host a liar game type of game
Liquipedia
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
December 05 2011 07:13 GMT
#59
Cool. I have to study for exams now. Thanks for firing up my procrastination, lol.
you gotta dance
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
December 05 2011 07:21 GMT
#60
140 chapters?

well, I know what Im doing all night...
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
December 05 2011 13:40 GMT
#61
On December 05 2011 15:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Now that's an epic bump
Onemanga is down, anyone know where I can read doubt?
//Is this all the chapters (link)
Also, the wiki says there is a sequel called Judge

I was wondering why the manga sucked so much... Correct wiki, but I confused it with Doubt!! manga when I found a page :/
Is this both correct and the whole manga?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
December 05 2011 20:27 GMT
#62
On December 05 2011 22:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 15:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Now that's an epic bump
Onemanga is down, anyone know where I can read doubt?
//Is this all the chapters (link)
Also, the wiki says there is a sequel called Judge

I was wondering why the manga sucked so much... Correct wiki, but I confused it with Doubt!! manga when I found a page :/
Is this both correct and the whole manga?


I saw your original link last night. I couldn't help but laugh, but decided not to say anything.
Yes, the new link is the correct Doubt manga. The story itself sucks though.
Just read Liar Game.
靈魂交響曲
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
December 05 2011 22:24 GMT
#63
Liar game is so good
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
December 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#64
Link?
you gotta dance
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 05 2011 22:54 GMT
#65
On December 06 2011 07:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Link?

http://www.mangareader.net/164/liar-game.html

One of my favorite manga by far.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 06:55:17
December 06 2011 06:53 GMT
#66
Woah, I've been reading Liar game, so far all the games are pretty awesome.
We definitely need to find a way to bring the smuggling from round 3 into mafia.
Minority rules could be interesting, but it seems so solveable.
I wonder how well the revival game would work in practice.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
December 06 2011 10:48 GMT
#67
Liar game is the best manga ever :p
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
December 11 2011 19:11 GMT
#68
How often is Liar Game updated?
Whaaaa?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 19:14:49
December 11 2011 19:12 GMT
#69
Forget College. I'm moving to Japan and scamming people out of millions for opening letters.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 11 2011 19:38 GMT
#70
Am I missing something? Why wouldn't you put it into a bank, collect interest and everyone wins? oO? (I'm only at chapter 1, so don't spoil anything please oO)
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
nyczbrandon
Profile Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
December 11 2011 19:40 GMT
#71
On December 12 2011 04:38 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Am I missing something? Why wouldn't you put it into a bank, collect interest and everyone wins? oO? (I'm only at chapter 1, so don't spoil anything please oO)


probably because its suppose to show how people in the world are greedy
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 11 2011 19:54 GMT
#72
Coulda at least added as a rule "You cannot put this in the bank, or you will instantly lose the game". Would be a simple add on that keeps continuity. If I figured this out after chapter one, surely someone would have suggested it to him?
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
December 11 2011 19:55 GMT
#73
Starting Doubt... really good so far(chapter 2). I will limit myself to 5 chapters a day!
nyczbrandon
Profile Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
December 11 2011 20:05 GMT
#74
On December 12 2011 04:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Coulda at least added as a rule "You cannot put this in the bank, or you will instantly lose the game". Would be a simple add on that keeps continuity. If I figured this out after chapter one, surely someone would have suggested it to him?


suggest to who, the girl, or her teacher she played in the first round?
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 11 2011 20:37 GMT
#75
I was thinking the rules from Liar Game should also include that if you simply put the money in the bank the game instantly ends and you lose. Or something to keep someone from simply keeping it in the bank growing interest during that period of time. Although sense I posted I'm coming to realize there are ways to lose if you do this too...
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
nyczbrandon
Profile Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
December 11 2011 20:39 GMT
#76
you could make interest, but if you lose, you still have to pay it back so interest in the short span between games wont help much
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 11 2011 22:05 GMT
#77
On December 12 2011 05:37 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I was thinking the rules from Liar Game should also include that if you simply put the money in the bank the game instantly ends and you lose. Or something to keep someone from simply keeping it in the bank growing interest during that period of time. Although sense I posted I'm coming to realize there are ways to lose if you do this too...


Well, since you're only holding the money for a brief period of time, you probably wouldn't make a lot of interest-- over the course of the 30 days during which the game is played, bank fees are likely to outweigh interest-- especially because of the low interest rates present due to Japan's liquidity trap throughout the 90s and early 00s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decade_%28Japan%29).

