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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 21:53:59
July 21 2010 21:52 GMT
#921
vote count:

7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, BrownBear, LaXerCannon)
6] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme, Amber[LighT], chaoser)
6] chaoser (pandain, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, lakrismamma)
4] Brownbear (Rastaban, Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler)
1] zeks (citi.zen)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum)


(1/15) double lynch

iNfuNdiBuLuM
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 21:55 GMT
#922
I would like to address me not having chaoser's vote. in the following post he bolded 55 words, and used the word "vote" or "unvote" 28 times.

sorry for missing it, but make it clearer next time. i would prefer you to put it in the opening or ending of your post. if you're going to put it in the middle, please make it easier to see (like don't bold half the post and include the word vote every 5th word)
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 13:01 chaoser wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote:
Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12?

So far the votes have been

Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59
DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59
tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03
DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34
d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50
Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15
bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59
~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01
rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59
Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18
Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02
Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57
bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25
DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30

NEW VOTES:

chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02
BrownBear abstains at 6:52
Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53
Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20
youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32
chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25
LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27
SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19
chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34

hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me

##vote Subversion

End result:
BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode)
Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser)
DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea)
abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon)

People yet to vote:
xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles

University of Kentucky Basketball #1
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 21 2010 21:56 GMT
#923
##Unvote BrownBear
##Vote Abstain


I forgot to bold them and it looks like they didn't get picked up so just reposting them. Work is almost done, real vote and more content then.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 21 2010 21:57 GMT
#924
@youngminii, formatting his posts into spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
Cool! You gave a whole bunch of Information Instead of Analysis![badtownplay] Oh hey guys, here's a bunch of stuff that was said about/by DTA and since I quoted it, you should trust me in that it points to him being mafia![/badtownplay]


I analyzed that his idea to maximize deaths was weird, that he was either sarcastically being evil, or just advocating that we lynch for info rather than finding info to decide a lynch, which I find to be backwards. Also in there, I compare his play to past games, which is more analysis than just information. And I pointed out that nearly all of his posts were clowning around, which is unhelpful. There's plenty of other analysis in there, the line between information and analysis is gray area anyway but I clearly crossed it.

+ Show Spoiler +
So you're saying someone that is as good as DTA (you're all making him out to be quite good, I'm not too sure how good he is), is bad enough to completely swap their playing style after their original style worked bar one or two mistakes? You really think he'd go from one extreme to the other as scum to 'avoid' suspicion? That's like the total opposite of what would happen (case in point: it's happening right now).


Well, he obviously has switched things up, and good players tend to base their opinion about whether something works on whether they can win with it.

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh yeah, intuition is awesome. We should always rely on our intuition to win us this game of analysis. I mean, clearly your intuition was correct about Foolishness being blue/red. Again, you're saying just because DTA is taking a low profile that he's scum. You can't just say "he's playing different, scum!" WHY does playing different make him scum, WHY does playing the total extreme of the way he played before make him scum. What about real life issues? What about the fact that he would be responding to these accusations if he really was mafia and was simply lurking?

Well I was wrong about Foolishness, but you can contrast the fact that only I and maybe DTA seemed suspicious of him while DTA has been ringing alarm bells for many more people. I'm not "saying just because DTA is taking a low profile he's scum". In fact, you're clearly twisting my words at this point to defend DTA, because I specifically rebutted that claim in the but, but, but... section.

+ Show Spoiler +
Cause and effect. Just because Foolishness was pointing at DTA doesn't mean that it's why he died. I mean, it COULD be but the way you're selling it is as if it's the absolute truth.

Totality of the circumstances. None of us have the absolute truth, so we have to find the players with the sketchiest correlations. For me, that's DTA, rather than BB or Sub. The case versus Chaoser strikes me as better than BB and Sub, but not DTA.

+ Show Spoiler +
That's just complete bullshit. I don't even know how the fuck you had the balls to come up with that list that completely condemns DTA and criticizes his play. You're assuming he's some horrible player and basing his scum play based on this assumption, when the general consensus is that DTA is a good player.

