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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 21 2010 17:29 GMT
#641
As it now stands, the only other person who voted for L except L himself is DarthThienAn.

DarthThienAn, can you explain why you vote for L?
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 17:30 GMT
#642
So I was sent this message day 1.



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With the key received today:

liubeigottahater

And I was asked to post it in the thread. The role is
I am Lu Xun. At night I can pick one person. Any night command that relates to that person's identity, should it be recruitment or investigation, will be nullified. However, neither I or the protected will know if the action was successful or not.

Now some of you may know who I'm talking about, and if he feels like claiming his role, he can do it. But I've just been asked to post it. And since I'm powerless, and he already knew my character if he needs a go between and doesn't feel like stepping forward, I'm fine with that.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
May 21 2010 17:34 GMT
#643
This game's pretty ballin'.

Yay Caller~
TL Mawfyah~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 17:36 GMT
#644
On May 22 2010 00:05 Radfield wrote:
Consider if the YT's had a role checker, they would never have to fear about recruiting a leader, because they would always check a player one night and recruit him the next. And if they DO find a leader, they can bandwagon him in the thread, because everyone is so gung ho about killing off leaders.

The more I think about it, the more I think we should let L live for now, and really focus on hunting the YT's. But I'll think on that some more first.

I still don't know about letting L live. That's one less person recruiting, and more people helping us. My friend Lu Xun says TriCode is full of shit btw, but that's all I know. I dunno if he jumped to protect/cancel L, or if his role works as medic or not. I dunno if that's the medic claim you've been looking for either. We haven't talked in a sec, and I'm trying to get some clarity.

But if he protected L he would of canceled the action (maybe L's too?). I'll try and find some more out in a little, but I got some things to do in a bit.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 21 2010 17:42 GMT
#645
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
I disagree, alignment/role checkers and Assassins would make excellent recruits. Sure they might decide to not help their leaders, but that goes for every role in the game.


No. Bodyguards roles and the such will not have a choice, as their abilities are passive.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Plus YT recruits will always play to their fullest given that they can't be swiped away.


Says who? I'm pretty sure a player can very well not give a damn if he didn't want to play for the YT for whatever reason he has.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
And remember that the leaders have the option of getting Caller to notify a new recruit. For instance, if I got a msg saying I was recruited to the green team, and then the green leader contacted me the same day, I'd be pretty damn sure that I'm on the green team. Given that all players likely have a role, it would be bad practice for leaders to not tell their members that they've been recruited. Also given that we're down to three factions(possibly two after today) there will be much less member swiping by the leaders. Which again makes it more likely for the leaders to tell people they've been recruited.


I never said it wasn't impossible to find out who recruited you. I'm just pointing out the risk factor that the leaders have to take if they wanted to tell the recruits he recruited them. This is just a hypothetical scenario, but god knows if Caller allow assassins to assassin their own leader.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Anyways, alignment/role checkers and assassins make excellent recruits, because as a faction leader you would be able to find and eliminate potential threats, and also find good roles to recruit.


No. They CAN be good recruits if the player wants to play for you, but for sure a good recruit, every single time? Definitely no.


靈魂交響曲
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 17:42 GMT
#646
On May 22 2010 02:18 Korynne wrote:
I wonder if Abenson revealing his role makes YT want to recruit him or not. xP

He probably kills YT if they try and recruit him actually...I would of hit anyone who tried to recruit me and it would of taken one of the night lives of a leader. (I assumed leader's had extra night lives because of this, before LR posted)
But I dunno. Probably a secondary feature of his role. Also, whoever killed Diao Chan probably is/was neutral, because I don't recall many posts from the person with that role. But that may just be because I'm lazy right now.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2010 17:42 GMT
#647
This is getting interesting ^_^
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 17:44 GMT
#648
On May 22 2010 02:42 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
I disagree, alignment/role checkers and Assassins would make excellent recruits. Sure they might decide to not help their leaders, but that goes for every role in the game.


No. Bodyguards roles and the such will not have a choice, as their abilities are passive.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Plus YT recruits will always play to their fullest given that they can't be swiped away.