Also, unless the game was during a 30 day or 28 day month, and started on the last day of the previous month, you probably won't make any interest at all, since banks (generally) only pay interest at the end of the month on money that has been stored there since the 1st day of the month.
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Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 12 2011 00:20 GMT
#78
Good call, that was what I came up with too ^^
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
December 12 2011 23:53 GMT
#79
Suddenly, a random thought.

While amazing, I never really saw that much of "Mafia" element in this manga exactly. And Then There Were None was in a way as much as Mafia-ish as Doubt.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
December 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#80
On December 13 2011 08:53 Hesmyrr wrote:
Suddenly, a random thought.

While amazing, I never really saw that much of "Mafia" element in this manga exactly. And Then There Were None was in a way as much as Mafia-ish as Doubt.

If we're taking the discussion away from manga, watch Identity (2003).
I think there are a few horror movies similar to mafia already, but yeah.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
April 25 2012 06:02 GMT
#81
Wooo bump! Was browsing old games for ideas and found this.

I gotta say, I was actually pretty disappointed by Doubt. At first, I thought it was gonna do something really interesting, and contextualize their friendship and life experiences through a game that inherently discourages trust, thus making each other question what their whole relationship is based on. (hey, some people probably take the game really seriously) Then they had to go and actually kill somebody, and the thing just Battle Royal'd its way to the inevitably twisty conclusion. Also, as far as the identity of the killer goes...

+ Show Spoiler +
I just asked myself at the beginning, "who makes the least sense as the wolf, aside from the protagonist?" and got it right. xD I was even all, "they're totally gonna pull a Saw at some point", though I didn't know how. Still don't know how it actually happened, aside from weeeooweeeooweeeoohypnotism. Plus, hypnotism is a damn lazy plot device. How else you gonna make the innocent girl do a complete 180? Gob forbid you actually give a character proper motivation and analyze-able behavior. rabble rabble rabble


However, after just a chapter, I'm definitely liking Liar Game a lot more. It seems to be a closer to what I thought Doubt would be.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2012 10:55 GMT
#82
Reading Liar Game again, I forgot how good it was. Didn't realize it had this many chapters though.
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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 15:55:33
April 25 2012 15:48 GMT
#83
I can't find any links to the actual Doubt manga, that link from the OP doesn't have it.

EDIT: It says "Update Status: [not available]"

Anyways, about movies that are "seemingly" like Mafia:

Meh. It's basically a "whodunit?", but I don't think they are that good.

Why? Because it's always the same deal:
  • There is a main protagonist that you know is CONFIRMED TOWN and can't be the killer
  • If there is a woman protagonist she isn't the killer either.
  • There is a VERY BAD MAN that is NEVER the killer and is just a misunderstood soul
  • There is a fragile/innocent/friendly/lovely best friend/boyfriend/child/old lady and that one is ALWAYS the killer
  • If that one isn't the killer, then the killer is a "weak" guy who got "killed" at some point (but you never saw the body) and then he appears at the end and reveals himself as the mastermind.


There is less suspense in those type of movies than the Teletubies, since you always know the end.

If they were more unpredictable, like having NO protagonist, and having VARIOUS killers that are not stereotypes then it would be better.

For instance, why can't the token black guy be the killer? And he's found out in the middle of the movie because of inconsistent behaviour or something?
Why can't the killer be someone in plain sight (that's scummy as fuck and all), but he continues to survive because people think he's too scummy to be real?

Why aren't they more unpredictable like a real game of mafia?

Unless a movie/comic/manga/series does that, I wouldn't consider it "Mafia-esque" per se, and just a "whodunit?" ripoff with all the stereotypes that come from it


/rant
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
April 25 2012 16:24 GMT
#84
On April 26 2012 00:48 gonzaw wrote:
I can't find any links to the actual Doubt manga, that link from the OP doesn't have it.

EDIT: It says "Update Status: [not available]"

Anyways, about movies that are "seemingly" like Mafia:

Meh. It's basically a "whodunit?", but I don't think they are that good.

Why? Because it's always the same deal:
  • There is a main protagonist that you know is CONFIRMED TOWN and can't be the killer
  • If there is a woman protagonist she isn't the killer either.
  • There is a VERY BAD MAN that is NEVER the killer and is just a misunderstood soul
  • There is a fragile/innocent/friendly/lovely best friend/boyfriend/child/old lady and that one is ALWAYS the killer
  • If that one isn't the killer, then the killer is a "weak" guy who got "killed" at some point (but you never saw the body) and then he appears at the end and reveals himself as the mastermind.