1. I pointed out numerous times when DTA responded to criticism with jokes. 2. The biggest exception is when he responded to Foolishness. But in that post he lumped together Foolishness's posts under the heading of "useless like mine" [not direct quote] when Foolishness was honestly trying to discuss the implications of the voting.
3. He's apparently finally going to respond to this stuff now that his life is on the line, but up till now Day 2 he has been content to pick out the worst arguments against him and joke about them.
4. As for "not contributing anything new and useful" he has frequently admitted as such. His post about Sub was maybe useful, but said four times already.
5. His vote changing certainly isn't bullshit, just check the list.
6. He has pretended to be mafia or suggested he might be in at least three posts.
7. I think that sums up his behavior this game until his post that finally responds to all this.
8. I haven't played with him, but have looked over previous games containing him and players in this game who've played with him before have felt the same.

So, yeah, it's not complete bullshit. That list is not even 1/8 bullshit.

+ Show Spoiler +
But hey, I don't mind if you lynch him. As you guys have said, he hasn't been very helpful this game. I mean hell, if he's blue/green it only buys me credibility which is needed for the late game.

You don't get to say that you don't mind if he dies and then get credibility from defending him. I can't imagine why you'd give such a wishy-washy conclusion unless you are worried he might turn red and make you look bad.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 21 2010 21:57 GMT
#925
On July 22 2010 06:55 Bill Murray wrote:
I would like to address me not having chaoser's vote. in the following post he bolded 55 words, and used the word "vote" or "unvote" 28 times.

sorry for missing it, but make it clearer next time. i would prefer you to put it in the opening or ending of your post. if you're going to put it in the middle, please make it easier to see (like don't bold half the post and include the word vote every 5th word)
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 13:01 chaoser wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote:
Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12?

So far the votes have been

Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59
DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59
tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03
DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34
d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50
Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15
bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59
~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01
rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59
Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18
Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02
Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57
bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25
DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30

NEW VOTES:

chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02
BrownBear abstains at 6:52
Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53
Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20
youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32
chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25
LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27
SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19
chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34

hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me

##vote Subversion

End result:
BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode)
Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser)
DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea)
abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon)

People yet to vote:
xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles



yeah sorry about that, will do next time
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 21 2010 21:57 GMT
#926
So I'd rather chaoser get lynched rather than DTA. Come on people, only a few hours left!
lalala
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 21:58 GMT
#927
6 hours and 1 minute left
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 21 2010 21:59 GMT
#928
I don't even see the point of arguing with you pyrr, and no shit I'm worried it'll make me look bad if he flips red.
lalala
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 22:02 GMT
#929
vote count:
7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, BrownBear, LaXerCannon)
6] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme, Amber[LighT], chaoser)
6] chaoser (pandain, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, lakrismamma)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler)
1] zeks (citi.zen)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, rastaban)


not voting:
everyone voted!

double lynch:

(1/15)
iNfuNdiBuLuM

University of Kentucky Basketball #1
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 21 2010 22:05 GMT
#930
BTW, posting/reading this thread while listening to the Inception soundtrack is legit. You guys should all try it.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 22:08 GMT
#931
+ Show Spoiler +
that movie rules
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
July 21 2010 22:11 GMT
#932
On July 22 2010 07:02 Bill Murray wrote:
vote count:
Show nested quote +
7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, BrownBear, LaXerCannon)
6] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme, Amber[LighT], chaoser)
6] chaoser (pandain, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, lakrismamma)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler)
1] zeks (citi.zen)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, rastaban)


not voting:
Show nested quote +
everyone voted!

double lynch:
Show nested quote +

(1/15)
Show nested quote +
iNfuNdiBuLuM



citi.zen changed his vote to chaoser so its 7-7-6
I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 22:26:12
July 21 2010 22:12 GMT
#933
Approved by Bill Murray!

See below for the post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561&currentpage=47#939
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 21 2010 22:13 GMT
#934
On July 22 2010 07:08 Bill Murray wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
that movie rules

I wish I had friends so I could go see it . Going to movies alone is almost as depressing as going to restaurants alone.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 22:13 GMT
#935
vote count:
7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, BrownBear, LaXerCannon)
7] chaoser (pandain, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, lakrismamma, citi.zen)
6] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme, Amber[LighT], chaoser)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, rastaban)


not voting:
everyone voted!

double lynch:

(1/15)
iNfuNdiBuLuM


day ends in under 6 hourrs
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 22:13 GMT
#936
On July 22 2010 07:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 07:08 Bill Murray wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
that movie rules

I wish I had friends so I could go see it . Going to movies alone is almost as depressing as going to restaurants alone.

hey, at least when you go to restaurants alone, they bring you your food REALLY quick lol.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 21 2010 22:17 GMT
#937
unvote
##Vote: chaoser


Someone, quick summary of what chaoser is being lynched?
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 21 2010 22:18 GMT
#938
I hope you guys will not simply ignore a blue claim. At least discuss it!
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 21 2010 22:19 GMT
#939
Since the last post had really poor formatting and I can't edit.