Says who? I'm pretty sure a player can very well not give a damn if he didn't want to play for the YT for whatever reason he has.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
And remember that the leaders have the option of getting Caller to notify a new recruit. For instance, if I got a msg saying I was recruited to the green team, and then the green leader contacted me the same day, I'd be pretty damn sure that I'm on the green team. Given that all players likely have a role, it would be bad practice for leaders to not tell their members that they've been recruited. Also given that we're down to three factions(possibly two after today) there will be much less member swiping by the leaders. Which again makes it more likely for the leaders to tell people they've been recruited.


I never said it wasn't impossible to find out who recruited you. I'm just pointing out the risk factor that the leaders have to take if they wanted to tell the recruits he recruited them. This is just a hypothetical scenario, but god knows if Caller allow assassins to assassin their own leader.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Anyways, alignment/role checkers and assassins make excellent recruits, because as a faction leader you would be able to find and eliminate potential threats, and also find good roles to recruit.


No. They CAN be good recruits if the player wants to play for you, but for sure a good recruit, every single time? Definitely no.




Well if we are all playing to win...And our win conditions change...Then I suppose we would play for whomever recruited us then.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 21 2010 17:46 GMT
#649
I have a question. Is Lynching an absolute kill in Mafia? Can a medic protect against the lynch. If so, then it would be damn hard to kill a leader with medic protecting him every turn.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 17:47 GMT
#650
Oh wait. If Lu Xun protected L, L wouldn't know he had medic protection...Or took a hit. And he couldn't of been investigated. And Lu Xun wouldn't know if his role worked. So therefore Tricode and L would both be full of shit....

So I guess I gotta find out what he did last night...Lol.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 21 2010 17:48 GMT
#651
Wait, so I was visited by like 4 people last night? What the fuck is this.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 17:49 GMT
#652
On May 22 2010 02:46 LunarDestiny wrote:
I have a question. Is Lynching an absolute kill in Mafia? Can a medic protect against the lynch. If so, then it would be damn hard to kill a leader with medic protecting him every turn.

Generally yes. Some roles can save someone from getting lynched. It's generally how ever the host designs a role...And this is a Caller game (no where near normal mafia), so we should expect the unexpected to the extreme. Lol. Caller games are generally crazy as hell.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 17:51 GMT
#653
On May 22 2010 02:48 L wrote:
Wait, so I was visited by like 4 people last night? What the fuck is this.

I don't know if Lu Xun visited you or not. He just said Tricode is full of shit. But if Lu Xun DID visit you, you are full of shit too.

@_@

Confusing. Odd you would get so many visits, I guess because BC has been so damn quiet this game...
Anyone else notice that?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 17:52 GMT
#654
EBWOP:

BC being quiet in a game PM's are allowed in. Maybe it makes a little more sense then.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 21 2010 17:57 GMT
#655
On May 22 2010 02:51 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 02:48 L wrote:
Wait, so I was visited by like 4 people last night? What the fuck is this.

I don't know if Lu Xun visited you or not. He just said Tricode is full of shit. But if Lu Xun DID visit you, you are full of shit too.

@_@

Confusing. Odd you would get so many visits, I guess because BC has been so damn quiet this game...
Anyone else notice that?

Re-read Lu Xun's role, please :3.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 21 2010 18:01 GMT
#656
Aight, seeing as roleclaiming does not really put you at that much danger of getting bumped off in the night (heh heh), I'm going to go ahead and say why I think Tricode is telling the truth and L is a faction leader.

I am still a neutral - no faction affiliation as of yet. My current plan this game (until I get recruited, if that happens) is to aim for faction leaders and try to kill them all as fast as possible to get a neutral victory. I have nightkill powers.

...you can probably see where this is heading. I had my suspicions about L, because of the following:

Inactive for most of the day (although he says he always votes late...). After Tricode posts enough to clear himself off the "hey let's lynch the inactives" list, L questions BM's logic:

On May 20 2010 05:24 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 05:19 Bill Murray wrote:
tricode: pretty much cleared yourself off the lynch list right there. good job.

