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On July 04 2010 16:58 BrownBear wrote: Also, Korynne is leaving wut? And Coroner. Motherfucker. I voted for myself as a placeholder just in case of an emergency where I can't reach my computer. I'm working 17 hour days at the moment, so it's a possibility. Let's get some discussion going. To start out, Divinek: bumatlarge gf? Bumatlarge: Leaving and throwing random vote on Chez? Wtf? Generic comments Excuse for not being here and lurking Summary of last couple posts Plz explain, BrownBear... Lack of reading, or scumminess? You have proven to me earlier that you don't read every post. On July 05 2010 06:05 citi.zen wrote: I never thought Korynne was red, but you supposedly did, so I am curious: why the change of mind? has your analysis of Korynne changed, or do you view Ace as so much better than Korynne that keeping him alive is worth the extra risk? I did not ever think Korynne was red 100%. I remember having a suspicion of her being the traitor. I thought you were the coroner, though, so what do I know. Also, in response to the tail end of your question, yes, I do believe Ace is a good enough player to keep around in case he will help the town. Here's to hopin' he doesn't rolecheck some millers like that one game. On July 05 2010 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Just sifting through most of this thread, like to point out a few minor things as a newcomer into this game. L Is far less active than normal Citi.zen is less active than normal BM has made a few really odd plays (even for him) Between YI/BM/Korynne(ace now) one is highly like to be traitor, or just three people who can't agree. Will do something more concrete after work tonight, or if I can manage to get a well thought out post before it. au contraire we all had the same chance to be traitor as anyone else. :p I have 0% chance now. I'm not sold on YellowInk, though he did disrupt the mason claim. Wanting to hear more from Ace, but if he's the traitor, ooo wee lee dewyze. On July 05 2010 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, after talking to DTA he needs to update his OP with how dream catchers work. If a blue is recruited/or dies the dream catcher gets a random role. His OP states that it is only if a blue is recruited. So if Lakris' death post is truthful (ie hes not traitor/gf), we have to hope that a) there is another coroner or B) that whatever dream catcher (if we have one) hit that magical 1 in 6 chance of getting coroner. As such, any plans thought of from this point on should just ignore the possibilities of a coroner for now. Bleh what a fucked situation to walk into. I'd rather have a hatter or another detective personally. I would even take a roleblocker, jailkeeper, or Veteran over it. Coroner wouldn't be terrible, and it would help a LOT, but we can monitor the mafia's numbers via their KP. Even if they "withhold" a hit to mask their KP from us that is a benefit to us. On July 05 2010 08:11 Divinek wrote: ya you got me so pegged bro when i flip red im going to congratulate you on your excellent detective work What's funny is in this game, you might not be red now, but you can be later, and he might temporarily gloat about it if we notice mafia's KP going down.... or if we have another coroner! On July 05 2010 08:17 youngminii wrote: Do you still think Zeks is scum? Zeks is mason. There's like a 99% chance he is. There's absolutely no way the masons wouldn't have counterclaimed if Zeks wasn't mason. This has been argued a thousand times already. Now assuming Zeks is mason, which is 100% reasonable, the second mason can freely claim without fear of persecution because he has the ONE ONE KEY TO RULE THEM ALL. I can tell you why they wouldn't counterclaim. Perhaps they're a blue role. duh. He said he rolled on who was masons from the deck with the roles. Couldn't they be both blue roles and masons? Then it wouldn't help to just get the traitor or a goon if zeks is a goon. I'm not saying he's the Godfather, but this gambit wouldn't hurt scum if it's a goon or traitor necessarily. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote: Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly. Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process. TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|. On July 05 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote: Chez is right, BM your argument has massive flaws. 1. It has already been reasonably assumed that there are 2 masons by extrapolating the words of Darth. 