Pyrr's post

+ Show Spoiler +


So my computer overheated and my reply got deleted. >> Normally it gets saved, but too much turning on and off I guess. So I'm going to write a shorter version.


First off, anyone who thinks all of the words in that post are Pyrr's is sadly mistaken. Half of it has been said before - hence his calling it a "story." I'm looking at you Subversion.

Main points:

My playstyle: Yeah, my playstyle is different. What's the big deal? Most of you are basing this on flamewheel's last game anyway. How can you define someone's playstyle by one game, just because I was mafia mayor? Not to mention that BrownBear's account of that game is wrong. I didn't overstep on the last day. We were already done that night, when onihunter had been lynched, and bumatlarge was going to be checked that night and we had no way to stop it. We COULD have tried to persuade the town that DCLXVI was full of crap but none of us were really up to it, or at least, I know I wasn't. Playing mafia in a thirty player newbie game and being as active as I was is way too tiring. But anyway, I like how no one ever brings up my play in Caller's game where I was last townie, or any other game. Plus, "Chezinu-style" (not that I'm even doing that) is not necessarily scummy. Look at TMMM - he and BM were town but still spammed. so maybe it doesn't help the town, but that's exactly the argument that Ace, YellowInk, and I used to get him lynched while we were mafia.

Wifom: a lot of the arguments against me are wifom. I'm sure you know that. But for those who don't, here are examples of wifom: "Darth is mafia because he claimed mafia and he's using double reverse psychology." "Darth is mafia because mafia hit Foolishness and not him." "Darth is mafia because mafia would think that he is blue and thus hit him." etc. etc. If anyone needs an explanation, ask for it, but hopefully, those of you currently voting for me will see it.

Scattered Voting: Who was it that said a bandwagon doesn't have be started by a vote, just posting? It's pretty much the same thing. Most of my votes have been for fun. You'll notice that people like d3 get to slip by with voting, posting, and leaving, but me? Nah I get called out and bandwagoned.

Day 1 I'm pretty sure I went something like abstain > d3 > d3 > amber. I don't recall abstaining a second time. And Amber was a legitimate vote. d3 was not (semi-placeholder). I'm sure since you've analyzed me so carefully, you'll see this.

Divinek vote was purely lols. BrownBear is for obvious reasons - did you see his veteran plan? Add that to his day 1 behavior and he makes a pretty good early vote for today. When I switched to Subversion, did I really make a sarcastic joke? I remember being pretty serious around there, and I definitely explained myself. It basically came down to BB, I'd like to watch for another day, vs. Subversion who wasn't even defending himself/posting at that time. Of course he comes in later and cries townie and everyone leaves him alone.

My crazy voting is in no way an indication of my role. Stop trying to make it what it isn't. Again, why would I attract attention by doing that, when those "bandwagon" attempts didn't even get a SECOND vote?

Down to your main points and Foolishness:

Explain to me how I dodged Foolishness by turning it back on him? I made several posts that included logical reasons explaining myself, and as an AFTER THOUGHT, I called him out on it as well. He was calling me out for not contributing when I was contributing as much as he was - is it illogical for me to call him out on that? If someone's going to call me out for contribution, I prefer it be someone who has actually contributed.

1) Where do I ever defend myself without logic? As a whole, of course, not ONE post in a conversation.
2) Uh, I'm pretty sure I offered a lot more than that one post where I counterattacked Foolishness. And I've explained this.
3) Who are you all to tell me how to play? I'm still helping the town, aren't I? If my way of having fun is posting silly stuff in between, then what's wrong with that?
4) This is a point? Plus, if I was really mafia spamming, I'd make my spam posts much longer and make them appear to have content to waste more of the town's time, rather than posting things that most people dismiss.
5) This is a point, too? Vote changing != mafia. Most of votes up til now have been jokes anyway.
6) Completely wifom. You know this, so why include it?
7) Thanks.
8) Not when my computer time has decreased to ... 10% of what it used to be. I've been on vacation since halfway through Godfather Mafia. Several of you should know this (maybe not you Pyrr, but still). Hence, less from me.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 22:21 GMT
#940
+ Show Spoiler +
So my computer overheated and my reply got deleted. >> Normally it gets saved, but too much turning on and off I guess. So I'm going to write a shorter version.