There is less suspense in those type of movies than the Teletubies, since you always know the end.

If they were more unpredictable, like having NO protagonist, and having VARIOUS killers that are not stereotypes then it would be better.

For instance, why can't the token black guy be the killer? And he's found out in the middle of the movie because of inconsistent behaviour or something?
Why can't the killer be someone in plain sight (that's scummy as fuck and all), but he continues to survive because people think he's too scummy to be real?

Why aren't they more unpredictable like a real game of mafia?

Unless a movie/comic/manga/series does that, I wouldn't consider it "Mafia-esque" per se, and just a "whodunit?" ripoff with all the stereotypes that come from it


/rant

There's a DS game (visual novel really) called 999: Nine hours, nine persons, nine doors which is basically a game of mafia (though there is more going on than that). It is probably the closest thing I've encountered to an actual mafia game where you really have to pay attention and think. It doesn't follow the stereotypes you listed above. I highly recommend it, it's by the same team that did Ever17.
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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 25 2012 16:59 GMT
#85
On April 26 2012 01:24 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:48 gonzaw wrote:
I can't find any links to the actual Doubt manga, that link from the OP doesn't have it.

EDIT: It says "Update Status: [not available]"

Anyways, about movies that are "seemingly" like Mafia:

Meh. It's basically a "whodunit?", but I don't think they are that good.

Why? Because it's always the same deal:
  • There is a main protagonist that you know is CONFIRMED TOWN and can't be the killer
  • If there is a woman protagonist she isn't the killer either.
  • There is a VERY BAD MAN that is NEVER the killer and is just a misunderstood soul
  • There is a fragile/innocent/friendly/lovely best friend/boyfriend/child/old lady and that one is ALWAYS the killer
  • If that one isn't the killer, then the killer is a "weak" guy who got "killed" at some point (but you never saw the body) and then he appears at the end and reveals himself as the mastermind.


There is less suspense in those type of movies than the Teletubies, since you always know the end.

If they were more unpredictable, like having NO protagonist, and having VARIOUS killers that are not stereotypes then it would be better.

For instance, why can't the token black guy be the killer? And he's found out in the middle of the movie because of inconsistent behaviour or something?
Why can't the killer be someone in plain sight (that's scummy as fuck and all), but he continues to survive because people think he's too scummy to be real?

Why aren't they more unpredictable like a real game of mafia?

Unless a movie/comic/manga/series does that, I wouldn't consider it "Mafia-esque" per se, and just a "whodunit?" ripoff with all the stereotypes that come from it


/rant

There's a DS game (visual novel really) called 999: Nine hours, nine persons, nine doors which is basically a game of mafia (though there is more going on than that). It is probably the closest thing I've encountered to an actual mafia game where you really have to pay attention and think. It doesn't follow the stereotypes you listed above. I highly recommend it, it's by the same team that did Ever17.


I don't have DS, but I'll check some youtube videos or playthroughs of it thanks
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2012 17:00 GMT
#86
On April 26 2012 01:59 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 01:24 Foolishness wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:48 gonzaw wrote:
I can't find any links to the actual Doubt manga, that link from the OP doesn't have it.

EDIT: It says "Update Status: [not available]"

Anyways, about movies that are "seemingly" like Mafia:

Meh. It's basically a "whodunit?", but I don't think they are that good.

Why? Because it's always the same deal:
  • There is a main protagonist that you know is CONFIRMED TOWN and can't be the killer
  • If there is a woman protagonist she isn't the killer either.
  • There is a VERY BAD MAN that is NEVER the killer and is just a misunderstood soul
  • There is a fragile/innocent/friendly/lovely best friend/boyfriend/child/old lady and that one is ALWAYS the killer
  • If that one isn't the killer, then the killer is a "weak" guy who got "killed" at some point (but you never saw the body) and then he appears at the end and reveals himself as the mastermind.


There is less suspense in those type of movies than the Teletubies, since you always know the end.

If they were more unpredictable, like having NO protagonist, and having VARIOUS killers that are not stereotypes then it would be better.

For instance, why can't the token black guy be the killer? And he's found out in the middle of the movie because of inconsistent behaviour or something?
Why can't the killer be someone in plain sight (that's scummy as fuck and all), but he continues to survive because people think he's too scummy to be real?

Why aren't they more unpredictable like a real game of mafia?

