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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:17 DarthThienAn wrote: unvote ##Vote: chaoser Someone, quick summary of what chaoser is being lynched? Good question man. I wanted to lynch midser or zeks personally, but nobody reacted to my post. Not even the people I named, beyond having midseer ask "why" to then fall silent again. Sigh... | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, BrownBear, LaXerCannon) 7] chaoser (DarthThienAn, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, lakrismamma, citi.zen) 7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme, Amber[LighT], chaoser, Pandain) 3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~) 1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler) Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, rastaban) not voting: everyone voted! double lynch: (1/15) iNfuNdiBuLuM day ends in under 5 1/2 hours here's to hoping this count is finally right! | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:28 DarthThienAn wrote: BM, based on this and my vote being the only one since, shouldn't it be 8 6 5 or something like that? I don't even know XD (that's chaoser, me, Subversion) yeah, but i missed pandain's change to subversion | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Brownbear: 3 votes Darth: 7 Subversion: 6 Chaoser: 7 Abstain:3 Amberlight: 1 With one unvoted(Infunblahblahblah) | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 22 2010 02:22 BrownBear wrote: DarthThienAn is playing this game as though he were Chezinu... which is not the way DarthThienAn plays at all. I think Pyrrhuloxia (why does everyone in this game have impossible to spell names) has the best explanation, and says things I was thinking on my own - Darth is playing as though he were Village Idiot, and for some reason that's given him Teflon armor against suspicion for the most part - there have been scattered people saying "Hey, wait a minute" but nobody's really listening, everyone is obsessed over Chaoser/Subversion/me. As far as those 3... I know I am green, but you guys are going to have to decide whether you believe me or not. Subversion's "mistake" isn't even a mistake at all, and you guys all jumped in and tried to create something out of it - not really the direction town should be going in. Chaoser I still find slightly suspicious, but he's been pretty willing to post and to defend himself - as long as he clarifies a few of his contradictions, I'd be okay with not lynching him. He might be a good target for rolecheck tonight, though. I dunno. For now, ##Unvote Abstain ##Vote: DarthThienAn Because he is the most suspicious, I think abstaining should only be used as a placeholder, and we're running out of time in this day. Plus, his death will give us at least some information, which is still better than the next-to-no information we would get from lynching subversion, chaoser, or me. BB has pretty much convinced me he is town and I agree with his sentiments here, Darth’s play style just doesn’t make sense. Why play like this when you can actually benefit the town The crazy voting doesn’t make sense either, and all the actions so far have been at best neutral, with very little if any pro-town actions. The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content. It is easy to camouflage your mafia playstyle when you change everything so it is harder to find clues in how you play. Also we know vote analysis is critical but we have Darth stating “Most of my votes have been for fun.” I am not positive on this call but I think he is a far better candidate than Chaoser who has had better arguments in his defense, and at this point in time it is too late for any other votes to have much of an impact. ##Unvote Abstain ##Vote: DarthThienAn | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: An infundibulum (Latin for funnel; plural, infundibula) is a funnel-shape cavity or organ. I sure love Infundibulum Cakes at the fair. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:35 rastaban wrote: BB has pretty much convinced me he is town and I agree with his sentiments here, Darth’s play style just doesn’t make sense. Why play like this when you can actually benefit the town The crazy voting doesn’t make sense either, and all the actions so far have been at best neutral, with very little if any pro-town actions. The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content. It is easy to camouflage your mafia playstyle when you change everything so it is harder to find clues in how you play. Also we know vote analysis is critical but we have Darth stating “Most of my votes have been for fun.” I am not positive on this call but I think he is a far better candidate than Chaoser who has had better arguments in his defense, and at this point in time it is too late for any other votes to have much of an impact. ##Unvote Abstain ##Vote: DarthThienAn "day ends in under 5 1/2 hours" How is that too late? How does my play style not make sense? If you look at all of my posts collectively, you'll realize that I have actually said a decent amount. Nothing compared of my previous games, but contrast it to Subversion, who hardly said anything until like 18 hours ago. I don't even know what the deal with chaoser is, but Day 1, he was one of those last minute voters, iirc., and Day 2, he mostly made lists, which help the town by organizing information, but does not actually offer any insight. Nothing against him though, since I haven't read the recent posts. Think of it this way: do any of those actions "make sense" if I'm mafia? Why would I attract attention to myself so unnecessarily, and then not defend myself if I'm actually