First off, anyone who thinks all of the words in that post are Pyrr's is sadly mistaken. Half of it has been said before - hence his calling it a "story." I'm looking at you Subversion.

Main points:

My playstyle: Yeah, my playstyle is different. What's the big deal? Most of you are basing this on flamewheel's last game anyway. How can you define someone's playstyle by one game, just because I was mafia mayor? Not to mention that BrownBear's account of that game is wrong. I didn't overstep on the last day. We were already done that night, when onihunter had been lynched, and bumatlarge was going to be checked that night and we had no way to stop it. We COULD have tried to persuade the town that DCLXVI was full of crap but none of us were really up to it, or at least, I know I wasn't. Playing mafia in a thirty player newbie game and being as active as I was is way too tiring. But anyway, I like how no one ever brings up my play in Caller's game where I was last townie, or any other game. Plus, "Chezinu-style" (not that I'm even doing that) is not necessarily scummy. Look at TMMM - he and BM were town but still spammed. so maybe it doesn't help the town, but that's exactly the argument that Ace, YellowInk, and I used to get him lynched while we were mafia.

Wifom: a lot of the arguments against me are wifom. I'm sure you know that. But for those who don't, here are examples of wifom: "Darth is mafia because he claimed mafia and he's using double reverse psychology." "Darth is mafia because mafia hit Foolishness and not him." "Darth is mafia because mafia would think that he is blue and thus hit him." etc. etc. If anyone needs an explanation, ask for it, but hopefully, those of you currently voting for me will see it.

Scattered Voting: Who was it that said a bandwagon doesn't have be started by a vote, just posting? It's pretty much the same thing. Most of my votes have been for fun. You'll notice that people like d3 get to slip by with voting, posting, and leaving, but me? Nah I get called out and bandwagoned.

Day 1 I'm pretty sure I went something like abstain > d3 > d3 > amber. I don't recall abstaining a second time. And Amber was a legitimate vote. d3 was not (semi-placeholder). I'm sure since you've analyzed me so carefully, you'll see this.

Divinek vote was purely lols. BrownBear is for obvious reasons - did you see his veteran plan? Add that to his day 1 behavior and he makes a pretty good early vote for today. When I switched to Subversion, did I really make a sarcastic joke? I remember being pretty serious around there, and I definitely explained myself. It basically came down to BB, I'd like to watch for another day, vs. Subversion who wasn't even defending himself/posting at that time. Of course he comes in later and cries townie and everyone leaves him alone.

My crazy voting is in no way an indication of my role. Stop trying to make it what it isn't. Again, why would I attract attention by doing that, when those "bandwagon" attempts didn't even get a SECOND vote?

Down to your main points and Foolishness:

Explain to me how I dodged Foolishness by turning it back on him? I made several posts that included logical reasons explaining myself, and as an AFTER THOUGHT, I called him out on it as well. He was calling me out for not contributing when I was contributing as much as he was - is it illogical for me to call him out on that? If someone's going to call me out for contribution, I prefer it be someone who has actually contributed.

1) Where do I ever defend myself without logic? As a whole, of course, not ONE post in a conversation.
2) Uh, I'm pretty sure I offered a lot more than that one post where I counterattacked Foolishness. And I've explained this.
3) Who are you all to tell me how to play? I'm still helping the town, aren't I? If my way of having fun is posting silly stuff in between, then what's wrong with that?
4) This is a point? Plus, if I was really mafia spamming, I'd make my spam posts much longer and make them appear to have content to waste more of the town's time, rather than posting things that most people dismiss.
5) This is a point, too? Vote changing != mafia. Most of votes up til now have been jokes anyway.
6) Completely wifom. You know this, so why include it?
7) Thanks.
8) Not when my computer time has decreased to ... 10% of what it used to be. I've been on vacation since halfway through Godfather Mafia. Several of you should know this (maybe not you Pyrr, but still). Hence, less from me.


Permission granted to try to edit that mess, DTA. Here is a copy of DarthThienAn's contribution to that post in case anyone feels he is going to change vital parts of it, in which case he will be modkilled.
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