Unless a movie/comic/manga/series does that, I wouldn't consider it "Mafia-esque" per se, and just a "whodunit?" ripoff with all the stereotypes that come from it


/rant

There's a DS game (visual novel really) called 999: Nine hours, nine persons, nine doors which is basically a game of mafia (though there is more going on than that). It is probably the closest thing I've encountered to an actual mafia game where you really have to pay attention and think. It doesn't follow the stereotypes you listed above. I highly recommend it, it's by the same team that did Ever17.


I don't have DS, but I'll check some youtube videos or playthroughs of it thanks

Emulators are your friend. Its worth playing blind.
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
April 25 2012 18:13 GMT
#87
Yeah 999 is amazing. As for movies, the Liar game movie is quite good and more in mafia style. It's also unique material separate from the manga.
Liquipedia
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 25 2012 18:36 GMT
#88
So, where can I read Doubt?
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I can't find any chapters or anything in that link from the OP
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
April 25 2012 20:27 GMT
#89
On April 26 2012 03:36 gonzaw wrote:
So, where can I read Doubt?
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I can't find any chapters or anything in that link from the OP


http://www.mangareader.net/1450-46376-1/doubt/chapter-1.html
I don't know, lynch me!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 25 2012 20:28 GMT
#90
^Kudos!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 25 2012 20:28 GMT
#91
Oh yeah, but I'm gonna read the new Walking Dead issue first so this will have to wait
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
April 25 2012 20:48 GMT
#92
Hype for the Liar Game Mini Mafia that will be posted in the next day or two!
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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
April 26 2012 03:13 GMT
#93
On April 26 2012 05:48 Incognito wrote:
Hype for the Liar Game Mini Mafia that will be posted in the next day or two!

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 26 2012 03:17 GMT
#94
I guess that means I have to read the whole Liar Game manga in 2 days then?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
April 26 2012 04:32 GMT
#95
Considering how good it is, you'd be hard pressed not to finish it in 1.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 26 2012 04:54 GMT
#96
Well, to be honest I'm more busy with that 999 thing.

It has "Escape the Room" puzzles...check
Has some awesome premise...check
Has lots to read and waste time...check
It's suspenseful as shit...check

Yeah I don't think I'll leave home in a while >_>

That game is awesome.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 26 2012 06:05 GMT
#97
On April 26 2012 13:54 gonzaw wrote:
Well, to be honest I'm more busy with that 999 thing.

It has "Escape the Room" puzzles...check
Has some awesome premise...check
Has lots to read and waste time...check
It's suspenseful as shit...check

Yeah I don't think I'll leave home in a while >_>

That game is awesome.


Just wait until you're tested by the final puzzle after your sixth play-through. :p
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 26 2012 06:08 GMT
#98
On April 25 2012 15:02 Node wrote:
Wooo bump! Was browsing old games for ideas and found this.

I gotta say, I was actually pretty disappointed by Doubt. At first, I thought it was gonna do something really interesting, and contextualize their friendship and life experiences through a game that inherently discourages trust, thus making each other question what their whole relationship is based on. (hey, some people probably take the game really seriously) Then they had to go and actually kill somebody, and the thing just Battle Royal'd its way to the inevitably twisty conclusion. Also, as far as the identity of the killer goes...

+ Show Spoiler +
I just asked myself at the beginning, "who makes the least sense as the wolf, aside from the protagonist?" and got it right. xD I was even all, "they're totally gonna pull a Saw at some point", though I didn't know how. Still don't know how it actually happened, aside from weeeooweeeooweeeoohypnotism. Plus, hypnotism is a damn lazy plot device. How else you gonna make the innocent girl do a complete 180? Gob forbid you actually give a character proper motivation and analyze-able behavior. rabble rabble rabble


However, after just a chapter, I'm definitely liking Liar Game a lot more. It seems to be a closer to what I thought Doubt would be.

liar game is literally the only manga i ever enjoyed. I absolutely love that manga.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 26 2012 06:09 GMT
#99
OH SHIT THERES GONNA BE A LIAR GAME MAFIA!!?!?!?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 26 2012 07:23 GMT
#100
Omg, I'm just reading the 1st chapter from the Liar Game and there's so much WIFOM in there to keep 100 scum happy.
I guess it gets worse than that then?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 26 2012 08:07 GMT
#101
Omg that bald small laywer guy is like textbook scum.

The moment I saw him I knew he was scum, I knew it.

Lynch him...
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 26 2012 18:59 GMT
#102
Okay this Liar Game thing is the shit


But how are you guys going to make it into a mafia game? Make a "Minority Lynch" or something? lol
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
April 27 2012 02:45 GMT
#103
It's themed so we leave all that juicyness to when we actually play the game
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#104
liar game is so good. like i said, only manga i ever really liked. but making it into a mafia game is gonna be super interesting.