lurking? "The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content." I did have content. Has anyone bothered to look through my posts? And I personally don't use vote analysis too heavily -> most of my votes have been for fun. My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:17 DarthThienAn wrote: unvote ##Vote: chaoser Someone, quick summary of what chaoser is being lynched? Why would you vote for Chaoser if you didn't even know what he was being lynched for ? :o On July 22 2010 07:40 DarthThienAn wrote: My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games. Doesn't really help that statement :/ | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 22 2010 06:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: @youngminii, formatting his posts into spoilers + Show Spoiler + Cool! You gave a whole bunch of Information Instead of Analysis![badtownplay] Oh hey guys, here's a bunch of stuff that was said about/by DTA and since I quoted it, you should trust me in that it points to him being mafia![/badtownplay] I analyzed that his idea to maximize deaths was weird, that he was either sarcastically being evil, or just advocating that we lynch for info rather than finding info to decide a lynch, which I find to be backwards. Also in there, I compare his play to past games, which is more analysis than just information. And I pointed out that nearly all of his posts were clowning around, which is unhelpful. There's plenty of other analysis in there, the line between information and analysis is gray area anyway but I clearly crossed it. + Show Spoiler + So you're saying someone that is as good as DTA (you're all making him out to be quite good, I'm not too sure how good he is), is bad enough to completely swap their playing style after their original style worked bar one or two mistakes? You really think he'd go from one extreme to the other as scum to 'avoid' suspicion? That's like the total opposite of what would happen (case in point: it's happening right now). Well, he obviously has switched things up, and good players tend to base their opinion about whether something works on whether they can win with it. + Show Spoiler + Oh yeah, intuition is awesome. We should always rely on our intuition to win us this game of analysis. I mean, clearly your intuition was correct about Foolishness being blue/red. Again, you're saying just because DTA is taking a low profile that he's scum. You can't just say "he's playing different, scum!" WHY does playing different make him scum, WHY does playing the total extreme of the way he played before make him scum. What about real life issues? What about the fact that he would be responding to these accusations if he really was mafia and was simply lurking? Well I was wrong about Foolishness, but you can contrast the fact that only I and maybe DTA seemed suspicious of him while DTA has been ringing alarm bells for many more people. I'm not "saying just because DTA is taking a low profile he's scum". In fact, you're clearly twisting my words at this point to defend DTA, because I specifically rebutted that claim in the but, but, but... section. + Show Spoiler + Cause and effect. Just because Foolishness was pointing at DTA doesn't mean that it's why he died. I mean, it COULD be but the way you're selling it is as if it's the absolute truth. Totality of the circumstances. None of us have the absolute truth, so we have to find the players with the sketchiest correlations. For me, that's DTA, rather than BB or Sub. The case versus Chaoser strikes me as better than BB and Sub, but not DTA. + Show Spoiler + That's just complete bullshit. I don't even know how the fuck you had the balls to come up with that list that completely condemns DTA and criticizes his play. You're assuming he's some horrible player and basing his scum play based on this assumption, when the general consensus is that DTA is a good player. 1. I pointed out numerous times when DTA responded to criticism with jokes. 2. The biggest exception is when he responded to Foolishness. But in that post he lumped together Foolishness's posts under the heading of "useless like mine" [not direct quote] when Foolishness was honestly trying to discuss the implications of the voting. 3. He's apparently finally going to respond to this stuff now that his life is on the line, but up till now Day 2 he has been content to pick out the worst arguments against him and joke about them. 4. As for "not contributing anything new and useful" he has frequently admitted as such. His post about Sub was maybe useful, but said four times already. 5. His vote changing certainly isn't bullshit, just check the list. 6. He has pretended to be mafia or suggested he might be in at least three posts. 7. I think that sums up his behavior this game until his post that finally responds to all this. 8. I haven't played with him, but have looked over previous games containing him and players in this game who've played with him before have felt the same. So, yeah, it's not complete bullshit. That list is not even 1/8 bullshit. + Show Spoiler + But hey, I don't mind if you lynch him. As you guys have said, he hasn't been very helpful this game. I mean hell, if he's blue/green it only buys me credibility which is needed for the late game. You don't get to say that you don't mind if he dies and then get credibility from defending him. I can't imagine why you'd give such a wishy-washy conclusion unless you are worried he might turn red and make you look bad. My day 1 plan is not weird at all. I just phrased it funny. If you are against the no-lynch plan, then you are FOR my plan. lynching a modkill is the same as a no-lynch. That's the short version anyway. So why are we trying to NOT use our only town KP (other than blue roles)? I'm