2. What's wrong with using a key and a website? That's probably the most efficient way on encryption/decryption. 3. Why are you even blaming Chez? Is there some sort of meta I don't know about? 4. With all the confusion (some of which that was made by you, BM), I'm not surprised that Zeks posted the key on D2. Do you realise how hard it was for us to even decide who to roleblock? 5. Even an incompetent retard would know well enough to counter-claim. 6. The chances of having 2 inactive masons is astronomically low. 7. YellowInk, you and Divinek are running around in circles drowned in WIFOM and causing confusion. There is no need to cause so much confusion. Accept the fact that Zeks is mason and move on. Your posts and YellowInk's posts seem genuinely townie and confused. Divinek's posts seem scummy and they don't seem confused, they seem to be aimed at creating confusion. Hence, vote Divinek  1. Not as reasonable as you think if they can be both blue and mason... he probably is. 2. I hadn't heard of this until Chez, so I felt like he was the likely culprit. 3. see above^ 4. I don't believe I caused ANY confusion. Why slinging mud on me? My play has been squeaky clean. There shouldn't be a decision on who to roleblock. The roleblocker has a brain. 5. Like I've said, there would be instances where it wouldn't be smart to out yourself. 6. You must not have played on teamliquid before... quick day/night cycles bro 7. Give reference to this absurd claim, or shove it. + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2010 08:53 Chezinu wrote: !!!! I think I cracked zek's code! On July 05 2010 08:54 zeks wrote: what the fuck are you serious This whole spiel makes me suspicious as fuck of them being scum buddies. Zeks is inactive until chez tells him to post basically..... On July 05 2010 14:35 BrownBear wrote: I think BM is correct, but I also think that we're now entering the stage where the really really good players are going to start being recruited. Now that mafia has a couple players (and remember the GF can only recruit 5), the GF is probably going to want to add the best scum players possible. Take Ace, for example. Especially after his how-to-play-scum thread, I would be very surprised if the GF does not recruit him soon. We should probably take necessary precautions, unless Korynne was recruited already and he inherited that. Korynne was pushing a plan that would help scum in my eyes. Scum's power is to take away our blues and to gain KP. I like your post, and I agree that they will start recruiting the better players (if they haven't already) On July 05 2010 14:40 BrownBear wrote: On the flip side, what GF in their right mind would recruit Abenson? In normal games he's a liability for town, but in a recruitment game he might actually be an asset. yea.. it's the kinda WIFOM you can drown in. I'm drunk feelin'. On July 05 2010 14:52 youngminii wrote: Okay I just want to once again, strongly suggest that each and everyone of you go back and look over Divinek's posts. I'm sure you'll find his posts extremely scummy (at least starting Day 2). Now lynching Abenson is a policy lynch and I actually wouldn't mind if you guys chose to default to that, but I honestly believe there is a strong likelihood that Divinek is scum and that we should lynch him. We should stop dawdling around and actually start scumhunting. My scumdar was set off by Divinek and just because he says "lol im gonna laugh at u so hard when u find out im townie" does not mean he is a townie. In fact, that is one of the worst defenses you came come up with whether you are townie or scum. bingo. i agree with you. i also feel that way about bumatlarge. even if i'm arguing with you about zeks, minii, i believe you're town. not 100%, but pretty sure. going to get a player list and put my likely town down for now Player List: 1. Chezinu - Mild FoS. Tough to read. I read a power role. Detective perhaps. 2. BrownBear - Possibly a blue role. Possibly red. Definite power role imo. Blue/Red 3. YellowInk - Likely vanilla role from my perspective. Townie/Traitor/Goon 4. zeks - greenmason/red Mild FoS. Would like to see if he's actually a mason. 