You could make votes anonymous, so you PM them to host or something, and you can say you're voting for someone but PM someone else etc, in order to keep minority lynch
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 04:31:02
April 27 2012 04:19 GMT
#105
But in the Liar Game you are supposedely on your own and you need to trick people so you can win alone.

In Mafia you have factions, and if you "lose" individually doesn't matter at all if your faction wins..


...unless we are all 3rd party and have to win on our own >_>

<_<
>_>


Well, Incognito better put some great scenarios and mechanics and shit in there then


EDIT: But OMG is the main protagonist stupid/gullible/susceptible.



+ Show Spoiler [About that "Bowling" chapter] +


  1. So, the she-male tells the japanese chick that each of them will give the other one 5 votes...

    So, when the deadline is over and both have to vote, the chick goes to the she-male, tells him to write down his votes in front of her (and she does in front of him) to corroborate everything is going according to plan, and both put the vote inside the box at the same time so they know they will get 5 votes each 100%, right?

    ...oh wait no the chick did it all herself first and didn't know what the she-male did /facepalm

  2. Okay, she has an option to redeem herself with that "Joker/DoubleSided" card thing.

    So, since the probabilities of getting the Joker right are obviously lower than the other one, I guess she will insist on picking the Double-sided card as her own, right?

    ...oh wait the she-male chooses the Joker for her, she plays along with it and loses horribly /facepalm


    Seriously, I'm not expecting her to make those complicated "I'll make 3 groups of 8 with me in each of them and tell each group about a plan that would be flawless if there weren't any other groups like it, but I won't tell them about it so I'll win in the end" schemes, but at least don't fall for the obvious stuff >_>

    Also I don't see how she didn't smack that "lawyer" in the face as soon as he visited her.

johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 27 2012 04:21 GMT
#106
On April 27 2012 13:19 gonzaw wrote:
But in the Liar Game you are supposedely on your own and you need to trick people so you can win alone.

In Mafia you have factions, and if you "lose" individually doesn't matter at all if your faction wins..


...unless we are all 3rd party and have to win on our own >_>

<_<
>_>


Well, Incognito better put some great scenarios and mechanics and shit in there then


that would be sick, only 3rd parties
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 05:01:37
April 27 2012 04:32 GMT
#107
Hey johnny, let's make an alliance in that game then okay?

I'll try and fulfill your win condition and you try to fulfill mine, and we help each other!
Sounds good?


(oh and this isn't a scam or anything like it, I swear >_> )


EDIT: I heard there is a TV series and some film about the Liar Game.

Did anybody watch them? Are they good?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 27 2012 06:10 GMT
#108
havent watched that, but i doubt itll be as good.

and of course we'll ally...hehheeheh.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 09:20:27
April 27 2012 06:22 GMT
#109
Okay johnny, remember to sell me your vote each Day cycle, and I will save you each Night, okay?
If you get killed at night, scum most likely double-stacked you, it won't have anything to do with me >_>
Come on! You have like 99% chance to win! It's a foolproof plan.
I didn't think this "game" would be this easy, pffff. If you follow my plan we will win this in no-time, you have my word.


EDIT: I wonder if one can use some of those games in parties and shit.

The contraband one seems pretty cool. Maybe if monopoly money is used instead one could make a party out of it or something.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 18:49:51
April 28 2012 03:14 GMT
#110
Wait, I just realized something.

.......is the Liar Game....Yuhioh?

Blond guy-Yugi
Japanese chick-Tea (or one of the dumwitted "friends")
Yokozo(sp? or the weird asian dude)-Kaiba
The characters are almost the same >_>

Also, remember how in Yugioh these kind of scenario happen?:

Opponent- You will lose! I will use [Bullshit Card #1] and doom you!
Yugi- You've fallen into my trap! I was waiting for you to use that the whole game since the start. Now I'll use [Bullshit Trap Card #1] to win
Opponent- Hahahaha! I knew you would do that. That's why 100000 turns ago I created a plan to counteract that by using [Bullshit Magic Card #23]. Now I'll win because [Bullshit reason]. You lost! Haha
Yugi- *turns his head to the ground so you can't see his eyes in a defeated manner, but then slighly smiles*
Opponent- OH NO, Y U SMILE!?
Yugi- Remember 1000 hours ago when I did [Stupid Bullshit Thing]? I did that anticipating this very thing you were going to do. Now I win because [Stupid Bullshit reason created just for the show]
Opponent- NOOOOO