saying we lynched based on info to GET info, vs. lynching someone who would be "lynched" anyway. Also, why would I stick to a "crazy" plan when I could have dismissed it as a joke, like several people suggested? I never said I was a good player. Everyone assumes I'm a good player because of the one game where I played Mafia Mayor. citi.zen knows how bad I am because he was the only decent player on the mafia team (sorry bumatlarge). But let's assume I'm good. If I'm mafia, why would I purposely attract attention to myself? Why would I not just post normally, and play maybe a little differently than before? Instead I'm playing the same on one end, and exactly opposite on the other end. Just because my playstyle has been a little different, this does not mean that I am mafia or not mafia. It just means that my playstyle has been a little different. And if you really look, it's pretty much the same when I'm serious. I'm just being not serious a lot more often. Bottom line: this is not a valid reason for or against anything about me, so stop trying to use it. I didn't think Foolishness was mafia o.o. I just didn't like the fact that he was gunning for me. 1. I pointed out numerous times when DTA responded to criticism with jokes. 2. The biggest exception is when he responded to Foolishness. But in that post he lumped together Foolishness's posts under the heading of "useless like mine" [not direct quote] when Foolishness was honestly trying to discuss the implications of the voting. 3. He's apparently finally going to respond to this stuff now that his life is on the line, but up till now Day 2 he has been content to pick out the worst arguments against him and joke about them. 4. As for "not contributing anything new and useful" he has frequently admitted as such. His post about Sub was maybe useful, but said four times already. 5. His vote changing certainly isn't bullshit, just check the list. 6. He has pretended to be mafia or suggested he might be in at least three posts. 7. I think that sums up his behavior this game until his post that finally responds to all this. 8. I haven't played with him, but have looked over previous games containing him and players in this game who've played with him before have felt the same. 1. I only responded to criticism with jokes when it was criticism about my jokes. 2. Are you referring to this post? I'm not saying he's at fault for doing that, I'm saying he's at fault for doing only that. Alone, that is just his interpretation of one of the above posts but whoever was doing the vote summaries. 3. What arguments against me? Until the recent pages, there haven't been all that many if I recall correctly. If there were any that were REALLY worth replying to seriously, I would have already done so. 4. If it was said four times, then why didn't the person asking for clarification already understand it? 5. It's a bull reason to lynch me, though. My voting changing says nothing about my suspicions about who's mafia and who's not mafia. 6. so? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:44 Pandain wrote: Also, since as of now theres basically a 3 way tie between Darth, Subversion, And Chaoser, what happens if theres a tie. Do they all get lynched? None of them? First person to the 7 gets lynched, that means DTA I think | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
1. You must post your vote in this thread. Do not PM or IM it to me. 2. You must clearly declare your vote ie: 'I vote for X'. "vote: name" whatever. bold it. 3. You can not autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon. 4. You cannot vote for yourself or anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins over the other person. 6. You may abstain, but must let me know: ie: 'I abstain from voting'. 7. If you vote for double lynch you must vote for a player, or already be voting for a player, or you will automatically abstain. | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:44 Pandain wrote: Also, since as of now theres basically a 3 way tie between Darth, Subversion, And Chaoser, what happens if theres a tie. Do they all get lynched? None of them? 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins over the other person. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:44 Pandain wrote: Also, since as of now theres basically a 3 way tie between Darth, Subversion, And Chaoser, what happens if theres a tie. Do they all get lynched? None of them? whoever has the most votes first gets lynched. On July 22 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: Why would you vote for Chaoser if you didn't even know what he was being lynched for ? :o Doesn't really help that statement :/ Simple logic for ANY role. I don't want to die -_-. ? I'm addressing my vote-changing that everyone seems to be dying over. My current vote is for obvious reasons. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: Why would you vote for Chaoser if you didn't even know what he was being lynched for ? :o Doesn't really help that statement :/ Well he has to vote for Chaoser to save himself, anyone would do that. --- Everyone's last vote is serious, the problem with voting like DTA is that we can't know in advance that it's his last vote. We can't ever get too suspicious about his voting patterns because he can be joking. And if his joke vote causes a bandwagon onto someone, he can just keep it there and say he was serious all along. And if someone investigates afterward, they'll focus on the people arguing for the lynch not the guy who is just joking around. Unless someone points out what's going on and how it makes the towns life harder; then he'll have to start acting more normal like he has. | ||
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