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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 29 2010 20:40 GMT
#61
ebwop:

I think Miller should be able to shoot. Which means if we have player-Miller (I'm assuming they don't know who they are) who shoots and checks out SCUM, he's innocent. But I doubt this situation will ever arise, except maybe if the cop checks miller first night, as the cop should never check anyone that shoots, unless they are confirming their sanity, because it's useless and will always show Innocent, unless they are Miller
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 29 2010 20:48 GMT
#62
Question: The rules say no PMs, is there any way to enforce that or is it honor system?
Remember Violet.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 29 2010 20:48 GMT
#63
Also, I think role claiming is very tricky.

You have 13 pro town people who have no information about who is on their side.
You have 4 mafia members who know each other can could use the role claiming to confuse the town. (I don't think they will claim anything other than townie, maybe watcher or doctor.)

Then you have the others...
Serial killer would probably claim anything but mafia since their vulnerability is at day.
Bomber man... dude probably want to stay alive to activate an epic bomb.

Everyone would claim vanilla townies. Maybe the not-townies would claim doctor since they can't shoot and their ability is hard to be exposed except by cop.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
May 29 2010 20:54 GMT
#64
I only did it as Darth did and I didn't feel it gives too much away.

I could be lying as mafia, lying as town but with a different role looking to hide that fact or being honest as plain vanilla townie.

But for the record throughout this game I will be claiming Vanilla townie, and if i change from that at all I ought to be shot. No "I only claimed this in order to X" bullshit.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
May 29 2010 20:56 GMT
#65
TwoTone I think the enforcing relies on anyone who is PM'd by a person that is to do with the game then it is up to them to be honest and rat out the PM'er.
Adonai bless
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
May 29 2010 21:04 GMT
#66
game still not started and is alredy interesting XD
In my opinion role claiming is really risky..personally i think i will suspect everyone that will role claim:|
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 29 2010 21:14 GMT
#67
On May 30 2010 05:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Question: The rules say no PMs, is there any way to enforce that or is it honor system?


I've seen a few well known players talking on a program about a game with no PMs. Not going to name any names or anything, but it's something that can't really be enforced 100%. You can't really stop people from using another program to talk if they're going to, but I am against anything that compromises the integrity of the game as the host wants it run. Though it isn't fair, it's how it is.
Best to just ignore it at all. It's not as bad as steroids in baseball or anything.

Hope you all have a fun game
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 29 2010 21:53 GMT
#68
On May 30 2010 05:33 DarthThienAn wrote:
yoosefull fakt: Only Vanilla Town and Scum Godfather are able to day kill. Both show up innocent to alignment checks. So the Godfather is veryyy problematic. No rolecops this game either. There is no positive way to catch the godfather, minus the good ol' deduction and analysis (or luck).




This is why we need to take it slower than the other day kill game that ran on TL. We have to get people to post, or else we have absolutely no way of finding the GF. Blazing through the days gives us no information.

I'm not saying no one should shoot, just that we need some discussion of who the best targets are before we start gunning. In the last game basically all the active players got shot while the mafialurkers just waited it out.


the cop should never check anyone that shoots, unless they are confirming their sanity, because it's useless and will always show Innocent, unless they are Miller


This is actually a decent idea. Every cop is going to have to check his sanity somehow, although millers could prolong a cop being sure of his sanity.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
May 29 2010 22:16 GMT
#69
What are peoples thoughts on watcher claiming? I am personally in favour, mafia only have 1KP which means the medic can permanently protect the watcher and it means we can be organised from the very first night.

The Godfather then is the only one who could kill the watcher but in doing so he would have to give himself away.

Serial Killers complicate things slightly, but then the only way the watcher would die is if 1 of the serial killers happens to try to kill him, and the mafia put a hit on the watcher as a gamble hoping the serial killers do.

I propose that night 1 the Watcher comes forward anyway, there are arguments for not doing so, although the pro's outweigh the cons imo. Oh and if Watcher catches a red on night 1 then obviously claim but I assume that would be a given.