Like, it's basically the same thing in the Liar Games too >_>
Not that I have problems with it, the setups and challenges are more interesting, and everybody loves a good complex plan that mindfucks everybody....but lol it's the same as yugioh


EDIT: If I had a penny for everytime "foolproof plan" was uttered, then I'd have enough money to buy the whole LGT

EDIT: Oh yeah, add "fatal mistake" to that as well.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
April 28 2012 19:41 GMT
#111
On April 26 2012 13:32 slOosh wrote:
Considering how good it is, you'd be hard pressed not to finish it in 1.


Done. Got linked yesterday evening, started reading at night at about 3 AM my time, couldn't stop, fell asleep at 11 AM since I was getting too tired, woke up at 6 PM, read the last few chapters in one hour or so.

Total time w/ sleep ~18h, total time spent reading 10-12h-ish. Totally worth it. :D
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
April 28 2012 19:52 GMT
#112
On April 27 2012 13:32 gonzaw wrote:
EDIT: I heard there is a TV series and some film about the Liar Game.

Did anybody watch them? Are they good?

Yes the series and movies are really good. I've seen them all (even watched a few games a second time). Personally I've only read bits and pieces of the manga so I cannot give a very accurate impressions but from what Ver says the manga is better. It's still worth it to watch though.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 29 2012 05:54 GMT
#113
Oh right...

But it's all in japanese though >_> (maybe there are subs somewhere or something)

Anyways, just read the whole manga......so when will they release new chapters?
Cause now I really want to continue the story >_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 29 2012 06:07 GMT
#114
Well, started reading Doubt now that I finished the LG >_>


+ Show Spoiler [Spoiler, but from like the 2nd chapter…] +




WWTTFFFFFF!!!??

The "game" just started and a handicapped little girl is crucified and left for dead!!?


...wat


Also there are a lot of girls that look the same and some dudes I don't know the name of >_>


But holy hell.....





Wait



Hey! Isn't that cheating? In that case scum would have killed on Night 0.
But the game starts in Day 1 with the lynch!!!


That guy broke the rules, he should go to the ban list

zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
April 29 2012 06:12 GMT
#115
On April 29 2012 14:54 gonzaw wrote:
Oh right...

But it's all in japanese though >_> (maybe there are subs somewhere or something)

Anyways, just read the whole manga......so when will they release new chapters?
Cause now I really want to continue the story >_>


The manga is on a break right now I think. The author said that he would take 2-3 weeks or so to do some research and stuff... though its been about a month yet no updates =(

gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 29 2012 06:15 GMT
#116
Well, I guess it may be difficult to not only come up with those strange games, but also with those complex plans and shit.

I love how the "guys with masks" or whatever are such dorks.
Like, everytime someone does anything they are all "Oh no! How did he figure that out! Impossible!" then the other tells him "No you stupid, it's simple" then the other one says "Oh right" and it's repeated every time a "plan" is mentioned.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
April 29 2012 06:21 GMT
#117
Man according to the mangafox forums its going on another hiatus....

Hopefully the hiatus doesnt take a year again ._.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 29 2012 06:37 GMT
#118
I guess we'll have to imagine our own stories then

My idea is that the teacher from chapter 1 is the mastermind of all this game and it's revealed in the last second.
Then the fatty that won the 4th round wins the game and kills the mastermind (he throws him off a cliff), and then Akishyama and Yokora play the 24-bullet russian roulette, but with real bullets.
Yeah then Fukunaha hooks up with that Hitoshiro old dude and live forever happy in a Tibettian monastery.

The end.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 21:45:02
April 29 2012 21:44 GMT
#119
Okay, finished Doubt

+ Show Spoiler [Spoilers duh!] +


So, the little girl was behind everything...


...so did she revive or something? I mean, she had a FUCKING STAKE GOING THROUGH HER HEART!!
Like wtf?


Also, thank god it wasn't a guy that had those hypnotic powers...since we know what a guy would do with those >_>




Also, Doubt has a sequel apparently, I thought you guys would have known about it by now >_>

It's called Judge, here it is:

http://www.mangareader.net/1449-46375-1/judge/chapter-1.html
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
April 30 2012 06:44 GMT
#120
On April 30 2012 06:44 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, finished Doubt

+ Show Spoiler [Spoilers duh!] +


So, the little girl was behind everything...


...so did she revive or something? I mean, she had a FUCKING STAKE GOING THROUGH HER HEART!!
Like wtf?