5. BloodyC0bbler - green/red TheGilaBoy struck me as townie, but possibly got recruited 6. Divinek - His play has been scummy, but he may not be scum. Goon/Townie 7. Bill Murray - green/red (i'm town now, but even I can be recruited later) 8. citi.zen - blue/red 9. L - blue/red 10. DCLXVI - no idea 11. Hesmyrr - green/blue 12. youngminii - green/blue 13. bumatlarge - green/red 14. Ace - townie/traitor 15. Abenson - blue/red 16. AcrossFiveJulys - blue/red 17. rastaban - green/red | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:26 BrownBear wrote: Job as a camp counselor. Working from 7 AM to 11 or midnight most days. Sometimes I just don't have the time to read everything, so I skim what doesn't look important. Sorry. Also, neither blue nor red. Green. eh, noone's perfect | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:27 youngminii wrote: Okay I can't really reference it but by confusion I mean all the arguments about Zeks and all the WIFOM going around etc. Which means I'm guilty of it too. Cool. But yeah since we have no one better to lynch (barring inactive policy lynching), gogo Divinek. divinek to me could just be the village idiot bumatlarge is much likelier scum in my eyes | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:28 youngminii wrote: Myeh I'm not seeing how Korynne's plan will totally benefit scum. I say this with absolutely no confidence. ok. say we roleblock and jail player A. player A is town. Scum kill 1 in the night, recruit one, kp raises to 2 player A lives we roleblock and jail player A. player A is town. Scum get blocked on their kill in the night, due to a number of potential reasons, recruit one, kp raises to 2 player A dies even if someone was jailed or if theres a rogue roleblocker.... doesnt seem fun for them we roleblock and jail player a. player a is town. scum forgo their kill, recruit in the night, kp raises to 2, guide our lynch, and we lynch player a for them so they get their night kill back while taking away our chance of even lynching the godfather at all 1/16 chance we chain-roleblock and jail the godfather, in which case i don't think it will even affect their killpower at all as it seems to me that goons and godfather are seperated i'm a poker player i like better odds than that furthermore, if we actually DO find a goon, and drag the game on... We have 16 players. We can be sure there are 2 mafia, 1 Godfather, and 1 Traitor in all likelihood. This makes it 12 vs 4 and already relatively imbalanced for them. Today: We mislynch. 11 vs 4 with 2 goons & 1 kp Tonight: mafia kill someone and recruit someone else. Tomorrow: 9 vs 5 with 3 goons & 2kp After Tomorrow Night: 6 vs 5 with 4 goons & 2kp. LyLo Fuck that plan, it lets them play the cards. It will enable them to gain KP For such a large theme game, they can REALLY hit their win condition fast. I'm not saying we didn't have a 5% chance of offing the GF and having 1 mafia, but then it'd be 5% followed by 5.26% which is slim to nil imo. We could use that 20th player slot we lost due to that browney kid not playing. 16 players left i think.. | ||
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if we roleblock a town, and they forgo a kill: player a is roleblocked, player a is town. mafia forgo their kill. People cry "this person is mafia!" the same they would is he was actually mafia, as the scum didn't send in a kill and essentially use their kill the next day and get more recruitment furthermore, if we roleblock a scum: player a is roleblocked. player a is scum with KP (12.5% likely.. assuming gf roleblock just blocks recruitment and not KP... i don't like 12.5% odds... I don't draw on gutshots often.) they don't kill someone in the night. People cry "this person is mafia!" the same they would if mafia didn't send in a kill on purpose. The fact that we roleblocked a goon doesn't mean they won't go up to 2 kp so it would be 11 v 4 (Counting GF and Traitor) assuming it's a goon and we lynch them say we roleblock another goon the next day... 13.3333% likely.... we lynch them... 10v4 still on the 3rd day even in the best case scenarios we lose numbers and they don't really lose numbers. I feel like this plan is continuously risking drawing out on the 6 or 7% that it takes to find the needle in the haystack. I'd much rather play it out straight forward than to muddy the waters this way. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:46 youngminii wrote: Okay I almost failed my first year maths course so I'm just going to trust what you say. I don't understand why in your scenario the same person is being roleblocked and jailed. More than once too. Don't think it'll make a difference in that the plan is flawed. Well I didn't want to use the plan for multiple nights anyway, and did Korynne say why she wasn't going to be on? I don't remember seeing any "replace me, gotta go for a few days" posts by her. if you don't roleblock and jail them, they can be recruited, and it makes the whole argument invalid. you'd then have a "confirmed" recruited person which is risky business, tom cruise. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Oh? I must have missed the common consensus of that agreement + I am seeing at least one person vehemently opposed to it. I will try to think of a better and more optimal plan if we must have one, but her idea is rocky at best in this setup. Combine in that if a roleblocker is recruited they become a mafia roleblocker, it is a rough role to rely on. Our best plan is a jailed detective doing safechecks, or people double jailing each other and preventing mafia kp on each other imo | ||