You realized he made a big post to say "I've been inactive, but I'm also going to be inactive in the future" and you're taking that as a sign that he's active?

... ok.


Um... BM said he wasn't going to be lynched on Day 1. If you didn't notice, the Day 1 lynch was really just a "hey, so people who post and probably want to play are going to live, we're going to lynch the people who don't try to be active" sort of thing? It was honestly more or less pure luck we got Cao Cao day 1, Last Romantic just happened to be an inactive AND a faction leader. This sounds to me like you are worried you're still on the lynch list, and you want that list to be as long as possible so you have as big a chance of surviving as possible.

Pushes for killing LunarDestiny at the end of the day, which Radfield ignores (turns out very wisely).

So so far he hasn't been scummy, per se, but he also hasn't been exactly agreeing with the general hivemind consensus. Instead of going for daykilling completely inactive people, he's trying to push more towards daykilling lurkers and the like - as in, people who will contribute later to the game. That's more telling than anything - if a faction leader can make it to late game, when all the actives have long since started killing each other off, if it's just him, 1 or 2 actives, and a bunch of inactives, his chances of winning just skyrocketed.

After LastRomantic dies, he posts this gem, which actually gives me a ton of information:

On May 20 2010 11:56 Last Romantic wrote:
Huh? There was no 'playing' to do, I just got offed Oo; I don't see what I was supposed to do differently

edit: also, I thought I took two hits to kill? I'm quite confused.



So now I know that faction leaders have two night lives. As stated before, I have a night kill. I figure "Well, there isn't that much else to go on, so I might as well test this out."

I tried to night kill L last night. It did not go through.

So now, I know one of two things - either L is a faction leader, or L is another role that somehow happens to have 2 night lives. I think the second option is unlikely because with 4 faction leaders in the game, that's already 4 people with veteran powers, and having more would make it kind of insane, and make nightkills very underpowered. Thus, I'm going to say Tricode is actually telling the truth, and L is a faction leader and should be daykilled. So, I have thrown my armies behind Tricode, let's see how it works out.

(PS Tricode... please be telling the truth man )
SUNSFANNED
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 18:04 GMT
#657
" I am Lu Xun. At night I can pick one person. Any night command that relates to that person's identity, should it be recruitment or investigation, will be nullified. However, neither I or the protected will know if the action was successful or not."

I guess you have a point....Maybe it wouldn't stop vigi/medic, BUTTTTTTT I dunno...The word protected is kind of throwing me off.

Also Caller has a habit of telling DT's the answer to their question as soon as he gets it. Don't forget that...(Not that I would ever accuse Caller of such grievous actions, but I got the answers in red army two instantly...Lol)

So good point...BUT L, that's only if he visited you. =P
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 21 2010 18:05 GMT
#658
Ahh snap, I just read the shit about Lu Xun... was posted while I was writing that.

Well then.

So if Lu Xun wants to roleclaim, then I guess Tricode is full of shit? I'm a little confused. Is Opz Lu Xun?
SUNSFANNED
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 21 2010 18:06 GMT
#659
On May 22 2010 03:01 BrownBear wrote:
Aight, seeing as roleclaiming does not really put you at that much danger of getting bumped off in the night (heh heh), I'm going to go ahead and say why I think Tricode is telling the truth and L is a faction leader.

I am still a neutral - no faction affiliation as of yet. My current plan this game (until I get recruited, if that happens) is to aim for faction leaders and try to kill them all as fast as possible to get a neutral victory. I have nightkill powers.

...you can probably see where this is heading. I had my suspicions about L, because of the following:

Inactive for most of the day (although he says he always votes late...).

L also doesn't always vote late...Check previous games. Sometimes he opens with voting...Oh we know bout you L!!

=P
=/
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 21 2010 18:07 GMT
#660
Ok, I think I understand now. Lu Xun is not Opz, but sent Opz this message? And then, he possibly visited L last night and nullified my hit, Abenson's semi-hit, and Tricode's investigation? But, this is only true if he posts roleclaiming Lu Xun and saying "yup, that's what I did."

Maybe? That message confuses the hell out of me.
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