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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On September 11 2013 20:29 Mocsta wrote: Spew = Inadvertently giving away information about who is or is not a member of your wolf or neutral team. This one makes sense now too. So that is like a scumslip? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 11 2013 20:30 Mocsta wrote: I must say; the post counter + vote tracker is pretty damn cool Though it sucks you *have* to type the correct player name, its nice that the counter works from post x to post y. Not really a problem tbh. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
I dont think so. Scumslip is when you slip about yourself I thought; or slip taht you have knowledge that town can not possess at that point in time. Only *hard* scum slip i can recall was in my first game of mafia. Corazon scumslipped. I think he said he was scum. Town treated it as a freudian slip, cos he was making a case on someone else. Never seen it actually happen again. ============ Spew in my interpretation is when you do a filter dive of a flipped player and build connections. So to me its "filter dive" | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
It is, for a couple reasons. (1) Some names are really hard to write, so the counter tracks it as 'error' & (2) I still like to see ##unvote; whereas the tracker does not require that. Obviously thats a personal preference thing (3) im not entirely sure if you can bold when quoting etc, cos not sure how the tracker scans for votes. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 11 2013 20:36 marvellosity wrote: The 100% most irritating thing is that the forum doesn't do nested quotes Yeah that is strange. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On September 11 2013 20:36 marvellosity wrote: The 100% most irritating thing is that the forum doesn't do nested quotes yeah, thats really annoying. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 11 2013 20:35 Mocsta wrote: It is, for a couple reasons. (1) Some names are really hard to write, so the counter tracks it as 'error' & (2) I still like to see ##unvote; whereas the tracker does not require that. Obviously thats a personal preference thing (3) im not entirely sure if you can bold when quoting etc, cos not sure how the tracker scans for votes. Yeah, but imho those are minor problems which you can easily work around. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On September 11 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote: I dont think so. Scumslip is when you slip about yourself I thought; or slip taht you have knowledge that town can not possess at that point in time. Only *hard* scum slip i can recall was in my first game of mafia. Corazon scumslipped. I think he said he was scum. Town treated it as a freudian slip, cos he was making a case on someone else. Never seen it actually happen again. ============ Spew in my interpretation is when you do a filter dive of a flipped player and build connections. So to me its "filter dive" People (blazinghands) that tell you scumslips don't exist are lying. They totally do. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
warning - mild wall-o-text is imminent One thing I have noticed recently is that there haven't been many good-quality, thorough post-game analyses going around (at least, as far as I've seen.) There are a couple of reasons I think post-game analyses are valuable to the community:
I know I enjoyed reading the post-game writeups for my first couple of newbies, and haven't really seen them so much since. Now I don't think we need to have one of these (Ver's XXX analysis) every game, or even one of these (Ace's postgame for Carnival Cruise). However, I think it would be nice to have at least something meaningful said about most games. + Show Spoiler + That being said, I would be interested in reading a 'sequel' to Ver's guide, targeted more at the current game setups (no PMs being the most obvious difference) and at the current player pool (since there's very little overlap). That would be a significant project though - for starters it would require a game of some interest to analyse, and players of both linguistic and gameplaying prowess to write it. Perhaps a collaboration between some veterans? I've been tempted to write-up some games myself in the past, but between inexperience at Mafia, lack of time and not knowing what to write I've backed out most of the time. I guess this is a request for comments. Do you think they are important at all? What would you like to see said in postgames? If you've written postgames in the past, what did you think was important to say? Do you have any advice for how to write them? Is it more difficult to write when you don't have anything nice to say about a game? Also, a particular point of interest of mine: do you think it makes a difference whether a host or an observer writes the analysis? In my experience (as a cohost, at least), knowing all of the alignments from the very start warps your view of the game, and perhaps gives you a little more personal attatchment to the game. Is it better, worse, or unimportant whether the analysis is given by a neutral observer, and whether or not they know the roles as they write the analysis? + Show Spoiler + I am aware of the Mafia podcasts which do cover some of the purpose of a post-game analysis - however, I think a written analysis does have a valuable place as well. ~Aqua P.S. debears was involved in the motivation for this post | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 11 2013 21:29 Koshi wrote: I feel like you need to have full information from the start & follow the game closely to make a good post game analysis? Don't think so, see Ver's analysis in Sicilian | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 11 2013 21:30 marvellosity wrote: Don't think so, see Ver's analysis in Sicilian Ver is Ver though. Like, if I would do it without full information I would miss so much... It would be much better if I had full information from start. Not sure though. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 11 2013 21:33 Koshi wrote: Ver is Ver though. Like, if I would do it without full information I would miss so much... It would be much better if I had full information from start. Not sure though. The issue with this is that you pick up on things because you know said things exist. Whereas in a real-time game with a lack of information, townies might often say/do things that are equally suspicious for some reason, but you're not focusing on them. It's super easy to point out all the scummy things someone's doing when you know they're scum already. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Just time is really the issue when you make a good analysis. That, and if you have a game like aperature 2, taking time to understand all the roles is a hassle | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On September 11 2013 20:43 DarthPunk wrote: People (blazinghands) that tell you scumslips don't exist are lying. They totally do. ye i remember that one time you caught me scumslipping oh no wait nvm | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On September 12 2013 04:34 Blazinghand wrote: ye i remember that one time you caught me scumslipping oh no wait nvm and all this time I thought every post of yours was a scumslip, no? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 11 2013 21:33 Koshi wrote: Ver is Ver though. Like, if I would do it without full information I would miss so much... It would be much better if I had full information from start. Not sure though. It's actually better if you dont have full information so you have to force yourself to think why people make the choices they do. In my analysis I try to write from a "what does and what should Player X know at this point in the game" mentality. Having full knowledge screws up my expectations sometimes because I don't realize Player X is thinking about something so outside my thought process. | ||
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