Also, thank god it wasn't a guy that had those hypnotic powers...since we know what a guy would do with those >_>



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Something something something hypnotism. It's a really convenient plot device.
whole lies with a half smile
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 30 2012 06:56 GMT
#121
On April 30 2012 15:44 Node wrote:
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On April 30 2012 06:44 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, finished Doubt

+ Show Spoiler [Spoilers duh!] +


So, the little girl was behind everything...


...so did she revive or something? I mean, she had a FUCKING STAKE GOING THROUGH HER HEART!!
Like wtf?


Also, thank god it wasn't a guy that had those hypnotic powers...since we know what a guy would do with those >_>



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Something something something hypnotism. It's a really convenient plot device.



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They should have ended saying that in the end, Hajime was the one that was behind it all, and he threatened Rei into using hypnotism to control those guys to kill everybody.

Then it's revealed that the one behind everything was Eiji, and he had used a dummy to "fake" his death, and he controlled Hajime with nanobots planted in his brain, so he used Hajime as a proxy to tell Rei to use hypnotism to control that chick into killing everybody

However, then it's revealed that Haruka was behind it all too. She seduced Eiji into making that whole plan above, and if he succeded she'd be his whore. She faked her death with a dummy too.

However, then it's revealed that Mishiku (sp?) was behind that as well. She is good friends with Haruka so she told her to convince Eiji to do that, and in that case Mishiku would pay her college with his father's money

However, then it's revealed that Yuu was behind it. He told Mishiku to do the above so he could teach his friends the true value of trust.

So Yuu told Mishiku to convince Haruka to seduce Eiji into planting nanobots into Hajime's brain to threaten Rei into using hypnotism to control Mishiku into killing (or attempting to) everybody.

So in the end everybody was alive and all deaths were fake!!
Except that bald guy, fuck him.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 05 2012 05:08 GMT
#122
Okay, I finished the Liar Game, Doubt, Judge (or at least the chapters that are already out), so now I'm going to play that 999 hours person thingy game

There's something that unsettled me about that game though:


+ Show Spoiler [Spoiler dude!] +


No! The blind guy died! I liked that guy..

...but wait.

He was killed in door #3. That means that at least 3 players with bracelets whose digit root was 3 had to open that door. Let's assume those are Snake+2 others.
So all 3 open the door, they throw Snake inside, and let him explode.
Apparently everybody acknowledges this too after it happens...


...are those people fucking stupid or what? They don't even try to find out which players could have killed him.

First of all, there can be at most 5 players going through a door. Assuming those five players are (4), (5), (6), (7) and (8), their total sum is 30.
If Snake is in one group, at most it can be (2), (5), (6), (7) and (8) which is 28.

Now, the only 2-digit numbers below 30 whose digital root is 3 are:
-21
-12

  • If it's 21, then the only possible combinations are (2)+[19] which are:
    1. (2)+(1)+(3)+(7)+(8)
    2. (2)+(1)+(4)+(6)+(8)
    3. (2)+(1)+(5)+(6)+(7)
    4. (2)+(3)+(4)+(5)+(7)
    5. (2)+(4)+(7)+(8)
    6. (2)+(5)+(6)+(8)

  • If it's 12, then the only possible combinations are (2)+[10] which are:
    1. (2)+(1)+(3)+(6)
    2. (2)+(1)+(4)+(5)
    3. (2)+(3)+(7)
    4. (2)+(4)+(6)



Now let's make a list of all of them:

(1)+(3)+(7)+(8)
(1)+(4)+(6)+(8)
(1)+(5)+(6)+(7)
(3)+(4)+(5)+(7)
(4)+(7)+(8)
(5)+(6)+(8)
(1)+(3)+(6)
(1)+(4)+(5)
(3)+(7)
(4)+(6)


Now, assuming his little sister didn't kill him, we are left with these:

(1)+(3)+(7)+(8)
(1)+(5)+(6)+(7)
(5)+(6)+(8)
(1)+(3)+(6)
(3)+(7)


If 2 people killed him:
      Santa and Seven killed him

If 3 people killed him:
      June is guaranteed to have killed him

If 4 people killed him:
      This seems ridiculous but Seven is guaranteed to have killed him

So either June is a killer, Seven is a killer, or Santa and Seven are the killers.
Since it's likely only 2 did it, then Santa and Seven are the killers.