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I do not see any other way for us to win. If we roleclaim, the godfather has to either claim a blue role or a townie he will likely claim veteran or townie, in fact. hatter would be his safest claim in most setups in my opinion, but not in this one. in this one, hatter kinda wants to blow up quicker if he wants the town to win, so his "safest" claim is veteran. | ||
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We can't have a safehouse for our DT? Who says? With claims we can! If L is a jailkeeper and BC is a DT we can have BC staying on L's couch checkin up on the internet to see if YellowInk is money laundering. We could have a "veteran" claimer roleblocked if we have more than one vet claim! IMAGINE the POSSIBILITIES. Hatter putting bombs on "townies"? np. Veterans claiming Jailkeeper? NP NP. Dreamcatchers claiming when they get a role such as jailkeeper and detective? amazing. P.S. if you're the coroner say you're the traitor and laugh while linking to an article about Christopher Walken dancing on Broadway Claiming definitely pressures the Godfather through making him claim something he isn't. It would make him lie to exist, or lurk. Either one of them could potentially be dissected as scummy play. By pressuring him, we can kill him, and by killing him, we can eliminate that stupid ass recruitment factor. You have to cut the head off of the snake for it to quit growing in this sense. Roleclaiming in a limited factor, with certain roles still hiding (coroner, for instance), would possibly benefit the town through finding the godfather via a dt being kept alive or through having him make a mistake via the pressure. Roleclaiming will be more like actually fighting a war, using maelstrom and storm, as opposed to playing Russian Roulette. This is a GAME. It is meant to be FUN. Let's have fun and roleclaim together :p | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: IT could work except that you have to prove the DT before it works. You could theoretically have 4 people claim dt, and would basically have to choose who to believe to jail. A mass roleclaim can potentially lure people out, or put them in a hot spot to be caught, but without a coroner we are still screwed. (or we get really lucky lynch and notice mafia KP isn't rising). we might have 4 dts though lets hope none are paranoid or naive or whatever sucks | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok here is the jist of a general thought I have going. (this will hopefully defuse the use of a coroner for the most part.) All town aligned members claim their role on death in the way that lakris did. (note that GF, traitor and any mafia dead will lie) Now DT's this is important for you to note. Everytime someone claims, you mark it in your list. As it stands now, we can most likely agree that unless we got lucky last night we are sitting on 1 GF, 2 Mafia, 1 traitor. This is 4 anti town of our remaining 17, giving town aligned of 13. You know your own role. You also know the role of 1 other person to a 99%ish ratio. That means out of 17 players remaining, you now have a list of 15 to check, 14 after todays lynch. After every check you make a mark on your list of whos blue/green and red. Keep this in mind as people die and Claim a role, add it into your spreadsheet under a seperate column. If we have a coroner and you get lucky, a fair bit of your list will be filled accurately, then you can a) reveal what information you have which the town can then act on b) more accurately pin down red/gf I will now try to figure out some way to confirm a DT + keep them jail locked. I would hope that one mason is also somehow a DT as that would make life simpler. we have 17? i thought we had 16. One dude got MKed. I also don't think they could check night 1. other than that this is good advice and practice. thanks for the advice on using DT BC. | ||
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You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, " | ||
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