It's a shame PM's arnt allowed because then the watcher could claim and everyone could roleclaim to him safely.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
May 29 2010 22:18 GMT
#70
I have missread the roles, we have a cop as well so potentially two people who could roleclaim early and have medic prot. In which case I'd suggest ignoring the above and only claiming once you find a red player, which goes for Cop or Watcher.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
May 29 2010 22:20 GMT
#71
I need to stop typing... there is sane, insane paranoid or weak which apparently applies to the doctor as well. Anyone mind explaining how they work? i can understand "weak" for doctor but the others don't make much sense.
Adonai bless
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 29 2010 22:23 GMT
#72
@xelin, wiki is the bomb
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 29 2010 22:26 GMT
#73
hmm, above link is gets error...

http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki/The_Mafia_Game/Roles
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 29 2010 22:30 GMT
#74
Personally I think this game is going to be really hard for the town. 3 people dying a night, and potentially a bunch of people dying on some random night from the bomber.

4 deaths per full cycle = 5 days, unless we get some serial killers. Not cool =[. (this is really rough math, not trying too hard to lay out the entire situation at this point). Point is, Radfield's right in that we need to be very careful about what we do.

No one should ever claim their roles, unless they have something that could benefit the town. That's normal for any mafia game though. In this game, consider holding back until you have two potential targets.


---

I feel like town needs to be extremely lucky or good to win this setup -_-. damn, lol.
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XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
May 29 2010 22:34 GMT
#75
No it's ok it was just doubled, the no PM aspect of this seems somewhat unbalanced. There seems no way the Watcher or Cop can ever be comfortable enough that they will be protected to roleclaim and reveal reds. Say, in the best scenario, Doctor, Medic and Cop all have the ability to PM. In order to safely come out and claim the Watcher or Cop must be sure that they will be protected and yet the only way they can be sure is if the Doctor figures out their true role and manages to PM them. Which is in turn impossibly beyond guesswork because Cop//Watcher cannot claim untill they are safe (unless they gamble their life to kill a red).

I've written this haphazardly but if you can follow it, is this a fair assessment?

Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
May 29 2010 22:34 GMT
#76
*impossible, not impossibly
Adonai bless
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 29 2010 22:40 GMT
#77
So far, only a few had spoken. I really want to hear from the remaining >10 people.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 29 2010 22:42 GMT
#78
Just in case I'm not here in around 5 hours to post the game still starts. Remember we are starting at Night 0, so night roles will all be able to act.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 29 2010 22:57 GMT
#79
@Darth: There is only one 'serial killer' and one 'bomber'. But both are labeled as serial killers in the remaining players spot. So we actually only have 2 people dying per night. One from the mafia, and one from the SK.

Ace, please correct me if I'm wrong.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 29 2010 23:03 GMT
#80
Idea for shooting. Vote on who does it, and vote on who to shoot. It will be unofficial, of course.

Don't randomly shoot just because. Never ever do that.

Following this, I have an idea to help the cop figure out his sanity, but it might not be solid. Miller really messes things up.

Check someone who says he's vanilla town (ie me, BB, Xelin), and have that person be the one who shoots the next day.

Results -
Innocent & Shoots:
1) You're sane.
2) He's miller and you're insane. We could kill to confirm but I kind of don't like that.

Innocent & Doesn't Shoot:
- If we follow the plan this option shouldn't occur -
uhh, why didn't he shoot? Someone shoot him, or shoot the person who shot like we told them not to. Doesn't help the cop at all. BUT.
1) He's town and didn't shoot for some reason.
2) He's mafia/miller and you're insane.


Scum & Shoots:
1) You're paranoid and effectively role-less this game - a Vanilla Towny in the traditional sense. Forget about whatever comes next.
2) He's miller (here comes the reason why this isn't solid) and you're sane.
3) He's Godfather and you're insane.
4) He's town and you're insane.
There's really no way to distinguish between 2, 3, and 4 -_-.

Scum & Doesn't Shoot:
1) You're paranoid and effectively role-less this game - a Vanilla Towny in the traditional sense. Forget about whatever comes next.
2) He's mafia and you're sane. Town shoot him plz.
3) He's town/Godfather and you're insane, but why didn't he shoot? Shoot him if it's his fault.

Someone check if my logic works out. I'm not sure this plan is good. But maybe someone here can improve it somehow so I'm putting it out there.

In particular, cop, I don't mind if you check me out Night 0, and I can follow up by being the shooter the next day. Or we can replace me with whoever else doesn't mind doing this.

To review:

Plan: Vote on someone to be the shooter, and vote on someone to be the target. Cop checks the shooter to figure out his sanity.
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