These people come up with the combinations to enter each door in like 3 seconds (and it takes me like 2 minutes to figure it out >_> ), yet they can't even come up with these combinations ABOUT THE GUYS THAT MADE A FUCKING GUY EXPLODE!!!!

Anyways, I hope they all die for being stupid, let's see how this ends.


Oh wait, since we know our protagonist is a good guy, then no matter what Santa is GUARANTEED TO HAVE KILLED HIM.
If that June girl is good to, then Seven+Santa killed him too, then add Ace+Lotus or not.

So our "protagonist" could have already find a confirmed scum, yet he's too stupid to realize.

(oh yeah if in the end the guy died alone because the door was ajar or opened automatically I will fucking rage at them for making me waste all this time >_> )
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 07:17:29
May 05 2012 07:11 GMT
#123
+ Show Spoiler [Spoilers Again! Run!] +


lol everybody died

From before
Anyways, I hope they all die for being stupid, let's see how this ends.


Serves them right lol, should have listened to me




EDIT:

+ Show Spoiler [Spoilers, dun dun dun] +

Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Santa/Ace were actually faking their deaths and were the murderers.
I mean, Junpei checked Clover's pulse and she was dead, but he didn't check the other 2 pulses.

Considering how Santa was one of the guys that opened Snake's door most likely, then I'll guess he's the murderer faking his death.

If no....then why the fuck did they MAKE ME ANALYZE THE WHOLE DOOR THING!!! Arghh it better be worth it in another ending.



EDIT2:

+ Show Spoiler [FUCK YOU!!!] +

Really! Fuck you game! You don't even tell me who's the murderer or anything, everybody just dies and that's it.
Did I play so badly? *sigh*

Another ending I suppose
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 07 2012 02:32 GMT
#124
i've gotten 3 endings.. I'm gonna do the "semi" ending as gonzaw calls it next. really sick game, recommended
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#125
999 is one of the best games I have ever played and it is easily the best on the ds. takes so long to get the true ending.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 07 2012 04:07 GMT
#126
The world ends with you was probably my favorite game for DS, but this is a close second
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 08:24:43
May 07 2012 08:10 GMT
#127
AFTER WATCHING THE "SAFE" ENDING OF 999:


Hey johnny! Kudos! We predicted what had happened accurately! (at least the part revealed in this ending).


Also, I haven't seen the "true" ending, but here's my prediction:


+ Show Spoiler [999 SPOILERS] +
Zero is Santa. Santa's sister died in the Nonary game from 9 years ago. Santa was filled with rage and decided to track down who did it.
He contacted Seven and Seven told him about it, and told him Cradle Pharmaceuticals were behind that Nonary Game.

So Santa researched and found out Ace was the CEO of said company.
Santa planned his revenge then. He decided to make a new Nonary game to punish Ace for killing his sister.
So he took Ace, the people he knew (Seven), and people related to that Nonary game:
-Lotus since her daughters were part of it, maybe this story will be expanded upon later
-Snake since he played that Nonary game
-Clover for being Snake's sister
-9th man because as Ace said, 9th man and Ace were connected because of that Nonary game (and Santa found out about it).

....also Junpei/June were Santa's classmates on middle school. Remember that at one point June said "Maybe this whole thing has something to do with a classmates of ours".

Santa knew about them, and maybe some other thing between them happened (that obviously Junpei/June forgot) which made Santa put them in the game.

Then he started acting "dumb" and all "cool" and shit in the game, but he fully knew everything.



..I still don't know what the fuck that "telepathy" thing they mention every 10 minutes has to do with anything.


Also, Snake's arm was really fake? What the fuck? I thought it seemed pretty real when he showed his bracelet and shit


EDIT:

+ Show Spoiler [999 spoilers again] +
Well, now that I think about it Seven could be Zero too, he had motivation too (maybe he was traumatized about the CP making the Nonary game and wanted to stop them


I prefer the Santa one better though


gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 08 2012 08:05 GMT
#128
Finished it

+ Show Spoiler [Spoiler again] +


Wtf? Time travelling telepathy timeline branch fusion?


*mind explodes*

Damn, why didn't they let me at least have the "Santa is Zero" thing right

Also, this feels eerily similar to Doubt.

gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 08:35:02
May 08 2012 08:33 GMT
#129
Woot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Escape:_Virtue's_Last_Reward

Apparently 999 has a sequel.
If it's 10% as awesome as 999 then it will be totally worth it.


How come all the things in this thread have sequels yet none of you guys ever hear about them >_>


EDIT: Well fuck apparently it's for the 3DS not the common DS. Time to get yet another emulator *sigh*
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